May 25, 2021 City Council

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

AND I'M IN FAVOR, THOSE ARE CARRIED.

THERE'S NO PUBLIC PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.

SIX INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS.

[6. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS]

SIX POINT ONE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS RE: CRUSHING OF CUMULATED STOCKPILE OF ASPHALT LOCATED BEHIND THE DOG PARK, AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS DATED MAY 19TH 2021 BE RECEIVED.

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AND THAT COUNCIL WILL APPROVE THE SOLE SOURCING OF THE CRUSHING OF SIX THOUSAND CUBIC METERS OF STOCKPILED ASPHALT TO GILBERTSON ENTERPRISES FOR COST OF ONE HUNDRED ONE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES.

AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVES THE USE OF THE RECYCLED ASPHALT PAVEMENT TOWARD SEVERAL PROJECTS IDENTIFIED THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WITH REMAINING APPROVED BUDGET AMOUNT OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

YES. THANK YOUR WORSHIP BACKGROUND FOR EVERYONE AT HOME IS OVER THE PAST 30 YEARS, BOTH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND SEVERAL LOCAL CONTRACTORS HAVE BEEN DISPOSING OF THEIR OLD TORN UP ASPHALT FROM ROADS AND DRIVEWAY PROJECTS COMPLETED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THE ACCUMULATED STOCKPILE IS NOW ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND EIGHTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED CUBIC METERS IN VOLUME AFTER AN ENGINEERING DRONE SURVEY WAS COMPLETED IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR. HISTORICALLY, THE OLD PAVEMENT MATERIAL WAS REMOVED AND DISPOSED OF IN LANDFILLS.

AS LANDFILLING OF THESE MATERIALS HAS BECOME LESS PRACTICAL AND MORE EXPENSIVE, AND THE AVAILABILITY OF QUALITY [INAUDIBLE] MATERIALS DECLINES.

THE USE OF RAP, WHICH IS THE SHORT VERSION OF THE RECYCLED ASPHALT PAVEMENT, HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE PREVALENT BY UTILIZING THIS PRODUCT ASPHALT PAVEMENT NOT ONLY IS IT ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT THE PRODUCT HAS EXCELLENT BONDING QUALITIES AND ALLOWS FOR BETTER DRAINAGE THAN REGULAR ASPHALT.

THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE RECEIVES SIX HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND IN FEDERAL GAS TAX MONEY ANNUALLY TO BE BUDGETED TOWARDS ROADS PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

IN 2021 COUNCIL APPROVED THE CAPITAL PROJECT OF AN AMOUNT OF TWO HUNDRED FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS TO ALLOW STAFF TO HIRE A SPECIALIZED CONTRACTOR TO CRUSH A THIRD OF THE STOCKPILED ASPHALT THAT COULD BE USED TOWARDS PREDETERMINED PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. IN THE SUMMER OF 2018 AN INSPECTOR FROM THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT WAS CONTACTED BY SEVERAL RESIDENTS FROM THE ACTUAL CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE WITH CONCERNS OF THE CONTINUALLY GROWING STOCKPILE OF ASPHALT PRODUCT BEHIND THE CURRENT DOG PARK ON SENATOR PLACE.

THESE CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION WHERE THE INSPECTOR FROM THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT STATED THE CITY NEEDED TO CREATE AN ACTION PLAN ON WHAT TO DO WITH THE CURRENT STOCKPILE AND TO IDENTIFY A NEW AREA WHERE ASPHALT COULD BE STOCKPILED A TIME PERIOD AND WHAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE WITH IT.

THE ACCUMULATED STOCKPILE WAS AGAIN MENTIONED, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, WAS SURVEYED AND AT FIRST THOUGHT TO BE CLOSER TO TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND CUBIC METERS, WHICH WAS LATER CONFIRMED TO BE CLOSER TO EIGHTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED BY GILBERTSON'S ENTERPRISE.

THIS IS A COMPANY THAT SPECIALIZES IN THE CRUSHING, SCREENING AND STOCKPILING OF OLD ASPHALT. THE CITY RECEIVED A PROPOSAL FROM GILBERTSON ENTERPRISE, TO CRUSH AND SCREEN THE STOCKPILE OF ASPHALT FOR A PRICE OF SIXTEEN DOLLARS AND NINETY FIVE CENTS PER CUBIC METER, PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES, RESULTING IN A TOTAL COST OF ONE HUNDRED ONE THOUSAND AND SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES.

THAT WOULD BE FOR A THIRD OF THE PILE AT SIX THOUSAND CUBIC METERS.

THE CRUSHED VOLUME IS ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND FOUR HUNDRED AND TEN TRUCKLOADS.

THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE HAULED TO PREDETERMINED PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND THEN WHATEVER IS REMAINING WOULD BE GOING TO THE ACTUAL PUBLIC WORKS YARD ON THE HIGHWAY . AFTER FURTHER INVESTIGATION, IT IS RECOMMENDED TO USE THIS RAP FOR PARKING LOT, SHOULDERING TRAIL SYSTEMS, DRIVEWAYS AND ON ROADS WITH LOWER VEHICLE VOLUMES.

WITH THIS IN MIND, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL TO COMPLETE SKI HILL PARKING LOT AT EIGHTEEN THOUSAND CUBIC METERS.

THE TRAIL SYSTEM FROM ESTEN DRIVE NORTH TO ESTEN DRIVE SOUTH.

THERE'S ALSO BEEN IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT MISSISSAGI PARK PROPOSED ACCESSIBILITY PARKING AREA AT SPRUCE BEACH, WITH THE REMAINING VOLUME BEING HAULED TO THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD AS MENTIONED EARLIER.

BY UTILIZING THIS RAP PRODUCT, THE CITY IS SAVING A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY COMPARED TO PURCHASING PRODUCTS LIKE ASPHALT, CRUSHER DUST, A B OR M GRAVEL.

THE REMAINING VOLUME WILL BE CRUSHED OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, WHERE THE RAP PRODUCT CAN BE UTILIZED IN FACILITY PARKING LOTS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED TO BE REPLACED IN 2016 BUILDING CONDITION ASSESSMENT.

WITH THE FINANCIALS ON THIS COUNCIL HAS APPROVED, LIKE MENTIONED EARLIER, A CAPITAL BUDGET OF TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS TO HAVE A THIRD OF THE PILE, SIX THOUSAND CUBIC METERS OF THE STOCKPILE OF ASPHALT CRUSHED AND UTILIZED.

WITH THE CRUSHING PROCESS COSTING ONE HUNDRED ONE THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES, THIS WOULD LEAVE THE REMAINING BUDGETED AMOUNT OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS TO HIRE LOCAL CONTRACTORS TO ASSIST IN HAULING, GRADING AND PACKING RECYCLED ASPHALT PRODUCT TOWARDS PREDETERMINED PROJECTS, AS MENTIONED. SO, IN SUMMARY, NOT ONLY IS THE CITY REMOVING A LARGE VOLUME OF STOCKPILED ASPHALT FROM AN AREA OF CONCERN FROM BOTH RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT CLIMATE CONTROL, IT IS ALSO UTILIZING RECYCLED ASPHALT PRODUCT TOWARDS PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

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THIS IS ENVIRONMENTALLY RESPONSIBLE AS WELL AS A GREAT COST SAVINGS FOR THE CITY, WHICH NOW HAS IDENTIFIED AN AREA IN THE LOCAL LANDFILL WHERE RESIDENTS AND CONTRACTORS WILL BE CHARGED A FEE DISPOSED OF THEIR OLD ASPHALT.

THE MONEY COLLECTED WILL BE USED TO HELP OFFSET THE COST TO CRUSH THE PRODUCT EVERY FIVE YEARS, WHERE AGAIN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN AND IDENTIFY PROJECTS THAT WE COULD USE IT FOR. SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

ANYTHING TO MR. HALLOCH.

I THINK THERE'S A FEW AND I'LL START OFF SAYING THANK YOU FOR FINALLY GETTING THIS UNDERWAY. AND I'M CURIOUS, YOU MENTIONED ADDITIONAL CRUSHING IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT GIVEN TO UTILIZING SOME OF IT TO HARD PACK THE COMPLETE BOAT LAUNCH AREA OR EVEN SAY WHEN YOU DO UPGRADES AT THE LANDFILL TO HAVE THAT TURNAROUND AREA ALSO HARD PACKED WITH THIS CRUSHED FILL? YES. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YEAH, WE'RE NOT LEAVING ANYTHING OFF THE ACTUALS SO WE'RE LOOKING TO USE IT EVERYWHERE.

IF IT'S GOING TO BE A GOOD MATERIAL THAT ONCE WE IDENTIFY THESE AREAS, WE'LL TALK TO SEVERAL PEOPLE, THE ENGINEERS AS WELL, TO SEE IF THE PRODUCT WILL WORK THERE.

WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT IDENTIFYING IT IN SOME AREAS, AND I KNOW THEY ARE MORE HIGH TRAFFIC, BUT ON SOME OF THE HILLS ON DUNLOP SHORES AS WELL, WHERE WE ALWAYS END UP HAVING A LOT OF THE WASHBOARD CONTINUALLY COMING BACK ANYWAYS.

WE MIGHT TRY IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO, NOT THIS YEAR, BUT THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AFTERWARDS. AREAS LIKE THAT NOW DOING THE WHOLE ROAD IS NOT RECOMMENDED.

LIKE I SAID, HIGH TRAFFIC AREAS.

THERE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE HESITANT ON.

THE MAINLY MAIN CONCERNS A LOT OF THEM ARE THE PARKING LOTS AND AND A LOT OF THE SHOULDERING THAT CAN BE COMPLETED AROUND TOWN AS WELL.

SO IT'S A VERY GOOD PRODUCT.

AND THE MORE I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING, THE MORE I UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH VALUE WE ACTUALLY HAVE OF THE MATERIAL ONCE IT'S CRUSHED UP.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MR. HALLOCH FOR OUR BENEFIT AND THOSE WATCHING WHAT TYPE OF COMPACT RATE WHEN IT'S REAPPLIED, HOW DOES IT WHAT'S THE FINAL PRODUCT LOOK LIKE? IS IT STILL LOOSE, LIKE GRAVEL, OR DOES IT STILL HAVE IS IT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN GRAVEL AND AN ASPHALT SURFACE? THANK YOU. SO JUST TO START, WE TRIED SOME OF THIS RIGHT AWAY ON THE TRAIL IN BETWEEN ESTEN SOUTH AND ESTEN NORTH, SO RIGHT AWAY, THERE'S A 60 FOOT SECTION THAT WAS PUT ON AND THEN OBVIOUSLY TAMPED BY WITH THE HAND TAMPERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, NOW THE PRODUCT WILL ALWAYS LOOK LIKE AN OLDER ASPHALT.

IT COMPACTS TOGETHER VERY WELL LOTS OF TIMES UNTIL IT'S REALLY COMPACTED AND IT MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

IT WILL LOOK MORE OF LIKE A GRAVEL TYPE PRODUCT, BUT IT WILL COMPACT TOGETHER AND END UP BEING AN ASPHALT TYPE OF A LOOK TO IT AFTERWARDS.

SO IT WILL BE SOLIDIFIED.

NOW THERE IS OPTIONS ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR LOOK IF WE WANT TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND DO SOMETHING ON TOP OF IT.

BUT MORE OR LESS, IT COMES OUT SOLID, LIKE AN ASPHALT THAT JUST WON'T HAVE THAT BLACK FINISH LIKE YOU'D SEE ON AN ASPHALT ROADWAY.

OKAY COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH. IT HAS BEEN YEARS, IF NOT DECADES, THAT WE'VE BEEN STOCKPILING THIS, AND IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT WE'RE FINALLY STARTING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.

I WISH IT WOULD HAVE GONE TO COMMITTEE BECAUSE I HAVE SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS, SO THE PREDICAMENT IS WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO A THIRD OF THE STOCKPILE, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO STOCKPILE AND WE WANT TO SOLE SOURCE IT.

SO HAVE WE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND SOLE SOURCING A JOB THAT IS THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD RESPONSIBLY, AT LEAST GET AN RFP, COULD WE NOT BE DOING THIS OURSELVES LIKE WE'RE TALKING SO IN THREE YEARS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY 6000 FEET AGAIN WHERE WE'RE REMOVING STREETS CONSTANTLY AND BUILDING TO THE STOCKPILE.

IS IT CHEAPER FOR US TO BUY OUR OWN GRINDER AND HAVE PUBLIC WORKS DO THE WORK LIKE? I THINK THIS REPORT SHOULD HAVE GONE TO COMMITTEE AND WE COULD HAVE ASKED AN AWFUL LOT OF QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF JUST COMING HERE TO SOLE SOURCE WHAT LOOKS LIKE A THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR ASK BECAUSE IT'S A THIRD DONE ONE YEAR AND YOU WANT TO DO YEAR TWO AN YEAR THREE, THE APPROACH OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT.

I THINK IT'S AMAZING.

THERE'S SO MANY PLACES IN THE MUNICIPALITY THAT COULD USE THIS PRODUCT AND I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE COSMETICS.

I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILLOR MANN HAS ASKED, IT DOES IT'S SIMILAR TO COLD PATCH.

IT DOES PACK BACK UP SIMILAR TO ASPHALT.

IT'S A VERY SOLID PRODUCT.

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SO IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

IT COULD POTENTIALLY SAVE THE TAXPAYERS, POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF US PUTTING A TYPE OF ASPHALT INTO AN AWFUL LOT OF MUNICIPAL ASSETS, SO I THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA, BUT I'M JUST NOT FOR SOLE SOURCING WHAT APPEARS TO BE A THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR COST OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS. WELL, THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, WE REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL ONES IN THE AREA AND WHEN I MEAN WITH SPECIALIZED THIS, THERE'S THERE'S ONLY SO MANY THAT ARE GOING TO BE ANYWHERE FROM THE SUDBURY TO SAULT STE.

MARIE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING FOR IT IS A SPECIALIZED SERVICE.

NOW, ONE THING THAT WE DID FIND OUT IS WE CAN RFP, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY GETTING A COMPANY DURING COVID COMING DOWN FROM DOWN SOUTH THAT COULD POSSIBLY DO THIS.

WE FOUND OUT THE RANGE IS ANYWHERE FROM 15 TO 20 DOLLARS PER CUBIC METER AVERAGING ACROSS THE BOARD TO HAVE THIS ACTUALLY CRUSHED UP INTO THE.

ANOTHER THING IS WE DID A BACKGROUND ON A LOT OF THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE USED GILBERTSON AS WELL. HE WAS ONE OF THE ONLY GENTLEMEN WHEN WE WERE TALKING TO THEM THAT ACTUALLY CAME ON SITE, CAME DOWN AND EXPLAINED EVERYTHING TO US.

AND WHEN IT ACTUALLY CAME DOWN TO IT, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WE WERE IMPRESSED WITH IS WE WERE PREDICTING IT.

IT WAS ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND AND HE CAME BACK AT EIGHTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED, WHICH NOBODY WOULD HAVE KNOWN ANY DIFFERENCE IF IT WAS THE OTHER WAY AROUND THAT WAY. SO IT ACTUALLY SAVED US MONEY THAT WAY AS WELL.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, WE COULD LOOK INTO SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR EQUIPMENT IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE WILL ALWAYS BE DOING THIS PROCESS.

BUT THE OTHER THING WE'VE ALSO NOTICED TOO IS THAT AS WE GET INTO THE ROAD PROJECTS, WE ARE NOW PUTTING IT INTO OUR TENDERS TO HAVE OUR ROADS MILLED LIKE WE DID ON POPLAR THIS YEAR. SO WE ALSO GOT MORE OF THE PRODUCT FROM THAT PROCESS AS WELL.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ELIMINATING US, TAKING OUT BIG SECTIONS OF ROAD WITH CHUNKS OF ASPHALT THAT WE HAVE TO BRING TO THE LANDFILL TO CRUSH UP LATER ON.

WE'RE NOW STARTING TO DO THAT DURING OUR PROJECTS AND REUSE THE ACTUAL PRODUCT.

I AGREE WITH THE SOLE SOURCE IN LOOKING AT THAT, BUT GILBERTSON WAS ONE OF THE ONLY ONES.

AND THEN WE GOT CALLS FROM A COUPLE OF OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HEARD THAT WE WERE DOING THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING RESPONSES FROM ANYBODY AT THIS POINT.

THE OTHER POINT TO WHY TIME IS IN THE ESSENCE IS BECAUSE THIS PRODUCT WE WANT TO GET IT CRUSHED IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE ANYWHERE FROM FOUR WEEKS TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE WHOLE CRUSHING PROCESS.

AND THEN I WANT TO BE ABLE TO LAY IT DOWN ONTO THE NEW AREAS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO LAY IT DOWN IN THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER.

SO WE REALLY NEED THAT HOT WEATHER TO LAY THIS DOWN AND THEN THAT INCREASES OUR PERCENTAGES OF IT REALLY BINDING TOGETHER PROPERLY.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY I'M TRYING TO PUSH THE PROJECT THROUGH.

WE DIDN'T WANT TO JUMP AND DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT TOO EARLY ON THIS.

SO THERE WAS THAT IDEA OF AN RFP.

BUT THEN AGAIN, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT A COMPANY MOBILIZING AND COMING DOWN FROM MAYBE POSSIBLY TORONTO.

AND I'M NOT THINKING YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANY BETTER OF A DEAL THAN WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT 1695, POSSIBLY FIFTEEN.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL.

AND HOW GOOD GILBERTSON'S BEEN ACTUALLY WITH THE CITY ON ALL THIS SO FAR TO DATE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP, MY QUESTION WAS ON THE REASON FOR SOUL SOURCING.

I BELIEVE I'VE HEARD THE ANSWER.

A FOLLOW UP THOUGH IS WHY ARE WE CONSIDERING DOING THINGS LIKE THE PARKING LOT AT THE SKI HILL? NO, I HAVE TO GRADE THE ROAD AND THE LOT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT.

SO TO ANSWER THAT, YES, CORRECT, WE WOULD BRING IN OUR OWN GUYS TO GRADE THE ACTUAL PARKING LOT TO HAVE IT PREPARED NOW WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT ABOVE AND BEYOND, IT'S A LOT OF THE OTHER LOCAL CONTRACTORS THAT MIGHT HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE WITH ASPHALT WHEN YOU LAY IT DOWN AND GRADE IT THEN ACTUALLY PACK IT.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT, THAT AFTER THE FACT OF HIRING SOME LOCAL CONTRACTORS AND THAT. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO ANSWER TO THE SOLE SOURCING IS IT ALLOWS US TO SEE HOW GOOD OF A JOB GILBERTSON DOES THIS YEAR.

WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO SECOND AND THIRD YEAR BY ANY MEANS.

IF WE HAD TO GO BACK TO RFP BECAUSE WE WEREN'T HAPPY WITH THE WORK, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK AT FOR NEXT YEAR AND PUT OUT AN RFP.

SO IT'S ONLY SOLE SOURCING FOR THE THIRD OF THE PILE FOR THIS YEAR.

WHEN WE TAKE ON A PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PARKING LOT AND I WOULD TAKE IT IT'S THE ROAD INTO THE SKI HILL ALSO.

YES, CORRECT. THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CUBIC METERS TO USE IT IN THAT OPERATION.

AND THAT CAN ALL BE DONE WITHIN THE APPROVED BUDGET.

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YEAH, SO THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT IS WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THAT AS WELL AS MANY OF THE SMALLER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE ALREADY IDENTIFYING ON THE LIST TOO ALL FOR THIS YEAR UNDER THAT BUDGETED AMOUNT OF TWO HUNDRED FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND.

AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, WE WERE GOING TO DO IT AT ONE POINT.

WE WERE GOING TO BRING IT FORWARD TO COUNCIL BEFORE THE CAPITAL BUDGET PROCESS AND TRY IT AS ONE BIG. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SEVEN HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND.

BY THE TIME WE SAT DOWN WITH THE ENGINEERS, WE BROKE IT UP INTO THREE PROJECTS OF THREE YEARS OF TWO HUNDRED FIFTY THOUSAND FOR EACH YEAR.

AND IT MADE IT THAT.

AND BY THE TIME I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT IT, THE SAND PILE THAT YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE DRIVING PAST THE HIGHWAY, WELL, THAT'S THIRTY FIVE HUNDRED CUBIC METERS OF SAND THAT WE USE FOR IN THE WINTER.

SO YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW BIG THE PILE OF SIX THOUSAND CUBIC METERS IS GOING TO BE.

AND WHEN WE IDENTIFIED AREAS LIKE THE SKI HILL, THEY WERE LARGE AREAS TOO LIKE IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR THAT AS WELL AS IT TAKES UP QUITE A BIT.

ANOTHER THING, TOO, IS THAT AMY COULD ALSO COMMENT ON IS WE HAVE TO MARK DOWN THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING WITH OUR FEDERAL GAS TAX MONEY, AND THEY ARE VERY INTERESTED IN THIS PROJECT. IT ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE FRONT PAGE PROJECTS BECAUSE IT RELATES WITH ENVIRONMENT, TOURISM AND RECREATION.

AND SO THEY'RE VERY HAPPY AND THEY WANT PHOTOS OF EVERYTHING PRIOR TO IT AND SEEING HOW THE OPEN COMES. BUT VERY, VERY YOU DON'T USUALLY HEAR BACK FROM THEM.

AND WE'VE GOT CALLS BACK FROM THEM ON THEIR INTEREST ON ALL OF THIS.

AND I'M HAPPY FOR THEM.

AS FOR US I JUST GO BACK TO THE BIT OF SOLE SOURCING.

THIS DIDN'T COME ABOUT YESTERDAY.

THIS HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE.

AND IT MIGHT GIVE COUNCIL A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS AND THINK ABOUT THE COSTS INVOLVED IN THESE PROJECTS AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF SOLE SOURCING IF THEY HAD A LITTLE MORE TIME.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT CONSIDERATION PERHAPS IN THE NEXT TIME THIS COMES AROUND.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

I KEEP KNOCKING THIS SILLY THING OFF.

THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH, I THINK IT IS A GREAT PROJECT, AS WE DISCUSSED ON THE PHONE THE OTHER DAY, AND I AGREE WITH THIS 100 PERCENT.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO GET A REAL GOOD FEEL FOR WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT'S INVOLVED, AND I THINK THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A VERY PRUDENT WAY TO GO FORWARD.

THE ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THESE KIND OF PROJECTS, THEY SHOULD COME TO THE COMMITTEE FIRST. THAT GIVES EVERYBODY A CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE A COMMITTEE MEETING AND WHY THIS WASN'T BROUGHT OUT, BUT MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD BE DISCUSSING IN THE FUTURE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OK, AGAIN, THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH VERY EXCITING PROJECT, ALONG WITH THE, YOU KNOW, COVERING ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, OF REUSE AND RECYCLE.

I LOVE THE CONCEPT AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE DONE HERE.

I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR TURNER.

OPPOSED. COUNCILLOR MANN.

FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN FAVOR. OKAY I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. SIX POINT TWO MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR OF CLERKS AND PLANNING SERVICES, RESIGNATION FROM COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT MEMO.

PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM GABRIEL FABRES OF HIS RESIGNATION FROM THE COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT.

FOLLOWING RESOLUTION AS RECOMMENDED THAT THE RESIGNATION OF GABRIEL FABRES FROM THE COMMITTEE OF ADJUSTMENT BE RECEIVED WITH REGRETS, AND THAT CLERK BE DIRECTED TO ADVERTISE THE VACANCY. CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE, AGAIN WITH REGRETS, NOT SURE IF ANYONE HAS ANY FURTHER COMMENTS COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU THROUGH YOU. NORMALLY WE RECEIVE A COPY OF THE RESIGNATION LETTER AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE DIDN'T.

I THINK MR. FEBRES IS A VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE GENTLEMAN AND WE'RE LOSING A MAJOR ASSET.

LOSING HIM FROM COMMITTEE SO I WOULD HAVE APPRECIATED KNOWING WHY WE'RE LOSING HIM.

IT IS VERY MUCH WITH REGRETS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SOMEBODY OF HIS CALIBER ON THAT

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COMMITTEE. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO.

WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SEND A COPY OF THAT TO COUNCIL? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. MY APOLOGIES.

THERE WAS NO REAL REASON, HE JUST SAID IT WAS A TIME TO MOVE ON.

THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG.

HE JUST HAS ENJOYED HIS TIME WITH THE COMMITTEE, AND HAS CHOSE TO STEP DOWN, BUT I CAN SEND THAT OUT FOR SURE. OKAY THANK YOU MS. BRAY. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IT IS WITH REGRETS, MR. FEBRES HAS BEEN A STALWART ON A NUMBER OF COMMITTEES AND A GREAT CONTRIBUTOR.

SO I HOPE HE PARTAKES IN COMMITTEES IN THE FUTURE AND STILL STAYS INVOLVED WITH THE CITY.

THANK YOU COUNCILLOR TURNER. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. NONE.

ECHO COUNCILLOR PATRIE AND COUNCILLOR TURNER FOR SURE, AND I THINK MR. FEBRES FOR HIS TIME SPENT WITH THE MUNICIPALITY.

AND I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR. AND I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU. SIX POINT THREE MEMO FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, RECREATION HUB DESIGN COST TO DATE.

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, AND I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU, MR. GAGNON. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THIS IS JUST AN ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE MORE CONTEXT TO THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED ON THE MAY 10TH COUNCIL MEETING WHERE THE HUB COMMITTEE HAD MADE THE RECOMMENDATION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PURSUE AN RFP FOR A QUALIFIED, DETAILED DESIGN OF THE PARED DOWN HUB, WHICH ONCE THE CURLING CLUB, THE CURLING SHEETS AND THE LARGE GYM STYLE AREA WAS REMOVED WE'RE LOOKING AT A POOL ARENA, WALKING TRACK AND SOME COMMUNITY ROOMS AT APPROXIMATE COST OF TWENTY SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS.

THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT WAS ALREADY EXPENDED ON DESIGNS IN 2009 THROUGH 11 TIMEFRAME FOR THE HUB AT THE TIME, WHICH WAS THE POOL ARENA AND THE LIBRARY.

SO THIS WAS AN ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE SOME OF THAT CONTEXT.

IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THAT FIRM HAS HIRED, CANNON DESIGNS AT AN APPROXIMATE COST OF FOUR HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.

AND THEN WE MOVED ON THE CITY HAD HIRED COLLIERS IN 2016 AND 17 TO DO SOME NEEDS ANALYSIS AND COMMUNITY CONSULTATION.

AND THEN WE STARTED USING THE FIRMS OF TULLOCH ENGINEERING BASED ON THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

ON RETAINER IS OUR ENGINEERS AND ALSO THE FIRM IDEA ARCHITECTS FROM SAULT STE MARIE THAT'S BEEN MORE RECENT AT AN APPROXIMATE COST OF SIXTY OR SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS. WHICH BRINGS US UP TO THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAD OF THE HUB COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION FOR PURSUING FUNDING, POSSIBLY FOR THE DETAILED DESIGN PHASE OF THE TWENTY SEVEN MILLION DOLLAR HUB.

AND SO I JUST THAT'S MY ATTEMPT TO LAY IT OUT IN THE MEMO, TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT ABOUT SOME OF THE COSTS. IT'S NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF ALL THE COSTS THAT WERE DONE FOR THE OLDER HUB. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL REALLY WANTS TO SEE THE ONGOING DETAILS.

BUT THE SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE DESIGN OF THE FORMER HUB WAS IN A SIMILAR JUST SIMPLY IRONICALLY SIMILAR TO A COST ESTIMATE.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS USED THEN WE KNOW WHAT THE SCOPE OF WORK PROPOSED IS FOR THE TWENTY SEVEN MILLION DOLLAR VERSION FOR THE DETAILED DESIGN, BUT NOT TO THE POINT OF CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WASTING TOO MUCH MONEY ON DESIGNS THAT WILL BECOME STALE DATED WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE CAPITAL PHASE WILL BEGIN. SO THERE IS A POTENTIAL OF THE NOHFC FUNDING THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS TO THAT AND SOME CONSTRAINTS THAT COULD BE PROBLEMATIC WHEN WE GO TO A FUNDING, IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT AND SUBJECT TO ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL HAVE, THAT'S JUST MY ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT WHILE I WAS AWAY ON THE MAY 10TH COUNCIL MEETING.

OKAY THANK YOU MR. GAGNON. WELCOME BACK, BY THE WAY.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, I APPRECIATE THE REPORT THAT IS HERE, BUT I WAS EXPECTING A FULL

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ANALYSIS OF WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT BASED ON THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED AT THAT MEETING.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN SPENT FROM 2016 TO DATE CURRENTLY BEFORE WE SPEND ANOTHER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPECTING AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS EXPECTING WHY IT WAS DEFERRED UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING IN JUNE.

IT IS SUBSTANTIAL.

THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAT IS REQUIRED IF THE BALANCE OF COUNCIL WANTS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WAS SPENT FROM 2009 AND 2010 ON THE APPLICATION THAT WE WERE APPROVED AND THEN DENIED.

THAT'S AT THE WILL OF COUNCIL.

BUT I WOULD LIKE THIS TO STAY AS THE DEFERRAL HAD STATED, AND IT COMES BACK AT THE JUNE 21ST MEETING WITH ALL THE COSTS THAT WE HAVE SPENT TO DATE FROM 2016 TO CURRENT BEFORE WE SPEND ANOTHER HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

I'LL LET ANYBODY SPEAK BEFORE I ACTUALLY PUT THAT.

DO WE NEED A DEFERRAL TO DO THAT, OR DO WE JUST LEAVE THIS OFF? I WILL PUT A MOTION TO DEFER IF REQUIRED.

I DON'T BELIEVE COUNCILLOR PATRIE THAT YOU NEED TO DEFER THE MEMO, BUT WE GET BACK TO 9 .6 AND IF THE INFORMATION'S NOT SATISFACTORY IN UNFINISHED BUSINESS, THEN THAT CAN REMAIN ON THE AGENDA UNTIL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COMES THIS IS JUST A REPORT.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOUR WORSHIP, I DO AS WELL APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE, AND IF WE WERE TO ADD UP THOSE NUMBERS THAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS LOOKING FOR, I THINK I THINK THE EXERCISE IS JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHERE WE ARE COMPARED TO THE INITIAL PROCESS.

THIS AS WELL TIES INTO THE RESERVE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SHORTLY.

AND I THINK IT ALL TIES TOGETHER.

WE HAVE SOME VERY IMPORTANT JOBS THAT NEED COMPLETING AND WE HAVE RESOURCE MATTERS TO DISCUSS.

AND THE PICTURE IS.

WELL, IT'LL BE AS ROSY AS WE WANT IT TO BE OR AS CHALLENGING AS, AGAIN, WE CHOOSE, WE'VE GOT SOME SIGNIFICANT WEATHER.

WE AND IN CONVERSATIONS EARLIER TODAY WITH MR. GAGNON, I INDICATED, WELL, WE CAN TALK ABOUT BUILDING TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF NEW CAPITAL ASSETS FOR THIS COMMUNITY, WHICHEVER WAY WE SLICE IT, WHETHER IT'S FIFTEEN AND THIRTY FIVE OR 20 AND 30, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ALMOST 50 MILLION DOLLARS TWO BUILDS.

ARE THOSE REASONABLE WITH THE CURRENT CLIMATE AND COUNCILLOR PEARCE STARTED DOWN A PATH TWO MEETINGS AGO ABOUT TALKING ABOUT IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO COME TO FRUITION OR NOT? AND I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY HEFTY DECISIONS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE OVER THE NEXT LET'S CALL IT THE SUMMER HEADING INTO BUDGET.

WHERE DO WE WANT TO BE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR? AND I GUESS SOME OF THE INFORMATION IS BEFORE US AND WHETHER THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT WE NEED, I THINK I'VE SEEN ENOUGH TO START MAKING SOME REASONABLE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT'S AVAILABLE FUNDING WISE AND WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR RESERVES TO START MAKING SOME IMPORTANT DECISIONS FOR THE MUNICIPALITY.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL, AND I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE WORK SO FAR.

SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ABOUT THIS REPORT? COUNCILLOR PEARCE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO.

MR. GAGNON, I DO APPRECIATE THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT POINTS OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PRIOR TO YOU GOING ON HOLIDAYS, AS A MATTER OF FACT.

IT SEEMS VERY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT SOME VERY SERIOUS DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE IN TERMS OF WHAT EXACTLY WE CAN AFFORD TO DO AND WHAT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO DO.

AND THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A HECK OF A LOT MORE INFORMATION ON THIS, BUT IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL TO DO SO, THAT'S FINE.

MY OWN FEELING IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND I HAVE BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF MS. SONNENBURG, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL COST THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IF WE HAVE TO BUILD THIS 30 MILLION DOLLAR HUB WITH, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW, IS A MAXIMUM OF TWO MILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING. HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT AND WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST US? IF WE PARE THAT DOWN TO BUILDING THE ARENA FIRST AND THEN DOING OTHER PROJECTS LATER, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO COST US AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND IT? IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY GOING FORWARD THAT WE COULD GET FUNDING FOR SOME OF THESE

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PROJECTS THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING FUNDING FOR RIGHT NOW? WHAT IS THE MOST CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS TO BE DONE AND WHAT ISN'T THE MOST CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS TO BE DONE? I THINK THAT'S REALISTICALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS.

AS I'VE SAID, AND I BELIEVE VERY FIRMLY, THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET ANY SUBSTANTIAL MONEY FROM ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT THERE GOING INTO ELECTION MODE, PROBABLY IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER FOR THE FEDS, IT'LL BE MARCH OF NEXT YEAR, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING IN FOR THE PROVINCE AND CITIES GO INTO THEIR ELECTION MODE IN THE FALL OF 2022.

THAT'S ONE OF THE TIMELINES WE'RE FACING.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING DECISIONS, WE HAVE TO BE MAKING THEM FAIRLY QUICKLY.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A VERY DETAILED DISCUSSION ON EXACTLY WHERE WE WANT TO GO AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT.

AND MY BIGGEST CONCERN IN THIS WHOLE THING IS THAT IT'S GOING TO JUST DIE ON THE VINE IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS NOW.

BUT AND WHAT MY SECOND BIGGEST CONCERN IS I DON'T THINK WE CAN PAY FOR ALL OF THIS.

THERE'S JUST NO WAY IN GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT WE CAN PAY FOR ALL THIS.

AS COUNCILLOR MANN HAS POINTED OUT FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS IS A HECK OF A LOT OF MONEY.

I KNOW WE GOT FUNDING FOR ONE PROJECT OR WE THINK WE HAVE FUNDING FOR ONE PROJECT.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

AND WE HAVE TO START LOOKING REALISTICALLY AT WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO DO AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU.

I DON'T THINK FOR ME, THE IMPORTANT THING TODAY IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE'VE ALREADY SPENT.

I NEED TO SEE ENGINEER REPORTS ON WHAT WE NEED TO SPEND TO KEEP OUR FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE NOW OPEN UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE IS BUILT.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE POOL.

I KNOW WE PUT MONEY INTO THE ARENA THAT WOULD GIVE US SOME YEARS OUT OF IT.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE'RE GOING TO SELL FINANCES OR HOW WE'RE DOING THIS, WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE HAVE. AND I NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THAT'S GOING TO BE AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT FIRST AND THEN TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET ALL THIS MONEY FOR THIS HUB. AND AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED WITH THOSE.

I DON'T WANT US TO BE WITHOUT A POOL FOR FIVE YEARS BECAUSE WE'VE GONE DOWN THE WRONG PATH AND NOT TAKING CARE OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF.

THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THE SHAPE WE'RE IN TODAY.

I KNOW THEY'RE OLDER BUILDINGS, BUT I THINK A LOT OF THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IN A LOT OF WAYS, BUT THERE'S NO SENSE GOING BACKWARDS NOW.

BUT FOR ME, I NEED TO SEE I'VE HEARD VERBAL REPORTS, BUT NOBODY HAS COME TO US AND SAID THAT A, B, C, D, E AND F AT THE POOL NEED TO BE FIXED OR ABCD AT THE ARENA.

AND I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS A POOL AND AN ARENA WHILE WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE REST OF THIS.

THANK YOU MR. GAGNON, DO WE STILL HAVE THE DETAILED ENGINEERING REPORTS THAT KIND OF GIVE US A TIME FRAME? WE DO.

SO I THINK MAYBE WITH MR. ANTUNES AND MS. SONNENBURG'S HELP, WE CAN JUST BASICALLY REFORMAT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF THE INFORMATION AND IF NOT ALL, WE JUST NEED TO SORT OF LAY IT BACK OUT IN A DIFFERENT SORT OF FORMAT AND TRY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR A FUTURE MEETING, WHETHER IT'S IN WHATEVER FORMAT COUNCIL WISHES, SO THAT WE CAN GET A BETTER HANDLE. BUT WE HAVE ALL THAT WE LOOKED AT THE HVAC OR THE PLANTS OF ALL THE FACILITIES.

WE KNOW STRUCTURALLY THE POOL IS FINE.

WE MADE THE INVESTMENTS IN THE ARENA, HOWEVER, THOSE AT A TIME LIMITATION OF UP TO FIVE YEARS. SO THE CLOCK IS TICKING.

BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT FIVE YEARS AN THAT DAY WE ARE CLOSING THE POOL AGAIN, IT WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE MORE ANALYSIS TO SEE HOW THE ROOF HAS BEEN HOLDING UP.

WE'VE BEEN LUCKY AFTER THE PUNISHING WINTER OF 2019 WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF EASY, EASY GOING WINTERS. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS YET.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO REVIEW THAT.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE INFORMATION THAT COUNCILLOR FINAMORE IS LOOKING FOR.

WE JUST NEED TO LAY IT OUT MAYBE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND TO TRY TO FACILITATE THOSE DECISIONS THAT COUNCIL NEED TO MAKE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

BECAUSE I DO AGREE WE NEED DIRECTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

THANK YOU SO NOT THE WHOLE BIBLE THICK REPORTS ON EACH FACILITY, BUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR COUNCIL TO LOOK AT AS A TIMELINE AND THE COSTING FOR THAT, THAT TIMELINE FOR THOSE REPAIRS COME IN HANDY.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE, WHEN WE SPENT THE MILLION DOLLARS ON THE ARENA, IT WASN'T FIVE YEARS, IT WAS 5 TO 20 YEARS, IT WAS FIVE YEARS IF WE DIDN'T PUT A ROOF ON IT, WE PUT

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THE ROOF ON IT AS WELL.

SO PROVIDING WE MAINTAIN THAT ROOF AND MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T LEAK, WE WILL GET A LOT MORE THAN FIVE YEARS OUT OF THAT FACILITY AS WELL.

I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP SPENDING MONEY EVERY YEAR ON ALL OF OUR ASSETS TO KEEP THEM VIABLE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING DETERIORATE.

NO MORE COLLAPSES.

THE REST OF IT I'LL DEAL WITH WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT ITEM.

OK MR. GAGNON. JUST SORRY, SIDEBAR TO THE POOL, WE ARE MAKING AN INVESTMENT OF ALMOST THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A DEHUMIDIFIER, SO THIS YEAR, SO WE ARE STILL MAKING THE INVESTMENTS TO KEEP THE PLANTS OPERATIONAL.

BUT WE NEED TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AHEAD AS COUNCILLOR FINAMORE WAS POINTING OUT SO WE CAN GET OUT OF THAT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS WITH THIS REPORT? SEEING NONE WE HAVE MOTION TO RECEIVE.

ROLL CALL VOTE, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR TURNER.

OPPOSED. I STILL WANT THE FULL REPORT.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

IN FAVOR. AND COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR. OK, I'M IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU, THAT'S RECEIVED.

SIX POINT FOUR MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR OF CLERKS AND PLANNING SERVICES OFFER TO PURCHASE VARIOUS MUNICIPAL PROPERTIES AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH THE POTENTIAL DISPOSITION OF LAND BY THE MUNICIPALITY MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 23 [INAUDIBLE] 92 C OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT. DO I HAVE A MOVER TO PUT THAT IN CLOSED PLEASE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, THANK YOU, ANY QUESTION QUALMS QUERIES? SEEING NONE ROLL CALL VOTE.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

AND I'M IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED TO CLOSED SESSION.

THANK YOU. SIX POINT FIVE MEMO FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER UPDATE ON ONGOING LITIGATION INSURANCE ISSUES.

AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH LITIGATION OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION AFFECTING THE MUNICIPALITY MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 2392 E OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER TO PUT THAT IN CLOSED SESSION PLEASE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

NONE. ROLL CALL ONCE AGAIN, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THE REPORT THAT WE HAVE ISN'T LITIGATION AGAINST US.

I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT LITIGATION AGAINST THE CITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD BE DEALING WITH IT IN CLOSED SESSION.

POTENTIAL LITIGATION AFFECTING THE MUNICIPALITY AND IT ALSO STATES INSURANCE ISSUE.

WE LOST COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

I CAN SAY THAT IT IS ONGOING LITIGATION INVOLVING THE CITY WITHOUT QUESTION.

SO IF THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THIS MUST BE [INAUDIBLE].

AGAIN, IT'S COUNCIL'S CALL, BUT I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION FOR CLIENTS LIST OR PRIVILEGE IN ADDITION TO LITIGATION UNDER MUNICIPAL ACT.

OKAY.

SO WE LOST COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WITH THIS GOING INTO THE CLOSED SESSION? I'M HOPING COUNCILLOR PATRIE HEARD THE ANSWER WHEREVER YOU DISAPPEARED TO.

NOW, ROLL CALL VOTE, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

FAVOR. AND I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED TO CLOSED.

[7. PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS]

SEVEN PRESENTATION COMMITTEE REPORT, 7.1 REFERRAL FROM FINANCE AND ADMIN COMMITTEE, APRIL 2021 UNAUDITED STATEMENT OF FINANCIAL POSITION COUNCILLOR MANN.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. AT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE HELD ON MONDAY, MAY 17TH, 2021, THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE MEMO OF THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCIAL SERVICES AND TREASURER REGARDING THE APRIL 2021 UNAUDITED STATEMENT OF FINANCIAL POSITION BE RECEIVED AND FORWARDED TO COUNCIL FOR INFORMATION AND I SO MOVE.

SECONDER PLEASE.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP STATEMENT, AS INDICATED TO THE END OF APRIL.

WE HAVE SO FAR A SURPLUS OF FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY NINE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY ONE DOLLARS. THIS IS PARTIALLY AS A RESULT OF ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE PANDEMIC, WHICH IS BEING HELD ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RESERVE.

AGAIN, A LOT OF PROJECTS HAVE NOT BEGUN.

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SO IT'S STILL RELATIVELY EARLY INTO OUR YEAR.

BUT WE WERE I BELIEVE THE TERM THAT THE TREASURER USED WAS CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC.

THIS WILL CONTINUE THROUGHOUT 2021.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR MANN.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR TURNER . JUST A QUESTION, I GUESS, FOR COUNCILLOR MANN READING THE TREASURER'S REPORT, IT INDICATES IT'S A FORECAST TO YEAR END BEING A SURPLUS OF FOUR HUNDRED AND THIRTY NINE THOUSAND. IS THAT A MISSTATEMENT? AND THE INTENT IS TO USE IT UP FOR PROJECTS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE TREASURER, COUNCILLOR TURNER, HOWEVER, OBVIOUSLY LOTS OF VARIABLES CAN IMPACT OUR CURRENT POSITION BETWEEN NOW AND THEN.

SO I WOULD SAY THAT AT THIS POINT, THAT'S WHAT THE FORECAST IS.

WHETHER WE HIT THAT TARGET OR NOT DEPENDS ON MANY VARIABLES, INCLUDING SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE FOR THE BALANCE OF THE YEAR.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MANN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AS YOU STATED, COUNCILLOR MANN, VERY EARLY IN THE YEAR, A LOT OF PROJECTS HAVEN'T STARTED AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT TYPES OF EMERGENCIES ARE GOING TO POP UP THAT MIGHT EAT AWAY AT SOME OF THE SURPLUS.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE MAY HAVE STAFF COMING BACK WITH BELOW BUDGET EXPENSES AND THAT SURPLUS MAY GROW SO. STILL EARLY IN THE YEAR.

BUT THANK YOU MS. SONNENBURG FOR THIS QUARTERLY UPDATE FOR SURE.

CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE.

STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR TURNER.

IN FAVOR AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT MY IPAD HAS KICKED ME OUT.

I'M TRYING TO WORK ON MY PHONE WHILE I GET MY IPAD WORKING AGAIN.

ALL GOOD COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

IN FAVOR. AND I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED.

7.2 REFERRAL FROM THE FINANCE AND ADMIN COMMITTEE, DISCRETIONARY RESERVES REPORT AND CAPITAL FORECAST FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF COUNCIL.

COUNCILLOR MANN ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP AT THE SAME MEETING OF THE FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION COMMITTEE HELD ON MONDAY, MAY 17TH 2021 THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED AT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TREASURER REGARDING DISCRETIONARY RESERVE REPORT AND CAPITAL FORECAST BE RECEIVED AND THAT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE CONSIDER THE STATE OF RESERVES AND THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL FORECAST WHEN CONSIDERING MUNICIPAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE RESERVES IN THE 2022 OPERATING BUDGET.

AND I SO MOVE.

SECONDER PLEASE.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. THIS IS ONE REPORT THAT I THINK MOST OF COUNCIL HAS BEEN WANTING AND DISCUSSING FOR SOME TIME NOW.

AS THE RESOLUTION READ, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A STATUS REPORT ON WHERE OUR RESERVES ARE.

OUR RESERVES ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO A NUMBER OF THEM.

HOWEVER, THE DISCRETIONARY COMPONENT IS ONE THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ABILITY TO USE, IF REQUIRED, FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS.

I GUESS THE TIMING OF THIS, AND I DO APPRECIATE MS. SONNENBURG'S WORK IN GETTING THIS DONE IN A VERY TIMELY MANNER.

I GUESS MY HOPE FOR THE REPORT TONIGHT IS TO START A DIALOG WITH COUNCIL TO COME PREPARED AT BUDGET WHEN WE DO START IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE TIMING THAT WE'RE STILL ALL INTENDING. AND I THINK THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO BEGIN AND BE DONE BEFORE NOVEMBER OR MID MID-NOVEMBER FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND TO DISCUSS WHAT ARE REASONABLE LEVELS OF RESERVES, IT ALSO FLOWS OUT INTO OUR INVESTMENT POLICY AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS AND WHAT RATES OF RETURN ARE REASONABLE AND WHAT IS OUR THRESHOLD FOR TOLERANCE FOR POTENTIALLY RISK REGARDING THAT POLICY? THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT THE BEST.

HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THE WORST EITHER.

BUT CONSIDERING THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD IN THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE TALKING OF IN EXCESS OF 40 MILLION DOLLARS, WHETHER IT'S 50 MILLION FOR TWO PROJECTS OR NOT, LET'S CALL IT OVER 40, JUST FOR ARGUMENT'S SAKE.

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AND WE HAVE CERTAIN RESERVES THAT ARE DEPLETED AND ACTUALLY ARE IN THE RED.

AND THAT'S A BIT OF A CONCERN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

WE IN THE PAST, DISCRETIONARY RESERVES HAVE BEEN USED IN WAYS TO SUPPORT PROJECTS THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY HAVE BEEN WHERE THAT RESERVE WAS ALLOCATED.

AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE OF CONCERN TO ME.

SO REALLY, WHAT IS OUR TOLERANCE? WHAT IS OUR NUMBER RIGHT NOW, THESE DISCRETIONARY RESERVES? AGAIN, IT'S A VERY DETAILED REPORT.

SO OFF THE TOP, LOOKING FOR IT QUICKLY.

I BELIEVE IT'S JUST OVER FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.

SO IN ESSENCE, HOW FAR CAN WE GET WITH FIVE MILLION DOLLARS OF COMPLETELY DISCRETIONARY RESERVES OVER THE NEXT NUMBER OF YEARS BASED ON THE REPORT THAT WE HAVE? AND THERE ARE TIMELINES OF VEHICLES AND BUILDINGS AND PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THOSE FIVE YEARS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS AND WE NEED TO TAKE SERIOUSLY.

SO ESSENTIALLY, WHAT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL? HERE'S OUR HOMEWORK TO DIGEST OVER THE SUMMER.

AND LET'S ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES IN SEPTEMBER AND HAVE SOME TIME TO REALLY HAVE SOME FRUITFUL DISCUSSION ON WHERE WE NEED TO GO, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE STARTING POINT OF THAT DISCUSSION, SO I THINK I'LL LEAVE IT THERE.

I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT OF AN UPDATE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR MANN.

YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD IN MANY AREAS, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DETAILED REPORT AND I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR MS. SONNENBURG FOR THE BREAKDOWN.

SHE GIVES US A HISTORY FROM 2010 THROUGH TO RIGHT NOW, WHICH LOOKS LIKE A STRONG FINANCIAL POSITION AND THEN CONTINUES ON FOR A FEW MORE YEARS AS THE NON DISCRETIONARY FUNDS GET SPENT ON VARIOUS PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ASIDE FOR.

BT AGAIN, VERY, VERY DETAILED, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A LENGTHY, DETAILED DEBATE ON THIS TONIGHT.

I'M HOPING THAT THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE 2022 BUDGET COMMITTEE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE MAJOR DEBATE BELONGS.

BUT FOR ANYONE WATCHING AT HOME, VERY GOOD REPORT.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE NUMBERS ARE AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S DIFFERENT PURSES FOR FUNDING BECAUSE THAT'S A HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING IN COMMUNITY FOR MANY PEOPLE, WHEN THEY LOOK AT WELL THE CITY HAS ALL THIS MONEY TO SPEND, WHY DON'T YOU SPEND 20 MILLION DOLLARS JUST ON ROADS THIS YEAR? AND YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW, RESERVES WHERE THE PURSES ARE, HOW HOW THE FUNDS ARE ALLOCATED. SO IT'S A VERY HELPFUL PIECE OF WORK.

WHY WE WILL GO AROUND THE TABLE COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MS. SONNENBURG, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU.

I THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL REPORT.

WELL DONE. GIVES US THE DETAIL WE NEED TO SIT DOWN.

AND AS COUNCILLOR MANN HAS POINTED OUT, TO STUDY THIS AND TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A VERY FIRM GRASP OF WHAT OUR FINANCIAL REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING FORWARD.

AND WHEN WE SIT DOWN IN THE BUDGET PROCESS IN THE FALL, THAT EVERYBODY IS WELL VERSED IN WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. I AGREE, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE NIGHT TO HAVE A MAJOR DEBATE ON IT, I JUST THINK THIS IS A NIGHT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS, BECAUSE YOU'VE GIVEN US AS COUNCILLOR MANN CALLS IT HOMEWORK FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU.

THIS IS THE DETAILED REPORT AND I KNOW THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY, FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO RECREATION, HAVE TO SHARPEN THEIR PENCILS AND PITCH IN TO GET THIS TOGETHER.

SO I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND THEIR STAFF FOR COMMITTING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND HELP OUR TREASURER DELIVER SUCH A GREAT REPORT.

WE BY LOOKING AT THIS REPORT.

I'M PLEASANTLY SURPRISED TO A DEGREE, MANY OF OUR RESERVES ARE WELL FUNDED AND WELL FOCUSED, OUR DISCRETIONARY RESERVES ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE THE WILD CARD AND AS COUNCILLOR MANN STATED, WE HAVE TO ROLL UP OUR SLEEVES AND DECIDE WHERE WE WANT TO BE IN FIVE YEARS. SO FOCUS WILL BE DIRECTED HEAVILY IN THAT CASE.

SO THANK YOU I LOOK FORWARD TO THE BUDGET.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MS. SONNENBURG I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT AND THE TIMELINESS OF IT, WHEN I DEFERRED IT AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IN JUNE, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IN JUNE.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT IT CAME FORWARD SO FAST BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VERY DETAILED AND I THINK IT'S VERY EASY TO READ.

AND I HOPE EVERYONE GOES INTO THE CITY WEBSITE AND TAKES A GOOD LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE I

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DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER COUNCILLORS BUT I'M GETTING BEAT UP OVER THE HEAD ABOUT ROADS.

AND THEN WHY AREN'T WE DOING ALL THE ROADS? NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY WITH STAFF AND WITH COMPANIES TO DO ALL THE ROADS IN ONE YEAR. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT, THAT THERE HAS TO BE A PROCESS AND THERE HAS TO BE A WAY THAT PUBLIC WORKS CAN DO THEIR JOB AND TO OVERLOAD THEM WITH TOO MUCH.

IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

AND THAT. YOU KNOW, I TRUST PUBLIC WORKS AND THE ENGINEERS TO DECIDE WHAT ROADS NEED TO BE DONE NEXT AND WHICH IS THE ONES THAT NEED TO HAVE PRIORITY.

AND THEN WE HAVE CATASTROPHIC THINGS HAPPEN, LIKE WATER MAINS BREAKING AND MAKING NEW JOBS AND SPENDING MORE MONEY THAN THAN WE BUDGETED FOR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT JUST HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S 60 YEARS OLD UNDER THE ROADS AS WELL AS ABOVE THE ROADS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE TAKES A GOOD LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE AT.

THERE'S A LOT OF ASKS FOR THE MONEY THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO PUT AHEAD.

THERE'S A LOT OF ASKS FOR THE MONEY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

AND I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE REALISTIC GOALS FOR WHAT WE DO WITH THIS MONEY FROM TAXPAYERS. IT'S TAXPAYERS MONEY, BUT WE HAVE TO RUN THE CITY AS WELL.

THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT A SPORTS HUB OR AN ARTS COMPLEX.

THIS IS ABOUT OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT'S ABOUT BEING ABLE TO GIVE OUR STAFF THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO DO THE JOBS THAT WE REQUIRE THEM TO DO TO KEEP OUR CITY MOVING FORWARD.

BUT THANK YOU, MS. SONNENBURG, FOR THE REPORT.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BUDGET DISCUSSIONS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU. I WATCHED THE F&A MEETING AND I WANT TO THANK MS. SONNENBURG, IT IS A VERY THOROUGH REPORT AND I LIKE COMMENTS THAT SHE SAID AT THAT MEETING. I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE COMMENTS AT THE TABLE ABOUT THE CONCERN.

ABOUT RAISING TAXES TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO DISCRETIONARY RESERVES, IF YOU READ APPENDIX TWO UNDERSTAND FROM 2010 TO 2015 AND MANY YEARS BEFORE THAT, NOT EVERYBODY WAS HERE BEFORE THAT. BUT ALL OF US THAT WERE STANDARD RESERVES IN THIS MUNICIPALITY WERE FIVE TO SIX MILLION DOLLARS.

WE DID PAVING EVERY YEAR FOR INFRASTRUCTURE WORK.

SINCE BEFORE THE 2000S, WE'VE BEEN PAVING PORTIONS OF THE MUNICIPALITY ANNUALLY.

SINCE 2015, WE'VE DONE TWO PAVING PROJECTS, WHICH IS [INAUDIBLE] AND PINE POPLAR.

I WOULD IMPLORE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THIS AND LISTEN TO WHAT OUR TREASURER SAID, EITHER WE HAVE TO PUT MORE MONEY IN OR WE HAVE TO START TO SPEND DIFFERENTLY.

SO REMEMBER, UNTIL 2015, OR 2016 NO 2015 IS WHEN IT CHANGES THE MUNICIPALITY OPERATED WITH A SIX MILLION DOLLAR RESERVE.

NOW WE'VE GOT OVER 20 MILLION DOLLARS IN RESERVES, WE'RE TAXING THE HECK OUT OF PEOPLE AND WE'RE NOT DOING ANY INFRASTRUCTURE WORK.

I JUST NEED COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO BE PRUDENT AND WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE MUNICIPALITY AND TAKE CARE OF THE TAXPAYERS.

SO WE'VE PUT AN ADDITIONAL.

ROUGHLY 15 MILLION DOLLARS IN RESERVES AND KEPT IT THERE AND SPENT SUBSTANTIALLY.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER BACK IN 2010, THE TAX BILL WAS, I THINK, SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. WE'VE ALMOST DOUBLED THAT.

WE HAVE TO LEARN TO SPEND RESPONSIBLY.

AND THAT'S MY PROBLEM.

IT IS AN AMAZING REPORT.

AND IF YOU TAKE THE TIME AND LOOK AT IT FROM 2010 TO 2022.

AND THEN LOOK FURTHER INTO THE 2025 ASPECT AND SEE HOW WE'RE SPENDING MONEY.

REMEMBER PEOPLE, IT'S NOT OUR MONEY, THIS IS THE TAXPAYERS MONEY AND WE'VE GOT TO STOP RAISING TAXES, JUST TO PUT MONEY IN RESERVE AND START DOING THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK THAT WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO DO PRIOR TO JUST PUTTING ALL THIS MONEY INTO RESERVES.

WE HAVE TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

SO I JUST HOPE THAT PRIOR TO GETTING INTO THE BUDGET, THE COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WE HAVE TO START TO BE A LOT MORE PRUDENT.

YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP GOING TO THE WELL.

THE WELL WILL RUN DRY.

OK, SO I DO HAVE COMMENTS ON THAT, NOT ALL THAT INFORMATION IS COMPLETELY CORRECT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET BINDERS OVER THE YEARS, AS I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO DEEP DEBATE THIS EVENING.

IT'S MORE FOR BUDGET COMMITTEE.

BUT COMING ON COUNCIL IN 2014, IN OUR FIRST BUDGET CYCLE, THE MONEY THAT WAS IN RESERVES, THERE WAS NO DISCRETIONARY.

THERE WAS ONLY RESERVES WERE LANDFILL AND ELDRC WHICH WAS MONEY WE COULDN'T TOUCH.

AND WE FOUND OUT THAT WE WERE RUNNING ON A NINE HUNDRED AND THIRTEEN THOUSAND DOLLAR

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OPERATING DEFICIT.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF COUNCILLOR MANN RECALLS THIS, BUT IT WAS A BIT OF A DEVASTATING BLOW FOR SOME HOPES AND DREAMS, BUT THOSE ARE IN THE BUDGET BINDERS ALSO ALL THAT INFORMATION WHICH I HAVE IN MY OFFICE.

AND I'M NOT TO HAVE NOTHING ILL TO SAY ABOUT THE 2010 TO 2014 COUNCIL.

YOU DID WHAT YOU COULD WITH WHAT YOU COULD.

BUT THE AMOUNT OF RESERVES WE HAVE NOW IS GOING INTO CRITICAL UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT JUST SHAVE AND PAVING ROADS.

THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY MR. MCGEE IN 2014, ALSO FOR THE 2015 BUDGET YEAR, THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF RESURFACING, BUT NO UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE AND IT WAS AT NO FAULT OF THE PREVIOUS COUNCILS IS JUST HOW THE MONEY WAS. SO DEFINITELY BE AN INTERESTING DEBATE COME BUDGET, WHOEVER IS THE BUDGET CHAIR, POSSIBLY COUNCILLOR MANN SOMETHING FOR YOU TO LOOK FORWARD TO, BUT I'D BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO REFER THIS TO THE 2022 BUDGET COMMITTEE IF POSSIBLE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, THANK YOU, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS ON THE REFERRAL? COUNCILLOR MANN. NO, I THINK YOUR WORSHIP, THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE THIS GOES, AND I THINK I'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS OF ALL COUNCILLORS, THE DEBATE OF THE SPECIFIC RESERVES, AND THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE [INAUDIBLE] TABLE, WHICH WAS THE INTENTION OF BRINGING IT FORWARD NOW. WE'VE GOT THE SUMMER TO DIGEST IT.

THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION AND WE CAN GO BACK VERY EASILY TO 2010 AND SEE THAT.

AND I THINK I APPRECIATE THAT WORK, BUT IT'LL BE AN INTERESTING CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE AHEAD OF US, AND I THINK WE CAN GET THROUGH IT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO MEAN SOME COMPROMISE FROM ALL SIDES, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THIS COMMUNITY.

AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

THIS IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP THIS COMMUNITY GOING.

WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF REALLY GOOD THINGS HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, AND I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THAT HOMES ARE BEING LISTED FOR FIVE SECONDS [INAUDIBLE] I THINK YOU'RE BACK, COUNCILLOR PATRIE. SORRY, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THESE ARE GOOD TIMES, AND I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP SOME MOMENTUM MOVING FORWARD AND WE HAVE SOME HEFTY DECISIONS TO MAKE.

SO BUDGET IS WHERE THIS NEEDS TO BE.

SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS WITH THE REFERRAL TO BUDGET? I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE THEN, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR, YOUR WORSHIP.

FOR CLARIFICATION IS THIS BEING REFERRED TO THE FIRST MEETING OF THE BUDGET.

BUDGET PERIOD, SO WE ASKED, I IMAGINE, TO BE A PART OF OUR FIRST BINDER, FIRST DOCUMENT.

I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE PART OF THE FIRST MEETING.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT THAT GOES TO THE FIRST AGENDA.

POINT OF PROCEDURE YOUR WORSHIP QUESTIONS BEEN CALLED, WE HAVE A CHOICE, YAY OR NAY.

THIS IS TRUE.

YAY OR NAY COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I THINK STAFF HAS GOT IT YAY.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

IN FAVOR. AND I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED REFERRED TO 2022 BUDGET.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

NO OUTSIDE BOARD OR COMMITTEE REPORTS THIS EVENING, UNFINISHED BUSINESS REC HUB UPDATE

[9. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]

STANDING ITEM, PROBABLY NOT TOO MUCH TO UPDATE MR. GAGNON. NOTHING IN WHAT OTHER THAN WE DISCUSSED OR WHAT'S KIND OF LEFT HANGING, WHICH IS WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS ON THE RECREATION HUB.

WE DO [INAUDIBLE] AS FAR AS WE DO MR. ANTUNES AND I WILL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH ON THE HELPING THE CURLING CLUB AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL IN THE PAST. BUT THAT'S NO LONGER PART OF THE HUB, I SUPPOSE.

SO IT'S LARGELY IT'S SUBJECT TO ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE ANOTHER ITEM ON IT, 9.6 WHICH MAY BE DEFERRED AGAIN, ANYTHING UPDATES ON THE ARTS AND HUB COMMITTEE.

ONLY THAT OUR ARCHITECTS ARE WORKING WITH THE NEW REVISED MANDATE AS I UNDERSTAND WHILE I WAS AWAY THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS PROVIDED TO THEM, THEY ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO BE IN PLENTY OF TIME FOR THE JULY INTAKE OF THE GREEN FUND FOR THE NET ZERO CONCEPT. AND SO THAT ONE'S VOTING WELL, AT LEAST THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT SOME LARGER CAPITAL [INAUDIBLE].

AND I'M NOT SURE MR. ANTUNES, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? OTHER THAN WE'RE HAVING IN OUR STEERING COMMITTEE MEETING THIS FRIDAY.

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NO MR. GAGNON OTHER THAN THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP, OTHER THAN WHAT YOU MENTIONED, THE CONSULTANTS AND THE ARCHITECTS TO GET BACK TO US SAYING THAT THEY'RE VERY COMFORTABLE TO KIND OF PUT THE MAYOR'S MIND AT EASE WITH TIMING COMMUNICATED TODAY A VERY COMFORTABLE TIMEFRAME TO GET US THE INFORMATION WE NEED FOR OUR GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE GREEN FUND.

AND WITHIN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS, WE SHOULD GET A FINAL DRAFT OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FROM THE CONSULTANT THAT WORKS WITH OUR ARCHITECT, AS WELL AS THE COST RECOVERIES POSSIBLE THROUGH THE FACILITY AS WELL. THANK YOU.

NINE POINT THREE RESIDENTIAL WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS.

IS THERE ANY UPDATES THAT REQUIRE THAT TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION MR. GAGNON? NOT AT THIS TIME, NO.

WE STILL HAVE SOME MORE RESEARCH TO DO, BUT HOPE TO COME BACK IN THE NEAR FUTURE ON SOME OF THOSE LAKES, INCLUDING ESTEN.

OK THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PEARCE YOU HAD AN UPDATE ON WATERFRONT.

I DON'T THINK I WANT TO GET INTO IT TONIGHT, YOUR WORSHIP, BUT THERE WAS A LETTER WRITTEN TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL BY THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION, WHICH WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, WAS GOING TO BE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

IT WAS INADVERTENTLY LEFT OFF.

I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT IT IS AT THE NEXT MEETING OF COUNCIL.

IT DETAILS SOME QUESTIONS CONCERNING ESTEN LAKE THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AT COUNCIL MEETING TWO MEETINGS AGO. ALSO SOME RATIONALE FOR THE DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE AS TO WHY WE CHOSE ESTEN LAKE FOR DEVELOPMENT OVER THE SOME OF THE OTHER INTER LAKES.

THIS IS INFORMATION TO STAFF AS WELL AS TO THE COUNCIL.

BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE COUNCIL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THIS LETTER AND TO GET COMPLETE INFORMATION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION.

THANK YOU. OK, THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. AND I THINK OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE DO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, I WOULD HAVE A VERBAL REPORT REGARDING SOME INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION REGARDING THE SAME MATTER AT ANOTHER RECENT MEETING THAT I BELIEVE ALL OF COUNCIL SHOULD BE AWARE OF AS WELL. OKAY THANK YOU.

SO THAT WON'T BE TONIGHT AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET AN AGENDA ITEM FOR OUR FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING AND INFORMATION TO MR. GAGNON. THANK YOU.

NINE POINT FOUR COVID-19 UPDATE STANDING ITEM MR. GAGNON. MOST COUNCILS WERE AWARE PREMIER FORD ANNOUNCED A NEW SORT OF REOPENING PLAN DOING AWAY WITH THE COLOR CODED SYSTEM THAT PREDATED IT.

SO WE AND HE RELAXED SOME OF THE RULES AROUND OUTDOOR RECREATION, INCLUDING GOLF COURSES NAMELY.

WE REVIEWED THE ORDER AND CHOSE TO THAT IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE TO OUR EXISTING OUTDOOR FACILITIES INDOORS ARE STILL COMPLETELY OFF LIMITS.

SO IT WILL BE DEPENDENT PROVINCE WIDE ON THE VACCINE ROLLOUT PACE.

SO AND WE STILL HAVE THIS FIVE PERSON LIMIT.

SO WE CHOSE TO KEEP THE FISHING PIER AND THE BOARDWALK CLOSED, INCLUDING THE MARINA SLIPS. THE ONLY ITEM THAT THEY RELAXED ON THE MARINA WAS FOR MAINTENANCE AND WHATNOT.

AND WE DON'T OURS IS NOT A FULL SERVICE, MARINA.

IT SIMPLY IS SLIPS.

WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THE INSURANCE AND OTHER LEGAL ISSUES SORTED OUT SO THAT WHEN THE APPROPRIATE PHASE COMES, WE WILL BE HOPEFULLY PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO RENT THOSE SLIPS.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, IT DOESN'T CHANGE A WHOLE LOT WHEN IT CAME TO OUR OUTDOOR AMENITIES OTHER THAN THE SKATE PARK, WHICH IS VANDALIZED.

WE ARE NOT ABLE TO OPEN IT UNTIL WE MAKE THE REPAIRS.

WE HAVE ONE BASKETBALL COURT THAT'S BEING UPGRADED AS WE SPEAK, SO WE CAN'T OPEN THAT ONE YET. BUT WE DID OPEN SOME BALL DIAMONDS TO A DEGREE, BUT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE CHANGE TO THE CURRENT PROCESS UNTIL WE GET TO THE NEXT SORT OF STAGE PROVINCE WIDE AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT SERVICES AT THAT TIME UNLESS THERE'S ANY INPUT FROM COUNCIL THAT'S GENERALLY THE APPROACH WE'VE BEEN TAKING. OK, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COVID UPDATE, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATION JUST ON THE FISHING PIER AND THE THE BOAT SLIPS.

IT'D BE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE BEACH, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET FIVE PEOPLE GOING DOWN ON THE PIER TO FISH TOGETHER.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOCIAL DISTANCED.

THE DOG PARK, THE MINERS MEMORIAL.

I JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE SUCH AN ASSET THAT WE'RE KEEPING CLOSED.

I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A GROUP OF FIVE PEOPLE STANDING TOGETHER.

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AND THEN SAME THING WITH THE BOAT SLIP IF A FAMILY IS GOING AND THEY HAVE TO LAUNCH THEIR BOAT IT'S PROBABLY SAFER IF WE HAVE THE BOAT SLIPS, IF WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WANTING TO LAUNCH AT THE SAME TIME THAT THEY CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY.

SO I JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I THINK WE SHOULD OPEN THAT UP COMPLETELY.

I DON'T SEE PEOPLE GATHERING FIVE AT A TIME.

WE HAVE TO GIVE SOME RESPECT TO THE KNOWLEDGE AND INTELLIGENCE OF THE MUNICIPAL PEOPLE THAT RESIDE HERE.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I DO BELIEVE THAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE HAS A POINT THE PIER AT THE BOARDWALK IS 16 FEET WIDE, WHICH GIVES PLENTY OF DISTANCE FOR GETTING AROUND EACH OTHER TO SEPARATE FISHING SPOTS.

MIGHT BE SOMETHING FOR STAFF TO LOOK DEEPER INTO.

IT IS UP FOR DEBATE AND, YOU KNOW, MY IMPRESSION WAS WE WILL HAVE WITHOUT QUESTION MORE THAN FIVE PEOPLE THERE. SO WE ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND KEEP IT CLOSED.

AND THE SLIPS WE'VE SEEN, THE ABUSE IS TOO STRONG, BUT WE'VE SEEN THE SLIPS BEING USED FOR THINGS THAT ARE NOT IDEAL.

AND WE NEED TO CATCH UP ON THE PAPERWORK AND THE BYLAW SIDE OF IT.

IF WE ALLOW IT TO EVEN FOR DAY USE, PEOPLE WILL STAY OVERNIGHT AND THEN WE ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO DEAL WITH THAT.

WE'VE ALSO SEEN PEOPLE FISHING FROM SLIPS, WHICH IS NOT APPROPRIATE EITHER.

SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO, YOU KNOW, DIRECT US TO OPEN THE PIER AND THE BOARDWALK, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT I REALLY CAUTION AGAINST OPENING THE SLIPS UNTIL WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY RENT THEM, HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE BOAT OWNER THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT I'M ALLOWED TO DO AND THIS IS WHAT I'M NOT ALLOWED TO DO AND THESE ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF ABUSING THE AGREEMENT.

SO UNTIL WE'RE AT THAT POINT, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD OPEN THE SLIPS.

AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE TECHNICALLY IF WE CAN, BECAUSE THE ONLY THING THEY HAVE ALLOWED IS FOR SORT OF MAINTENANCE.

LAUNCHING IS FINE. AND IT IS UP TO THE COUNCIL HOW YOU WANT TO DETERMINE THAT 16 FOOT PIER AND WHETHER THE PUBLIC CAN MANAGE THEMSELVES.

IT WAS UP FOR DEBATE AT STAFF, WE STRUGGLED WITH IT.

SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DIRECT US FOR THE PIER AND THE BOARDWALK THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.

BUT I REALLY CAUTION AGAINST THE SLIPS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP, I'M SORT OF TORN ON THIS ONE BECAUSE ON ONE HAND, I AGREE THAT I THINK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, AS IF WE CAN OPEN IT, WE SHOULD DO SO.

BUT THEN THIS MORNING DRIVING PAST, I NOTICED A GROUP OF HECK OF A LOT MORE THAN FIVE PEOPLE CONGREGATING DOWN THERE ON NEAR THE BOAT LAUNCH.

AND THEY WEREN'T LAUNCHING ANY BOATS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

THEY WERE JUST CONGREGATING.

AND, THAT BOTHERS ME.

BUT THEN THEY DO THE SAME THING AT THE MINERS MEMORIAL.

I KNOW THAT COUNCIL GETS THE UPDATES FROM APH, ANOTHER TWO CASES THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN TODAY, AND THEY'RE ALL FROM THE SAME THING, IT'S FROM COMMUNITY SPREAD, WHICH MEANS THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING TOGETHER AND THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM.

SO I THINK WE I WOULD AIR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE PEOPLE OF ELLIOT LAKE, PLEASE, FOR YOUR OWN SAKE, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A SUMMER, START OBEYING THE RULES BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE WON'T AND WE'LL GO BACK INTO ANOTHER HORRIBLE LONG WINTER WITH COVID-19 IN WAVE 4.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP, I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE ON COUNCIL AND STAFF THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE LOCKDOWN. WE'RE NOT EVEN IN STEP ONE YET, THAT WE HAVE TO REACH A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF VACCINES IN THE PROVINCE BEFORE THAT CAN HAPPEN.

AND SO WE AREN'T EVEN IN STEP ONE YET.

AND I THINK THAT WE CAN LEAVE IT TO STAFF THAT WHEN THE PROVINCE SAYS WE CAN OPEN IT, THAT RIGHT NOW A MARINA SAYS YOU CAN ONLY OPEN IT FOR MAINTENANCE AND FOR LAUNCHING AND THAT'S IT. SO AND I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILLOR PEARCE HAD SAID.

I DRIVE BY THE BOAT.

I DRIVE BY THERE DAILY A COUPLE OF TIMES A DAY, AND I'VE SEEN A COUPLE SITTING IN FRONT OF THEIR CARS WITH IN CHAIRS TOGETHER FISHING.

AND I'VE SEEN 12 PEOPLE STANDING IN FRONT OF ANOTHER VEHICLE JUST STANDING AROUND TALKING. I'VE SEEN LOTS OF VEHICLES AT THE MINERS MEMORIAL.

BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND FROM WHAT I CAN FIGURE OUT AROUND THE HORNE LAKE, BECAUSE I'M NOT SEEING LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE GATHERING THERE, WHICH IS NICE TO SEE.

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BUT I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE ANXIOUS TO GET OUT.

PEOPLE ARE ANXIOUS TO DO THINGS.

WE'RE GETTING SLAYED AGAIN ON SOCIAL MEDIA THAT WERE HORRIBLE PEOPLE BECAUSE WE'RE STOPPING PEOPLE FROM LIVING.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE PROVINCE HAS MANDATED WHAT'S TO GO ON.

AND WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT MANDATE.

AND I'M WILLING TO OPEN THE BOAT LAUNCHES WHEN THE PROVINCE SAYS IT'S OK TO OPEN THE BOAT LAUNCHES. AND I MEAN THE PIER.

I THINK THAT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.

AND WE DO HAVE MORE THAN TWO PLACES IN TOWN OF COMMUNITY SPREAD COVID-19.

AND THAT'S SCARY. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED AGAIN AT IN THE APARTMENT BUILDING IN TOWN, PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES.

AND I DON'T WANT ANY MORE DEATHS IN ELLIOT LAKE FROM THIS WHERE WE'RE GETTING NEAR THE END OF IT. AS FAR AS PEOPLE GETTING VACCINATED AND WE'RE GETTING THAT'S ROLLING ALONG REALLY WELL, AND I THINK WE NEED TO STAY THE COURSE.

I THINK THAT WE DON'T EVER RUN A RACE TO HALF FINISH IT.

I THINK WE NEED TO FINISH THIS ONE.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S NOT A MARINA AND THE PROVINCE HAS SAID THAT IT CAN OPEN.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS RIGHT THE BOARDWALK IS NOT A MARINA.

WHERE THE SLIPS ARE DEFINITELY AND I CAN SEE GOOD REASON TO HOLD OFF THERE THOSE ARE NARROW. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN USING THEM FOR THE WRONG REASONS, AS THE CAO HAS ALLUDED TO.

SO WHAT'S OUR RUSH THERE? THE PROVINCE SAYS NO.

IT'S NO.

ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY IS I GET THE ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH BULLETINS ALSO AND THE BULLETINS THAT I'VE RECEIVED REFER TO CASES TODAY IN ELLIOT LAKE AND THE AREA.

AND ELLIOT LAKE AND AREA TAKES IN ELLIOT LAKE DOWN TO THE HIGHWAY AND HANG A LEFT IN THE HEAD AS FAR AS SAGINAW.

SO INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED THAT HAVE BEEN REPORTED BY ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

SO THEY'VE MADE THAT PUBLIC HAVE THEY.

I'M TELLING YOU NOW.

AS THE VICE CHAIR OF ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH, SO THE INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, NOWHERE ELSE.

OK. COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP, I THINK I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR PEARCE ON THIS ONE, I DEFINITELY SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MINERS MONUMENT AND THE MUNICIPAL BEACHES AS OPPOSED TO THE BOARDWALK AND THE SLIPS.

YOU CAN APPROACH THE BEACH FROM ANY DIFFERENT ANGLE.

YOU CAN ONLY GET ON THE BOARDWALK FROM ONE POINT.

SO IT'S A BOTTLENECK AT THAT POINT.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT USE IT ARE GOING TO RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE AS THEY APPROACH AND PASS THEM.

WE NEED TO MONITOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

SO WE'RE ALMOST TO THE MAGIC DATE OF JUNE 14TH NOW WHERE WE START TO OPEN UP THESE NEW RULES AND THEN WE GO IN THESE TWENTY FOUR OR TWENTY ONE DAY INTERVALS OVER A THREE WEEK PERIOD AS WE GET TO HAVING A NORMAL SUMMER.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALMOST THERE.

WE ARE AS WELL STILL WAITING FOR A REPORT TO COME BACK ON THE SLIP UTILIZATION, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE COULD DO THAT PRIOR TO THE SLIPS REOPENING.

SO WE DON'T HAVE ISSUES AGAIN, WE NEED TO SET THE RULE BEFORE WE START USING IT AND IMPLEMENTING THOSE.

AND AGAIN, THERE'S OTHER THINGS AT THAT AREA THAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

WE NEED TO HAVE PROPER SIGNAGE FOR BOAT TRAILER PARKING AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT PROPERLY.

I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS CALL ME VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ACCIDENTS OCCURRING BECAUSE OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING THEIR VEHICLES FOR DAY USE AND BOAT TRAFFIC WITH TRAILERS.

YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO WE NEED TO KEEP IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE AS WELL.

AND I THINK I WOULD HOPE THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT REPORT BACK AT SOME POINT WHERE WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE SLIPS, YOU KNOW, IF LOOKING BACK, IF I WAS IF I WOULD HAVE REALIZED OR THOUGHT THAT MUCH IN ADVANCE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE FOR

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SEASONAL USE, I MAY NOT HAVE SUPPORTED IT TO THE EXTENT I DID.

IT'S IMPORTANT WE HAVE IT.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S BEAUTIFUL.

IT NEEDS TO BE USED, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE USED APPROPRIATELY.

AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THAT ENFORCEMENT WORD.

DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY AND THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT PROPERLY IF WE SET A RULE? I DON'T WANT TO SET A RULE THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS IN THE PAST ABOUT NO PARKING SIGNS ON STREETS WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE SIGNAGE OR VICE VERSA.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE RULE IS APPROPRIATE AND WE CAN ENFORCE IT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILLOR MANN.

LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOMEWHAT OF A CONSENSUS THAT THERE'S A TIME FRAME COMING UP SET BY THE PROVINCE AND MAY HAVE WE HOLD OFF ON THIS CONVERSATION UNTIL THAT PHASE ONE OF THE PROVINCIAL OPENING COMES INTO EFFECT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M INTERPRETING FROM THE CONVERSATION [LAUGHTER].

[INAUDIBLE] WRONG, IS THERE ANY OTHER COVID UPDATES? I MEAN, WE KNOW THE THE VACCINATION CLINICS ARE STILL ONGOING.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. THE FAMILY HEALTH TEAM ANNOUNCED TODAY THAT TEENAGERS ARE I DON'T WANT TO CALL THEM CHILDREN BECAUSE THERE ARE 12 TO 17 YEARS OLD, CAN NOW CALL THE FAMILY HEALTH TEAM AT 705-461-8882 EXTENSION 611.

AND AND MAKE YOUR APPOINTMENT FOR VACCINATIONS ON THE 3RD AND THE 10TH OF JUNE.

THEY'RE RUNNING THE CLINICS FROM 12 NOON TO EIGHT O'CLOCK TO ACCOMMODATE PARENTS WORKING WHO WANT TO TAKE THEIR KIDS AND GO WITH THEM AND KIDS WHO ARE IN SCHOOL TO ACCOMMODATE TO GET AS MANY YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY VACCINATED AS POSSIBLE.

AND SHOPPERS DRUG MART HAS RESUMED THEIR VACCINATION PROGRAM.

THEY'RE GIVING PFIZER AT THIS POINT.

SPEAKING WITH THE PHARMACIST, SHE TOLD ME THAT IF AND WHEN ASTRAZENECA GETS THROUGH THESE TRIAL PHASE THAT THEY'RE TRYING THIS WEEK, IF IT GETS REAPPROVED FOR DISTRIBUTION, THE PEOPLE WHO'VE ALREADY HAD ASTRAZENECA IN THE COMMUNITY WILL BE NOTIFIED THROUGH SHOPPERS DRUG MART IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY GOT THEIR FIRST DOSE.

THAT TO BE CALLED IN TO SEE IF THEY WANT STILL WANT TO GET THEIR AND SHE SAID HOPEFULLY THAT ONCE THE, TO WATCH THE NEWS AND WHEN THE PROVINCE ANNOUNCES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REDISTRIBUTE IT AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE ASTRAZENECA. THANK YOU COUNCILLOR FINAMORE I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, THEN THE SIGN IN FRONT OF THE COLLINS HALL STILL SAYS 50 AND UP.

DID WE SKIP THE 18 AND UP AND GO RIGHT TO TEENAGERS OR IS IT.

THEY'RE DOING TWO DAYS WITH TEENAGERS, THE 3RD IN THE 10TH AT THIS POINT.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE NOT DOING THE OTHER AGE GROUPS AS WELL.

THEY'RE DOING A COUPLE OF WITH THEY'RE DOING OTHER DAYS OF THE WEEK AS WELL.

I BELIEVE THEY'RE DOING THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANYBODY THAT'S BALD.

[LAUGHTER], THERE'S A [INAUDIBLE] FOR US, YOUR WORSHIP.

IS THAT RIGHT. GOOD STUFF. THERE'S NO OTHER UPDATES FOR COVID WE'LL CARRY ON NINE POINT FIVE REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS NATURAL GAS AGENCY AGREEMENT BETWEEN LAS AND THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

AND I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO RECEIVE AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE LAST MEETING IS NOT ON THERE.

AND IF THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION OR AN AMENDMENT, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT.

SO RIGHT NOW, SO MR. HALLOCH CAN GIVE US THE INFO MOTION TO RECEIVE, PLEASE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

MR. HALLOCH.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP AND I APOLOGIZE BECAUSE OF THE RECOMMENDATION WE WERE LOOKING AT FROM THE LAST, WHICH I COULD READ OUT FROM THE ACTUAL FIRST REPORT WAS THAT COUNCIL APPROVES THE SIGNING OF THE NEW NATURAL GAS AGENCY AGREEMENT WITH LOCAL AUTHORITY SERVICES, ACKNOWLEDGING THE NEW LANGUAGE CHANGES HIGHLIGHTED IN THE DOCUMENT.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT CAME FORWARD.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE DELAYED THIS FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.

THIS WAS DEFERRED TO COME BACK.

AND WE'VE COME BACK WITH A MEMO FORM THAT I SENT THROUGH MORE INFORMATION TO COUNCIL, BASICALLY JUST SUMMARIZING UP DOCUMENTS THAT I RECEIVED FROM EDISON ENERGY REGARDING THE NATURAL GAS PROGRAM THAT THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF SINCE 2006.

AS COUNCIL IS AWARE FROM THE PREVIOUS REPORT BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING ON MONDAY MAY THE 10TH.

THE AGREEMENT SIGNED IN 2006 AUTOMATICALLY RENEWS EVERY YEAR FROM NOVEMBER 1ST UNTIL OCTOBER 31ST OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

THE AGREEMENT STATES THAT IF ANY OF THE CURRENT MEMBERS WISH TO LEAVE THE PROGRAM, A

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LETTER DOCUMENTING THIS WOULD NEED TO BE SENT TO LAS NO LESS THAN ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DAYS PRIOR TO THE END OF THE CURRENT CONTRACT YEAR.

BASICALLY, THE FIRST ATTACHMENT THAT WAS SENT THROUGH IS THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE ANNUAL SUMMARY REPORT. SO THE INFORMATION FOR THE COST OF NATURAL GAS IN CUBIC METERS SINCE 2014, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE CHART, PROVIDED BEING A MEMBER OF THE LAS PROGRAM HAS ACTUALLY RESULTED IN A LOSS OF OVER SEVENTY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS SINCE 2014 FOR UTILITY PRICES PER CUBIC METER TRENDED LOWER THAN THE LAS PROGRAM'S FIXED RATE.

ALTHOUGH THE PRICE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE UTILITY MARKET AND LAS PROGRAMING HAVE REDUCED SIGNIFICANTLY. THE NEXT TWO ATTACHMENTS START TO LOOK AT PREDICTIONS OF UTILITY COSTS DUE TO SEVERAL FACTORS MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE.

BASICALLY, THAT'S JUST STATING WITH SUCH A VOLATILE MARKET THAT HAS RUN SMOOTHLY SINCE TWENTY FOURTEEN SHOWING ON THE CHART.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING YOUR UTILITY COSTS ACTUALLY RUNNING A LOT LOWER.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE ACTUAL CHARTS.

IN SUMMARY, THERE IS CLOSE TO A HUNDRED MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE LAS NATURAL GAS PROGRAM AND ACKNOWLEDGED THE LANGUAGE CHANGES PROPOSED AND SIGNED A NEW AGREEMENT.

AS STATED THE THREE MAIN FACTORS FOR THE PROGRAM, ARE TO PROVIDE MUNICIPALITIES WITH COST CERTAINTY, COMPETITIVE PRICES AND MAXIMIZING PURCHASING POWER.

THAT BEING SAID, THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE UNFORTUNATELY NEVER BENEFITED FINANCIALLY OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS FOR UTILITY PRICES FOR NATURAL GAS REMAIN LOW IN WHAT IS NORMALLY CONSIDERED A VOLATILE MARKET.

SO YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU.

AND THEN FROM EVERYTHING I'VE LOOKED AT TO IT'S PREDICTED ON SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS WITH THE PRICES OF OTHER ENERGY, WEATHER.

BUT OVERALL, LIKE YOU SAID FROM THE CHART THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WITH THE ANNUAL SUMMER REPORT, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT CHART, SINCE 2014, THERE HAS BEEN A LOSS EVERY YEAR. SO WHERE IT COMES OUT TO AVERAGING SEVENTY THREE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND SIXTY NINE DOLLARS TOTAL FROM THAT TIME PERIOD, WHERE WE'RE ALSO AWARE THAT WE PAID TO THE LAST PROGRAM, ON AVERAGE, WE'RE PAYING ABOUT FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE SERVICE AT THE ACTUAL UTILITY FOR THE VOLUME THAT WE'RE USING IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

NOW I HAVE WITH CONFIDENCE PUT THROUGH A RECOMMENDATION.

BECAUSE I'M LEAVING THAT OUT RIGHT NOW FOR A RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER WE CONTINUE WITH THE PROGRAM OR WE ARE LOOKING TO GET OUT OF IT.

BUT I HAVE SPOKEN TO THEM AND IF WE DECIDE TO DO THAT, IT WILL TAKE A LETTER NOW, WHICH WE'LL BE OUT OF IT AFTER OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I BROUGHT UP AT COMMITTEE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, AND I DO THINK OBVIOUSLY MR. HALLOCH FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD THIS REPORT HASN'T BEEN OR THIS AGREEMENT HASN'T BEEN REVIEWED IN 15 YEARS.

AND THAT IS A BIT CONCERNING FOR ME, CONSIDERING NOW THE INFORMATION THAT'S WITHIN IT.

IF WE WERE TO SIGN IT, WE'RE STUCK FOR TWO YEARS, WHICH IS THEN WITH THE INITIAL.

SO OBVIOUSLY I'M PLEASED THAT WE CAN GET OUT OF IT BY THIS OCTOBER, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL. I JUST THINK WITH AGREEMENTS LIKE THIS, I THINK THEY NEED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL OR AT LEAST BE VETTED IN SOME MECHANISM, AT LEAST EVERY TERM OF COUNCIL.

WE'RE THE FIRST NOW IN THREE TERMS OF COUNCIL TO HAVE REVIEWED THIS DOCUMENT SINCE 2006.

SO I'M HAPPY TO COME FORWARD.

AND OBVIOUSLY, I THINK THE INFORMATION IN THE MEMO WAS PRETTY CLEAR.

A LOSS IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN AN AGREEMENT.

SO THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO YEAH, MY SENTIMENTS ARE THE SAME AS COUNCILLOR MANN AND THANK YOU MR. HALLOCH FOR GETTING THIS BACK IN A TIMELY MANNER.

IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE CAN GET THIS THROUGH SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE THAT WINDOW OF CANCELING THE AGREEMENT.

IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING THAT WE'VE LOST SEVENTY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS PLUS PAID FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR. SO IT'S ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR LOSS ROUGHLY OVER THE DURATION OF THE CONTRACT OR MORE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MR. HALLOCH AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK HIM TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE INCEPTION OF IT.

BUT SO I'M GOING TO PUT AN AMENDMENT THAT WE RECEIVE AND THEN THAT WE DO NOT SIGN THE NEW AGREEMENT. AND WE ACTUALLY CANCEL THE CURRENT AGREEMENT, SO THAT WE'RE WITHIN THAT TIMELINE TO HAVE THIS CANCELED BY THE DEADLINE.

SECONDER FOR THE AMENDMENT.

SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN, THANK YOU .SO WITHIN THE 180 DAY PERIOD, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

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THAT'S CORRECT, SO MR. HALLOCH I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO GET UP TOMORROW, BUT HE SAID THAT WE'RE WELL WITHIN THAT WINDOW OR WE'RE WITHIN THAT WINDOW AT THIS CURRENT TIME.

SO, YES, CANCEL IT SO THAT WE NO LONGER GO BEYOND THAT OCTOBER DEADLINE.

AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE HIM A TWO YEAR EXTENSION.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MR. HALLOCH, WHAT IS THE IMMEDIATE FINANCIAL IMPACT BY GETTING OUT OF THIS? I KNOW YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GAS PRICES ARE GOING TO WHAT NATURAL GAS PRICES ARE GOING TO BE, BUT IS THIS THE TIME WHEN THE ECONOMY IS SO VOLATILE THAT WE DO THIS? THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN, IS THAT WE DON'T COME BACK AND SAY THAT IT COST US AN EXTRA FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS BECAUSE WE DID GET OUT AND THIS WAS THE YEAR WE SHOULD HAVE STAYED.

I'M THINKING A LOT OF THE WAY I LOOKED AT IT FROM A LOT OF RESEARCH AND TALKING TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND A LOT OF THEM JUST SIGNED OUT OF JUST THE COMFORT LEVEL OF WHEN THEY BUDGET, THEY'RE NOT WORRYING ABOUT A VOLATILE MARKET JUMPING UP.

AND I GUESS THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE THAT LOSS FOR WHAT THEY GET.

THERE HASN'T BEEN AS MUCH RESEARCH DONE AS WE'VE DONE ON OUR END OF THINGS AND SEEING OUR LOSSES. BUT HONESTLY, AFTER TALKING TO MRS. SONNENBURG AS WELL, WE DISCUSSED THAT IF EVER, IF IT EVER GOT THAT VOLATILE AND THAT BAD, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE THINGS WOULD COME DOWN TO WHERE.

WHERE IF IT WAS FOR A LONG PERIOD, THEY PROBABLY WOULD LOOK AT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY OTHER THAN JUST THROWING MUNICIPALITIES UNDER THE BUS.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IS A BIT OF A IT HELPS YOU OUT HERE.

BUT I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THAT IF WE WENT THE OTHER WAY RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COST THAT WE'RE PAYING ON OUR BILLS IS 11 FOR JUST OVER 11 CENTS A CUBIC METER WHERE THE ACTUAL UTILITY RATE IS JUST OVER 10 CENTS.

SO THAT GAP HAS GOTTEN CLOSER.

BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, PREDICTING FUTURE.

IT'S ALL GOT TO BE BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT LINES UP.

AND THAT WOULD BE INCLUDING A REALLY COLD WINTER AND SHORTAGES OF, OF COURSE, I'VE ONLY GOT TILL 2014.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS CORRECT.

MAYBE IT LOOKS EVEN EVEN WORSE IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2006.

BUT THIS IS AS MUCH AS I CAN GET FOR INFORMATION SO.

YEAH, WE WOULD JUST BE TAKING A CHANCE GOING ON THAT AND AND WHEN OUR BUDGET, WE COULD BE AT LEAST WE CAN EXPLAIN THAT IN OUR BUDGET PROCESS, IF NATURAL GAS ALL OF A SUDDEN DID JUMP UP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE AMENDMENT, COUNCILLOR TURNER? I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND LAS INVOLVES ITSELF IN SPOT MARKET PURCHASES AND BIDDING ON FUTURES IN THE ENERGY SECTOR.

HOW DO WE DECIDE WHO WE BUY GAS FROM AND AT WHAT PRICE? IF WE GO ALONG. THAT'S A PERFECT QUESTION, AND I DIDN'T KNOW WE JUST FALL INTO A DEFAULT SYSTEM OF YOU'RE GETTING BILLED BY ENBRIDGE.

SO THERE'S A PERFECT QUESTION AND THAT'S A QUESTION I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO.

I JUST FIGURED IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF ONE OF THESE PLANS, YOU'RE GETTING YOUR BILLING IN AS YOU GET YOUR BILLING FOR ENBRIDGE.

SO AT WHATEVER THE RATE IS CHARGED OUT TO HOMEOWNERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE PER CUBIC METER.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M CORRECT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASSUMING SO.

WELL, I THINK IT'S. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

FOLLOW UP, YOUR WORSHIP [INAUDIBLE] COUNCILLOR TURNER.

YEAH, I THINK I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DECIDE WHAT EXPERTISE WE HAVE IN-HOUSE THAT CAN BETTER.

THE ODDS OF US SAVING SOME MONEY AND.

ARE WE ARE WE QUALIFIED TO COMPETE WITH THE LIKES OF LAS OR ARE THEY JUST TOTALLY UNQUALIFIED AND INCOMPETENT? AND WE SHOULD. GET AS MUCH SPACE BETWEEN HERE AND THEM AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

JUST WAIT FOR BILL FROM ENBRIDGE.

I THINK WE NEED THE ANSWER TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO BUY BEFORE WE MAKE THIS DECISION.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

YES, YOU WILL BE BILLED BY ENBRIDGE, THEY ARE THE SUPPLIER OF GAS IN THE REGION, SO YOU'RE GOING TO GET BUILT BY ENBRIDGE.

WHETHER OR NOT LAS IS INCOMPETENT OR.

I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY HARSH WORD, FRANKLY, THEY DO WHAT OTHER COMPANIES SIMILAR TO THEM DO, THEY SAY, OK, WE WILL GIVE YOU CLARITY AND STABILITY IN YOUR PRICING, WHEREAS IF YOU'RE BUYING ON THE OPEN MARKET, IT'S GOING TO GO UP AND DOWN LIKE A YO-YO.

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I WOULD ECHO THE CONCERNS OF COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

WE DON'T KNOW. IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT NATURAL GAS WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOF AS THE ECONOMY STARTS TO TAKE OFF AGAIN.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT.

I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS STARTS TO HAPPEN AND WE'RE OUT OF THE CONTRACT, CAN WE GET BACK IN AND.

SO I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD.

WE SHOULD GIVE THIS A TRY, TURN OFF THE CONTRACT, TERMINATE THE CONTRACT, I SHOULD SAY, AND BUT BE AWARE THE MARKET COULD GET VERY VOLATILE.

AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, LOOK AT A DOLLAR THIRTY FIVE A LITER FOR GASOLINE IN OUR MARKET RIGHT NOW. NATURAL GAS ISN'T GOING TO BE FAR BEHIND.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, THROUGH YOU FOR CLARITY, LAS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN COUNCILLOR PEARCE SAID, THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF THESE BUSINESSES OUT THERE THAT.

YOU SIGN UP WITH THEM, THEY USUALLY PROMISE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY.

THEY HAVE A BETTER BUYING RATE WITH ENBRIDGE, SO THEY GET A BETTER RATE.

THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY MAKING A PROFIT BECAUSE THEY BUY AT A CERTAIN AMOUNT.

SELL IT TO US.

SO ON TOP OF OUR FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS A YEAR, THEY'RE MAKING A PROFIT, SELLING US NATURAL GAS. THERE'S NO COST OF CANCELING AT THIS POINT.

IF WE DON'T CANCEL AT THIS POINT, WE'RE LOCKED IN.

AND IF YOU SIGN AN AGREEMENT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR TWO MORE YEARS, NOT JUST ONE.

AND THEN. I'M SURE.

THEY'RE A BUSINESS, AND IF YOU READ WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US.

THEIR THEIR JOB IS TO BE IN BUSINESS AND TO MAKE MONEY, THEY WANT CLIENTS.

SO IF WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE'RE NOW A LITTLE NERVOUS AND WE WANT TO HOP BACK IN FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO, FIVE, 10, WHATEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO SIGN YOU UP.

THERE'S COMPETITORS OUT THERE TO LAS.

SO THERE'S NO HARM, NO FOUL BY CANCELING THE AGREEMENT AND YOU DO STILL HAVE SIX MONTHS TO OPT INTO SOMETHING NEW, IF SOMETHING COMES ALONG THAT STAFF CAN FIND SOMETHING THAT CAN SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY.

BUT THE HISTORY HAS SHOWN THAT WE'RE JUST THROWING MONEY OUT THE WINDOW TO STAY IN THIS CONTRACT. SO I SAY WE CANCEL IT AND MOVE FORWARD.

COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOUR WORSHIP AND I THINK AS WELL, IF WE'RE EVER HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO BE ON SITE FOR AN ANNUAL CONFERENCE, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE BRING UP.

THIS IS A SERVICE PROVIDED BY [INAUDIBLE], WHICH WE PAY INTO.

SO [INAUDIBLE] NEEDS TO KNOW THAT.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T BELIEVE EVERY MEMBER MUNICIPALITY IS A MEMBER OF LAS.

THEREFORE, THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES BASED ON THE VOLUME OF NEED AND A BUNCH OF OTHER FACTORS HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO.

SO WE WILL GO WITH THE MARKET.

WE ALL KNOW THAT NOVEMBER 1ST, THE DAY AFTER THE CONTRACT, GAS WILL GO UP BECAUSE IT'S WINTER AND IT'S TURNED BACK ON AGAIN AND IT'LL BE AGAIN.

SO WE'LL GO WITH THE FLOW OF THE VOLUME OF NEED OVER THE WINTER.

BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK WE NEED TO AT SOME POINT ADVOCATE TO [INAUDIBLE] AS WELL TO SAY YOU NEED TO REDEFINE YOUR YOUR BUYING PROGRAM, BECAUSE REALLY, IN OUR CASE AT LEAST, IT HASN'T NECESSARILY BEEN AFFECTIVE.

PLUS, OUR MEMBERSHIP TO [INAUDIBLE].

SO, AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN THAT AS WELL THAT WE NEED TO BRING FORWARD, NOT NECESSARILY TODAY, END THE CONTRACT AND WE MOVE ON.

AND AGAIN, IT'S A VOLATILE MARKET, JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOUR WORSHIP. I JUST WANT TO THANK DR.

MR. HALLOCH FOR THE REPORT, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T.

IT DOESN'T SCARE ME THAT WE'RE THE ONLY MUNICIPALITY THAT MIGHT BE DOING THIS.

IT KIND OF ALARMS ME THAT WE ARE, THOUGH.

YOU KNOW, WE ASKED YOU TO TAKE A DEEP DIVE AND LOOK AT THIS, AND NOW YOU'VE GIVEN US THE ANSWER. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD NOT GET OUT OF IT AT THIS POINT WHEN IT'S COSTING US MORE MONEY THAN THAN THE THAN IT'S WORTH.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND GET OUT OF IT FOR NOW.

IF IT IF IF WE BLEW IT AND WE HAVE A REALLY BAD YEAR, THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN IN THE SPRING AND TAKE ANOTHER GOOD LOOK AT IT AND STILL HAVE TIME TO OPT BACK IN.

OR MAYBE ANOTHER COMPETITOR WILL COME FORWARD AND OFFER US SOMETHING BETTER.

THANK YOU. YES, INDEED, THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH, FOR COMING BACK WITH DETAILS SO QUICKLY, I THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES, WHEN YOU ASK QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF, YOU GET THE ANSWER.

WELL, IT'S JUST ALWAYS BEEN DONE THAT WAY.

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AND OUR STAFF DON'T GIVE US THAT ANSWER, WHICH I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE, I HAVE WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, COUNCIL GOT THAT ANSWER A FEW TIMES AND I REALLY DIDN'T APPRECIATE THE WE ALWAYS DO IT THAT WAY OR THIS IS WHO WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN WITH.

BUT WHY? I WANT TO KNOW WHY AND MR. HALLOCH'S DONE A GOOD, GOOD JOB AT ANSWERING.

WE DON'T NEED TO ALWAYS DO IT THAT WAY.

MY ONLY CONCERNS WITH THIS IS I KNOW, YOU KNOW, UP UNTIL NOW THERE'S BEEN A FAIRLY COMPETITIVE MARKET, BUT ENBRIDGE IS BUYING OUT A LOT OF THE SMALLER NATURAL GAS COMPANIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

EVEN HERE WE WENT FROM UNION GAS TO NOW ENBRIDGE.

SO A LITTLE BIT ALARMING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE ONTARIO ENERGY BOARD IS NOT SUPPOSED TO ALLOW GOUGING, BUT THEY DON'T THEY DON'T TOUCH THE PUMPS.

THEY WILL NOT TOUCH THE PUMPS.

WE HAD THAT DEBATE A FEW YEARS BACK.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

YOU GO TO A LOT OF OTHER PLACES AND IT'S 20 CENTS CHEAPER THAN WE'RE PAYING HERE, THEY DON'T TOUCH THE PUMPS, BUT NATURAL GAS AND HYDRO IS ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE THEY ONLY ALLOW CERTAIN RATES AND BUMP.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF PROTECTION.

MR., HALLOCH, AGAIN, THANK YOU.

YOU LET US KNOW THAT, HEY, IF THINGS START JUMPING UP, WE CAN TALK TO LAS IN THE FUTURE.

AND COUNCILLOR MANN HAD A GOOD POINT.

NEXT TIME WE'RE AT [INAUDIBLE]MIGHT BE ONE OF THOSE TABLES WHERE YOU NEED TO GET SOME REALLY GOOD, FINER DETAILS.

THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE AMENDMENTS ON THE TABLE.

WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT BEFORE WE GET ONTO THE MOTION AS AMENDED.

SO I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR COUNCILLOR TURNER.

IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR, THE AMENDMENT IS CARRIED MS. BRAY CAN YOU READ THE MOTION ONCE AGAIN AS AMENDED.

OH, SORRY THAT THE MEMO DATED MAY TWENTY FIRST 2021 THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS CONCERNING THE NATURAL GAS AGENCY APPARENTLY RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL TERMINATED THE CURRENT NATURAL GAS AGENCY AGREEMENT WITH LAS BY SENDING A LETTER WAS IN THE ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY DAY TIMEFRAME.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE AMENDED MOTION? COUNCILLOR PATRIE. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT'S PROBABLY A MOOT POINT, BUT SHOULD WE HAVE IN THERE THAT WE DO NOT SIGN THAT AGREEMENT THAT WAS PUT FORWARD OR IS IT A MOOT POINT, ARE WE FINE WITH THE WAY THAT IT IS WRITTEN? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MOOT IF WE'RE CANCELING IT, WE'RE NOT SIGNING TO CONTINUE ON.

MS. BRAY.

I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY PASS A NEGATIVE RESOLUTION WHERE WE'RE SAYING THE COUNCIL WILL NOT DO SOMETHING SO.

OK. GOOD AS AMENDED I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR TURNER THIS TIME.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

AND I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. HALLOCH.

NINE POINT SIX REFERRAL FROM AD HOC COMMUNITY HUB COMMITTEE.

I'D SAY THAT STAYS UNDER UNFINISHED BUSINESS BECAUSE BOTH THE MOVER AND THE SECOND OF THE DEFERRAL HAVE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

SO WE'LL TRY AND GET THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE, YOU'RE THE MOVER AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, UNLESS.

I JUST WANT CLARITY THAT, YES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE FULL COSTINGS TO DATE.

OTHER THAN THE 2009 PROJECT, ALL COSTING FROM 2016 UP? CORRECT, IF IF THE BALANCE OF THE COUNCIL STILL WANTS THE OTHER INFORMATION ALL COSTING IN THERE, THAT'S UP TO THE BALANCE OF COUNCIL.

BUT MY REQUEST IS THE CURRENT PROJECT.

AND COUNCILLOR FINAMORE WAS THE SECONDER ALSO ASKED FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON COSTING FOR THE CONTINUING MAINTENANCE OF OUR CURRENT FACILITIES, CORRECT COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? THAT'S CORRECT.

SO I'LL LEAVE THAT UNFINISHED BUSINESS MR. GAGNON.

JUST TO CLARIFY, NOW I BETTER UNDERSTAND WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION VERY QUICKLY.

IT WAS THE 2009 ERA THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE MUDDLED TO TRY TO DECIPHER BECAUSE OF THE PASSAGE OF TIME. BUT 16 AND 17 COULD BE VERY EASILY TO PULL AND ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE MEAT TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE AND THE AFOREMENTIONED OTHER CAPITAL FORECAST AS WELL.

SO WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS FOR SURE BY THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OR A SPECIAL MEETING [INAUDIBLE]. OK, THANK YOU, MR. GAGNON. ALL RIGHT, CARRYING ON, THERE'S NO PETITIONS, NO CORRESPONDENCE, NO NOTICE MOTION, COUNCILS REPORTS ON ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS EVENING.

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VERY FEW. I WAS INFORMED JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETING THAT THIS IS PARAMEDIC'S WEEK, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROCLAMATION FOR THAT.

AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR PARAMEDICS AND THE EMERGENCY SERVICES FOR THE WORK THAT THEY DO. AND I'M NOT SURE WHY.

I YOU KNOW, FOR YEARS I'VE BEEN GETTING THESE PROCLAMATIONS SENT TO ME FROM DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS, COVID HIT.

AND ALL SUDDEN I'M NOT GETTING THE EMAILS ANYMORE.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING A PROCLAMATION.

BEING SAID. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY COVID DEPENDENT, HAVING THE JUNE 18TH DAY OF MOURNING AND OFFICIAL REVEALING OF THE PROSPECTOR, ALTHOUGH THE SOFT REVEALING WAS DONE AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL.

I BELIEVE IT LOOKS LIKE A PAST VERSION OF COUNCILLOR TURNER WITH A WALKING STICK.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MS. [INAUDIBLE] MANAGED THAT AS A QUITE, QUITE BEAUTIFUL.

ELLIOT LAKE MASONIC LODGE IS HAVING A ROAST BEEF DINNER CURBSIDE PICKUP ON WEDNESDAY, JUNE 2ND.

FOR TICKETS AND TIMES.

YOU CAN CALL KEN PEARCE AT 848-3947 OR [INAUDIBLE] MCCARTHY AT 231-0662 OR RICHARD.

I CAN'T READ MY OWN WRITING.

RICHARD, WE'LL JUST SAY, RICHARD, AT 848-0405.

THERE'S ALSO AMNESTY WEEK, MR. HALLOCH, CAN YOU GIVE US THE DATES AND TIMES FOR THAT, PLEASE? YES, THANK YOUR WORSHIP JUST FOR TOMORROW.

SO EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S THE HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENT THAT WE PUT ON ANNUALLY EVERY YEAR AT THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD.

WE ASK RESIDENTS TO PLEASE ENTER THROUGH THE TIMBER ROAD NORTH, DRIVE AROUND THAT WAY AND THEN JUST BE PATIENT. OF COURSE, EVERY YEAR IT'S BUSY.

IT'S GOING TO BE RUN FROM 11 A.M.

TILL SEVEN P.M.

THERE WILL BE PEOPLE THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE DIRECTING IT THROUGH.

WE'LL HAVE PEOPLE OFF LOADING THE VEHICLE OF ALL THE HAZARDOUS WASTE.

THERE'S BEEN SOME FLYERS AND EVERYTHING HANDED OUT.

IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED ON THE RADIO AS WELL.

AND THAT'LL AFTER THAT RUNS FOR TOMORROW, SO THAT MOVING INTO THE NEXT WEEK WE'LL BE RUNNING THE ACTUAL CLEANUP WEEK OR THE ACTUAL FREE NO NO TIPPING FEES ANYWAYS AT THE LANDFILL. I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT THAT WON'T BE RUNNING ON THE TUESDAY.

THE REASON WHY IS THAT THE ACTUAL GARBAGE CURBSIDE GARBAGE DATE.

SO WE WANT TO KEEP THE LINES FROM BEING THERE AND ALLOW THE TRUCKS TO ENTER AND EXIT THE LANDFILL WITHOUT THE LINE UPS THERE.

SO IT WON'T BE ON TUESDAY, BUT IT WILL BE RUNNING FROM MONDAY, MAY THE 31ST 12 TILL 7:00 P.M. AND THAT ALLOWS THE ALSO THE OTHER CONTRACTORS TO GO EARLY IN THE MORNING FROM THE FRONT END UNITS.

AND IT'LL BE RUNNING TILL I BELIEVE IT'S SATURDAY, JUNE THE.

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M RIGHT ON THIS ONE THIRD? I HAVE THAT ONE, THAT'LL BE THE LAST EIGHT AND NINE TO FIVE ON THAT FINAL DAY, BUT EVERY OTHER DAY OTHER THAN THE TUESDAY IT'LL BE RUNNING FROM 12 TILL SEVEN PM.

SO EVERYBODY, EVERYTHING'S FREE AT THAT POINT.

THERE WON'T BE ANY TIPPING FEES ON ANYTHING BROUGHT FORWARD.

OF COURSE, CONSTRUCTION AND COMMERCIAL WILL STILL BE CHARGED AS AS NORMAL.

OK THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH, HOPEFULLY GRAHAM THOMPSON THERE PICKS THIS UP AND ADVERTISE AGAIN TOMORROW MORNING FOR YOU.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR [INAUDIBLE] COUNCIL REPORT? VERIFICATION TILL THE SATURDAY WOULD BE JUNE 5TH.

JUNE 5TH? OK. MY APOLOGIES.

SO JUNE 5TH AND AT THE SAME TIME, TOO, WE WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW, TOO, THAT THERE WILL BE FIVE VEHICLES COMING THROUGH THE LANDFILL TO FOLLOW THE ACTUAL RULES AS WELL.

AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE TO HELP OFFLOAD THE LOADS AS WELL ONCE YOU GET IN.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE OR EXIT THE VEHICLE.

EXCELLENT SERVICE WITH A SMILE.

THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH, IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCILLOR WITH EDITIONS FOR THIS WEEK'S COUNCIL'S REPORT? COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOUR WORSHIP, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE FROM THE HENNESSEY FAMILY THAT ELIJAH IS DOING VERY WELL, HAS COME THROUGH HIS OPEN HEART SURGERY, KIND OF LIKE A YO-YO ON THE WEEKEND. THINGS WERE UP AND DOWN AND THIS LITTLE GUY IS A SUPERSTAR.

HE NOW HAS FOUR CHAMBERS IN HIS HEART AND TWO VENTRICLES AND CAME OUT OF THE OPERATING ROOM, NOT VENTED ON ON AN OXYGEN MASK.

AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH A MIRACLE FOR ANYONE TO COME OUT OF HEART SURGERY LIKE THAT.

AND HE'S JUST BEEN SHOWING EVERYONE THAT HE'S JUST REALLY A LITTLE SUPERHERO.

AND TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIS MOM AND DAD, WHO HAVE BEEN BY HIS SIDE TAKING TURNS SINCE SINCE HE WAS ADMITTED. AND THEY MUST BE EXHAUSTED, BUT THEY SURE ARE HAPPY WITH THE LITTLE BOY THEY HAVE TODAY.

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WORLD CAN DO TODAY. AWESOME NEWS, THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, AND DEFINITELY THAT LITTLE BOY'S ELLIOT LAKE STRONG, THAT'S FOR SURE.

GOOD NEWS STORY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS TO COUNCIL'S REPORT BEFORE I HIT THE BIG TICKET ITEMS? NO.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL START [INAUDIBLE] ONE NETWORK'S SEVENTY THREE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED.

MINISTER OF FINANCE, MUNICIPAL POLICING, TWO HUNDRED TWENTY SEVEN THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED.

[INAUDIBLE] GENERAL SEVENTY THREE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED.

AJ BUS LINES, TRANSIT SERVICE, TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED.

ALGOMA DISTRICT SERVICES ADMIN BOARD, MUNICIPAL LEVEY ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY SIX THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED.

[INAUDIBLE] CONSTRUCTION LANDFILL CONTRACTS SIXTY SIX THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED.

BROOKE [INAUDIBLE] ART AND CULTURE [INAUDIBLE] STUDY FEASIBILITY STUDY THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED.

[INAUDIBLE] CLINICALLY THIRTY THREE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED.

THAT WOULD THAT BE THE TAX RETURN MR. GAGNON THAT WE DISCUSSED? YEAH MOST LIKELY, YEAH.

MCDOUGAL ENERGY, GAS AND DIESEL, 90 OR SORRY TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED.

[INAUDIBLE] FORTY FOUR THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED.

TRACK AND WHEELS EQUIPMENT 2020 [INAUDIBLE]TWENTY SEVEN THOUSAND.

THAT'S A BIG TICKET ITEMS. WE HAVE NO ADDENDUM THIS EVENING.

[15. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BY-LAWS]

INTRODUCTION, CONSIDERATION OF BYLAWS, FIFTEEN POINT ONE, BYLAW TWENTY ONE DASH THIRTY EIGHT. IS MOOT.

WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AGREEMENT.

PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD COMES IN FROM MR.

[16. PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD]

KEITH MOYER. QUESTION IS, CAN WE EXPECT IN THE FUTURE A COMPLETE REPORT COVERING ALL COSTS OF THE RECREATION HUB TO DATE? AND I BELIEVE WE'LL SEE THAT AS OF NEXT MEETING, MR. MOYER. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.

MS. BRAY, DID YOU GET ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE I RECEIVED IN MY INBOX.

NO JUST MR. MOYER'S. OK, THANK YOU SO CLOSED SESSION.

[17. CLOSED SESSION (if applicable)]

I HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO GET OUR EMAIL AND LOG BACK IN FOR SURE ALL RIGHT, ROLL CALL, COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN FAVOR. AND COUNCILLOR TURNER.

FAVOR. OK, NOW MOVING TO CLOSED SESSION, SEE EVERYONE SHORTLY.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

ROLL CALL VOTE COUNCILLOR TURNER.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

AND I'M IN FAVOR NOW OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.

NOTHING TO REPORT TO DIRECTION, TO STAFF.

WE HAVE A CONFIRMATORY BYLAW FOR THIS EVENING, EIGHTEEN POINT ONE BYLAW 21- [INAUDIBLE].

[18. CONFIRMATORY BY-LAW]

BEING A BYLAW CONFIRMING THE PROCEEDINGS OF COUNCIL AT ITS MEETING MAY TWENTY FIFTH, 2021 CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE. MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE AND AGAIN, A ROLL CALL VOTE, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.