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CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THIS IS A SPECIAL MEETING OF COUNCIL THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 2ND AND 1:03 P.M.THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT WERE ABLE TO MAKE IT.
COUNCILLOR CYR, COUNCILLOR PEARCE, AND COUNCILLOR TURNER ALL HAD TO SEND THEIR REGRETS FOR TODAY. I'D ASK IF THERE'S ANY DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST AT THIS TIME?
[3. DECLARATIONS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST]
ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES, CARRY ON.NO PUBLIC PRESENTATION, NO CORRESPONDENTS, SIX REPORTS, 6.1 MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR OF
[6.1. Memo from the Director of Emergency Services/Fire Chief]
EMERGENCY SERVICES, THE FIRE CHIEF, AT LEAST FOR A BUMPER FIRE TRUCK.THERE'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION HERE AT THE MOMENT.
MS. BRAY? THERE WAS ONE OF THE PART OF THE MEMO, SO I COULD JUST READ WHAT I HAD PREPARED.
THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE ENTRY INTO THE LEASE AGREEMENT FOR A PUMPER FIRE TRUCK WITH FORT ERIE FIRE TRUCKS AND THAT THE APPROPRIATE [INAUDIBLE] BE PASSED.
MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SECOND MY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
CHIEF THOMAS, LONG TIME NO SEE.
TAKE HER AWAY, PLEASE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, EVERYBODY, FOR ATTENDING.
THIS IS TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH OVER ACTUALLY IT'S BEEN ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS NOW. WE'VE BEEN HAVING ISSUES WITH TRUCKS GOING OUT OF SERVICE DUE TO MECHANICAL FAILURES.
RECENTLY, ON AUGUST 16TH, OUR 2018 SPARTAN WAS TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE DUE TO ISSUES WITH THE DIESEL EXHAUST.
WE REACHED OUT TO SPARK CANADA TO SEE WHAT THE ISSUE WAS, AND IT'S TO DO WITH THE SENDING UNIT FOR THE SYSTEM.
THE PROBLEM IS THERE IS A COMPUTER CHIP THAT RUNS THIS SYSTEM, AND THE COMPANY WHO BUILDS IT, SHAW DEVELOPMENT ARE SO FAR BEHIND BECAUSE THERE'S FIRE TRUCKS BID ACROSS NORTH AMERICA. GARBAGE TRUCKS, MOTOR HOMES THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS FAILURE.
PARTS ARE ON BACK ORDER UP TO APPROXIMATELY 19 WEEKS.
SO, THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE'RE HAVING IS WE ONLY HAVE ONE PUMPER HERE IN THE MUNICIPALITY.
IF WE HAVE TWO CALLS AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS. SO WE REACHED OUT, ACROSS ONTARIO TO SEE IF THERE WAS A PUMPER THAT WE COULD BORROW.
THEY HAVE NOTHING THAT THEY CAN SHARE WITH US DUE TO SAME ISSUES, BUT OTHERS BEING REACHED OUT TO MISSISSAUGA FIRE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL.
NOTHING. WE START REACHING OUT TO CONTRACTORS ACROSS THE PROVINCE.
WE FOUND TWO PUMPERS THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO RENT FOR APPROXIMATELY 780 DOLLARS A DAY.
BUT WHEN IT CAME TIME TO ASK FOR PROOF FOR PUMP TESTING, THAT WAS DONE IN THE LAST YEAR.
SO THEY TRIED TO RECEIVE PUMP TESTING AND GET CERTIFIED, THEY ALL FAILED.
WE REACHED OUT INTO QUEBEC AND WE REACHED OUT INTO MANITOBA TO FIRE TRUCK DEALERS IN THOSE TWO PROVINCES.
WE FOUND ONE TRUCK AT PORT GARY FIRE SUPPORT GARY FIRE TRUCKS.
IT'S A 2004 CUSTOM PUMPER THAT THEY HAVE TO RENT.
RENTAL IS 400 HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY, SO WE'RE APPROACHING 28 HUNDRED DOLLARS A WEEK.
IF WE HAVE TO RENT UP TO 19 WEEKS, IT'S 53,200 DOLLARS.
WITH THAT, THERE'S A DELIVERY CHARGE TO BRING THE TRUCK IN FROM WINNIPEG TO ELLIOT LAKE.
ACTUALLY, $3,000 DOLLARS EACH WAY.
THREE THOUSAND TO BRING TO ELLIOT LAKE, THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO SEND IT BACK.
I LOOKED AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO FLY OUT AND BRING THE TRUCK BACK MYSELF UP TO SEE IF WE CAN TAKE THE MONEY.
IT WAS CHEAPER FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY BRING THE TRUCK TO US.
AND THEN IT DID ACTUALLY HAVE A MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN ON THE WAY HERE.
THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF GETTING THE TRUCK TO ELLIOT LAKE.
SO WITH ONE FIRE TRUCK, WE HAD TO REMOVE OURSELVES FROM THE BY MUTUAL AID ASSOCIATION.
WE CANNOT SEND OUR PUMPER OUT OF TOWN TO GIVE ASSISTANCE TO THE NORTH SHORE, SPANISH OR BOYNE RIVER. THAT WOULD LEAVE US WITHOUT A TRUCK.
ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH ONLY ONE FIRE TRUCK IS IF WE HAVE A FIRE ON DUNLOP'S SHORT ROAD, [INAUDIBLE], BOBCAT TRAIL FIRE.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO REPORT THAT TWO PUMPERS WILL RESPOND TO THE CALL IF THERE'S A FIRE.
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ONE TRUCK WILL START PUTTING WATER ON THE FIRE AND THEN THE OTHER FIRE TRUCK SECONDARY WILL PUMP WATER INTO THAT ONE AND MAKE THE TRIP BACK TO ELLIOT LAKE, TO COVER THE MUNICIPALITY. WE CANNOT DO THAT AT THIS TIME.IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, WE RECEIVED NUMEROUS CALLS WHERE WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE.
WE ONLY HAD ONE STRUCTURE FIRE THAT DIDN'T GET OUT OF HAND ON US, AND NO OTHER CALLS CAME IN. WE RECEIVED AN AUTO X CALL, THE WHITE RIVER ROAD, WHERE WE COULD NOT SEND A PUMPER.
SO WE HAD TO TAKE ALL OUR EXTRA GEAR OFF THE FIRE TRUCK PUT IT ON OUR THREE QUARTER TRUCK AND RESPOND UP NORTH.
WE HAD NO WATER. SO IF THERE WAS A CAR FIRE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THERE WAS NO WAY FOR US TO DO EXTINGUISHMENT, ESPECIALLY NOT FAR FROM TOWN.
WE COULDN'T COULDN'T RISK TAKING A PUMP UP THAT FAR.
SO TODAY FORT ERIE FIRE TRUCKS IS OFFERED US THIS RECENT [INAUDIBLE] MINIMUM 30 DAYS TO RENT THE TRUCK. AND I'M LOOKING FOR YOUR APPROVAL ON ENTERING THIS AGREEMENT WITH FORT ERIE FIRE TRUCKS TO HELP US OUT.
ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, CHIEF.
NO, THERE IS. I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.
THANK YOU, WORSHIP. ALL THROUGH YOU TO THE CHIEF.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.
I THINK WE OBVIOUSLY NEED A SECOND TRUCK.
I GUESS FIRST, IT'S AWFUL DISAPPOINTING TO REALIZE THAT WE'RE STILL IN THE GRIPS OF THE PANDEMIC TO THE POINT THAT THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS BEING HALTED AND TURNED INTO ESSENTIALLY A GIANT PAPERWEIGHT BECAUSE OF A DEATH FLUID SENSOR.
BUT AGAIN AND AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF THE NATURE OF DIESEL NOWADAYS, UNFORTUNATELY.
I GUESS MY ONLY CONCERN AND I DID REACH OUT TO YOU, CHIEF, A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO TO ASK A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS, BECAUSE BASED ON THE PRICING THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, ESSENTIALLY 56000 DOLLARS.
WORST CASE SCENARIO TO 19 WEEKS.
I GUESS MY CONCERN OR QUESTION BACK TO COUNCIL TODAY WOULD BE AND KNOWING THAT YOU'VE COME BACK AND YOU KNOW, THE PRICE OF THIS VEHICLE, THE ACTUAL PURCHASE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T JUST BUY IT AND AND POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, AUGMENT OUR FLEET.
I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN OF THE OTHER TRUCK YOU'VE QUOTED AND I KNOW YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS, I'LL LET YOU SHARE THAT NUMBER WITH THE REST OF COUNCIL. BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS ONLY GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS BASED ON WORST CASE SCENARIO, RENTAL AND PURCHASING THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
OF COURSE, IF IT'S STACKS UP TO YOUR SATISFACTION FOR THE COMMUNITY, I JUST THINK THAT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION TODAY.
I THINK THE TRUCK NEEDS TO COME REGARDLESS.
I'M JUST MORE LEANING TOWARDS A POTENTIAL OWNERSHIP MODEL AS OPPOSED TO RENTAL.
AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES THAT WE ARE STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO ASSIST.
POTENTIALLY. THERE ARE SOME OPPORTUNITIES HERE THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE END UP SELLING THIS TRUCK AT THE END OF ALL THIS, THIS MAY NOT HAVE COST US ANYTHING.
IN THE END IF WE CAN SELL IT FOR A SIMILAR PRICE OF WHAT IT'S WORTH.
STOP THERE. MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS, WHERE ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE TAKING THE MONEY FROM TO PAY FOR THIS RENTAL POTENTIAL PURCHASE? THOSE ARE MY TWO COMMENTS, QUESTIONS.
YOUR WORSHIP COUNCILLOR MANN THE PRICE OF THE VEHICLE.
IT'S LISTED AS 95 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IT'S I OFFERED 85 POSSIBLY IF THIS IS THE ROUTE WHERE ORDINARY FIRE TRUCKS SAYING THEY'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT IT. HOWEVER, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE TRUCK OR MECHANICS HAVE NOT GONE OVER THE TRUCK.
SO THAT WOULD SOMETHING IF THIS WAS AN OPTION THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT, THIS TRUCK WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A COMPLETE GOING OVER BY OUR FLEET MECHANICS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TRUCK IS WORTH THE VALUE, THAT THE TRUCK IS A 2004 PUMPER.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT MILEAGE ON IT, BUT THIS TIME I KNOW THAT IT'S CERTIFIED AND IT HAS ALL THE MTO REQUIREMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THE QUESTION IS, IF WE DO EXTEND TO THE 19 PLUS WEEKS AS OF YESTERDAY, I WOULD START FROM CANADA FOR ANY UPDATES.
MY OWN PERSONAL TRUCK, I HAD A PROBLEM WITH A SENSOR.
MY TRUCK SAT AT THE DEALER FOR FOUR WEEKS.
SO THE PROBLEM IS THIS IS NORTH AMERICA WIDE, SPARTAN BUILT.
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FIRE TRUCKS, MOTOR HOMES, GARBAGE TRUCKS, SERIES OF BIG TYPE OF VEHICLES.AND THEY'RE ALL BEING AFFECTED FROM THE 2005-2020 MODEL YEAR.
YOU KNOW, WE PAY 365 THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR THIS FIRE TRUCK.
AND HERE WE'RE BEING HELD OUT BY, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THE PARTS, WHICH IT WILL BE UNDER WARRANTY IS LIKE 200 SOME ODD DOLLARS.
BUT YET I'M POSSIBLY LOOKING AT A BILL OF FIFTY THREE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS.
IT'S, I HONESTLY FEEL, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO HAVE THIS TRUCK BROUGHT INTO TOWN.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN VERY STRESSFUL.
WE HAD OUR AERIAL OUT OF TOWN FOR SIX WEEKS.
THEN THIS VEHICLE WENT DOWN FOR AN ADDITIONAL TWO WEEKS.
WE WERE ONLY HAD ONE TRUCK IN THE MUNICIPALITY THAT WAS ABLE TO RESPOND TO ANY TYPE OF EMERGENCY. SO IT'S BEEN VERY STRESSFUL HERE.
WE'VE BEEN, MYSELF AND MY FULL TIME STAFF, HAVE BEEN PLAYING THE WHAT IF GAME.
WHAT IF THIS COMES IN, HOW ARE WE GOING TO HANDLE THAT? SO IT'S BEEN VERY STRESSFUL, AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT WE DO GO ABOUT THIS ROUTE.
BUT THEN IT COMES TO A POINT AS TIME GOES ON AND WE HAVE IT'S ONE BUT.
WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THE PEOPLE.
AND THEN AS TIME GOES ON, COUNCIL, I HOPE, WE'LL COME UP WITH AN IDEA OF SAY, OK, ONCE WE REACH THIS CERTAIN POINT, IT'S TIME FOR US TO PURCHASE THE TRUCK.
NOW, ALL THE MONEY THAT WE USE TO RENT THIS TRUCK I SPOKE TO FORT ERIE.
SO IF WE DO GO OVER THE 19 WEEKS AND WE SPEND THE FIFTY THREE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS, THAT MONEY WILL GO TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF THE VEHICLE.
OF COURSE, THERE'S TAXES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SO.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL THAT I HAVE AT THIS TIME, AND HOPEFULLY I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS, COUNCILLOR MANN. IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY [INAUDIBLE] FOR YOU.
THANK YOU. I BELIEVE, COUNCILLOR MANN ALSO ASKED WHAT A RESERVE ACCOUNT THIS WOULD BE COMING OUT OF. SO WE DO HAVE A FIRE DEPARTMENT FLEET RESERVE, AND I DO BELIEVE FROM LAST TIME I LOOKED THERE IS MONEY THERE FOR THAT.
WE DO PUT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY AWAY EVERY YEAR TO HELP PAY FOR NEW VEHICLES FROM THE TIME WE PURCHASE THEM, SO THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR RENEWAL, WE HAVE THE MONEY.
WE DID DO SOME SAVINGS THERE WITH OUR BREATHING APPARATUS TO KIND OF OFFSET THIS EXTRA COSTS. SO RIGHT NOW, I WOULD SAY IT WOULD COME FROM OUR DEPARTMENT VEHICLE RESERVE.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PATRIE? THANK YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU SO COUNCILLOR MANN, I SPOKE TO THE CHIEF AND GOT A LOT OF INFORMATION, SAVES ME A LOT OF QUESTIONS.
SO IT NOW BOILS DOWN TO THREE SIMPLE QUESTIONS DURING THE RENTAL.
WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MECHANICAL BREAKDOWNS? BECAUSE IT IS A 2004 YOU SAVE.
SO THAT'S FIRST QUESTION, SIX QUESTIONS.
YOU SAY THAT THEY WILL GIVE US A REBATE FOR RENT IF WE PURCHASE IT.
SO YOU YOU COULD ORDER THIS TRUCK AND GET, GIVE US SOME TIME FOR YOU TO NEGOTIATE THE PURCHASE TO SEE ABOUT BUYING IT OR POTENTIALLY EVEN HOLD IT FOR A WHOLE 19 WEEKS AND THEN BUY IT OUT. ARE THEY WILLING TO GIVE US 100 PERCENT CREDIT ON THAT RENT THAT BECOMES SUBSTANTIAL. AND IF WE DO BUY IT AND I GET IT, I GOT IT.
I DRIVE A DIESEL THE SAME AS YOURSELF.
AND I MAY GO INTO [INAUDIBLE] MODE.
THEY'RE STUCK UNTIL YOU CAN GET THE PART.
AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ON 19 WEEKS.
SO THE ISSUE BECOMES, WHERE IS OUR CURRENT TRUCK THAT IS DOWN? SO THAT WE HAVE ROOM TO STORE THIS VEHICLE THAT'S COMING IN.
I WOULD HAVE BEEN ASKING THAT QUESTION ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT PREDICAMENT REGARDLESS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK IT'S IT'S PRUDENT TO.
IT'S BEEN 56 THOUSAND DOLLARS ON A RENTAL UNIT FOR A BACKUP UNIT, BUT ONE LIFE IS WORTH A LOT MORE MONEY THAN THAT IF WE EVER NEEDED THE VEHICLE.
SO I'M THE PENNY PINCHER, BUT IT'S A SAFETY VEHICLE THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. BUT I WOULD LEAN MORE TO THE SIDE OF THE COUNCILLOR MANN, AND I THINK I'D BE MORE INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY PURCHASING IT.
I THINK HOPEFULLY AFTER THIS MEETING, YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO MOVE FORWARD, GET THE TRUCK ON ITS WAY HERE, AND HOPEFULLY WE HAVE TIME TO FIGURE OUT THE PURCHASE OF IT EVEN WITHIN
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THE NEXT 30 DAYS. BUT IF THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US A 100 PERCENT CREDIT ON THAT, RENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION.SO WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN.
SO IF WE GO OUT AT AND IT BLOWS A TIRE, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE.
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INSURANCE OF THE VEHICLE.
IF WE PUT THE 50, IF WE RENT THE TRUCK FOR FIFTY THREE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE 19 WEEKS, 100 PERCENT OF THAT WILL GO TOWARDS THE PURCHASE PRICE.
OUR CURRENT PUMPER, MY NEW ONE THAT I HAVE SITTING, IS SITTING HERE IN THE STATION RIGHT NOW FULL OF EQUIPMENT.
SO THERE'S TRUNKFUL IF EVERYTHING GOES GOOD, SHOULD BE HERE LATE TOMORROW NIGHT.
WE WILL TAKE THE EQUIPMENT OFF OF OUR FIRST RESPONDING PUMPER OR PUT IT ON THAT ONE AND PUT IT INTO SERVICE.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO PUT THE OTHER ONE AND THE [INAUDIBLE] DOWN FOR NOW.
WE DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE IT OUT IN THE ELEMENTS.
I TALKED TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT, HEAVEN FORBID, THERE IS A FIRE IN THE STORAGE BUILDING, THAT THE TRUCK IS 100 PERCENT COVERED.
AND IT IS. I ALREADY TALKED TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY ABOUT ADDING THIS RENTAL ONTO THE FLEET SO THAT IT'S ALL TAKEN CARE OF SO THAT THERE'S NO ISSUES WHEN THE TRUCK ARRIVES.
WE FIGURE WE COULD HAVE THE TRUCK IN SERVICE WITHIN TWO AND A HALF HOURS AND WE'D BE UP AND RUNNING. I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF THAT WAS ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, ALL RIGHT. YEAH, YOU DID ANSWER THEM, AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I'M JUST AMAZED THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR MONEY BACK FOR THE PURCHASE. SO WE DO HAVE SOME TIME TO BUY, BUT.
I WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT MECHANICAL BREAKDOWN QUESTION.
IF WE'RE NOT BUYING IT, I GET IT.
IF WE BLOW A TIRE, THAT'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE.
BUT LIGHT BULBS ARE DIFFERENT.
I'M CONCERNED THAT WE'RE BUYING A 2004 UNIT.
SURE IT'S CERTIFIED, IT'S COMING HERE.
BUT IF WE'RE RENTING IT FOR FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY AND IT BREAKS DOWN A WEEKEND AND HAS A CHIP PROBLEM.
ARE WE STARTING TO PAY THIS RENT? THAT'S MY ONLY. FEAR AND THEN AS WELL DURING THE PURCHASE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO GET SOME KIND OF A WARRANTY.
YOU KNOW, LIKE USUALLY WHEN YOU RENT A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, IF IT BREAKS DOWN, YOU DON'T PAY THE RENT OR THE REPAIRS.
RIGHT. SO IF WE'RE BUYING IT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A WARRANTY.
AND IF IT IS BROKE DOWN, I GET BLOWN TIRES ON OUR EXPENSE.
IT'S THE SAME THING. IF YOU GOT IT FOR SIX MONTHS AND YOU GO THROUGH WINDSHIELD WIPERS, GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY PERSON, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO REPLACE THEM.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IF WE'RE PAYING RENT.
THAT'S REASON THEY CHARGE YOU.
FIFTY SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A MONTH'S RENT.
SO IN THE TERMS AND CONDITION AND THE CONTRACT COUNCILLOR MANN SORRY, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU, ALWAYS SAYS IT'S CRUNCH.
THE CUSTOMER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLE DURING THE RENTAL PERIOD.
NOW, I WOULD TAKE THAT AS BEING IN AN ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I WOULD NOT SAY, HEAVEN FORBID, THE TRUCK WOULD RESPOND TO A CALL AND THE ENGINE BLOWS.
RIGHT. WE SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THAT, THAT TRUCK IS FIT FOR SERVICE. SO TO ME, FIT FOR SERVICE THAT IS RESPONDING TO ANYTHING THAT WE NEEDED TO RESPOND TO DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY RENTING.
NOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID, COUNCILLOR PATRIE, THINGS HAPPEN.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THIS TRUCK COULD BREAK DOWN ON THE WAY HERE OR ONE THING WHICH IS NICE ABOUT THIS VEHICLE.
IT DOES NOT HAVE DEF, WHICH IS GREAT.
I FIND THAT DEF HAS PRETTY MUCH TAKEN THE RELIABILITY OUT OF EVERYTHING.
IT'S SO FINICKY AND AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S STILL KIND OF NEW TECHNOLOGY.
AND PARTS ARE AWFUL, AWFUL TO GET AND HARD TO FIND.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE AGREEMENT THAT I HAVE HERE WITH THEM, WHERE I WOULD TAKE IT THAT IF IT WAS IN AN ACCIDENT, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT, WHICH WOULD GO
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THROUGH OUR INSURANCE.BUT IT'S A MECHANICAL FAILURE.
I DON'T FEEL THAT WE ARE LIABLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AT THE PUMP.
BESIDES THAT, IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF BEARING OR STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE WOULD. THERE'S NOTHING WRITTEN SAYING THAT WE ARE, BUT THERE'S NOTHING WRITTEN SAYING.
SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE IF I COULD GET THAT CLARIFIED WITH THAT FROM FORT ERIE.
I COULD CALL AND MAKE A QUESTION, BUT.
I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THIS, COUNCILLOR PATRIE, IS THERE'S THREE DEPARTMENTS WAITING FOR THIS TRUCK RIGHT NOW.
I WAS HOPING TO HAVE THE TRUCK HERE LAST WEEK.
I WENT THROUGH THE CAO AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND HE SAID, OK, MAKE ARRANGEMENTS.
GET IT HERE. AND WHEN I CALLED, THEY ALREADY RENTED IT OUT TO A FIRE DEPARTMENT BETWEEN MANITOBA AND SASKATCHEWAN.
AND NOW THEY'RE WAIT FOR ME TO SAY, OK, WE NEED TO KNOW IF YOU WANT IT, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WANT IT. SO.
AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT PRESSURE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT I KIND OF LIKE THE DECISION TODAY TO SAY SEND THE TRUCK. I DON'T WANT TO DELAY IT ANY LONGER BECAUSE THE LONGER THAT WE DELAY.
I FEEL THAT WE'RE PUTTING THE COMMUNITY AT RISK.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S BEEN PRETTY STRESSFUL THE WAY IT'S BEEN GOING RIGHT NOW AND.
YEAH, BUT IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, I WILL DO MY BEST TO TRY TO GET IT TO YOU.
BUT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, OBVIOUSLY, TO TELL YOU HOW COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THIS. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? IF I MAY, ONE JUST ONE LAST FOLLOW UP ON THAT ITEM, YOUR WORSHIP SORRY.
I THINK THE MAYOR IS FROZEN OR IS IT? WELL, I'VE BEEN FROZEN SIX DIFFERENT AREAS.
SO IF I COULD JUST GET ONE LAST CLARIFICATION.
SO I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO HOLD THIS UP.
I WANT THIS TRUCK ORDERED IMMEDIATELY.
I JUST WANT YOU TO GO BACK AND GET IN WRITING FROM THEM LOGICALLY.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND YES, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE. I JUST DON'T WANT THEM TO GET US THAT TRUCK.
WE'RE PAYING FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS A DAY.
AND THEN THEY WANT US TO REPLACE THE MOTOR.
SO LOGICALLY, ANY RENTAL AGREEMENT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR BREAK DOWN.
AND THEN WHILE YOU'RE WORKING ON THE PURCHASE INFORMATION, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BRING BACK THE COUNCIL JUST WHEN IT COMES BACK.
I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF WARRANTY THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US ON THIS UNIT.
BUT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DELAYING THIS, I WANT AN ORDER AND I WOULD LIKE IT JUST IN CASE.
BUT I WANT THAT INFORMATION SUPPLIED WITH THE DEAL.
I WILL DO THAT. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, SIR.
YOU TOO. CHIEF THOMAS, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE AND MAKE THE PHONE CALL, I CAN ASK MY QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.
I THINK THAT THIS IS A NO BRAINER FOR US AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND ACTUALLY FOR MUTUAL AID. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS HAVING A THIRD PUMPER IN THIS REGION WILL BE A BENEFIT TO EVERYBODY IN THE REGION AND THAT WAY, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE IS IF YOU GET IT HERE AND IT'S NOT.
WHAT YOU EXPECTED, AND IT'S NOT MECHANICALLY, I THINK IT IS.
I'D LIKE YOU TO START LOOKING AROUND FOR I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IT HERE UNTIL WE FIND SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE THE END OF THE DISCUSSION.
OBVIOUSLY, HAVING A THIRD PUMPER IS SOMETHING THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO US AS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
I KNOW DOWN SOUTH HAVE PEOPLE I HAVE FAMILY WORKING IN THE CAR INDUSTRY.
AND TOYOTA LAID THEIR WHOLE PLANT OFF WITH A WEEK'S, LOSING A WEEK'S WAGES OVER PARTS NOT COMING IN FROM ANYWHERE.
SO THIS IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM WITH EVERYBODY.
SO I'M NOT SURE 19 WEEKS IS EVEN REALISTIC OR COULD GO ON LONGER.
SO I DEFINITELY WANT TO LOOK AT PURCHASING THIS.
I DEFINITELY WANT YOU TO BRING IT IN.
AND I THANK YOU AND YOUR FIREFIGHTERS FOR CARING ENOUGH ABOUT THE COMMUNITY TO BRING THIS FORWARD AND TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE SAFETY OF ALL OF US.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET WHAT WE NEED AND WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED.
SO. IF THIS ISN'T WHAT FITS YOUR BILL, THEN PLEASE CONTINUE TO LOOK AND COME BACK WITH ANOTHER SOLUTION. IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYONE'S PRETTY MUCH ON THE SAME PAGE, CHIEF, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO RENT IT AND HAVE OUR GUYS WITH OVER IT AND TEST DRIVE DRIVABLE BEFORE MAKING THAT PROCESS.
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ALL SOUNDS GOOD. I'LL GET MS. BRAY TO READ THE RESOLUTION ONCE AGAIN.THANK YOU. THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE ENTERING INTO A RELEASE AGREEMENT FOR A FIRE TRUCK WAS FORT ERIE FIRE TRUCKS AND THAT THE APPROPRIATE BALLOT BE PASSED.
COUNCILLOR MANN? IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PATRIE? YES, I'M IN FAVOR.
I'M IN FAVOR ALSO. THANK YOU AGAIN, CHIEF.
THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
THANK YOU. SEVEN AND BYELAWS, 7.1 BY LAW, NUMBER 21-74 BEING A BY LAW TO AUTHORIZE THE
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ENTERING INTO AGREEMENT FOR THE BUMPER FIRE TRUCK.CAN WE MOVE PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
AND SHOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CALL FOR THE ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE. IN FAVOR, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? IT LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS IN FAVOR, OK.
COUNCILLOR MANN? IN FAVOR, I'M IN FAVOR ALSO.
7.2 BY LAW NUMBER 21-76 BEING A BYLAW AUTHORIZED, ENTERING INTO A RENTAL AGREEMENT FOR THE
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USE OF AMAZING FARM EQUIPMENT.SECOND HERE? COUNCILLOR MANN? I SECOND.
OK. QUESTIONS WITH THE BYLAW? COUNCILLOR PATRIE? MY ONLY ISSUE IS, IS CLAUSE 17 OF THE RENTAL AGREEMENT.
SO THIS IS A RENTAL AGREEMENT FOR A RENTAL OF THE UNIT THEY ARE SUPPLYING, INSTALLING AND OPERATING THIS EQUIPMENT.
CLAUSE 17 SAYS THAT WE WE ASSUME FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DAMAGE OR LOSS TO EQUIPMENT DURING THE CONTRACTED TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT STRICKEN.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN TOTAL CONTROL OF IT.
IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR STAFF DAMAGED THIS EQUIPMENT.
AND TRUST ME, I UNDERSTAND THIS EQUIPMENT LEFT, RIGHT AT THE CENTER TO MY LIGHTS.
OK, MS., HENNESSEY, ARE YOU THERE? YES, I AM. CAN YOU HEAR COUNCILLOR PATRIE'S CONCERNS? YES, I DID. I KNOW THAT NATALIE AND AMY HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THIS COMPANY.
SO DID YOU WANT ME TO GO BACK, NATALIE, TO AND HAVE NUMBER 17 STRICKEN OFF? I CAN MAKE THAT ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGE AND I CAN CONFIRM WITH THE COMPANY AND HAVE THAT SIGNED WHEN THE MECHANISM DESIGNED TO PROVE WE CAN HAVE AN ARRANGEMENT THAT HAS THE BYLAWS AMENDED. SO IS THAT SATISFACTORY TO EVERYONE I SEE ALL NODDING HEADS, OK, PERFECT.
AS AMENDED ROLL CALL, I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR MANN THIS TIME.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? IN FAVOR.
COUNCILLOR PATRIE? IN FAVOR, AS AMENDED.
AS AMENDED, I'M IN FAVOR, SO THAT IS CARRIED.
THANK YOU. EIGHT, NO PUBLIC RESTROOM, PERIOD.
NINE, NO CLOSED SESSION, 10, CONFIRMATORY BYLAW.
[10.1. By-Law No. 21-75]
NUMBER 21-75 BEING A BYLAW TO CONFIRM THE PROCEEDINGS OF COUNCIL AT THE SPECIAL MEETING HELD THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2021,.SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THANK YOU. AND ROLL CALL AGAIN.
I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.
IN FAVOR, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? IN FAVOR, COUNCILLOR PATRIE? IN FAVOR. AND I AM IN FAVOR.
ADJOURNMENT. MOTION TO ADJOURN? [INAUDIBLE] COUNCILLOR FINAMORE AGAIN.
THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.