May 10, 2021 City Council

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GOOD EVENING, I'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

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THE TIME IS SEVEN P.M.

AS FAR AS ROLL CALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCILLOR CYR; HE SENDS HIS REGRETS.

I'D ASK IF THERE'S ANY DECLARATIONS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST THIS EVENING.

[3. DECLARATIONS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST]

NOT SEEING ANY.

4 ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES, FOUR POINT ONE APRIL 26TH, 2021 REGULAR.

[4. ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES]

ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS OR CONCERNS? NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

SIX INTRODUCTION CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORT, SIX POINT ONE REPORT FROM THE

[6. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS]

THE RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF REPORT DATED MAY 3RD, 2021 OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL, APPROVES THE SIGNING OF THE NEW NATURAL GAS AGENCY AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL AUTHORITY SERVICES, ACKNOWLEDGING THE NEW LANGUAGE CHANGES HIGHLIGHTED IN THE DOCUMENT.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, THANK YOU.

MR. HALLOCH, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE? YES, THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

BASICALLY, BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR EVERYONE AT HOME IS THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, SIGNED A NATURAL GAS AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL AUTHORITY SERVICES BACK IN 2006, WHICH ALLOWED LAS TO APPROVE ONE OR MORE PURCHASING STRATEGIES FOR NATURAL GAS AS DEVELOPED BY ECNG PURCHASING STRATEGIES. BASICALLY, THE ECNG ENERGY WAS AUTHORIZED TO NEGOTIATE, EXECUTE AND MANAGE ONE OR MORE GAS SUPPLY CONTRACTS, COLLECTION SERVICE AGREEMENTS AND OTHER DELIVERY AGREEMENTS WITH SUPPLIERS AND OTHER MEMBERS OF LAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROVED PURCHASING STRATEGY.

SO EVERYONE KNOWS LAS, A CORPORATION OF THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO (AMO), WHICH OFFERS COMPETITIVELY PRICED AND SUSTAINABLE BUSINESS SERVICES TO ONTARIO MUNICIPALITIES AND THE BROADER SECTOR.

THEY ALSO OFFER PROGRAMS AND SERVICES BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES OF AGGREGATION AND GROUP BUYING POWER WITH A MANDATE TO SAVE MONEY, MAKE MONEY AND SOLVE CAPACITY.

EDISON ENERGY HAS BEEN A LEADING INTERNATIONAL PROVIDER OF CUSTOMIZED ENERGY MANAGEMENT SERVICES FOR LARGE ENERGY AND USERS.

THE TEAM IS UNITED BY THE SHARED BELIEF THAT IN ORDER TO SOLVE COMPLEX ENERGY PROBLEMS, LEADING COMPANIES AND INSTITUTIONS MUST CONSIDER PROCUREMENT, SUSTAINABILITY, CAPITAL INVESTMENT, ENERGY EFFICIENCY PROJECTS AND RENEWABLE ENERGY AS ONE INTERCONNECTED PORTFOLIO. EDISON HAS BEEN THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THE PROGRAM SINCE 2007, AS HAS A MASTER SERVICE AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH EDISON ENERGY TO CONTINUE THEIR ROLE AS ADMINISTRATOR UNTIL 2024.

SO BASICALLY THE LAST PROGRAM HAS THREE FUNDAMENTAL OBJECTIVES WHEN IT COMES TO THE NATURAL GAS COST CERTAINTY.

THE LAST PROGRAM SETS PRICES FOR ONE YEAR PERIOD, NOVEMBER TO OCTOBER.

AS A RESULT, PROGRAM MEMBERS CAN ACCURATELY AND CONFIDENTLY BUDGET FOR NATURAL GAS EACH YEAR, WHICH WE DO IN ALL THE FACILITIES OR ANY OF THEM USING NATURAL GAS.

SECONDLY, ITS COMPETITIVE PRICING.

SO, LAS SEEKS TO PROVIDE A RELIABLE SUPPLY OF NATURAL GAS USING ONLY CREDITWORTHY COUNTER PARTIES AND SEEKS TO DO SO AT A PRICE THAT IS COMPETITIVE WITH MARKET GAS AND UTILITY GAS OPTIONS. BASICALLY, MAXIMIZING PURCHASE POWER IS THE THIRD ONE.

LAS LEVERAGES ECONOMIES OF SCALE AND SECURING NATURAL GAS FOR CREDITWORTHY COUNTERPARTIES.

THE PROGRAM HEDGES 80 TO 90 PERCENT OF REQUIRED GAS FOR EACH PROGRAM YEAR THROUGH AGGREGATED COMPETITIVE TENDERS.

THE REMAINDER GAS IS PROCURED AT TYPICALLY COMPETITIVE SPOT MARKET RATES.

SO BASICALLY, WITH THE EXPERTISE OF EDISON ENERGY STRATEGIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR FORWARD PURCHASING, LAS HAS ACHIEVED STABLE PRICING REDUCTION OF DISCONNECT FROM SPOT MARKET, YEAR OVER YEAR REDUCTIONS AND PRICE PRODUCTION AGAINST THE POTENTIAL MARKET VOLATILITY. A LOT OF IT'S WEATHER-DRIVEN THAT WAY.

SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE WITH THE NEW AGREEMENT IS THERE WAS A COUPLE OF LANGUAGE CHANGES THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THERE.

BASICALLY, THE MEMBER POINTS LAS AS IT'S EXCLUSIVE AGENT IN RESPECTABLE MATTERS SPECIFIED IN THIS AGREEMENT, INCLUDING THE SOLICITATION AND ANALYSIS OF OFFERS, NEGOTIATING AND EXECUTION OF NATURAL GAS AGREEMENTS AND THE MANAGEMENT AND ADMINISTRATION ASSOCIATED WITH

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I BELIEVE THE SECOND ONE WAS LAST WILL NOMINATE NATURAL GAS.

ON A TIMELY BASIS WITH THIRD PARTY SERVICE PROVIDERS, SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WITH MYSELF THAT I WAS INVESTIGATING A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WITH WAS WHAT IT COST THE ACTUAL CITY.

AND THERE IS SEVERAL MUNICIPALITIES.

I LOOKED AT S LIST AND THERE'S A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES THAT USE LAS FOR A LOT OF THESE AGREEMENTS, INCLUDING THE NATURAL GAS.

SO I WENT BY THE CUBIC METERS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT A LOT OF THE NATURAL GAS BILLS COME IN WITH. AND AS YOU CAN SEE STATED IN THE CHART THERE, THE TOTAL CONSUMPTIONS ARE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.

AND THEN THE COST THAT IT ACTUALLY COST US TO BE PART OF THE PROGRAM IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. SO THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND YOUR NATURAL GAS BILL OF WHATEVER POPS UP.

SO, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT AN AVERAGE OF FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS PER YEAR ANNUALLY TO HAVE LAS TO PROVIDE THEIR SERVICES TO THE CITY AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL.

SO EACH YEAR WHEN GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, NATURAL GAS USAGE IS REVIEWED USING A THREE YEAR AVERAGE AND IS CHANGED USING THE CPI INDEX.

NATURAL GAS IS USED AS A HEAT SOURCE AND SEVERAL OF THE CITY'S FACILITIES AND CONSUMPTION IS DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY WEATHER PATTERNS.

I BELIEVE BACK IN 2006, AND SOME OF YOU MIGHT HAVE MORE INFORMATION WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. BUT A LOT OF THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT SUPPLY DUE TO A LOT OF THE WEATHER PATTERNS THAT WERE HAPPENING, A LOT COLDER WINTERS AND WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

SO INSTEAD OF THE CITY HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT BUDGETING AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GET A REALLY COLD WINTER AND THEN PRICES SHOOT UP, WE STAY CONSISTENT AT WHAT THEY SET THE PRICE AT. SO BASICALLY, WITH COUNCIL APPROVING THE SIGNING OF THE NEW NATURAL GAS AGENCY AGREEMENT WITH LAS, IT IS PROVIDING THE CITY WITH COST STABILITY, PREDICTABLE RATES AND TRYING TO ACHIEVE YEAR OVER YEAR COST REDUCTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO NATURAL GAS.

WHEN DEALING WITH THE NATURAL GAS MARKET, THERE IS A LEVEL OF UNPREDICTABILITY AS MENTION, AND VOLATILITY WITH THE FUNDAMENTALS CONSTANTLY CHANGING, RESULTING IN EXTREME HIGHS AND EXTREME LOWS.

THE LAS PROGRAM GIVES MEMBERS BOTH STABILITY AND FLEXIBILITY AS WELL AS EDUCATION AND OPERATIONAL SUPPORT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT INFLUENCES THEIR GAS COSTS AND POTENTIAL RISKS. SO BASICALLY, WHEN WE SIGNED INTO THIS AGREEMENT, IT'S ALWAYS A ONE YEAR AGREEMENT. SAME WITH BACK IN 2006 AND THE PROGRAM JUST ROLLED OVER FROM THERE.

SO NOTHING SAID, THERE'S ALWAYS THE, AS READ IN THE CONTRACT THAT IF THE CITY OR MUNICIPALITIES WEREN'T HAPPY, THEY HAVE TO SEND THE LETTER IN SIX MONTHS AHEAD OF TIME AND CAN GET OUT OF THE CONTRACT AT ANY TIME AT THAT POINT.

SO BASICALLY, THIS ONE HERE IS JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE LANGUAGE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU, THROUGH YOU, MARCHISELLA.

MR. HALLOCH, HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING IN NATURAL GAS PER YEAR? SO WE'RE BEING BILLED THROUGH LAS INSTEAD OF THROUGH ENBRIDGE, ARE WE STILL BEING BILLED THROUGH ENBRIDGE? WE ARE BILLED THROUGH ENBRIDGE, BUT IT SHOWS ON OUR BILLS THAT THERE'S A SECTION IN THERE THAT IT'S BEING SUPPLIED BY A CERTAIN COMPANY THAT WAS THOUGHT UP AFTER THROUGH EDISON, AND SO THAT'S THE WAY THAT IS ON OUR BILLS.

OK, SO THEN MY QUESTION BECOMES, WHAT WOULD OUR NATURAL GAS COSTS BE IF WEREN'T USING LAS AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE'RE BEING BILLED? SO MY CONCERN IS WE'RE PAYING SOMEBODY FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR AND IN ORDER TO PAY THEM FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR, WE SHOULD BE RECOUPING SAVINGS.

SO I WANT TO KNOW UNION GAS BECAUSE IT'S AN ANNUAL PRICE REGARDLESS, OR IT'S NO LONGER UNION GAS, IT'S NOW ENBRIDGE.

SO WHAT WOULD THE ENBRIDGE RATE BE IN OUR COST THROUGH ENBRIDGE AS OPPOSED TO DOING THIS THROUGH LAS? ARE WE ACTUALLY SAVING MONEY OR ARE WE JUST PAYING THIS COMPANY SINCE 2006, ROUGHLY FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR? WELL, THIS IS, I'LL BE HONEST, THE MORE RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE AND LOOKED AT THIS OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS BECAUSE THE MARKET VALUES HAVE CHANGED TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WERE EXPECTING PRICES AND THE PRICES EVENED OUT.

IT ACTUALLY WASN'T A GOOD FACTOR TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE ACTUAL PROGRAM.

NOW, THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE SEEN OF IT THIS YEAR WHERE IT'S POPPED UP, WHERE I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE AGREEMENT AND STUFF.

BUT NOT ONLY WERE WE PAYING THE FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS ON TOP, WERE ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY ON THE ACTUAL COST COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS IN THE MARKET.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WERE PAYING, SAY, THE RATE IS FIFTEEN POINT FIVE CUBIC METERS PER CUBIC METER OF GAS, THERE WAS RATES THAT WERE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER FOR A FIVE YEAR PERIOD THAT WOULD COST THE CITY CLOSE TO I'M GOING TO SAY WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE

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BUT THAT WAS THERE'S BEEN YEARS TO YOUR PERIODS WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY SAVED MONEY AS WELL ON THAT. BUT IT'S ALL TO DO WITH THE WEATHER PATTERNS.

IF THEY STAY CONSISTENT, EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD.

SO I NEVER LOOKED FULLY INTO AT THE SAME POINT WHERE WE WOULD BE LIKE EVERY HOMEOWNER IF WE DECIDED NOT TO GO THROUGH THE ACTUAL PROGRAM.

SO WE'D BE TAKING OUR CHANCES THAT IF IT'S FIFTEEN POINT FIVE DOLLARS PER CUBIC METER, WE'RE GOING TO PAY THAT AND WE COULD BUDGET FOR IT PERFECTLY.

BUT THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IT COULD SHOOT UP AT ANY POINT PER MONTH.

SO THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.

IT'S A RISK WE TAKE WHEN WE SIGN INTO THESE AGREEMENTS.

BUT THAT WAS QUESTIONS I'VE ASKED WHEN I WAS TALKING TO BOTH THE GENTLEMAN FROM EDISON ENERGY, AND IT DIDN'T LOOK GOOD FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS FOR MUNICIPALITIES THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH THE PROGRAM. THIS ONE HERE, JUST SO WE COULD CLEAR UP [INAUDIBLE] WE ALWAYS HAVE THAT OBLIGATION AFTER THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING, THIS ONE HERE IS JUST TO RECOGNIZE THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE CHANGES STILL NEED TO GO THROUGH WITH THIS.

BUT IF WE EVER WANTED TO GET OUT OF THE ACTUAL PROGRAM, WE COULD SIT AND TALK ABOUT THAT IN THE FUTURE TO GO THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT MORE THOROUGHLY.

AND ALL WE'D HAVE TO DO IS BEFORE THAT OCTOBER DATE, WE HAVE TO GIVE SIX MONTHS NOTICE.

FOLLOW UP, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

YEAH, I'M GOING TO LET ANYBODY ELSE SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO PUT A MOTION TO DEFER THIS BACK TO STAFF AND BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH REPORT AS TO THOSE COSTS. I'M NOT WILLING TO GIVE SOMEBODY FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR IT TO COST US MORE MONEY TO BE A MEMBER OF THEIR BUYING TEAM.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.

IT DOESN'T SOUND VERY PROMISING.

I WAS HOPING MR. HALLOCH WOULD BE GIVING US SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT.

BUT I'LL LET EVERYBODY ELSE SPEAK BEFORE I DEFER THIS BACK TO STAFF TO BRING IT BACK WITH A FULL REPORT. AND I DO JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT, TOO.

SO EITHER WAY, WE'RE IN THIS AGREEMENT TILL THE END OF OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.

SO SIGNING THIS AGREEMENT IS JUST RECOGNIZING BASICALLY THE LANGUAGE CHANGES, WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND STILL SIGN THAT, ACKNOWLEDGING THE LANGUAGE CHANGES ARE GOING THROUGH. AND IF WE DECIDE AT A FUTURE DATE, I COULD COME BACK WITH A REPORT IF WE STILL WANT TO CARRY ON WITH THIS OR NOT.

BUT THIS HERE IS JUST TO RECOGNIZE THE LANGUAGE CHANGES, WHICH THEY DO NEED THIS BACK SOONER THAN LATER. SO IT'S NOT TYING US INTO ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

IT'S JUST RECOGNIZING THE LANGUAGE CHANGES.

COUNCILLOR MANN. YOU'RE MUTED COUNCILLOR MANN.

SORRY, I THINK I NEED TO REPLACE THAT BATTERY; I APOLOGIZE, YOUR WORSHIP.

THANK YOU. TYPICALLY, I WOULD SUPPORT A BUYING GROUP OR PURCHASING GROUP SIMILAR TO THIS THAT'S BEING PROVIDED BY ONE OF OUR ASSOCIATIONS IN THIS CASE, AMO.

I GUESS TONIGHT, IF IT WASN'T FOR THE LANGUAGE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING BROUGHT FORWARD, WE WOULDN'T TYPICALLY HAVE SEEN THIS AGREEMENT.

AND THAT NECESSARILY AND IT'S NOT A REFLECTION ON ON EXISTING STAFF, BUT THIS IS A 15 YEAR OLD CONTRACT THAT JUST CONTINUES TO RENEW ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, WHICH I HAVE SOME CONCERN IN THAT PROCESS.

AND I THINK SIMILAR TO WHERE COUNCILLOR PATRIE WAS GOING, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST A POSSIBILITY OF STAFF HAVING TO BRING SOMETHING LIKE THIS BACK AT LEAST ONCE PER TERM OF COUNCILLOR AT LEAST TO RENEW.

I WOULD BE INTERESTED AS WELL IN SEEING WHAT SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS, BUT HAVING, YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZING THAT GAS IS A COMMODITY AND IT IS GOING TO INCREASE AS WINTER NEARS, AS THE UTILIZATION IS GOING TO INCREASE.

IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO SEE INCREASES FOR SURE. NOW, IF THEY'RE AS SIGNIFICANT AS WHAT THE POTENTIAL NUMBER HAS BEEN ESTIMATED TONIGHT, YEAH, I'D BE INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP THIS RECOGNIZING JUST SOME LANGUAGE CHANGE.

BUT IF WE DO NEED TO GIVE SIX MONTHS NOTICE TO GET OUT OF SOMETHING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THAT BEFORE THE HEATING SEASON WOULD START AS WELL.

SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU, TO MR. HALLOCH. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY SIMILAR THINGS TO WHAT COUNCILLOR MANN AND WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE HAD STATED ALREADY, BUT I WAS GOING TO GIVE IT A LONGER TIME FRAME.

BUT WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS SIX MONTHS WE NEEDED TO GET OUT OF THE CONTRACT, I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THIS COME BACK AT BUDGET TIME WITH A GOOD COST ANALYSIS OF A GOOD HISTORY OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS FOR SURE.

WE HAD A PRETTY, PRETTY EASY WINTER THIS YEAR, ALTHOUGH THAT WAS AN ANOMALY.

THAT CERTAINLY WASN'T SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.

BUT I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE AND WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES MIGHT BE DOING IF THEY'RE FEELING THAT IT HASN'T BEEN THE COST SAVING MEASURE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. MAYBE THEY HAVE SOME OTHER IDEAS, TOO, THROUGH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES

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IF WE'RE UP IN THE FALL, PERHAPS OTHERS ARE AND MAYBE THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.

SO I WOULDN'T SUGGEST WE HOLD UP THIS BECAUSE IT'S JUST ABOUT THE LANGUAGE.

BUT I BUT I DO AGREE WE NEED TO DO AN IN-DEPTH ANALYSIS OF THIS PROGRAM.

AND JUST ADD TO THAT TOO, THE MORE RESEARCH I HAVE, BECAUSE LIKE I WAS MENTIONING, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN ONE, TOO, AND OF COURSE, IT'S ONLY COMING THROUGH BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE CHANGES. BUT THE MORE RESEARCH I DID, IN LOOKING AT CHARTS FROM FROM I BELIEVE IT WAS A SEVEN YEAR PERIOD.

YEAH. THERE WAS A LOSS OF, I BELIEVE, CLOSE TO TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR BEING PART OF THE PROGRAM. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO BRING UP AFTER THE FACT IS THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. AND IF THERE IS MORE INFORMATION OR IF I CAN GET SOMEBODY TO MAYBE COME FORWARD AND GIVE US GIVE US A REASON OF EXACTLY WHY, OTHER THAN THE THREE REASONS AND THE ANALYSIS WITH THE STABILITY AND STUFF, THEN WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION.

AND I CAN DEFINITELY PUT A REPORT TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE CLOSER TO BUDGET TIME, WHICH GIVES US MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME TO CANCEL OUT THE NEXT YEAR.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. THANK YOUR WORSHIP.

I'M INTERESTED IN THE FACT THAT LAS CLEARLY HAS MORE BUYING POWER THAN US.

THEY HAVE A CAPACITY TO HEDGE ON 80-90 PERCENT OF THE GAS PURCHASED IN THE PROGRAM, WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS THEY'RE BUYING FUTURES ON THE GAS.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T THINK WE DARE TO DO.

AND THE BALANCE OF THE GAS THAT COMES UP IS SPOT PURCHASE ON THE MARKET.

SO, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE VOLUME TO COMPETE ON SPOT PURCHASES.

SO WE MOST CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T DISMISS LAS.

THEY HAVE A CAPACITY WE COULD APPROACH ANYWHERE NEAR.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I AM CONCERNED WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVEN YEARS OF SUCCESSIVE LOSSES COMPARED TO.

IF WE PURCHASED DIRECT, SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE VERY LONG TO GET THE NUMBERS BEFORE COUNCIL, MR. HALLOCH, I SUSPECT THAT THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT SPIT THEM OUT WITHIN A COUPLE OF DAYS AND PERHAPS YOU COULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL NEXT MEETING AND GIVE US A BETTER ANALYSIS FINANCIALLY AND A RECOMMENDATION WHICH DIRECTION WE WANT TO GO TO COME OCTOBER IN THE INTERIM, AS LONG AS WE HAVE THAT--WELL, I GUESS WE DON'T EVEN NEED THE SIX MONTH CANCELING PERIOD, WE'RE ALREADY WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN THE CONTRACT EXPIRE COME OCTOBER.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, WHEN I DO THE READING, JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, IS THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO THE END OF THE CONTRACT FOR THAT YEAR.

SO WE WOULD HAVE IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BEFORE NEXT, I'M GOING TO GUESS, LET'S SAY, APRIL THAT WE'D ACTUALLY HAVE A LETTER THROUGH AND EVERYTHING STATING OUR CONCERNS AND THEN RECOMMENDING THAT OR THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE CANCELING.

THERE IS SOME MUNICIPALITIES, LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR REGION THAT ARE ALSO PART OF THE PROGRAM.

AND I'D LIKE TO CALL THEM AS WELL AND TALK TO THEM AHEAD OF TIME AND SEE WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE AS WELL.

LIKE I SAID, IT WAS A QUICK THING AND DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON IT AND TALKING TO, UNFORTUNATELY, WITH PEOPLE FROM LAS AND EDISON.

SO I DON'T HAVE ANOTHER OPINION ON THE OTHER ONES YET.

SO I'LL TALK TO THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND SIT DOWN WITH AMY AND.

AND DECIDE WHAT ACTUALLY, AND THEN WE'LL BRING FORWARD A REPORT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS.

SURE. WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE TIME FRAME FOR YOU TO COME BACK TO? TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I COULD BRING BACK A REPORT.

YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WOULDN'T TAKE LONG.

I'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF THE RESEARCH.

I'LL SIT DOWN AND FIND OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE NUMBERS.

AND I'LL ALSO BRING IT UP TO THE POINT WHERE THEIR COUNCIL WOULD WANT SOMEBODY FROM EDISON OR LAS ACTUALLY DOING A PRESENTATION AT THE COUNCIL MEETING TO MAYBE PULL UP SOME POINTS THAT I'M NOT REALLY EXPLAINING PROPERLY.

SO, BUT AS FAR AS I KNOW, DOING THE RESEARCH, IT WAS SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND ANYWAYS, JUST FROM WHAT I WAS DOING.

BUT THERE MIGHT BE A LOT MORE TO IT THAT I'M NOT TOUCHING BASE WITH RIGHT NOW.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.

I THINK COUNCILLOR TURNER TOUCHED ON MOST OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP.

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IS THAT CORRECT, MR. HALLOCH? CORRECT. RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE SPRING BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT.

AND IT WOULD BE OCTOBER OF 2022 BEFORE WE'D BE OUT OF THE CONTRACT.

OK, YEAH, I WOULD ALSO JUST, EVERYBODY KEEP IN MIND THE VOLATILITY OF THE NATURAL GAS MARKET RIGHT NOW.

UH, IT IS NOT GOING DOWN.

IT IS GOING UP AND IT'S GOING UP QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO I WOULDN'T BE TOO RASH IN GETTING OUT OF THIS CONTRACT, ALTHOUGH I'D SURE LIKE TO KNOW HOW WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN INTO A CONTRACT THAT COST US FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

ANYWAY, I WOULDN'T RUSH TOO QUICKLY.

I THINK IF WE IF WE DO, AS MR. HALLOCH SAYS, WE DO THE ANALYSIS.

AND THEN COME NEXT YEAR, WE NOTIFY LAS THAT WE'RE OUT OF THE CONTRACT AND GO FROM THERE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU. SO FIRST OFF, THEY'VE DATED THIS TO MARCH TWENTY FIFTH.

SO WE'RE QUITE A BIT BEHIND, WHICH WOULD GIVE US OUR 180 DAY WINDOW, I WOULDN'T BE WILLING TO SIGN THIS BECAUSE THAT HOLDS US TO THAT HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DAYS.

THEY'RE LOOKING AT AN OLD EXPIRED CONTRACT.

I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE ANYTHING UNTIL WE GET THE REPORT BACK.

IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO STAY WITH THESE PEOPLE, I WANT TO CANCEL NOW.

AND IF WE CAN FIND A WAY OUT, WE CAN GET A WAY OUT.

I DON'T WANT TO PAY AN EXTRA TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS PLUS FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS TO THESE PEOPLE THIS YEAR.

IF TRADITIONALLY WE'VE BEEN SPENDING AN EXTRA 10 OR MORE THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR.

SO I'M GOING TO PUT A DEFERRAL ON THE FLOOR THAT WE DEFER THIS BACK TO STAFF TO BRING IT BACK TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WITH MORE INFORMATION WITH THOSE NUMBERS.

AND WE DON'T APPROVE THIS UNTIL WE GET THAT INFORMATION BACK.

SO I WANT A DEFERRAL TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WITH MORE INFORMATION. IS THERE A SECONDER FOR THE DEFERRAL? SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WITH THE DEFERRAL? COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I WILL SUPPORT THE DEFERRAL BECAUSE IN THE AGREEMENT AS WELL, IF THIS WAS EXECUTED, THE INITIAL TERM BECOMES A TWO YEAR PERIOD.

NOT A ONE, UNDER FIVE POINT ONE OF THE AGREEMENT.

SO, AGAIN, THERE'S ANOTHER REASON TO MAKE SURE THAT ONCE WE ARE EXECUTING THIS, THAT WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

SO I'LL SUPPORT IT FOR THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? DEFERRAL IS ON THE TABLE AND I CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE, I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.

SIX POINT TWO REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS ARTICULATING SIDEWALK, TRACTOR AND SNOW BLOWER ATTACHMENT RFP OUTCOME. RECOMMENDATION IS THAT STAFF REPORT FLT-2021-02 DATED MARCH 4, 2021 OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS BE RECEIVED, THAT CONTRACT FLT-2021-02 FOR A SUPPLY ONE TRACKLESS MT7 ARTICULATING SIDEWALK, TRACTOR AND RIBBON BLOWER IN THE AMOUNT OF ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE DOLLARS PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES BE AWARDED TO WORK EQUIPMENT LIMITED.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

MR. HALLOCH, YOU'RE UP AGAIN.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SO BASICALLY THE CITY BUILDING LAKE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OWNS AND OPERATES FOUR OF THE ARTICULATING SIDEWALK MACHINES.

THE UNITS ARE UTILIZED FOR NUMEROUS CRITICAL MAINTENANCE TASKS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, FROM SIDEWALK SNOW CLEARING AND SANDING TO SWEEPING AND SUMMER PARKS MAINTENANCE AS WELL . NOW WE'VE ALSO ADDED A BRUSHING UNIT TO THEM, SO BRUSHING ANY OF THE BRUSHES ALONG A LOT OF THE TRAIL SYSTEMS. SO BASICALLY THE CURRENT SIDEWALK VEHICLE INVENTORY IS AS FOLLOWS.

WE HAVE THE TWO THOUSAND THREE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING.

WE HAVE TWO OF THE 2009 TRACKLESS UNITS AS WELL, AND A TWENTY SEVENTEEN UNIT.

THE TWO THOUSAND THREE TRACKLESS UNIT WILL REQUIRE EXTENSIVE FUEL AND EXHAUST SYSTEM REPAIR IN ORDER TO KEEP IT IN SERVICE.

THIS UNIT WILL BE POSTED ON EITHER [INAUDIBLE] DEALS OR WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THERE'S A FEW FEATURES ON THERE, EITHER SELLING IT LOCALLY OR LOOKING AT STILL ASKING ABOUT AN ACTUAL TRADE-IN WITH SOME OF THE [INAUDIBLE] WORK EQUIPMENT OUT THERE.

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THE RFP CALLED FOR THE ADDITION OF A NEW RIBBON TYPE BLOWER TO BE ADDED TO EACH SUBMISSION. THE RIBBON BLOWER IS A NEWER DESIGN AND PERFORMS EXCEPTIONALLY WELL IN HEAVY SNOW AND ICE PACK. THE ADDITION OF THIS TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT WILL ENHANCE THE SNOW MOVING CAPABILITY OF THE DEPARTMENT SIGNIFICANTLY AND AS SUCH WAS ADDED TO THE RFP SCOPE.

SO BASICALLY WHEN WE RECEIVED THE SUBMISSIONS, THERE WAS TWO OF THEM.

SORRY, I'VE JUST GOT TO GET A DRINK OF WATER.

WHAT WE DID, IS WE SAT DOWN WITH THE CREW ANYWHERE FROM THE MECHANICS, THE FLEET WORKING FOREMEN, MYSELF AND SOME OF THE OPERATORS OF THE EQUIPMENT, WE PUT IT THROUGH THE ACTUAL EVALUATION WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OPERATIONAL ASSESSMENT, PRICE, SAFETY FEATURES, COMPATIBILITY WITH THE EXISTING IMPLEMENTS AND SPARES.

AND THEN WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, AFTER THE EVALUATION, IT WAS A CLOSE SCORE BETWEEN THE TWO. BUT ULTIMATELY, WHEN WE'RE CARRYING THE WORK EQUIPMENT UNITS, ALL THE SPARE PARTS AND INTERCHANGEABLE PARTS BETWEEN IT, PLUS THE LOWER COST, WORK EQUIPMENT CAME OUT AS THE SUCCESSFUL BIDDER.

SO BASICALLY, THE TOTAL BUDGETED IN 2021 FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE TWENTY THREE TRACKLESS WAS ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED SEVENTY SIX DOLLARS.

WE GOT A BID FROM CUBEX AT ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY ONE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND THIRTY SEVEN FOR THE ACTUAL UNIT AND NINETEEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE FOR THE RIBBON BLOWER.

SO FOR A TOTAL OF ONE HUNDRED FIFTY ONE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED SEVENTY ONE.

SO THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE OVER BUDGET OF FOURTEEN THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED NINETY FIVE.

WORK EQUIPMENT LTD HAD A PRICE OF ONE HUNDRED TWENTY FOUR THOUSAND SIXTY FIVE, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL SIXTEEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED FOR THE RIBBON BLOWER FOR A TOTAL OF ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE.

SO A DIFFERENCE OVER BUDGET AMOUNT OF THREE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE.

IF APPROVED, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE SHORTFALL OF THREE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED EIGHTY NINE BE DRAWN FROM THE EXISTING FLEET RESERVE.

THE ARTICULATING SIDEWALK TRACTORS ARE AMONG THE HARDEST WORKING UNITS IN THE FLEET AND PROVIDE TREMENDOUS VALUE IN TERMS OF SERVICE DELIVERY TO THE MUNICIPALITY.

IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE RFP SUBMISSION PROVIDED BY WORK EQUIPMENT LTD.

BE ACCEPTED AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOUR WORSHIP.

NO ISSUE WITH THE TENDER.

MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE UPON DISPOSITION OF THE TWO THOUSAND THREE UNIT.

I BELIEVE WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH ONE OF THE PREVIOUS USED EQUIPMENT.

ONCE IT WAS SOLD, I BELIEVE SOMEONE LOCALLY HAD ONE AND THEY WERE DOING DRIVEWAY'S WITH IT. IF THERE COULD BE SOMETHING PUT INTO THE SALE THAT THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE IT CHANGED IN COLOR.

I DON'T WANT TO REALLY EXPEND A LOT OF RESOURCES ON THIS, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT A PERCEPTION THAT A PIECE OF MUNICIPAL EQUIPMENT IS DOING WINTER DRIVEWAYS OF OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE DEALT WITH THAT BACK IN 2011/12.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE IT'S VERY CLEAR I KNOW THE COLOR IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THE MUNICIPALITY, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S KIND OF GIVEN SOME CONSIDERATION AT THAT POINT. HOPEFULLY, THEY'LL BE TAKEN ON TRADE.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HALLOCH? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL VOTE .

PROPOSED ART CENTER ADDITIONAL COST FOR FEASIBILITY STUDY RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER DATED MAY 4TH, 2021 BE RECEIVED.

AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE ADDITION OF EIGHTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS TO PREVIOUSLY AWARDED FEASIBILITY STUDY BY BROOKE MCELROY TO AN UPSET LIMIT OF ONE HUNDRED EIGHT THOUSAND FORTY DOLLARS.

MOVER PLEASE. MOVED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU. MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THIS IS BASICALLY AN EXTENSION FROM THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

STAFF WERE GIVEN DIRECTION TO PROCEED AND LOOK AT GETTING THESE

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THE DESIGN TEAM OF BROOKE MCELROY DID RESPOND TO THAT REQUEST BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA WORK INVOLVED AND THE NEED FOR SPECIALIZED CONSULTANTS TO QUOTE ON THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL COST TO DO SO.

THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE SEGMENTS TO THAT EIGHTEEN FIVE.

THE FIRST IS A DESIGN CONSULTANT.

THAT'S THE NET ZERO SPECIALIST.

ANOTHER ONE IS A MECHANICAL SIDE.

AND THE THIRD ONE IS ADDITIONAL COSTS THROUGH BROOKE MCELROY.

THIS IS, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, VERY IN DEPTH TO GET TO THE NET ZERO.

SO WE CAN PUT THE APPLICATION THROUGH FOR THE GRANT, WHICH IS DUE ON THE 6TH OF JULY.

AND THE ADDITIONAL COST IS BECAUSE THIS REQUEST GOES BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WITH THEM DATED BACK IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR.

SO THAT'S THE EIGHTEEN FIVE THAT BRINGS US UP TO [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU. THIS IS FOR YOU TO MR. ANTUNES. I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS DISCUSSION THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS VERY THOROUGH AND THE POTENTIAL OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE COULD RECEIVE IS VERY SUBSTANTIAL.

TO RISK EIGHTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ISN'T THAT BAD.

MY QUESTION, THOUGH, IS SO THAT ADDITIONAL 18.5K, DOES THAT BECOME GRANT APPLICABLE IN OUR ORIGINAL GRANT APPLICATION? SO WE MAY NOT BE PAYING THAT WHOLE 18.5K AS WELL, UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

YEAH, MY STUTTERING AT THE BEGINNING WAS I WAS READING AND I SAW YOUR HAND GO UP.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET IN BETWEEN WHILE I WAS BEFORE I FINISHED OFF.

SO EXCUSE ME FOR NOT BEING AS CLEAR AS I NORMALLY AM.

INDEED, SO THAT IS TO PUT IT VERY BLUNTLY, WE'RE PUTTING UP EIGHTEEN FIVE FOR THE POTENTIAL OF GETTING UP TO FIFTY [INAUDIBLE] DOLLARS ON THE GREEN SIDE.

SO, YES, I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THAT GRANT AMOUNT THAT CAN BE APPLIED TO A GRANT [INAUDIBLE] WE ARE GOING TO PAY THE FULL 18.5K, IT IS ELIGIBLE FOR GRANT MONEY.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. YES, THANKS, YOUR WORSHIP, I SUPPORT THE REQUEST, THE POTENTIAL THAT THE GREEN AND INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY BUILDINGS PROGRAM THAT GRANT OFFERS US IS AMAZING.

I THINK IT'S 60 PERCENT FROM THE FIRST 10 MILLION AND 50 PERCENT OF ELIGIBLE COSTS, ABOVE 10 MILLION. SO, WE'RE VERY LUCKY TO SEE THIS GRANT PROGRAM COME IN ON TOP OF THE CULTURAL SPACES, THE GRANT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS AND THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR.

SO DEFINITELY IT'S WORTH THE INVESTMENT.

PLUS, WE ARE LOOKING AT A NET ZERO BUILDING.

WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS GREEN AS A COMMUNITY, AND THE COST RECOVERY OVER 50 YEARS WOULD BE AMAZING. THANK YOU.

MR. ANTUNES.

THANK YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

COUNCILLOR TURNER DID BRING UP A GOOD POINT.

A BIT OF INFORMATION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN SPEAKING WITH OUR CONSULTING TEAM WAS THAT EVEN IF WE DO PUT THE GRANT APPLICATION THROUGH AND HEAVEN FORBID WE DON'T GET APPROVED SOME OF THE INFORMATION, SOME OF THE DESIGN CUES PUT INTO THIS, ALTHOUGH, COUNCIL, IF IT BE THE WILL OF COUNCIL, NOT TO PROCEED WITH A FULL NET ZERO DESIGN, IF WE'RE NOT APPROVED FOR THE GRANT, PARTS OF THIS DESIGN WILL ALLOW THE ARCHITECTURE TEAM TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SAY, YOU MAY NOT WANT TO GO THE [INAUDIBLE] WITH A FULL NET ZERO DESIGN, BUT HERE ARE SOME IMPLEMENTS OR SOME PARTS THAT WE FOUND THROUGH OUR RESEARCH THEY MAY WANT TO IMPLEMENT THAT MAY RETURN A VERY LARGE SAVINGS ON UTILITIES AND LONG TERM OPERATIONAL COSTS, EVEN IF WE DON'T GET APPROVAL FOR THE GRANT.

THIS IS ALSO A VERY USEFUL EXERCISE TO FIND EFFICIENCIES IN THE BUILDING OR THE [INAUDIBLE]. GOOD STUFF.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MANN, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP OR ARE YOU JUST SCRATCHING YOUR HEAD? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PIECE?

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I'M A BIG FAN OF THIS CONCEPT.

IF WE CAN GET GRANTS FROM NET ZERO SUM, BE ABSOLUTELY AMAZING FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND TAKING THOSE STEPS FORWARD.

SO REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE SO FAR, MR. ANTUNES. AND WITH THAT, I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE.

THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.

SIX POINT FOUR MEMO FROM THE CITY CLERK LETTER OF INTENT TO PURCHASE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON STE. CAMILLUS AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH THE POTENTIAL DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY BY THE MUNICIPALITY MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239.2C OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER TO PUT THIS IN CLOSED SESSION? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

SECOND, MY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL VOTE.

THAT'S CARRIED TO CLOSE. THANK YOU.

SIX POINT FIVE MEMO FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER INCLUSIVE PARK AND TRAIL PROJECT RFP FOR FEASIBILITY STUDY, MASTER PLAN RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF TIME BE DEDICATED TO WORK ON MULTIUSE, ACCESSIBLE AND INCLUSIVE PARK PLAN PREPARED BY [INAUDIBLE] AND PRESENTED BY THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND THAT AN RFP BE CREATED BY STAFF FOR A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND MASTER PLAN.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? POINT OF ORDER.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

I BELIEVE THIS IS A MOTION TO RECONSIDER.

WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH THIS AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

WE GAVE DIRECTION AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING.

THIS IS COMING BACK WITHOUT THE INFORMATION REQUESTED BY COUNCIL.

IT'S COMING BACK WITH THE SAME ASK AS BEFORE WITHOUT ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS FROM THE NOVEMBER MEETING. SO THERE'S NO NEW AND PERTINENT INFORMATION WHICH IS REQUIRED EVEN TO DO A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION.

SO I THINK THAT THIS HAS TO BE STRICKEN FROM THE AGENDA.

WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH THIS. I'M NOT SURE COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN THE REPORT IT STATES THAT ON FEBRUARY 22ND COUNCIL PASSED RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL APPROVED IN PRINCIPLE OF MULTIUSE ACCESSIBILITY INCLUSIVE PARK PLAN THAT WAS PREPARED AND PRESENTED BY THE COMMITTEE.

IT WAS DETERMINED THAT COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE PROPOSAL IN PRINCIPLE TO ALLOW TO PROVIDE MORE REFINED DETAILS WITHOUT ANY DEDICATED STAFF INVOLVEMENT OR MUNICIPAL RESOURCES.

THAT WAS THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER.

SO THEY'RE NOW COMING BACK TO ASK FOR THOSE STAFF RESOURCES THAT WE SAID YOU CANNOT HAVE.

THEY'RE GOING CONTRARY TO WHAT COUNCIL DECIDED AT THAT MEETING.

THE DECISION AT THE MEETING WAS THAT THEY WOULD COME BACK AND GIVE US MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR.

AND THAT'S NOT IN THE EXACT SAME PROPOSAL THAT CAME NOVEMBER 20TH.

THERE'S NO CHANGES TO THE PROPOSAL.

MS. ROY, MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE CLARITY BECAUSE--WELL, IT'S A POINT OF ORDER, YOUR WORSHIP.

YEAH. I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORDING FROM FEBRUARY 22ND, BUT IT IS INCLUDED IN HERE THAT IT WAS APPROVED IN PRINCIPLE AND WE DID OUR STAFF TO MEET WITH MS. [INAUDIBLE] AND HER GROUP TO BRING BACK MORE INFORMATION AND.

I'M HOPING MISS ROY HAS MORE INFORMATION AND RATIONALE BEHIND THIS, BUT WE NEED TO.

LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATION HERE IN ORDER TO GET AN RFP GOING AND HAVE STAFF INVOLVED.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT'S EVEN WORDED IN THE MEMO THAT THEY WERE DIRECTED TO PROVIDE MORE REFINED DETAILS WITHOUT ANY DEDICATED STAFF INVOLVEMENT OR MUNICIPAL RESOURCES, THAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL AT THAT MEETING AND NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK DIFFERENT, ASKING FOR THOSE STAFF INVOLVEMENT AND RESOURCES.

SO THEY HAVEN'T FULFILLED WHAT WE'VE SAID.

THEREFORE, YOU'RE CHANGING WHAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION. THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR.

I THINK YOU MAY BE CORRECT IN THAT ASPECT THAT MORE INFORMATION WAS REQUESTED.

I'M GOING TO ASK MISS ROY, IS THERE MORE INFORMATION THAT WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THIS OTHERWISE, WE CAN'T PROCEED AS FAR AS THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION.

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AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AN OUTSIDE GROUP TO COME IN AND HELP THEM WITH THAT MASTER PLAN, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO DO IT.

SO THAT IS WHY THEY WERE ASKING FOR DEDICATED STAFF TIME AND AN RFP TO BE PUT OUT.

SO, MR. ROY, MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED ON A DIFFERENT LEVEL AT THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS PER NEXT STEPS AND RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE AS IT STANDS, COUNCIL HAS STATED THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND STAFF TIME WITHOUT MORE DETAILS.

SO THIS CAN ALL PROCEED AT COUNCIL AS FAR AS OUR PROCEDURAL BYLAW.

OK, THANK YOU.

SIX POINT SIX REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TREASURY ACTING CAO, HUMAN RESOURCE UPDATE, AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH LABOR RELATIONS [INAUDIBLE] NEGOTIATIONS AND PERSONAL MATTERS ABOUT IDENTIFIABLE INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239.2D [INAUDIBLE] MUNICIPAL ACT.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER TO PUT THIS IN CLOSED SESSION, PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.

THAT'S CARRIED.

TO CLOSED SESSION.

SEVEN PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS, SEVEN POINT ONE REFERRAL FROM THE AD HOC

[7. PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS]

CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU AND MR. ANTUNES, I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU.

YOU DID SUCH A GREAT JOB AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL GOING THROUGH THIS INFORMATION.

SO I'D ASK FOR THAT AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THROUGH YOU.

I'LL GIVE YOU THE MORE READER'S DIGEST VERSION OF IT THAN MY LONG WINDED VERSION AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL, BUT YES, THERE IS A PROGRAM IN PLACE THROUGH THE NONOHFC THAT WILL ALLOW FOR FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR GRANT PROGRAM ON REFURBISHED OR REPAIRS ON EXISTING FACILITIES, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, IF IT BE THE WILL OF COUNCIL TO HAVE STAFF WORK WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] CURLING CLUB TO MAKE THE APPLICATION FOR THE PROGRAM, WHICH THEN IN TURN IS FOLLOWING BY THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AD HOC COMMUNITY HUB COMMITTEE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO THEN REMOVE THE CURLING CLUB FROM THE DESIGN OF THE HUB AND USE THE [INAUDIBLE] FUNDS TO UPGRADE THE AND MAKE REQUIRED CHANGES TO THE FACILITY, BOTH MECHANICALLY AND STRUCTURALLY TO THE [INAUDIBLE] CURLING CLUB SO THEY CAN BE [INAUDIBLE] ROCKS THIS WINTER, ALL GOING WELL AND A RELATIVELY LOW COST TO [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES, I DO BELIEVE THERE WAS A DETAILED STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT THAT BROUGHT THIS ABOUT.

JUST SO COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THOSE DETAILS.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOUR WORSHIP.

CLEARLY, SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WITH THE HUB PROJECT MOVING FORWARD.

MY QUESTIONS ARE PERTAINING TO THE APPROXIMATE COST EXPENDITURES REQUIRED FOR THE WORK TO

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SO ESSENTIALLY THE REPORT SAYS SIX HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS IS AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT'S REQUIRED, OF WHICH SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT FUNDING IS AVAILABLE.

I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHO THEN WOULD COVER THE ADDITIONAL ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS OUTSTANDING FOR THAT WORK? IS THAT A CURLING CLUB INITIATIVE OR JUST, WE'VE SPENT SOME MONEY ON FEASIBILITY AND ASSESSMENTS ON THAT BUILDING AND IT'S NOT OUR ASSET.

I JUST NEED TO KNOW MOVING FORWARD WHERE THAT ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTY EIGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS COMES FROM FOR THAT REQUEST.

MR. ANTUNES? THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR MANN.

IF IT BE THE WILL OF COUNCIL, IT COULD BE A PROGRAM PUT THROUGH THE CITY OR IF THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IS THAT IF THE DONATION IS AS FAR AS STAFF TIME TO HELP WITH THE GRANT APPLICATION AND THE BALANCE IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CURLING CLUB, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF WILL NEED TO TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IN ORDER TO PROCEED.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, IF I'M NOT WRONG, MR. ANTUNES, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY REQUIRED THIS IS OVER A PERIOD OF FIVE, SIX YEARS, IS IT NOT? THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

THE INITIAL COST THAT WOULD GET US IN THE RANGE, THE WAY THE GRANT WORKS, THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, COUNCILLOR MANN AS WELL, IS IT'S SEVENTY FIVE [INAUDIBLE] DOLLARS UP TO AN AMOUNT OF FIVE HUNDRED.

SO THE TO LEVERAGE IT UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF SIX, TWENTY FIVE TO SIX FIFTY TO GET THE SEVENTY FIVE [INAUDIBLE] DOLLARS TO EQUAL TO FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND, WHICH IS WHAT THE MAXIMUM THAT THE NONOHFC WILL PITCH IN, WHICH TIES INTO WHAT COUNCILLOR TURNER IS SAYING.

THOSE COSTS ARE THE FIRST TWO YEARS.

THE ADDITIONAL COST THAT WOULD BE APPLICABLE TO THE CURLING CLUB ARE NOT FOR ANOTHER FIVE, SIX, SEVEN YEARS.

SO THE IMMEDIATE COST THAT SHOULD LAST THEM FIVE OR SIX YEARS IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE SIX SEVENTY FIVE TO SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. BUT TO MAX OUT THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY, WE WOULD BE IN THE SIX FIFTY, SIX SEVENTY FIVE RANGE.

COUNCILLOR MANN, YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP.

I'M SORRY, THERE. THANK YOUR WORSHIP.

NO, THAT'S FINE. OK, SO BASED ON MR. ANTUNES' RESPONSE, I GUESS THE RESOLUTION IS SILENT ON WHO'S PAYING THE BALANCE.

I NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF? IS THIS SOMETHING NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO START SUPPORTING THIS OTHERS STRUCTURE IN TOWN, WHEN WE'VE REPAIRED OUR OWN FACILITIES, EXAMPLE, WE TAKE THAT ON BECAUSE THEY'RE OUR FACILITIES. I JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR ON WHERE THIS IS GOING, BECAUSE I'M QUITE UNCLEAR STILL OF WHAT I'M BEING ASKED TO DO, BECAUSE REALLY THE RESOLUTION SEEMS VERY REASONABLE, WHERE WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE IT FROM THE HUB, WE'RE GOING TO ASSIST IN GETTING IT.

I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH STAFF TIME PROVIDING ASSISTANCE IN ORDER TO OBTAIN FUNDING.

AND WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE IT FROM OUR BUSINESS CASE.

BUT I JUST THERE'S A BIG VOID I'M STILL SEEING ON THE FUNDS COMPONENT OF THE BALANCE OR ANY SHARE THEREOF.

I JUST NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR ON THAT, PLEASE.

IS THAT SOMETHING, MR. ANTUNES, THAT WOULD THEN COME BACK IN THE FUTURE WITH A STAFF REPORT, IF ASSISTANCE IS REQUIRED IN ANY SHAPE OR FASHION, WE'RE SOMETHING WE'RE NOT SURE ABOUT AT THE MOMENT? THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP. STAFF CAN CERTAINLY [INAUDIBLE] MORE WORK.

BUT I THINK THE POTENTIAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE CURLING CLUB IS THAT THEY WOULD BE LOOKING TO THE CITY FOR SOME ASSISTANCE WITH THAT, THOSE FUNDS TO LEVERAGE THE GRANT.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. REALLY DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS IS ALL IN ONE REPORT. THERE'S A TON TO THIS.

SO, VIRTUALLY, THE REPORT IS SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD A HUB.

WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A POOL AND AN ARENA.

WE'RE TAKING EVERYBODY ELSE OUT.

BUT WE WANT TO ASSIST THE CURLING CLUB.

WITH THEIR FUNDING NOW I SAT IN ON THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE MEETING.

THE CURLING CLUB, WHEN THEY WERE INFORMED ABOUT THE NONOHFC GRANT MONEY TO FACILITATE

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SO THIS IS TWO FOLD COMING IN ON HERE WITH THAT ASPECT ON THE CURLING CLUB ALONE.

SO MY PREDICAMENT IS, THE CURLING CLUB CAN APPLY TO NONOHFC ON THEIR OWN, THEY'RE ENTITLED TO. WE CAN ASSIST THEM, STAFF CAN ASSIST THEM, AND THEN IF THERE IS GRANT ASSISTANCE FROM THE MUNICIPALITY, THEY COULD COME BACK AT A DIFFERENT MEETING FOR ASSISTANCE FROM THE MUNICIPALITY IF REQUIRED.

BUT THEY DON'T NEED US TO.

AND I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT WE APPLY FOR THAT GRANT FOR THE CURLING CLUB.

WE DON'T OWN THE FACILITY. IT'S NOT OURS.

BUT THEY'RE ENTITLED TO THAT SAME NOHFC GRANT.

AND THEN THAT SAME GRANT POOL OF MONEY, OUR CURRENT MUNICIPALITY CAN APPLY SEPARATELY AS A MUNICIPALITY FOR UPKEEP TO EITHER OUR ARENA, OUR POOL OR BOTH, THESE ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FUNDS THAN FUNDS TO BUILD A NEW HUB.

SO I THINK I'M NOT GOING TO APPROVE THIS.

AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME BACK WITH DIFFERENT RESOLUTIONS TO SEPARATE THIS AND TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY, I WOULD BE FULLY IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT BECAUSE I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF HELPING THE CURLING CLUB GET WHATEVER MONEY THEY CAN GET FROM NOHFC, FROM THE PROVINCE.

IF WE CAN HELP THEM GET IT, LET'S HELP THEM GET IT, BUT, YOU WANT TO BUILD A HUB, AND THESE TWO REPORTS THAT ARE COMING ALONG HERE IS THAT WE'RE TAKING EVERYTHING OUT OF THE HUB AND WE'RE ONLY GOING TO END UP WITH A POOL AND AN ARENA THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.

SO I'M TOTALLY AMISS AS TO WHY A HUB COMMITTEE THAT WANTS TO BUILD A COMPLETE HUB AND MAKE A FULL RECREATION CENTER WANTS TO CUT EVERYTHING BACK AND YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE AT 30 MILLION DOLLARS, AS OPPOSED TO BUILDING A 10 OR 12 MILLION DOLLAR POOL OR A 10 OR 12 MILLION DOLLAR ARENA STRUCTURES ON THE ROAD, LIKE YOU'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY TO DO THIS. SO, I DON'T KNOW WHO CAN EXPLAIN TO ME.

THE RIGHT WAY THAT THIS SHOULD BE DONE, BUT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS VERY LONG RECOMMENDATION. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I BELIEVE THAT IN THE IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH OF THE RECOMMENDATION HERE, IT READS THAT THE STAFF FROM THE CURLING CLUB RETURN TO COUNCIL AS SOON AS PRACTICAL WITH DETAILS SURROUNDING THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, THE COST IMPACT TO THE MUNICIPALITY AND THE CLUB FOR THE CURLING CLUBS BUILDING REPAIRS AND FUNDS NEEDED TO LEVERAGE THE GRANT.

SO IT DOES PROPOSE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL AND ANSWERING COUNCILLOR MANN'S CONCERN.

WHAT DO THEY WANT AND WILL IT COST US MONEY? HOW MUCH? SO THAT'S PROPOSED AS A FUTURE ACTION ON THE PART OF THE CURLING CLUB.

AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST ASKING STAFF TO ASSIST THE CURLING CLUB WITH SECURING GOVERNMENT FUNDING FOR THE CAPITAL RENOVATIONS AND REPAIRS.

THAT'S CERTAINLY CLEAR THE REST OF THE FOCUS.

AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE, IT IS A BIG CHANGE TO THE HUB CONCEPT, IT'S NOW POOL AND AN ARENA THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS IN OUR DESIGN THAT LATER ON WE CAN'T ADD TO IT.

I'M SURE THAT SOME MODULARITY CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THE DESIGN.

SO IT'S NOT A WRITE OFF FOR THE WHOLE CONCEPT.

IT IS SORT OF ADDRESSING PRACTICALITY.

WE CAN'T SEE GOVERNMENT GRANTS AVAILABLE TO US IN THE AMOUNTS THAT WE NEED ANY IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT ALLOW US TO DEAL IN THE THIRTY SIX TO FORTY MILLION DOLLAR MARK.

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WE'RE DOWN TO THE TWENTY NINE MILLION DOLLAR MARK AND WE'RE COMING BACK COUNCIL HERE SAYING THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS WHAT THE COSTS STILL ARE.

COUNCIL, YOU HAVE A LOOK AT IT, SEE IF YOU CAN TWIST AND WRANGLE IT ANY BETTER, BUT THERE'S BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF THOUGHT GONE INTO THIS AND I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD GIVE IT SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION.

EVEN THOUGH THE MOTION HERE IS FAIRLY LONG, IT DOES ADDRESS PRETTY MUCH ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.

THANK YOU.

MR. ANTUNES, YOU HAD A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION.

YES, SIR YOUR WORSHIP.

THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, AND TO COUNCILLOR TURNER'S POINT AND TO ANSWER COUNCILLOR MANN CONCERNS, ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS MOTION IS DOING IS WORKING WITH THE CURLING CLUB TO PUT TOGETHER A REPORT THAT WILL INDEED COME BACK TO COUNCIL.

AND IF IN THAT REPORT, ONCE THE MATH IS DONE AND FOR EQUIPMENT REQUIRED, CHILLER AND CONDENSERS AND SO ON FOR THE FACILITY, IF THE REPORT COMES BACK AND SAYS BE IT THE WILL OF COUNCIL, THAT THE CURLING CLUB REPAIRS WILL COST X NUMBER OF DOLLARS, THE GRANT CAN BE LEVERAGED TO THIS AMOUNT.

THE CURLING CLUB IS WILLING OR ABLE TO PROVIDE THIS AMOUNT, AND THE REQUEST IS TO COUNCIL, SHALL IT BE THE WILL OF COUNCIL TO PROVIDE A GRANT OR FUNDING FOR THE BALANCE THEREOF? THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IN THIS.

SO TO ANSWER COUNCILLOR MANN'S REQUEST OR CONCERN THAT THE NEXT STEP IN THIS IS ONCE THE FULL BREAKDOWN HAS BEEN DONE, BUT THEN IT WILL BE A REPORT THAT WILL COME TO COUNCIL FROM THE CURLING CLUB AND THROUGH THIS EXERCISE TO SAY THAT CURLING CLUB HAS A SHORTFALL OF X NUMBER OF DOLLARS BE IT THE WILL OF COUNCIL TO ADDRESS THAT.

AND ITEM SEVEN POINT TWO REFERS TO SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE HUB AS FAR AS THE GYM SPACE AND ELIMINATING THAT FROM THE HUB.

SO, TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE'S POINT AS WELL, THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED THROUGH ANOTHER FACILITY IN OUR ONGOING PROJECT AS WELL.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. A COUPLE OF POINTS, I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, THE CITY OF ELLIOTT LAKE IS NOT GOING TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT.

WE WILL HELP THE CURLING CLUB APPLY FOR THE GRANT, AND AS MR. ANTUNES AND COUNCILLOR TURNER HAVE EXPLAINED, THIS WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION. I WAN TO ADDRESS COUNCILLOR PATRIE'S POINT BECAUSE IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS I HAVE BEEN A HUGE SUPPORTER OF THIS HUB FROM DAY ONE, I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL FOR THE CITY.

HOWEVER, I'VE ALSO BECOME EXTREMELY DISILLUSIONED.

WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THREE DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTS ABOUT GETTING FUNDING FOR THIS HUB.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT; IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

IN MY ESTIMATION, THERE'S NOT A GOVERNMENT IN ONTARIO NOW OR IN THE FUTURE THAT IS GOING TO GIVE US THE KIND OF MONEY THAT WE NEED TO BUILD A HUB.

IF I WAS GOING TO START OVER RIGHT NOW.

I KNOW THAT THERE IS GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE FOR RECONDITIONING AND MODERNIZING THE EXISTING PLANTS, WE CAN DO THAT.

AND MR. ANTUNES CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I BELIEVE THOSE ARE SEVENTY FIVE [INAUDIBLE] DOLLARS AS WELL, OR EVEN EIGHTY [INAUDIBLE] DOLLARS.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE. SO WE COULD SPEND MONEY ON THE ARENA AND MAKE IT NEW AND MODERN AND WONDERFUL AND WE COULD DO THE SAME THING WITH THE POOL AND WE COULD DO THE SAME THING WITH COLLINS HALL AND WE COULD HELP OUT THE CURLING CLUB ALL FOR A HECK OF A LOT LESS MONEY THAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND IF WE PUT THE CLUB TOGETHER.

I JUST DON'T SEE IT. I MEAN, THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS WHETHER THEY'RE LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE OR NDP, THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO IS NOT GOING TO GIVE US THE MONEY WE NEED TO PUT THE KIND OF BUILDING THAT WE NEED IN PLACE AND TO BUILD A HUB.

I THINK THE WAY WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW IS A NICE INTERIM STEP.

BUT I THINK WHEN WE APPLY FOR THE GRANTS FOR THIS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THEM EITHER.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT FOR TWENTY NINE MILLION DOLLARS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT FOR 40 MILLION DOLLARS.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT FOR ANYTHING.

WE'RE A SMALL TOWN IN NORTHERN ONTARIO THE VOTES THE WRONG WAY.

SIMPLE AS THAT. WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO GET THE GRANTS, AND AS LONG AS THAT'S HAPPENING,

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THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB.

BUT MY OWN FEELING IS EVEN THIS ONE WON'T FLY AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO FIND WAYS TO REFURBISH THE EXISTING FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE. IT'S SADDENING, BUT IT'S TRUE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PEARCE, I'VE INCLUDED MYSELF ON THE SPEAKER LIST BEFORE I GET BACK TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

BEING THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, OH, I'M SORRY, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE FIRST AND THEN I'LL CARRY ON COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOU. MAYBE MY HAND IN FRONT OF MY WHITE SHIRT ISN'T BEING HELPFUL TONIGHT.

WHAT COUNCILLOR PIERCE JUST SAID IS BASICALLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

I THINK THAT THIS LIST HERE IS A GOOD REALITY CHECK FOR EVERYONE.

NOBODY WANTED TO PIECEMEAL A SPORTS HUB.

EVERYONE WANTED TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WE FELT THE COMMUNITY DESERVED AND NEEDED AND WOULD LAST FOR THE NEXT 50 TO 60 YEARS AND SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.

BUT I AGREE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

MY QUESTION IS, IF WE DON'T SUPPORT THE CURLING CLUB, AND HELP THEM TO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO TO STAY FUNCTIONAL, DOES THAT MEAN WE WON'T HAVE A CURLING CLUB? LIKE WE HAVE TO DECIDE AS A COMMUNITY, DO WE STILL WANT TO BE A WHOLE COMMUNITY AND WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? I DON'T WANT US TO OMIT THE CURLING CLUB.

I DON'T WANT US TO OMIT ANYTHING.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED TO HAVE A POOL AND AN ARENA.

WE NEED TO HAVE A GYM.

WE NEED TO HAVE A CURLING CLUB.

AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY EITHER, BUT WE MIGHT GET MONEY FOR ONE.

WE MAY HAVE TO START WITH THE FACILITY THAT NEEDS THE MOST WORK AND MOST IMMEDIATELY BUILD THAT AND BUILD ANOTHER.

AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVENTUALLY WE WON'T HAVE A HUB ALL TOGETHER IN ONE SPOT.

IT JUST MEANS THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT.

AND I'M OK WITH THE STAFF GOING AHEAD AND HELPING THE CURLING CLUB COME UP WITH A PLAN AND LOOK AT FUNDING SOURCES.

BUT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MONEY AND WE CAN'T ASK THEM TO GO AHEAD AND DO THIS WORK IF WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF SUPPORTING THEM.

I DON'T WANT TO LEAD ANYBODY OFF IN THAT DIRECTION EITHER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK, BECAUSE I THINK AT THE MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS OR SOMETHING AROUND THAT FIGURE, ONE HUNDRED SEVENTY FIVE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT, OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A CURLING CLUB. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A CURLING CLUB.

I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AS MUCH AS WE HAVE.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE AS TO LOSE ANY MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY LOST.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD AN ARTS AND CULTURE CENTER.

WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A SPORTS HUB, AND WE'RE NOT GETTING WHAT WE NEED.

AND, YOU KNOW, BESIDES THE GOVERNMENT PROBLEMS, COVID HIT AND MONIES HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED ANYWHERE, EVERYWHERE ELSE.

AND WE STILL HAVEN'T MOVED TO SOUTHERN ONTARIO.

WE'RE STILL NORTH OF [INAUDIBLE] AND EXCLUDED.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO RESPONSIBLY AND WITH KEEPING OUR NOSE TO THE GRIND AND HAVING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER WE CAN.

AND IF WE HAVE TO PARE THIS BACK, WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT THIS WAY.

BUT WE HAVE TO.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY OTHER WAY THAT WE CAN DO THIS.

WE HAVE TO NOT BUILD AN ARENA AND A POOL AT THE SAME TIME.

WE MAY HAVE TO DECIDE BETWEEN THE TWO, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS IT THE MOST.

AND MAYBE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT REFURBISHING.

WE'VE ALREADY PUT A MILLION DOLLARS INTO THE ARENA.

HOW MUCH MORE WOULD IT BE TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD IT UP, PUT BETTER SEATING IN IT, TO PUT BETTER LIGHTING IN IT TO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK THAT THIS ISN'T THE FAULT OF ANYBODY THAT'S COMING FORWARD.

I THINK THIS IS JUST A REALLY GOOD REALITY CHECK FOR US AND EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. BUT CONTINUE ON, BEING THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE, I DO WANT TO SEE THIS PROJECT MOVE FORWARD.

DEFINITELY BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS WITH THIS, INCLUDING SPENDING A WHOLE SUMMER KNOCKING ON DOORS, ASKING FOR LETTERS OF SUPPORT WHEN THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT WANTED AS MANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT AS POSSIBLE.

I REMEMBER KATHLEEN NGUYEN SAYING WHEN SHE LOOKED AT IT, SHE'D NEVER SEEN THAT MANY LETTERS OF SUPPORT. AND WERE COMING FROM A SMALL NORTHERN COMMUNITY.

SO IT WAS DEFINITELY A GOOD THING.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANYBODY OUT.

REALITY IS, WHEN WE START LOOKING AROUND AT WHO'S GETTING MONEY RIGHT NOW, THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE SCOPE OF 16 TO 30 MILLION DOLLARS.

SO WE NEED TO PRIORITIZE THE ENGINEERING REPORTS THAT HAVE COME BACK.

THE MOST RECENT ONES HAVE MADE IT VERY, VERY CLEAR WHAT'S A PRIORITY FOR US.

THE CURLING CLUB NEEDS HELP TO GET THEM THROUGH THE NEXT FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS AND THEN AT

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RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THAT THE WORST OFF FACILITIES WE HAVE ARE DEFINITELY THE POOL AND THE ARENA, AND THOSE ARE THE BIGGEST NEEDS FOR THE MUNICIPALITY TO BE REPLACED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS WHY STAFF BROUGHT THIS PROPOSAL.

THAT MEETS THE FUNDING THAT'S CURRENT RIGHT NOW.

THAT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY.

BUT COUNCILLOR PEARCE, IT'S A TOTAL BUMMER EVERYTHING YOU SAID, COUNCILLOR PEARCE, BUT TOTALLY CORRECT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN DRAGGED ALONG FROM A FEW DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTS NOW AND HAD OUR HOPES UP.

WE'VE GOTTEN LIP SERVICE, PROMISES AND IT'S HARD TO KNOW WHO TO TRUST.

AND NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH A PANDEMIC THAT'S SUCKING MONEY LEFT, RIGHT AND CENTER ALONG WITH DAMAGING LIVES AND FAMILIES.

BUT WE NEED TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING IN ONE WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

AND THIS IS THE BEST THAT THE COMMITTEE AND STAFF PUTTING OUR HEADS TOGETHER COULD COME UP WITH AS FAR AS PRIORITIZING AND TRYING TO KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING SO WE CAN GET BACK IN FRONT OF SENIOR GOVERNMENT AND SEE IF WE CAN START.

I NEVER WANTED A PHASED IN PROJECT.

I AGREE 100 PERCENT WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

EVERYTHING NEEDED TO BE UNDER ONE ROOF AND IT MAKES MORE SENSE FINANCIALLY TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T REALIZE THAT THERE'S ANY MUNICIPALITIES NORTH PARRY SOUND. WHEN OUR PREMIER WAS DISCUSSING NORTHERN ONTARIO AND HIS VISITS, IT WAS ALL ABOUT PARRY SOUND. HERE'S SOMETHING NORTH OF PARRY SOUND.

IT'S FRUSTRATING, BUT IT'S REALITY.

HOPEFULLY WITH THIS REDUCTION IN COSTS, WE CAN SEE SOMETHING START TO MOVE FORWARD AND START TO GET MOMENTUM BACK AND START TO PHASE IN OVER THE YEARS AS THE NEEDS COME, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE POOL IS HURTING THE MOST.

THE ARENA WE PUT A STOP GAP ON THAT MIGHT LAST US THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BUT IT MIGHT COME DOWN TO RETROFITTING EACH BUILDING.

WE DON'T KNOW. BUT THIS IS OUR NEXT STEP IN ASK.

BACK TO YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT MATTER THAT I BELIEVE, I DIDN'T CALL YOU ON A RULE OF ORDER.

ACCORDING TO OUR PROCEDURAL BYLAW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SPEAK IN THE MIDDLE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DEBATE THAT WITH YOU NOW, I DIDN'T STOP YOU.

I'M GOING TO PUT A MOTION TO AMEND THAT.

THE RECOMMENDATION AS WRITTEN, AND I WANT IT TO READ THAT YOU GO DOWN AND IT FINISHES AFTER THE SECOND PARAGRAPH WHERE THAT STAFF FROM THE CURLING CLUB RETURN TO COUNCIL AS SOON AS PRACTICAL WITH THE DETAILS SURROUNDING THE HUNTING OPPORTUNITIES AND THE COST IMPACT TO THE MUNICIPALITY AND THE CLUB FOR THE CURLING CLUB, BUILDING REPAIRS AND FUNDS NEEDED TO LEVERAGE THE GRANTS.

AND I WANT TO REMOVE THE BALANCE OF THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS REPORT.

I'LL SEE IF I HAVE A SECONDER BEFORE I CARRY ON.

COUNCILLOR MANN IS SECONDING, BUT I GOT TO WARN YOU, CONTINUING ON IS IS REQUIRED AS FAR AS RESENDING OR RECONSIDERATION OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION PASSED IN JUNE OF TWENTY SEVENTEEN. WELL, IF YOU'D LIKE, WE CAN DO A MOTION TO DIVIDE.

I DON'T CARE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO REMOVE I DON'T WANT THE NEXT SENTENCE, NOR DO I WANT THE FACT THAT THE SO I DON'T WANT THE SEVEN MILLION FOR THE CURLING CLUB REMOVED FROM THE HUB AND I DON'T WANT THE FIVE POINT SIX REMOVED FROM THE HUB.

I'M NOT PART OF THE HUB COMMITTEE AND I DON'T GET TO VOTE AT ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS, I'M LUCKY IF I GET TO HAVE A SAY.

SO, MY PREDICAMENT IS COUNCILLOR TURNER AND COUNCILLOR PEARCE HAVE BOTH ALREADY ANSWERED THE REASON WHY NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NUMBER THREE, THAT WE SPEND ANOTHER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO DO A NEW RFP TAKING THESE ITEMS OUT.

SO IT'S BACK TO MY ORIGINAL COMMENTS.

YES, I THINK THAT THE CURLING CLUB NEEDS TO APPLY TO NOHFC AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ASSIST THEM AND GETTING THAT APPLICATION FORWARD.

AND THEN WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO START LOOKING AT NOHFC WITH THE BUILDING ASSESSMENTS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR POOL AND OUR ARENA TO APPLY FOR THE CURRENT GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. I JUST WANT TO STOP SPINNING OUR WHEELS.

WE'RE NOT GETTING ANYWHERE.

WE'RE SPENDING AN AWFUL LOT OF TIME ON STUFF THAT WE DON'T HAVE GRANT MONEY FOR AND I'M SURE DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANOTHER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR AN RFP THAT WE KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET GRANT MONEY FOR.

I WOULD RATHER GET OUR FACILITIES IN GOOD SHAPE AND APPLY FOR GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW. SO THAT'S WHY I WANT TO STOP THIS.

I WANT TO MAKE THE AMENDMENT THAT'S WHERE THIS RESOLUTION ENDS.

AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A MOTION TO DIVIDE, I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT.

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SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS THAT THE MATTER JUST INCLUDES THE ITEMS UNDER NUMBER ONE.

IS THAT CORRECT? FIRST TWO PARAGRAPHS UNDER ONE, THE FINAL PARAGRAPH BE STRICKEN WHERE IT SAYS AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO AMEND THE SCOPE OF PROPOSED RECREATION HUB TO OMIT THE CURLING SHEETS AT AN APPROXIMATE COST SAVINGS AND SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS.

STRIKE THAT.

I WANT THE MOTION TO END AT THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE IT.

YOUR WORSHIP, I DON'T MIND THE IDEA OF DIVIDING THIS MOTION INTO TWO . SORR, THE CLERK HAS A QUESTION, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ABOUT PROCEDURE, WHAT I'M DOING.

MS. BRAY? SORRY, THANK YOU.

SO THERE'S ONE REPORT FOR THREE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COMMITTEE, SO THE MOTIONS ARE DIVIDED ALREADY. THE FIRST MOTION THAT I HAVE I COULD READ OUT TO YOU.

AND THEN SEVEN POINT TWO IS A SEPARATE MOTION DEALING WITH THE FIVE POINT SIX MILLION FOR THE OMITTING THE LARGE GYM SPACE, JUST MR. GAGNON'S REPORT WAS ONE REPORT, BUT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED THREE SEPARATE RESOLUTIONS.

BUT I DO BELIEVE COUNCILLOR PATRIE STILL WANTS TO REMOVE THE LINES THAT WE OMIT THE CURLING CLUB AND ALSO REMOVE THE LINE THAT RESCINDS PREVIOUS RESOLUTIONS.

CORRECT, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

SO THE PROBLEM IS THE REPORT.

SO, YES, THE AGENDA SHOWS THAT IT'S THREE DIFFERENT REPORTS, BUT THE REPORT HAS IT ALL TOGETHER ON ONE REPORT.

AND I'M WILLING TO JUST CANCEL THE BALANCE OF IT AND JUST STOP AT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH AND DON'T EVEN GO INTO TWO AND THREE AS WELL.

MS. BRAY. OK, SO MR. GAGNON'S REPORT WENT TO THE COMMITTEE, IT'S NOT THE REPORT TO COUNCIL.

SO THE FIRST RESOLUTION I HAVE IS NUMBER ONE, THAT STOPS AT OMITTING THE CURLING CLUB, THE SECOND RESOLUTION UNDER SEVEN POINT TWO IS BY ITSELF STANDALONE TO OMIT THE LARGE GYM SPACE, WHICH IS THE SECOND ITEM ON HIS REPORT.

AND THEN THE THIRD MOTION I HAVE IS SEPARATE AGAIN, AND THAT'S THE RFP MOTION.

SO CURRENTLY, THE MOTION THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING, ACCORDING TO THE CLERK, IS STRICTLY THE FIRST THREE LINES, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE OF THE REPORT.

YES, I CAN READ WHAT I HAVE FROM THE COMMITTEE AS FAR AS THE RECOMMENDATION.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE CLERK AND YOUR WORSHIP, I'M ONLY LOOKING AT THE STAFF REPORT THAT WE HAVE, SO BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE MR. GAGNON REPORT, THAT'S WHERE I WAS CUTTING IT OFF.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THEM SEPARATELY AND IF WERE ONLY DEALING WITH ITEM NUMBER ONE AND NOT TWO AND THREE TO BEGIN WITH, I LEAVE MY AMENDMENT TO STAND THAT WE'RE ONLY VOTING ON ITEM NUMBER ONE AND I WANT TO STOP IT WHERE I WAS AND THAT THE FINAL LINE OF THAT ITEM ONE BE STRICKEN.

THAT'S WHAT MY AMENDMENT, PERSONALLY, IS.

MS. BRAY? THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SO COUNCILLOR PATRIE IF YOU REVIEW THE LETTER FROM THE COMMITTEE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON RIGHT NOW IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HUB COMMITTEE, NOT WHAT'S IN THE REPORT FROM MR. GAGNON. THAT REPORT WENT TO THE HUB COMMITTEE AND THEN AS A RESULT OF HIS REPORT, THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATION FROM THE HUB COMMITTEE IS WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON RIGHT NOW.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE WANTS TO AMEND THAT WE REMOVE OMITTING THE CURLING CLUB AND ALSO OMIT THE RESCINDING OF THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION, WHICH IS IN THAT FIRST RECOMMENDATION FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE.

ONCE THE RESOLUTION IS RESCINDED, THEN IT OPENS UP FOR SEVEN POINT TWO AND SEVEN POINT THREE. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION FOR CLARITY? SO IS IT YOUR INTENTION THEN TO STOP IT AT THE GRANTS TO LEAVE THE HEALTH PROPOSAL, AS WAS IN THE RESOLUTION TWO TO THREE, THAT IT BE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND THAT WE GO FORWARD LOOKING FOR FUNDING FOR REJUVENATION AND REMODELING OF OUR FACILITIES?

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SO MY REASON IS I WANT THE MUNICIPALITY TO ASSIST THE CURLING CLUB.

I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANOTHER PENNY OF MONEY, THERE'S A REQUEST IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT ASKS FOR ANOTHER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

SO I DON'T WANT TO RESCIND ANYTHING.

I YEAH, JUST NOT IN THE WAY THAT MY REPORT IS WRITTEN IS THE PROBLEM.

SO IF WE'RE WORKING ON PAGE FORTY NINE.

[INAUDIBLE] SO THEN I WOULD WANT IT TO END.

ACT FUNDS NEEDED TO LEVERAGE THE GRANTS.

THAT'S MY MOTION TO AMEND.

PULL THE OTHER TWO ITEMS RIGHT OFF OF THERE.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING THE BUSINESS CASE, CHANGING ANYTHING.

IF WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THAT LATER, WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT LATER, BUT MY CURRENT AMENDMENT IS THAT WE STRICTLY ASSIST THE CURLING CLUB IN AN APPLICATION FOR THEM TO TRY AND GET FUNDING FROM NOHFC TO BRING THEIR BUILDING UP TO WHAT THEY NEED IT TO BE.

AND VIRTUALLY THAT'S WHAT THOSE TWO SENTENCES SAY.

COUNCILLOR MANN. I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFICATION AS WELL, AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD STARTING POINT AND IS REASONABLE TO WORK WITH THE CURLING CLUB.

I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THERE IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS TONIGHT.

THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT WE WILL BE PROVIDING SOME LEVEL OF ASSISTANCE.

AND I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT'S VERY CLEAR TO EVERYONE, AS COUNCILLOR FINAMORE INDICATED EARLIER, IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT THEM, BUT WE'RE ENTERING DOWN A PATH HERE.

AND AS IT'S BEEN CLEARLY SAID, THIS IS NOT WHAT ANY OF US WANTED WHEN WE GOT INTO THIS IDEA AND THE CONCEPT OF A HUB, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY IT SEEMS LIKE AFTER TONIGHT WE MAY NOT EVEN BE USING THE WORD HUB ANYMORE, WHICH IS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING CONSIDERING THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALL SPOKEN ABOUT.

BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF WORKING AND HAVING STAFF WORK WITH THE CURLING CLUB AND FINDING OUT WHAT THAT MODEL LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT TYPES OF EXPENSES OR COSTS MAY BE INCURRED MOVING FORWARD. MR. ANTUNES, YOU HAD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

JUST MORE OF A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION FOR MYSELF, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

SO BY ELIMINATING THE LAST TWO, I JUST WANT TO CORRECT THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS.

SO THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT BY ELIMINATING THE LAST TWO LINES, THAT STAFF ARE STILL TO PROCEED, INCLUDING THE CURLING CLUB IN THE DESIGN AND MOVING FORWARD.

YES, THANK YOU.

IF WE MOVE FORWARD FURTHER WITH ANY HUB APPLICATIONS, YES.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, WE'RE STILL UNDER GUIDELINES TO NOT SPEND ANY FURTHER MONEY ON THE HUB, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FUNDING.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP LOOKING FOR FUNDING TO BUILD AN ENTIRE PROJECT IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

THAT'S SO, YES, I WANT STAFF TO STRICTLY WORK WITH THE CURLING CLUB TO SEE IF WE CAN ASSIST THEM IN GETTING SOME FUNDING FROM AN NOHFC; VIRTUALLY, THAT'S WHAT THOSE TWO LINES STATE. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

NOW, A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

WELL, COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANKS, YOUR WORSHIP. SO THIS AMENDMENT BASICALLY STOPS DISCUSSION ON THE REMOVAL OF THE CURLING CLUB AND THE GYMNASIUM FROM THE HUB PLANNING. SO WHAT THE THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE SO FAR IS NEGATED.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, COUNCILLOR TURNER, AS SOON AS WE REMOVE THE LAST TWO LINES BECAUSE IT INCLUDES THAT COUNCIL WE SEND ALL RESOLUTIONS PERTAINING TO BUSINESS CASE OPTION F.

SO IF THAT IS AMENDED TO BE REMOVED, THEN WE CANNOT CARRY ON WITH SEVEN POINT TWO OR SEVEN POINT THREE. OK, IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS.

JUST BASICALLY MAKES THE WORK OF THE HUB COMMITTEES, BASICALLY ERASES IT, SO CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

THANKS.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU OUT? YEAH, I'M NOT SURE WHY COUNCILLOR PATRIE WANTS TO GO THIS WAY, BUT IT MAKES NO SENSE TO

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HE WAS THERE. HE KNOWS WHAT THE ARGUMENTS ARE.

THIS IS JUST, I'M NOT SURE WHY YOU WANT TO BREAK THIS UP.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

UM. I CAN'T SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE LAST KICK AT THE CAN BEFORE WE GO TO THE VOTE.

THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, IT IT DOESN'T NEGATE WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS DONE, IT JUST NEGATES WHAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TONIGHT.

IT VIRTUALLY PUTS THE HUB COMMITTEE BACK AT LOOKING AT A FULL HUB.

IF THE HUB COMMITTEE WANTS TO COME BACK WITH A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION AT A DIFFERENT TIME, THAT'S FINE, BUT.

WHAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT, IF YOU SEPARATE THIS, IS TO BUILD A SMALLER HUB, TAKE TWO COMPONENTS OUT OF THE HUB AND SPEND ANOTHER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS ON SOMETHING WHERE THE TWO MEMBERS THAT SPOKE, COUNCILLOR TURNER AND COUNCILLOR PEARCE BOTH SAY THAT, YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET FUNDING.

WE SEE NO FUNDING IN THE FUTURE.

SO WHY WOULD WE SPEND ANOTHER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO DO THAT? BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP THE HUB COMMITTEE FROM WORKING AND CONTINUING ON WITH THE POTENTIAL OF FINDING ITS FUNDING TO BUILD AN ACTUAL HUB.

I JUST WANT STAFF TO BE DIRECTED THAT THEY WORK WITH OUR FACILITIES AND APPLY FOR THE GRANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE.

AND THAT'S VIRTUALLY ALL THAT THIS AMENDMENT DOES, DOESN'T STOP THE HUB COMMITTEE FROM ANYTHING THAT THEY'VE DONE OVER THE LAST YEARS.

OK, ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

THAT'S A TIE VOTE.

THE AMENDMENT'S DEFEATED.

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION AS STATED.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION AS STATED.

OK, I'LL SAY AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE ANY PLANS ON FOREVER OMITTING ANYTHING FROM THIS, I JUST I'M LOOKING AT THIS AS A STAGED IN APPROACH, BEING ABLE TO REPLACE OUR NEEDS IMMEDIATELY AS FAR AS OUR ENGINEERING REPORTS.

SO I'LL CALL FOR COUNCILLOR TURNER.

YEAH, YOUR WORSHIP, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

NOWHERE IN ANY OF MY STATEMENTS HAVE I SUGGESTED THAT WE WON'T GET FUNDING.

TWO OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE EXPRESSED THAT SENTIMENT.

THAT'S NOT MINE. IF WE DON'T ASK, WE DON'T GET.

SO WE MUST ASK WHETHER IT'S FOR THE SMALL FUNDS OR THE BIG ONE THAT WILL HELP US ACTUALLY BUILD THIS STRUCTURE AND INCORPORATE AS MANY PORTIONS AS POSSIBLE.

WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT COUNCIL HASN'T EXPLORED.

I DON'T THINK IT'S OVER BY ANY MEANS.

OK, ROLL CALL VOTE.

OH, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DURING THIS DISCUSSION, COUNCILLOR TURNER'S EXACT WORDS WERE, THERE'S NO FUNDING IN THE FUTURE.

SO HE DID STATE THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.

ROLL CALL VOTE, STARTING COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

CAN THE CLERK READ BACK WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON NOW, PLEASE.

THAT THE REPORT OF THE CAO DATED APRIL 26TH, 2021 BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH THE CURLING CLUB MEMBERS TO SECURE SENIOR LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT FUNDING FOR CAPITAL RENOVATIONS AND REPAIRS, THE DEER TRAIL CURLING CLUB BUILDING ON HILLSIDE SOUTH, AND THAT STAFF AND THE CURLING CLUB RETURNED TO COUNCIL AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE WITH THE DETAILS SURROUNDING THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND THE COST IMPACT TO THE MUNICIPALITY AND THE CLUB FOR THE CURLING CLUB BUILDING REPAIRS AND FUNDS NEEDED TO LEVERAGE THE GRANTS, AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO AMEND THE SCOPE OF THE PROPOSED RECREATION HUB TO OMIT THE CURLING SHEETS AND APPROXIMATE COST SAVINGS OF SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS. AND THAT COUNCIL RESCIND ALL RESOLUTIONS WHERE COUNCIL ACCEPTED BUSINESS CASE OPTION F RESOLUTION 223 COUNCIL MEETING OF JUNE 12, 2017 AND RESOLUTION NINE COUNCIL MEETING OF JANUARY 8TH, 2018.

ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH YOU, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

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UPDATE OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE AD HOC COMMUNITY HUB COMMITTEE HELD TUESDAY, APRIL TWENTY NINE, 2021, THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER THAT COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO AMEND THE SCOPE OF THE PROPOSED RECREATION HUB TO OMIT THE LARGE GYMNASIUM SPACE AND APPROXIMATE COST SAVING OF FIVE POINT SIX MILLION, AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO INVESTIGATE RETROFIT FUNDING FOR THE COLLINS HALL.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

ANY QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION? MR. ANTUNES, IF YOU COULD ADD A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THROUGH YOU TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

ONE OF THE PARTS OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE HUB COMMITTEE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WAS THE FACT THAT THE DESIGN OF OUR NEW THE PROPOSED ARTS HUB HAS A ROUGHLY SEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT THEATER SPACE THAT IS MULTI-PURPOSE.

SO THE SEATING SINKS INTO THE FLOOR AND THE STADIUM SEATING DOES RETRACT INTO THE WALL, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE AN OPEN SPACE OF ROUGHLY SEVEN THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

THAT WOULD TAKE SOME OF THE STRAIN AND SOME SCHEDULING CONFLICTS FROM THE COLLINS HALL, WHICH WOULD ALLOW US TO THEN IN TURN, UTILIZE THE COLLINS HALL MORE FOR ITS INTENDED USE OF A RECREATIONAL FACILITY VERSUS THEATER SLASH CONFERENCE CENTER SLASH BANQUET HALL, SLASH FIVE OTHER THINGS THAT THE COLLINS HALL ENDS UP BEING.

SO IT TAKE SOME OF THE STRAIN OFF OF THAT.

AND THE SECOND PART OF THIS RECOMMENDATION WAS, AS ONE OF THE COUNCILLORS MENTIONED, AND I APOLOGIZE, I MENTIONED IT, BUT THERE IS OTHER FUNDING AVAILABLE SIMILAR TO THE SAME FUND ACTUALLY THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF FOR THE CURLING CLUB, WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT RETROFITS FOR THE COLLINS HALL AND POTENTIALLY UP TO SEVENTY FIVE [INAUDIBLE] DOLLARS TO RETROFIT UP TO FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THE COLLINS HALL AS WELL.

SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS, NOT TO PUT WORDS IN MR. GAGNON'S MOUTH, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS FOR THIS WAS THAT NOW WE'VE GOT THE AVAILABILITY TO HAVE THAT SPACE IN THE ARTS HUB OR THE ART CENTER, EXCUSE ME, THAT WOULD HAVE THAT SPACE AND THEN ALLOW COLLINS HALL TO HAVE ITS GYMNASIUM USAGE [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. AGAIN, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A HUB, YOU BUILD A HUB, AND THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO DIRECT STAFF TO INVESTIGATE RETROFIT FUNDING, YOU CAN ONLY PUT SO MANY PACKAGES TOGETHER TO NOHFC TO APPLY FOR FUNDING. SO I THINK THAT OUR POOL AND OUR ARENA ARE THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT IF THE MUNICIPALITY IS GOING TO APPLY FOR FUNDING.

SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE APPLYING FOR FUNDING FOR THE COLLINS HALL.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT BUILDING WAS JUST RETROFITTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN FOODLAND MOVED OUT OF THERE AND WE HAD THAT BUILDING BROUGHT UP TO CURRENT CODE.

SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS AT ALL.

OK, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. OK, I'LL SPEAK TO IT BEFORE CALLING FOR THE VOTE, THEN.

AS MR. ANTUNES HAS STATED DIFFERENTLY, CAME TO A REALIZATION THE MULTIUSE SPACE COULD BE SEEN AT THE ARTS AND CULTURE CENTER AND POTENTIALLY ALLOWING OPENING THE DOORS FOR THE COLLINS HALL TO BE USED MAINLY FOR RECREATION, ONCE AGAIN, WITH SOME RETROFITS FOR SEATING AND POTENTIALLY ROLL UP MATTING FOR MARTIAL ARTS EVENTS, WRESTLING EVENTS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, BUT TO BE USED AS A MULTI SPORTS FACILITY.

THE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE, THE EQUIPMENT CAN BE PURCHASED AND WITH RETROFITS AND COUNCILLOR PATRIE, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, FOODLAND TOOK A LOOK AT THE ENGINEERING REPORTS WHEN THEY MOVED OUT AND THEY DID A LARGE AMOUNT OF UNEXPECTED WORK IN FIXING THAT FACILITY FOR

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WITH THAT, I'LL CALL FOR THE ROLL CALL VOTE, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.

SEVEN POINT THREE IS A REFERRAL FROM THE AD HOC COMMUNITY HUB COMMITTEE TO AMEND THE SCOPE OF WORK PROPOSED RECREATIONAL HUB AND PREPARE AN RFP FOR AMENDED SCOPE OF WORK.

AGAIN AT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE AD HOC COMMUNITY HUB COMMITTEE HELD THURSDAY, APRIL TWENTY NINTH 2021.

THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED, MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE AND SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, THAT COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF, TO PREPARE AN RFP FOR THE FIRST TWO COMPONENTS OF DETAILED DESIGN OF THE AMENDED SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE RECREATIONAL HUB AN UPSET COST OF FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO PURSUE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE DETAILED DESIGN INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE NOHFC AND RETURN TO COUNCILLOR AS SOON AS PRACTICAL WITH MORE INFORMATION.

CAN I HAVE A MOVE, PLEASE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

MR. ANTUNES, CAN YOU GIVE US AGAIN WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK WITH THE RFP WAS GOING TO BE? BECAUSE IT WAS MY BELIEF THAT WERE GETTING INTO A FURTHER DETAILED APPLICATION.

AND WHERE WE CURRENTLY SIT, THIS WILL TAKE US INTO THE NEXT STEP, GETTING US CLOSER TO CONSTRUCTION. YES, SIR, YOUR WORSHIP, THANK YOU, THROUGH YOU.

ESSENTIALLY, AND I WENT THROUGH SOME NOTES TODAY WITH WITH THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM TO GET SOME CLARITY SO I COULD TRY AND SPEAK AS INTELLIGENTLY AS POSSIBLE TO IT.

ESSENTIALLY, FIVE STAGES WHEN CREATING THE TRUE SHOVEL READY TO START DIGGING AND BUILDING SCHEMATIC DESIGN, DESIGN, DEVELOPMENT, CREATION OF CONTRACT DOCUMENTS, TENDERING AND CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION.

BASED ON A TWENTY SEVEN TO TWENTY NINE MILLION DOLLAR BUILD.

THE TOTAL COST FOR THAT RANGES FROM ONE POINT EIGHT NINE TO ABOUT TWO MILLION DOLLARS.

FUNDING IS NOT COMPLETELY IMMINENT AND OF COURSE, THIS IS BASED ON THE DESIGN OF OMITTING THE TWO SECTIONS, AS WE DISCUSSED IN SEVEN POINT ONE AND SEVEN POINT TWO.

THE ADVICE HAS BEEN THE FIRST TWO STAGES, WHICH ACCOUNT FOR TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE COST, WHICH IS SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND DESIGN DEVELOPMENT THAT GETS YOU WHAT IS TERMED CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENT READY, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD NEED FOR APPLICATION FUNDING TO GET US FURTHER AHEAD. HAVING THAT READY IS VERY HELPFUL TO THE GRANT AND APPLICATION PROCESS.

IF WENT THE FULL [INAUDIBLE] AND DONE EVERYTHING AND TO SAY WE ARE COMPLETELY SHOVEL READY IF THE FUNDS ARE NOT FORTHCOMING WITHIN TWELVE, TWENTY FOUR MONTHS, YOU ESSENTIALLY ARE RISKING CHANGES IN ANYTHING FROM CODE CHANGES TO ANYTHING ELSE AND POTENTIALLY COULD INCUR MORE COSTS.

THE COST ROUGHLY OF FOUR HUNDRED SEVENTY TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR SCHEMATIC DESIGN AND DESIGN DEVELOPMENT GETS US JUST BEFORE THE CONTRACT DOCUMENT STAGE, WHICH AGAIN MAKES IT EASY FOR APPLICATION FOR FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND DOESN'T GET US TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD BUT IF SLIGHT CHANGES, TWEAKS OR CHANGES ARE MADE TO CODE, IT WOULDN'T NULLIFY THE EXTRA EXPENSE.

I HOPE THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION, YOUR WORSHIP.

YES, THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES.

QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM? THE APPLICATION OF THIS THIS WOULD TIE INTO THE GRANT PROCESS.

SO PART OF PART OF THE FUNDING WOULD BE GRANT ELIGIBLE.

WHEN THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED? STAGES THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, SO THE NOHFC, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, DOES FUND THROUGHOUT THE STAGES OF THE PROJECT.

NOHFC FUNDING, FOR EXAMPLE, NOW HAS TO BE PUT IN FOR THE WHOLE PROJECT, AND THAT WOULD BE UP TO TWO MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE FUNDING WOULD COME FROM.

AS FAR AS RESERVES AND SPOTS IT WOULD COME FROM, MS. SONNENBERG, NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT MAYBE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT MORE INTELLIGENTLY THAN I WOULD.

THE SONNENBERG [INAUDIBLE] FACILITY'S RESERVES.

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THAT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD AT THIS TIME TO LOOK AT WHICH RESERVES THAT COULD COME FROM, BUT WE HAVE A HEALTHY WORKING FUNDS RESERVE THAT IT COULD BE PULLED FROM.

THE FACILITIES RESERVE IS IN NEED OF SOME.

REVIEW, HOWEVER, THE WORKING FUNDS DOES THERE WOULD BE ADEQUATE FUNDING IN THE WORKING FUNDS RESERVE. HOWEVER, A DEEP DIVE ON RESERVES IS BEING PLANNED FOR PRESENTATION POTENTIALLY [INAUDIBLE] THIS MONTH.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

THANK YOU, MS. SONNEBERG. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, YOU HAD TO FOLLOW UP? I DID. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A DEFERRAL, BUT I'LL WAIT TILL WE'RE ALLOWED TO DISCUSS DEFERRALS OR HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL EVERYONE'S FINISHED? I'LL WAIT.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

HOW MUCH HAS BEEN EXPENDED TO DATE ON DESIGN TO THIS POINT, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS MY FIRST QUESTION. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, I APOLOGIZE, COUNCILLOR MANN, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY FIND OUT AND GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU.

A LOT OF THE DESIGN AND A LOT OF THINGS CAME THROUGH WERE BEFORE MY TENURE HERE WITH THE CITY. SO I'M JUST VERY HONESTLY NOT AWARE OF WHAT THAT [INAUDIBLE].

OK. AND IF I COULD YOUR WORSHIP MY SECOND QUESTION, I THINK WE SHOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ON RESERVE FUNDS.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN UPCOMING, SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, I THINK, GETTING TO BE CRUCIAL AT THIS POINT. I KNOW THERE THERE WAS A TIME MANY YEARS AGO, THERE IS ANOTHER ROLL OF PAPER FLOATING AROUND CITY HALL OF ANOTHER DESIGNED STUDY, AS WERE ALL AWARE OF, THAT IS AROUND THE SAME COST. SO THAT COULD CONCEIVABLY TWO ROLLS OF PAPER FLOATING AROUND CITY HALL FOR A MILLION DOLLARS.

A LOT OF MONEY WITH POTENTIALS OF NO FUNDING, AS HAD BEEN ALLUDED TO.

AGAIN, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT.

WE DO NEED TO DEFINITELY GO AHEAD WITH MAINTAINING OUR FACILITIES.

I DON'T WANT TO STOP THIS PROCESS.

BUT AGAIN, THESE ARE THIS IS CONSIDERING SOME OF THE OTHER DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEADING DOWN A DIFFERENT ROAD, UNFORTUNATELY, AND I GUESS IT'S ONE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT TROUBLING TO ME.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

UNLESS I MISUNDERSTAND THE MOTION HERE, IT'S BASICALLY DIRECTING STAFF TO PREPARE AN RFP FOR THE FIRST TWO COMPONENTS OF DETAILED DESIGN IN THIS AMENDED STRUCTURE.

SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING THE FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND AT THIS POINT, WE'RE PREPARING THE RFP AND THE SECOND PART IS THE PURSUANCE OF THE GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES.

WHILE, I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH COUNCILLOR MANN ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE SPENT ON THIS OR THAT AND THE SUBPROJECTS SO FAR, I DON'T THINK THIS PARTICULAR MOTION PUTS US ANY MORE AT RISK. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR MANN AND I'M SORRY, COUNCILLOR TURNER, BUT IF YOU READ THAT RESOLUTION, YOU'RE TOTALLY INCORRECT.

IF WE APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION AS WRITTEN, WE'RE APPROVING FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

WE'RE ALSO TELLING STUFF TO TRY AND GET GRANT MONEY FOR THAT FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. BUT WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE AN UPSET COST ABOUT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR AN RFP FOR A HUB THAT IS STRICTLY GOING TO BE AN ARENA AND A POOL, I CAN'T DO THAT.

THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS, WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE.

WE HAVE ROADS THAT ARE DETERIORATING.

WE HAVE SO MUCH OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO THE MUNICIPALITY THAT HALF A MILLION DOLLARS COULD BE USED FOR OR EVEN USED TO APPLY FOR GRANTS FOR.

I JUST, I CANNOT RESPONSIBLY APPROVE A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OF TAXPAYERS MONEY TO GO TO BUILD STRICTLY TWO COMPONENTS OF A HUB, I WOULD RATHER SPEND THAT.

HAVE STAFF INVESTIGATE AND SPEND MONEY ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND APPLY FOR GRANTS THAT WE NEED TO GET REPAIRED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S A RESPONSIBLE EXPENSE.

SO I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO THIS.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. I THINK THE DIFFERENT VIEW RESULTS FROM THE WAY IT'S

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HOWEVER, I SHALL LEAVE IT THERE AND--MAYBE I COULD CLEAR THIS UP, BECAUSE IT IS ON PAGE NUMBER THREE OF THE REPORT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE SEVEN POINT ONE UNDER THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.

SO DESIGN COST SEVEN PERCENT OF THE PROJECT'S CAPITAL COST EQUAL FOUR HUNDRED SEVENTY TWO THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED, TWO [INAUDIBLE], REPRESENTING TWENTY FIVE PERCENT.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO APPLY TO NOHFC AND THE CITY'S COST WOULD POTENTIALLY BE 50 PERCENT OF THAT AT TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX THOUSAND TWO FIFTY.

AND THE LAST STEP WOULD REPRESENT A BALANCE FROM NOHFC OF ONE MILLION FOUR HUNDRED SEVENTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED.

THAT'S WHAT THE TWO MILLION DOLLARS.

AND THEN THIS IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT FUNDING MODEL THAN WERE LOOKING AT FOR THE RETROFITS. AND WOULD IT NOT HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL? YES, IT WOULD. MR. ANTUNES, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM THIS SHOVEL READY DESIGN PORTION HERE IN THE REPORT.

SORRY, THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS, AGAIN, NOT SURE THE SPIRIT WHICH MR. GAGNON HAD WRITTEN IT, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, IT WAS THE ABILITY TO PREP AN RFP TO PROCEED WITH GETTING THE DESIGN WORK DONE, THE INITIAL PART OF THE DESIGN WORK OF THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS READY.

SO, THE $472,500.

TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR NOHFC, ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THESE DESIGN DOCUMENTS IS AND WE'VE BEEN IT'S BEEN ALLUDED TO THROUGH THROUGH SOME OF THE FUNDERS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN TO, IS THAT TO APPLY FOR FUNDING AND TO BE READY FOR FUNDING, THEY WANT TO SEE THAT YOU'VE GOT CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS READY OR THEY PROCEEDED AT LEAST A CHUNK OF THE WAY.

WHEREAS WHEN FUNDING GETS PUT TOGETHER THAT THEY DON'T HAVE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE DOCUMENTS THERE, THAT'S PART OF THE SCORING CRITERIA AS THEY LOOK AT HOW FAR ALONG YOU ARE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I BELIEVE THE WAY THIS REPORT IS WRITTEN IS FOR APPROVAL TO PUT OUT AN RFP FOR THE FIRST TWO STEPS OF SCHEMATIC AND DESIGN DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU, THROUGH YOU AS THE RESOLUTION READS, THIS WOULD BE AN RFP FOR THE FIRST TWO COMPONENTS. SO ALL THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE SPENT ON RFP FOR THE DESIGN TO DATE, WHICH PART OF THAT IS FUNDED AND COUNCILLOR MANN IS CORRECT.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE'VE SPENT ON THE DESIGN OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT TO DATE, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A NEW RFP.

TO BUILD A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DESIGN THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT A TON OF MONEY ON IS MY ARGUMENT HERE. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT AN UPSET COST OF FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT YOUR WORSHIP SAYS THAT POTENTIALLY WE ONLY MAY HAVE TO PAY HALF UP IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND UP TO TWO MILLION.

SO WE'RE SENDING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO UTILIZE THE DESIGN WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT A WHOLE NEW STRUCTURE.

SO YOU'RE STARTING FRESH AGAIN.

SO I JUST CAN'T.

I CAN NOT APPROVE SPENDING TAX MONEY WITHOUT KNOWING HOW BAD WE ARE DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE.

[INAUDIBLE] COUNCILLOR FINAMORE IS MOTION TO DEFER MIGHT BE THE BEST REPRESENTATION TO GET MORE DETAILS FROM MR. GAGNON THAT WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN [INAUDIBLE].

WE'VE NEVER GONE DOWN THAT RABBIT HOLE.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AFTER THE F&A MEETING WHERE WE COULD DO THE DEEP DIVE INTO RESERVES.

SO I'M NOT SURE OF THE EXACT DATE OF THAT, BUT MS. SONNENBURG SAID THAT IN MAY OR JUNE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A DEEP DIVES INTO THE RESERVES. BUT THE COUNCIL MEETING FOLLOWING THAT MEETING.

MS. SONNENBERG. IT'S BEEN A BUSY COUPLE OF WEEKS AND WE'RE STILL UNDERGOING THE AUDIT, SO.

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SO WE'LL SEE WHAT I CAN CRANK OUT.

DOES THAT DOES THAT MAKE THE CLERK'S DEFINITION IF WE SAY THE MEETING AFTER THE F&A DISCUSSES THE RESERVES? THE PROCEDURAL BYLAW JUST HAS A TIME CERTAIN, SO I PUT THE JUNE COUNCIL MEETING DATE AND THEN WE'LL BE SAFE. FIRST MEETING IN JUNE.

NO, IT'LL BE THE SECOND.

SECOND MEETING. THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE.

OK. THE SECONDER FOR DEFERRAL TO THE SECOND MEETING IN JUNE.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

MS. SONNENBERG PLENTY OF TIME.

ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DEFERRAL WE HAVE, WE SEEM TO HAVE A DATE AND TIME FIGURED OUT AND QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED.

SO I'LL CALL FOR THE ROLL CALL VOTE STARTING COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

OPPOSED. COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

IN FAVOR.

I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED, I SHOULD SAY, DEFERRED.

OK, OUTSIDE BOARD AND COMMITTEE REPORTING, THERE IS NONE THIS EVENING, UNFINISHED

[9. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]

I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THE HUB ENOUGH FOR THIS EVENING, ARTS AND CULTURE HUB UPDATE STANDING ITEM. WE DO KNOW EARLIER ON WE APPROVED FUNDING FOR [INAUDIBLE] AND I BELIEVE THERE MAY BE ADDITIONAL REPORT FORTHCOMING AT OUR MAY 25TH MEETING POTENTIALLY.

9.3 RESIDENTIAL WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS, THERE'S NO NEW INFORMATION THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THIS TIME, 9.4 COVID-19 UPDATE STANDING ITEM.

WE'RE STILL UNDER THE STAY AT HOME ORDERS.

VACCINES CONTINUE TO ROLL OUT QUITE NICELY IN OUR COMMUNITY, MOVING VERY, VERY SMOOTH AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND.

I'VE HAD MANY QUESTIONS.

MIND YOU WHY THERE'S DIFFERENT PHASES AND DIFFERENT PORTIONS OF THE PROVINCE.

FROM THE PROVINCE THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS DUE TO THE PROVINCE TRYING TO KEEP AS MANY VACCINES IN THE HOT SPOTS AS POSSIBLE TO REDUCE THE SPREAD FROM THE HOT SPOTS.

BUT THEY CONTINUE TO ROLL OUT IN ELLIOT LAKE.

ALSO COUNCILLOR FINAMORE YOU HAD AN ADDITION TO THAT? I DID. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IN MAY WE DID THE FAMILY HEALTH TEAM DID THREE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED AND FIVE VACCINES AND IN MAY SO FAR, FIVE HUNDRED AND THIRTY ONE AND WITH A TOTAL OF THREE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SIX.

AND THEY'LL BE HOLDING VACCINES THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS THROUGH THE REST OF MAY.

AS WELL AS SHOPPERS DRUG MART IS ALSO CONTINUING VACCINES.

I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT SHOPPERS ISN'T DOING THEM ANYMORE.

NO, THE VACCINES HAVE BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR LAST MEETING WAS THAT OUR DISTRICT IS FAR ABOVE THE REST OF THE PROVINCE. AS FAR AS STATISTICS AND WITH THE NUMBERS YOU JUST GAVE US, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, WE'RE DEFINITELY BEYOND ONE THIRD HERE IN ELLIOT LAKE.

SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE SAFE YET.

CONTINUE SOCIAL DISTANCE AND CONTINUE WITH THE MASK WEARING AND EVENTUALLY WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS TOGETHER. AND I BELIEVE COUNCILLOR FINAMORE IS PLANNING ON HAVING A BIG PARTY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND A BARBECUE IN HER BACKYARD AT THAT TIME.

VOLUNTEER FOR THAT COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

ABSOLUTELY. ALL RIGHT.

THERE'S NO PETITION'S THIS EVENING, NO CORRESPONDENCE, NO NOTICE OF MOTION, COUNCIL'S

[13. COUNCIL REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]

SO PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD IS FURTHER ON, SO I'LL START OUT I DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION HERE THIS EVENING WHERE STATS CAN WELL COULD KNOCK THE CENSUS OF POPULATION IN MAY 2021.

AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE SUPPORTS THE CENSUS, CENSUS INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND IS VITAL FOR PLANNING SCHOOLS, DAYCARE, FAMILY SERVICES, HOUSING, EMERGENCY SERVICES, ROADS, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND SKILLS TRAINING FOR EMPLOYMENT.

AND WHEREAS THE STATS STATISTICS ACT REQUIRES THAT PERSONAL INFORMATION PROVIDED ON CENSUS QUESTIONNAIRES BE KEPT STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL.

THEREFORE, I DAN MARCHISELLA, THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE DO HEREBY DECLARE THE WEEK OF MAY 10 TO 14, 2021 AS CENSUS WEEK IN ELLIOT LAKE AND CALL UPON ALL RESIDENTS TO COMPLETE THEIR CENSUS QUESTIONNAIRE ONLINE AT WWW.CENSUS.GC.CA OR TO RETURN THEIR COMPLETED PAPER QUESTIONNAIRE BY MAIL BY TUESDAY, MAY 11.

2021.

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THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS NURSES WEEK AND I WANTED TO THANK ALL THE NURSES IN ELLIOT LAKE AND BEYOND, HAVING SPENT THIS LAST YEAR WITH MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY VISITS TO DIFFERENT HOSPITALS AND CLINICS AND CANCER CENTERS, I NEED TO SAY THAT I DID NOT MEET ONE PERSON THAT SHOULD NOT BE IN THE JOB THAT THEY'RE IN, THAT A LOT OF THEIR RESOURCES WERE PULLED, A LOT OF THEIR RESOURCES WERE STRETCHED. BUT THE CARE THAT MY FAMILY RECEIVED WAS SUPERB, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAD TO LEAVE, LEAVING MY HUSBAND AT THE DOORS OF A HOSPITAL.

I FELT LIKE I WAS LEAVING THE HOSPITAL WITHOUT MY NEWBORN BABY.

BUT THE NURSES AND STAFF TOOK GREAT CARE OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY WERE ALONE.

I JUST WANTED TO READ THIS.

NURSE ANOTHER WORD TO DESCRIBE A PERSON STRONG ENOUGH TOLERATE ANYTHING AND SOFT ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND ANYONE.

AND I THINK THIS YEAR HAS SHOWN US THAT WE'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT FIREFIGHTERS ARE THE HEROES THAT RUN INTO THE FIRE AND INTO THE BUILDING AS PEOPLE ARE LEAVING, WHILE NURSES ARE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE JUMPED IN FRONT OF COVID AND STOOD IN FRONT OF IT AND FACED TERRIBLE ODDS AND CONTINUED TO DO THEIR JOB AND SHOWING THE SCARS FOR IT.

AND I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND TO THANK ALL THE NURSES EVERYWHERE FOR FOR THE HELP, FOR THE CARE.

AND PLEASE ASK THEM TO PLEASE TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT THEM ON A DAILY BASIS.

NEVER, NEVER MIND IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC.

AND THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO DO IS TO WISH ELIJAH HENNESSEY GOOD LUCK AND TO SEND COMMUNITY PRAYERS AND WELL WISHES WITH THE HENNESSEY FAMILY AS HE HEADS TO SICK KIDS FOR HIS BIG SURGERY THEY CALL IT.

THIS LITTLE GUY'S HAVING MUSTARD BAFFLE A [INAUDIBLE] PROCEDURE AND A AVSD REPAIR DONE ON HIS HEART ON THE 19TH OF MAY AT SICK KIDS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY TO SAY EXTRA PRAYERS FOR THE HENNESSEY FAMILY AND LITTLE ELIJAH AND JESSIE AND TOM AND SHANNON AND DARLA AND HOWIE, AS THEY HEAD DOWN TO SUPPORT THIS LITTLE BOY, HE'LL BE DOING IT WITH ONLY ONE PARENT ALLOWED.

SO NOT KNOWING HOW LONG HE'S GOING TO BE IN THE HOSPITAL FOR, HE WILL BE ALLOWED TO HAVE HIS MOM AND DAD SEPARATELY, BUT NEVER TOGETHER.

SO THE MOTHER, HIS MOTHER WILL NEVER HAVE SUPPORT FROM ANYONE.

AND HIS DAD WILL NEVER HAVE SUPPORT WITH ANYONE WHILE THEY'RE IN TRYING TO SUPPORT THIS BABY BECAUSE OF COVID, SO IT JUST ADDS ANOTHER LAYER ONTO AN AWFUL SITUATION.

BUT THIS IS GREAT HOPE.

HE'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THERE AS THE SHINING STAR AS HE IS AND HE'S GOING TO COME THERE FIXED AND NOT NEED SURGERIES FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.

AND THIS FAMILY CAN LOOK FORWARD AND WATCH HIM GROW UP IN THE COMMUNITY WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. BUT JUST WANTED TO SEND OUR WELL WISHES AND OUR PRAYERS WITH THE HENNESSEY FAMILY AS THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IS THERE ANY OTHER COUNCIL'S ANNOUNCEMENTS? I DO HAVE A COUPLE MORE HARD ONE TO FOLLOW COUNCILLOR FINAMORE NEXT TIME I'M SAVING YOU FOR THE END. TUESDAY, MAY 11TH, IS PROVINCIAL DAY OF ACTION ON LITTER.

THE REQUEST IS THAT EVERYONE DO YOUR PART TO REDUCE WASTE.

AND IF YOU CAN HELP KEEP NEIGHBORHOODS CLEAN AND PICK UP TRASH WHERE YOU SEE IT.

WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO SHOUT OUT A BIG THANK YOU TO THE MULTITUDE OF VOLUNTEERS THAT WERE OUT AND ABOUT THIS WEEKEND, AND THEY WERE SOCIAL DISTANCING.

BUT THERE WAS MANY VOLUNTEERS OUT ALONG THE HIGHWAY STRETCHES BOTH SOUTH AND NORTH OF TOWN AND THROUGH THE MAIN STRIP CORRIDOR, PICKING UP TRASH AND ALONG THE TRAIL SYSTEMS THROUGHOUT THIS THIS WEEKEND, PICKING UP TRASH.

SO ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.

JUST A BIG THANK YOU TO EVERYONE IN THAT DEPARTMENT.

NEXT THING IS THE BIG TICKET ITEMS, THERE'S NOT VERY MANY OF THIS EVENING, RECEIVER GENERAL RECEIVED SEVENTY FOUR THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED.

WORKPLACE SAFETY AND INSURANCE PREMIUMS, TWENTY THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED.

AJ BUS LINES, INCLUDING ONTARIO [INAUDIBLE], THIRTY SIX THOUSAND.

AGOMA DISTRICT SERVICES ADMIN BOARD, MUNICIPAL LEVY, TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND.

GFL ENVIRONMENTAL FOR WEEKLY CURBSIDE AND SEWAGE CLEANUP, THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND.

[INAUDIBLE] FORTY FIVE THOUSAND.

TULLOCH ENGINEERING FOR THE CURLING CLUB ASSESSMENT AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS.

TWENTY NINE THOUSAND.

THOSE ARE BIG TICKET ITEMS. AND WE SHALL CARRY ON, THERE'S NO ADDENDUM THIS EVENING.

[15. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BY-LAWS]

[01:55:01]

15.1 BYLAW 21-38 BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE THE ENTERING INTO OF A NATURAL GAS APPOINTMENT AND RETAINER AGREEMENT.

GOING BACK BECAUSE THAT WAS DEFERRED, THE BYLAW WAS ALSO DEFERRED AUTOMATICALLY, 15.2 BYLAW 21-39 BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE THE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF A SIDEWALK TRACTOR RIBBON BLOWER.

CAN HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE. MOVED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

WAS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR, THAT'S CARRIED.

PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD.

[16. PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD]

FIRST ONE COMING FROM DAVE[INAUDIBLE] ITEM 7.2 THE REC HUB.

PLEASE PUT THE FOLLOWING COMMENT TO COUNCIL DURING PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD.

HAS ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT APPROACHING A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION TO BUILD A RECREATIONAL HUB AS A RESULT, GET A PORTION OF THE REVENUE UNTIL THE COST OF THE BUILDING IS RECOUPED.

THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR UPKEEP AND MAINTENANCE.

SO THE ANSWER TO THAT DISCUSSIONS IN THE PAST, MR. [INAUDIBLE] HAVE BEEN BEEN HAD ABOUT THIS IS CALLED P3.

PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP.

DISCUSSIONS HAVE BEEN HAD AROUND THAT FROM RESEARCH AND OTHER COMMUNITIES VERY RARELY ARE THEY SUCCESSFUL OR LUCRATIVE FOR EITHER PARTY.

THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU HAVE FORTY TWO MILLION DOLLARS, MR. [INAUDIBLE], AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO BUILD THE REC PLEX.

I'M SURE WE CAN WORK SOMETHING OUT.

HOPEFULLY HE'LL CALL TOMORROW MORNING.

THE SECOND QUESTION CAME LAST MINUTE WAS FROM CHRIS [INAUDIBLE].

QUESTION ABOUT THE RECREATION HUB ALSO 7.2.

HAS THE CITY THOUGHT ABOUT LOOKING AT THE SPRUNG STRUCTURE'S IDEA AGAIN? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, AGAIN, WE STILL REQUIRE AN RFP FOR CONSTRUCTION, SO THE CITY CANNOT SOLE SOURCE UNLESS WE HAVE ALL OUR OWN MONEY TO SPEND IN THIS SCENARIO, WE CAN'T SOLE SOURCE. SO COMPANIES LIKE SPRUNG OR OLYMPIA BUILDINGS, WHEN THE RFP FOR CONSTRUCTION FINALLY GOES OUT, THEY'RE ALL MORE THAN WELCOME TO APPLY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OR BID ON THE CONSTRUCTION JOB. SO NOTHING'S OUT OF THE QUESTION AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED AT THE MOMENT. BUT COUNCIL CANNOT SOLE SOURCE A 30 OR 40 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, HOWEVER YOU LOOK AT IT. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS THIS EVENING.

[17. CLOSED SESSION (if applicable)]

I ASKED MISS SONNENBERG BEFORE I CALLED FOR THE VOTE TO SEND US A LINK FOR THE CLOSED SESSION PORTION.

AND THAT BEING SAID, A MOVER AND A SECONDER TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

SECOND, BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR.

AND I'M IN FAVOR ALSO, SO SEE EVERYBODY IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES TIME FOR A WASHROOM BREAK IF NEEDED. HAVE WE BEEN SENT THE LINK ALREADY.

JUST GOT IT. OK, PERFECT.

YEP. JUST GOT IT. THANK YOU.

BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED WE'RE NOW OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.

18 CONFIRMATORY BYLAW, 18.1 BYLAW 21-40 BEING A BYLAW CONFIRMING PROCEEDINGS OF COUNCIL AT

[18. CONFIRMATORY BY-LAW]

2021. CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN, ANY QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? SEEING NONE.

A ROLL CALL VOTE COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

OPPOSED.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

IN FAVOR. AND I'M IN FAVOR, THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. AND MOTION TO ADJOURN BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

WE'RE NOW ADJOURNED. THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU.

GOOD NIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.