Jan 24, 2022 City Council

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU. 6.2, REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF CLERKS AND PLANNING APPLICATION FOR DEEMING BYLAW 3 ESTEN DRIVE SOUTH.

RECOMMENDATION, THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF CLERKS AND PLANNING SERVICES CONCERNING AN APPLICATION FOR DEEMING BYLAW FROM MR. AND MRS. HONSBERGER FOR PLAN 1M440.

LOT 67.

PCL 67–1.

SECTION 1M4400.

ROLL NO. 5741-000-058-07000 AND PART 1 ON PLAN

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1R-13811 PART OF PLAN 1M440, BLOCK 80.

CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL ENACT A DEEMING BYLAW PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 OF THE PLANNING ACT, SO AS TO DEEM THE TWO PROPERTIES AS NOT BEING REGISTERED LOTS WITHIN A PLAN OF SUBDIVISION.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

MS. BRAY, IF YOU WOULD.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

YEAH. SO BEFORE US TODAY IS AN APPLICATION FOR A DEEMING BYLAW.

THIS IS FURTHER TO MR. AND MS. HONSBERGER'S APPLICATION FOR A ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT, SO THEY ARE REQUESTING TO DEEM THE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER INTO ONE LOT IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A 24 BY 24 GARAGE.

THE APPLICANTS ARE THE OWNERS OF 3 ESTEN DRIVE SOUTH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH ONE SINGLE DETACHED DWELLING AND THEY RECENTLY PURCHASED FROM THE CITY A PORTION OF BLOCK 80 PLAN 1M440 ABUTTING THEIR PROPERTY WITH THE WIDTH OF 11 METERS AND A DEPTH OF 34 METERS. A DEEMING BYLAW IS REQUIRED AS THE LANDS CANNOT BE MERGED TOGETHER WITHOUT THE CONSENT FROM COUNCIL, AND THAT WILL FACILITATE THE REMOVAL OF THE INTERNAL LOT LINE.

SO, THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS, THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE TWO LOTS AND REGISTRATION ON TITLE WILL RESULT IN THE OWNER RECEIVING ONE PROPERTY TAX BILL AND RESIDENTIAL ASSESSMENT WILL NOW APPLY TO THE ONCE VACANT PROPERTY UPON CONSOLIDATION.

SO, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT COUNCIL EXERCISE AUTHORITY UNDER SECTION 50 OF THE PLANNING ACT AND PASS THE BYLAW TO DEEM THE PROPERTIES NOT TO BE REGISTERED IN A PLAN OF SUBDIVISION. OK, THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? COUNCILLOR TURNER. YES.

THANK YOUR WORSHIP. MS. BRAY, THE-- IT'S A SMALL MAP ATTACHED TO THE REPORT HERE AND THE WAY I READ IT, IT APPEARS TO BE AN AREA BEHIND THREE SEPARATE PROPERTIES.

IS THAT CORRECT OR IS IT? NO, I APOLOGIZE. SO THAT MAP IS ACTUALLY NOT THE GREATEST.

I APOLOGIZE. I THINK ATTACHED TO THEIR APPLICATION IS A BETTER DRAWING.

IT'S DIRECTLY ABUTTING THEIR PROPERTY, SO THEY PURCHASED A SMALL PARCEL BESIDE THEM IN ORDER TO CONSTRUCT A GARAGE.

OK, SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO BUILD BEHIND OTHER PEOPLE'S HOUSES.

NO, NOTHING BEHIND IT.

IT'S DIRECTLY BESIDE THEIR PROPERTY.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR TURNER.

COUNCILLOR CYR. IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

[INAUDIBLE], SORRY, I SIDE IN FAVOR.

[LAUGHTER] COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOU. 6.3, REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF CLARKS AND PLANNING SERVICES APPLICATION FOR DEEMING BYLAW 133 AND 135 FROBEL DRIVE.

OH MAN! RECOMMENDATION, THAT THE REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF CLERKS AND PLANNING SERVICES CONCERNING AN APPLICATION FOR DEEMING BYLAW FROM MR. AND MRS. KUZMA FOR PLAN 1M440 LOT ONE PCL 1-1 ROLL NUMBER 5741-000-058- 00100 AND PLAN 1M441 PART BLOCK 84.

RP 1R11468 PART TWO ROLL NUMBER 5741-000-057-07496, KNOWN MUNICIPALLY AS 133 AND 135 FROBEL DRIVE, CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE BE RECEIVED. THAT COUNCIL ENACT A DEEMING BYLAW PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 OF THE PLANNING ACT, SO AS TO DEEM THE TWO PROPERTIES AS NOT BEING REGISTERED LOTS WITHIN A PLAN OF SUBDIVISION. AGAIN, A MOVER, PLEASE.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

AND AGAIN MS. BRAY, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SO AGAIN, THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A DEEMING BYLAW SUBMITTED BY THE OWNER OF THE SUBJECT LANDS REQUESTING TO MERGE 133 AND 135 FROBEL DRIVE TOGETHER INTO ONE LOT FOR POSSIBLE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

THE APPLICANTS ARE THE OWNERS OF 135 FROBEL DRIVE, WHICH IS CURRENTLY DEVELOPED WITH ONE

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SINGLE DETACHED DWELLING, AND THEY RECENTLY PURCHASED 135, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A VACANT LOT. SO AGAIN, A DEEMING BYLAW IS REQUIRED AS THE LANDS CANNOT BE MERGED TOGETHER WITHOUT THE CONSENT FROM COUNCIL.

THE PROPOSED DEEMING BYLAW AND RESULTING PARCEL WILL BE UTILIZED FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, WHICH IS PERMITTED IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA OF THE OFFICIAL PLAN.

THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE TWO LOTS AND REGISTRATION ON TITLE WILL RESULT IN THE OWNER RECEIVING ONE PROPERTY TAX BILL, AND AGAIN, IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT COUNCIL EXERCISE ITS AUTHORITY UNDER SECTION 50 OF THE PLANNING ACT TO PASS A BYLAW TO DEEM THE PROPERTIES AS NOT TO BE REGISTERED IN A PLAN OF SUBDIVISION.

OK, THANK YOU, MISS BRAY, AGAIN.

I'D ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? OK, COUNCILLOR TURNER.

YEAH, THANKS.

MS. BRAY SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY MERGING TWO PROPERTIES.

AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE A DOUBLE SIZED LOT ON A STREET WITH SINGLE LOTS, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT, SO THIS ONE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, THIS IS A PRIVATE SALE.

THEY PURCHASED THE LOT.

IT WAS NOT FROM THE CITY AND IT'S CORRECTLY ZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL.

SO, THEY ARE JUST LOOKING TO REMOVE THAT INTERNAL LINE AND LOOKING AT FUTURE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND TO JUST RECEIVE ONE PROPERTY BILL GOING FORWARD.

BUT IT'S SINGLE RESIDENTS, IT'S NOT-- THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY HERE TO DROP SOMETHING, MULTI-RES. NO.

CORRECT. OK, GOOD, THANK YOU.

OK, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THROUGH YOU TO MS. BRAY, I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS AN ACCURATE QUESTION, BUT I'M GOING TO ASK IT ANYWAY. WAS THERE A COVENANT ON 133 AND WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT COVENANT WHEN WE JOIN THE LOT LINES? I'M NOT-- I JUST I'VE NEVER SEEN A SALE OF-- I'VE NEVER SEEN US DO THIS WITH AN EMPTY LOT. SO, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THAT STANDS.

[INAUDIBLE].

THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

SO, THIS WAS A PRIVATE SALE, THE CITY DIDN'T SELL THIS PROPERTY TO THE APPLICANTS, SO THERE IS NO COVENANT ON THAT.

THEY CAN KEEP THAT LOT AND DO WHAT THEY WISH WITH THAT.

OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL ONCE AGAIN, STARTING FROM COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

FAVOR COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU. 6.4, REPORT FROM THE MUSEUM CORE CURATOR ADDITION OF A FOURTH COLUMN AT MINER'S MEMORIAL PARK.

RECOMMENDATION, THAT THE REPORT OF THE MUSEUM CURATED DATED JANUARY 19, 2022, BE RECEIVED AND THAT THE REQUIRED FUNDS, WHICH WOULD BE $23,815 DOLLARS FOR THE ADDITION OF A FOURTH COLUMN AT THE MINER'S MEMORIAL, BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE MINER'S MEMORIAL CARE FUND.

CAN I HAVE THEM OVER, PLEASE? BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE AND I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU MS. D’AMATO. GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL AND THANK YOU, THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND AS YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR, THE MINER'S MEMORIAL IS DEDICATED TO ALL OF THE WORKERS WHO DIED AS A RESULT OF WORKPLACE ACCIDENTS OR OCCUPATIONAL ILLNESS WHILE WORKING AT THE MINES AND ELLIOT LAKE.

THE NAMES OF THESE WORKERS ARE ENGRAVED ON THE MINER'S MEMORIAL COLUMNS AND EACH YEAR AT THE DISCRETION OF THE MINER'S MEMORIAL NAMED SELECTION COMMITTEE AND COUNCIL, NEW NAMES ARE ADDED AND UNVEILED ON THE DAY OF MOURNING.

SO, CURRENTLY THERE IS ONLY A SINGLE PLACEHOLDER AVAILABLE ON THE MINER'S MEMORIAL COLUMNS FOR NEW WORKERS TO BE ENSHRINED.

SO, WHILE THERE ARE A FINITE NUMBER OF WORKERS WHO ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS HONOR, WE DO ANTICIPATE AN INFLUX OF INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD POTENTIALLY QUALIFY DUE TO RECENT EFFORTS OF WORKERS ADVOCATES.

SO, THANKS TO THE TIRELESS WORK OF INDIVIDUALS LIKE JANICE MARTELL WITH THE MCINTYRE POWDER PROJECT MORE OCCUPATIONAL ILLNESSES ARE BEING RECOGNIZED AND COMPENSATED BY THE WSIB, AND RECOGNITION FROM THIS BOARD IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS BY THE MINER'S MEMORIAL NAME SELECTION COMMITTEE.

AND CURRENTLY, THE COMMITTEE DOES HAVE SEVEN APPLICATIONS TO REVIEW AT THEIR ANNUAL MEETING, WHICH ALL HOLD A HIGH POTENTIAL FOR APPROVAL.

DUE TO THE LIMITED SPACE AVAILABLE FOR NEW INDUCTEES, IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT AN ADDITIONAL COLUMN IS PROCURED FOR THE MINER'S MEMORIAL SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE AND RECOGNITION.

THE ARTIST, LORD BROWN BREETVELT, WHO WAS COMMISSIONED TO DO THE REST OF THE MINER'S

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MEMORIAL PARK, HAS BEEN CONSULTED AND IT IS HER RECOMMENDATION THAT AN ADDITIONAL COLUMN BE INSTALLED OPPOSITE THE CURRENT THREE, BEHIND THE STATUE OF THE MINER.

[INAUDIBLE] THE ESTIMATED TOTAL COST OF THE COLUMN IS $23,815 DOLLARS.

THIS INCLUDES THE LABOR SHIPPING AND INSTALLATION, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IN THE QUOTATION FROM THE LAURA BROWN BREETVELT INC.

AND THIS WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THE ENGRAVING FOR ANY ADDITIONAL NAMES [INAUDIBLE].

ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR THIS PROJECT WOULD EXIST IN THE STAFF TIME IT WOULD TAKE TO PREPARE THE FOUNDATION FOR THE COLUMN, AS WELL AS NECESSARY INTERLOCKING BRICKWORK, WHICH WOULD ALL BE HANDLED BY OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

AND IT IS ESTIMATED THAT THE UPSET LIMIT OF $35,616 DOLLARS AS PRESENTED IN THE 2022 CAPITAL BUDGET AND APPROVED IN PRINCIPLE, WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THESE ADDITIONAL COSTS. HOW THIS PROJECT ALIGNS WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN THROUGH SUPPORTING THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY BY MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING CULTURAL FACILITIES AS THE MINER'S MEMORIAL IS A CONSTITUENT OF THE NUCLEAR AND MINING MUSEUM.

SO TO SUMMARIZE, AN ADDITIONAL COLUMN FOR THE MINER'S MEMORIAL IS ESSENTIAL, AS THERE IS CURRENTLY NO SPACE FOR NEW NAMES TO BE ADDED TO THE WALL.

IT HAS BECOME A TRADITION FOR THE CITY TO ENGRAVE THE NAMES OF ELLIOT LAKE MINE WORKERS WHO HAVE PASSED DUE TO OCCUPATIONAL INJURY AND ILLNESS, AND IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO UPHOLD THIS HONOR AND RECOGNIZE THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES IN CONTRIBUTION TO BUILDING THE COMMUNITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AS WE KNOW IT TODAY.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. D’AMATO. JUST A QUICK QUESTION BEFORE I OPEN IT UP.

THE QUESTION THAT CAME TO ME RECENTLY WAS, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO USE THE SPACE ON THE SIDES OF THE EXISTING COLUMNS TO ADD ADDITIONAL NAMES? OR WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DISRESPECTFUL TO THE CURRENT INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE ON THERE? THOUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, IT WAS A SUGGESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO LAURA BREETVELT. AND WHILE IT IS DEFINITELY A POSSIBILITY, IT WAS AGAINST HER ARTISTIC INTENTIONS FOR THE MEMORIAL PARK, SO IT IS HER RECOMMENDATION THAT WE DO PROCURE A NEW ADDITIONAL WALL TO CONTINUE ADDING THE NAMES.

AND A PART OF THIS REASONING IS BECAUSE AS THE WALLS ARE POSITIONED, ALL OF THE NAMES ARE BEING LOOKED OVER BY THE MINER'S STATUE.

AND HER IDEA FOR CONTINUING THIS PROJECT IS THAT THE NEW COLUMN, THE FOURTH COLUMN BEHIND THE STATUE, SHE WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY ADD A HEADLAMP SO THAT THOSE NEW NAMES WILL BE ILLUMINATED AS WELL.

IN KEEPING WITH WHAT IS CURRENTLY THERE, AND THAT'S HER ARTISTIC VISION AT THE MOMENT.

SO ESSENTIALLY, IT WOULD BE A BIT OF DISRESPECT AND THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE LIGHT SHONE ON THEM. UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THROUGH YOU.

I HAVE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION.

THE COMMENT IS THANK YOU, AMELIA, FOR THIS.

THIS IS GREAT. I KNOW THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THIS DONE AND WE CAN GET IT. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS TIMING.

WHEN WOULD THIS BE READY AND WILL IT BE READY IN TIME FOR US TO HAVE THE-- WHEN WE HAVE THE MEMORIAL? HOPEFULLY, WE HAVE THE MEMORIAL THIS SPRING.

WOULD IT BE READY IN TIME FOR THAT? THANK YOU THROUGH MY CONVERSATIONS WITH LAURA, IT DOES SEEM THAT IT WOULD BE READY IN TIME FOR THE MEMORIAL, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WITH THE CAVEAT THAT THERE'S NO DELAYS WITH THE PRODUCTION OF THE MONUMENT AND SHIPPING AND THE INSTALLATION.

A BIG THING WE DO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS JUST THE WEATHER.

WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE-- WHETHER IT'S GOING TO-- THE GROUND IS GOING TO BE STABLE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THE WEIGHT OF THE COLUMN AT THAT TIME IN THE EARLY SPRING.

BUT WE'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE IT AT LEAST ON THE SITE FOR THE DAY OF MOURNING CEREMONY, AND IT CAN BE INSTALLED WHEN IT'S FEASIBLE TO DO SO.

MR. HALLOCH, YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT TIMING.

OH YEAH, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS TOGETHER.

SO, ONE OF-- IT'S ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WE'LL BE GETTING THE MONUMENT DOWN HERE IN TIME.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN DELAYS IN THAT PAST THINGS.

SO, IF WE GET EVERYTHING DOWN AND WEATHER COOPERATES LIKE SHE MENTIONED, MY CREW WILL HAVE IT PREPPED AND READY TO GO.

SO, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF EXACTLY-- WE'VE HAD SOME BAD APRILS BEFORE, SO THAT'LL BE A BIG

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POINT OF THAT. AND THEN HOPEFULLY HAVING THAT MONUMENT DOWN AND READY TO BE INSTALLED IN PLACE. OK, THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE ASKED, AND MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED, I DO SUPPORT THIS 100 PERCENT AND I'M SURE THAT THE FAMILIES WHOSE NAMES ARE GOING TO BE ADDED WILL UNDERSTAND IF IT'S NOT READY FOR APRIL, THAT WE CAN HAVE AN OPENING WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE, WHEN IT'S DONE PROPERLY. I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IT DONE HALVED-- WE WANT TO SEE IT HALF BAKED AND NOT DONE PROPERLY AND SHOW ANY DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY.

BUT I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS AND I THINK THERE'S ROOM BACK THERE TO EVEN ADD MORE IF WE NEED IT, SO THAT I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO THIS.

AND THAT'S WHY THE MONEY'S RAISED AND PUT IN A RESERVIST FOR EXPENDITURES LIKE THIS.

SO. THANK YOU, AMELIA AND DARLA FOR ALL THE--.

OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OK. SEEING NONE.

YES, THANK YOU. ONCE AGAIN, WE'LL LOOK FORWARD TO THIS EDITION IN THE FUTURE AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER AND COVID WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST BY THIS TIME IN APRIL. THAT'D BE GREAT.

I'LL CALL ONCE AGAIN ROLL CALL VOTE.

STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

FAVOR COUNCILLOR CYR.

IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR THAT IS CARRIED.

THANK YOU. 6.5, REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

UPDATE ON LETTER OF INTENT TO PURCHASE MULTIPLE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES FOR DEVELOPMENT AS THIS MATTER, DEALS WITH PROPOSED OR PENDING DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY BY THE MUNICIPALITY, MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239(2)(C) OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER TO PUT THIS IN CLOSED? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

ANY QUESTIONS? QUALMS? QUERIES? COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ITEM B ON OUR CLOSED SESSION PACKAGE BECAUSE THE NUMBERS DON'T COINCIDE WITH THE REPORT? MS. BRAY.

I SWITCHED AROUND TO THE ITEMS FOR CLOSED JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THE ATTENDEES.

SO, WHEN WE GET TO CLOSED SESSION, THEY'RE ALL LABELED AND WE'LL IDENTIFY THEM PROPERLY.

BUT THIS WOULD BE B IN THIS CLOSED SESSION PACKAGE.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? SEEING NONE, I WILL CALL FOR A VOTE.

SHOW OF HANDS WOULD BE SIMPLE FOR THIS.

FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR ALSO THAT IS CARRIED TO CLOSE.

THIS ITEM I'M IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU. 6.6, REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

UPDATE ON UNSOLICITED OFFER TO PURCHASE MUNICIPAL PROPERTY AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH THE PROPOSED OR PENDING DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY BY THE MUNICIPALITY MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239(2)(C) OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.

AGAIN MOVER TO PUT THIS IN CLOSED.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR TURNER SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

ANY QUESTIONS? QUALMS? QUERIES? COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I DON'T AGREE THAT THIS SHOULD BE PUT INTO CLOSED SESSION.

THIS IS A MUNICIPAL ASSET, IT'S NOT JUST VACANT LAND, AND I THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE AT LEAST TO HEAR ABOUT THIS ITEM PRIOR TO IT COMING JUST TO A FINAL FRUITION. THEY DO NOT GET TO HAVE ANY INPUT OTHER THAN THE FINAL MEETING.

THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IT'S BEEN HERE, AND I THINK THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DISPOSING OF THIS ASSET.

OK. AS PER USUAL, ANY NEGOTIATIONS CAN BE DONE IN CLOSED SESSION, BUT DOES NOT NEED TO.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IT'S ONE OF THOSE [INAUDIBLE], SO TO COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.

BUT ALL FINAL PROPERTY ISSUES ARE DONE IN OPEN SESSION, JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE.

SO, I WOULD ASK FOR A ROLL-CALL VOTE, WHETHER WE FINALIZE THIS DISCUSSION IN CLOSED SESSION OR NOT. START WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.

VOTING IF IT GOES IN CLOSED? YEAH. IN FAVOR.

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COUNCILLOR TURNER. FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. IN FAVOR.

OPPOSED. I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S MOVED TO CLOSED.

6.7, REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UNSOLICITED LETTER OF INTENT TO PURCHASE MUNICIPAL PROPERTY AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH A PROPOSED OR PENDING DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY BY THE MUNICIPALITY MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239(2)(C) OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.

AGAIN, LOOKING FOR A MOVE TO PUT THIS IN CLOSED.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? SEEING NONE, [INAUDIBLE] ROLL CALL.

ONCE AGAIN, STARRING COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR CYR.

IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED TO CLOSED ALSO.

THANK YOU. 6.8, REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

RE: SURPLUS LAND NOT CLOSED SESSION.

ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DATED JANUARY 18, 2022, BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL DECLARE 150-180 MISSISSAUGA AVENUE AS SURPLUS LANDS FOR SALE AND THAT COUNCIL DECLARE 75-85 DIEPPE AVENUE AS SURPLUS LANDS FOR SALE AND THAT COUNCIL DECLARE 25 WILLOUGHBY ROAD AS SURPLUS LANDS FOR SALE.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THROUGH YOU TO THE REST OF THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

AS MENTIONED IN THE PAST, THE CITY CONTINUES TO RECEIVE A HIGH VOLUME OF INTEREST IN VACANT LANDS FOR RESIDENTIAL MULTIPURPOSE USAGE IN CLOSED SESSION BACK IN JANUARY.

I SAY BACK TWO WEEKS AGO IN JANUARY 10TH OF 2022, STAFF REQUESTED DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO MAKE AVAILABLE SURPLUS LANDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY FOR MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. STAFF DID-- THE RESEARCH FOUND SEVERAL OF THESE LANDS, WHICH ARE LISTED HERE, CONSULTED WITH OUR PLANNER AND TO MAKE THEM AVAILABLE AND FACILITATE THE SALES OF VACANT LAND. A COUNCIL DECLARATION OF SURPLUS LANDS IS REQUIRED, SO WE-- ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE MULTIPLE GROUPS OF ADDRESSES, STAFF-- IT'S REALLY TWO LOCATIONS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE IDEAL FOR MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL.

THE FIRST AREA IS 150 TO 180 MISSISSAUGA AND 75 TO 85 DIEPPE AVENUE.

TO GIVE COUNCIL SOME CONTEXT, THAT ESSENTIALLY IS THE PARCEL OF LAND BETWEEN TECUMSEH AND TIMMINS ROAD.

THE 75 TO 85 DIEPPE IS ON THE TOP SIDE AND THE 150 TO 180 IS ON THE BOTTOM SIDE.

THERE IS THE BINGO PLUS BINGO HALL THERE, THERE IS A RESIDENTIAL AT THE TOP OF TECUMSEH AND DIEPPE, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BUILDING AT TIMMINS AND DIEPPE.

SO, THIS IS A LARGE OPEN AREA IN THE MIDDLE SURROUNDED BY MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL.

MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AS WELL.

SO, IDEAL FOR CONTINUING DEVELOPMENT INTO THAT BECAUSE TYPICALLY TRYING TO NESTLE A SINGLE UNIT RESIDENTIAL AMONG THOSE OTHER MULTI UNITS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.

SO, JUST LOOKING FOR COUNCIL TO DECLARE THEM SURPLUS SO WE CAN SELL IT.

MOST OF THIS LAND SALES WITHIN-- THE CITY FOR TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND PER ACRE.

BUT AGAIN, SOMETHING WE CAN REVISIT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUT BY DECLARING THEM SURPLUS THAN STAFF CAN GET THEM SURVEYED AND GET SOME MEASUREMENTS AND SOME INFORMATION. SO, I LEAVE IT TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

WITH ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO HELP.

OK, THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOUR WORSHIP.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY TO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE BETWEEN TIMMINS AND TECUMSEH THAT IT'S NOT THEIR HOUSES.

IT'S ACTUALLY TIMMINS AND DUNN ROAD, I BELIEVE IS THE PROPERTY MR. ANTUNES. I DIDN'T WANT TO CONCERN THOSE PEOPLE LIVING ALONG DENISON AVENUE THAT THEIR HOUSES WERE IN SOME KIND OF PERIL THIS EVENING.

IT'S THE VACANT LAND, NOT THE HOUSES.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR MANN.

I APPRECIATE THAT. SORRY FOR THE ERROR.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I DO BELIEVE THAT LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE, THIS COUNCIL DECLARED ALL OF OUR VACANT LAND AS SURPLUS SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO CONTINUALLY GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS SO THAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT COULD MARKET AND FIND PURCHASERS FOR ANY LAND THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND HOLD AS VACANT LAND.

SO, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION FOR THAT BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR OTHERWISE.

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MR. ANTUNES? THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THANK YOU COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN SPEAKING TO THE PLANNER IN PASSING, IT SEEMED TO NEED TO HAVE SPECIFIC AREAS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD FROM [INAUDIBLE] RICHARDS THAT IT WAS A SPECIFIC AREA THAT WE HAD TO NAME THEM A SURPLUS. IF WE WERE TO DEEM EVERY SQUARE INCH THAT THERE ISN'T A HOUSE IN ELLIOT LAKE AS SURPLUS LAND THAT CERTAINLY MAKES MY JOB A HECK OF A LOT EASIER TO CRAM WHATEVER I CAN ANYWHERE IN TOWN.

BUT IT SEEMED OUR DIRECTION WAS IF WE WANTED TO NAME AN AREA SURPLUS THAT WE HAD TO DEEM A CERTAIN SPOT, BUT CERTAINLY HAPPY TO FOLLOW THE LEAD FROM ANYTHING COUNCIL WANTS TO DIRECT OR SEND ME BACK TO THE PLANNER TO GET MORE INFORMATION.

BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY, MR. ANTUNES. . I KNOW THESE PROPERTIES WEREN'T ACTUALLY LISTED.

MS. BRAY, MIGHT HAVE MORE INFORMATION.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. JUST LOOKING THROUGH QUICKLY THE RESOLUTION DATABASE AND THE LANDS THAT HAVE BEEN DECLARED SURPLUS HAVE HAD SPECIFIC ADDRESSES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM GOING BACK AS FAR AS 2016.

SO, THERE HASN'T BEEN A CHUNK OF PROPERTIES BLANKLY LISTED AS SURPLUS, IT'S BEEN VERY SPECIFIC ADDRESSES.

OK. THANK YOU. FOLLOW UP, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

I'D LIKE TO PUT A MOTION OR AN AMENDMENT TO THIS THAT WE DO DECLARE ALL VACANT LAND AS SURPLUS, AND I'M SURE THERE'S A RESOLUTION SOMEWHERE, I APOLOGIZE MS. BRAY, BUT I KNOW WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION IN THE PAST AND COUNCIL SAID YES, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTINUALLY DO THAT.

THE PLANNER MAY COME BACK AND TELL US THAT WE DO HAVE TO HAVE SPECIFIC ADDRESSES, BUT ESPECIALLY WITH THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WHERE WE HAVE VERY LITTLE LAND AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START LOOKING AT LAND THAT IS NO LONGER OR NOT CURRENTLY WITH ADDRESSES, IF THERE'S DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO WORK WITH STUFF AND PUT IN POTENTIALLY NON SERVICE PURCHASES.

I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT.

SO, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AMENDMENT THAT WE DECLARE ALL VACANT LAND AS SURPLUS.

OK, [INAUDIBLE] SECONDER FOR THE AMENDMENT? COUNCILLOR CYR.

FOR DISCUSSION. OK, THANK YOU.

I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THIS THOUGHT PROCESS, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHETHER THE PLANNERS REQUIRE ACTUAL ADDRESSES FOR THE PROPERTIES OR NOT. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

SO, I APPRECIATE THAT, MR. MAYOR, BUT IF THE PLANNERS SAY THAT THERE MUST BE A SPECIFIC ADDRESS TO BE ABLE TO LEGALLY DO THAT, THEN THEREFORE OUR HANDS ARE TIED AND WE MUST FOLLOW WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE.

I JUST DON'T WANT STAFF TO HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK.

THE PREDICAMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING AFTER TONIGHT OR AFTER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS.

STAFF'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO US AND SAY, WHAT CAN WE GET? WHAT DO WE HAVE? SO, I THINK THAT DIALOG HAS TO BE HELD WITH THE PLANNERS.

AND IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR OFFICIAL PLAN OR SO FORTH, WE'VE GOT TO START TO KNOW WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE TO BE ABLE TO START WITH ANY NEW SUBDIVISIONS OR ANY NEW PROPERTIES THAT WE'VE GOT TO SELL.

SO, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE DECLARING THEM SURPLUS SO THAT WE AT LEAST-- IF THERE'S INTEREST OUT THERE, PEOPLE CAN SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? YES, IT DOESN'T HAVE A LEGAL ADDRESS, BUT I'M INTERESTED IN BUYING IT.

MR. GAGNON. AND JUST, WITH RESPECT, I DON'T THINK THIS SHOULD BE DONE AS AN AMENDMENT TO AN EXISTING ISSUE ON THE FLY STAFF DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING.

OTHER THAN OBVIOUSLY THE-- I'M NOT SAYING IS PROCEDURALLY INACCURATE, IT'S PROCEDURALLY FINE, BUT THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL ITEM FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDING COMMITTEE.

LET US GET OUR HOMEWORK DONE.

WE'LL COME BACK AND IF WE CAN DO A BLANKET DECLARATION, THAT'S FINE.

I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT COUNCILLOR PATRIE AND I SUPPORT IT.

WE DON'T WANT IT-- OK, GIVEN YOU-- MY ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURAL CONCERNS HAVE BEEN NOTED, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO MAKE THE DECISION FROM HERE.

THANK YOU, MR. GAGNON.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOUR WORSHIP.

I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS AMENDMENT.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS IF WE'RE ABOUT TO DECLARE EVERYTHING SURPLUS AND THEN IN A YEAR FROM NOW WE DECIDE THAT THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS NO LONGER NECESSARILY SURPLUS.

DO WE HAVE TO THEN REVERT BACK? I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT'S HAPPENING IS A HAPHAZARD MANNER OF TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD.

PROPERTY HAS COME FORWARD TONIGHT TWO SPECIFIC PARCELS.

I THINK IT'S REASONABLE.

I JUST WANT TO FIND OUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF JUST SAYING THAT WE'LL JUST GOING TO PUT EVERYTHING AS SURPLUS AT THIS POINT.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED TO WHAT THAT OPENS, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S POTENTIAL THAT WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL LAND FOR IN THE FUTURE.

THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN AND HAVING TO GO BACK AND FORTH.

THANK YOU. MR.

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ANTUNES.

THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP. IF I COULD OFFER A SUGGESTION? IF THE DIRECTION IS SELL WHATEVER WE'VE GOT OPEN FUTURE RESOLUTIONS COULD BE TWOFOLD THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE DO FIND A PROPONENT THAT COUNCIL DEEM LOT X SURPLUS AND THAT A LETTER OF INTENT IS BROUGHT FORWARD, I MEAN, IT'S VERY EASY TO ADD IT AS A TWOFOLD THAT IF WE DO HAVE AN INTEREST IN A PIECE OF LAND THAT WE WANT TO DEEM SURPLUS, THEN IT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO SAY YES, WE CAN AND TO ACCEPT THE OFFER ON IT.

THAT'S JUST AN IDEA, BUT MR. GAGNON CAN CERTAINLY CORRECT ME IF PROCEDURALLY I'M JUST KIND OF SWINGING FOR THE FENCES.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE [INAUDIBLE] COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I THINK THE SUGGESTION FROM THE CAO IS A GOOD ONE, I THINK IT IS A POLITICAL DECISION, BUT I THINK WE COULD BEST HANDLE THIS BY TAKING IT TO THE STANDING COMMITTEE AND GET THE PROPER INFORMATION.

IN THE MEANTIME, THE ONES THAT WE'VE GOT HERE ON THE-- THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT, WE GO AHEAD ON THE NORMAL MATTER.

BUT WE CAN FIND OUT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THIS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A VIABLE WAY TO GO FORWARD.

I DON'T THINK I WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY WE'RE DOING THIS TONIGHT.

I THINK LET'S GO AHEAD WITH THE WAY MR. ANTUNES HAS BROUGHT IT FORWARD.

I THINK THAT'S A LOGICAL WAY TO GO RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL IF WE FEEL THAT THAT IS NECESSARY.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOUR WORSHIP.

I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO TIE STAFF'S HANDS AS THEY'RE TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD.

IT SEEMS THAT PROPERTIES ARE BEING SOUGHT AFTER QUITE ACTIVELY LATELY, SO WHATEVER MAKES IT EASIER. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY.

WE'VE JUST TOLD THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF THESE PARCELS OF LAND THAT ARE SURPLUS IF THEY'RE LOOKING. AND I THINK THAT AS WE COME FORWARD WITH OTHER PROPERTIES OF LAND THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR EITHER MULTI-RESIDENTS OR WHATEVER THAT WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO LET THE CITIZENS OF ELLIOT LAKE AND PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING AND INTERESTED IN DEVELOPING IN ELLIOT LAKE. AND I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD AROUND IT WAS AROUND OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. AND I DON'T REMEMBER A RESOLUTION, BUT I REMEMBER THAT AS BEING ONE OF THE TOPICS WE WERE GOING TO DISCUSS AND DURING THAT PERIOD.

BUT I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO STICK WITH THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TONIGHT AND HAVE STAFF WORK ON THIS AND BRING FORWARD EVEN A MORE COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF WHAT IS AVAILABLE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLACES TO BUILD IN ELLIOT LAKE IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, WHETHER IT'S SINGLE DWELLINGS OR MULTI-USE RESIDENTIAL.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. [INAUDIBLE] YOUR WORSHIP.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR MANN HERE THAT DECLARING EVERYTHING SURPLUS, WE MAY FIND OURSELVES IN A POSITION SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD WHERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR LAND FOR PUBLIC WORKS OR SOMETHING, AND WE'RE CHANGING IT.

OTHER THINGS COULD HAPPEN WITH THE LAND THAT WE HAVE.

BY IDENTIFYING IT, LIKE THE LAND-- LIKE THE PLANNERS HAVE ASKED US TO DO, AS COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SAID, WE'RE ANNOUNCING IT TO THE PUBLIC, MAKING IT CLEAR THAT THIS LAND IS AVAILABLE AND IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, GET TO IT.

SO, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST CONTINUE WITH IDENTIFYING THE LAND AND DEALING WITH IT AFTER WE'VE IDENTIFIED IT, THEN DECLARED SURPLUS.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU.

FIRST OFF, IT DOESN'T NEED TO HAVE A RESIDENTIAL ADDRESS.

ALL OF OUR PROPERTIES HAVE A DESCRIPTION AND A LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THAT PIECE OF LAND.

THE PREDICAMENT IS, WE HAVE STAFF TELLING US THAT THESE ARE THE LAST THREE PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE, AND WHEN YOU'RE SAYING THAT LIVE AT A COUNCIL MEETING, YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE ANY LAND LEFT FOR SALE.

SO, IF YOU PUT OUT THERE THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY DO HAVE A LOT OF LAND AND WE DO, WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MARKET THAT AND LET STAFF WORK ON THAT.

ALL YOU'RE DOING IS DECLARING IT'S SURPLUS.

THEY STILL HAVE TO COME WITH A LEGITIMATE OFFER, A LEGITIMATE LETTER OF INTENT, AND COUNCIL STILL GETS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE AND WHAT THEY WANT TO PURCHASE IT FOR.

I JUST WANT TO OPEN THE DOORS SO THAT IF THERE ARE MORE DEVELOPERS OR MORE INVESTORS THAT WANT TO COME TO OUR COMMUNITY, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS MUNICIPALITY AND THIS COUNCIL HAS AN OPEN DOOR POLICY, AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO SHUT ANYTHING DOWN.

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AND IF WE'RE JUST SAYING ALL WE HAVE AVAILABLE IS THESE THREE, THEN THAT'S THE PREVIEW OF THIS COUNCIL. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. GAGNON. WE DO HAVE MORE LANDS AVAILABLE IT'S JUST BEING ABLE TO LIST THEM AT THE MOMENT? THAT WAS MY IMPRESSION AS WELL.

I WAS GOING TO CLARIFY WITH MR. ANTUNES SAID. THIS ISN'T THE LAST THREE LOTS.

WE HAVE LOTS OF LAND.

SOME OF IT IS IN VARYING DEGREES OF SERVICING AND SITE READINESS.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS.

MR. ANTUNES.

YES. YOUR WORSHIP THOUGH YOU.

AND TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

AND THANK YOU, MR. GAGNON. YES.

[INAUDIBLE] CERTAINLY NOT THE LAST THREE OR THE LAST SET OF LOTS.

THESE ONES WERE ONES THAT IN INITIAL DISCOVERY THAT WE FOUND WERE IDEAL FOR MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WAS WHY WE WERE SPECIFYING THESE ONES AS SURPLUS LAND SO I CAN CHASE DOWN SOME OF THOSE OTHER MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPERS.

THERE CERTAINLY ARE OTHER LOTS THAT WE'RE EXPLORING.

THERE ARE SOME IN THE NEW SUB THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PLANNER ON IDENTIFYING PLAN WISE. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY DON'T ALL HAVE SET MUNICIPAL ADDRESSES.

I TYPICALLY GO BY PLAN NUMBER AND REGISTERED PLAN LOT LINES.

BUT TO CLARIFY THESE TWO SECTIONS IN THE MUNICIPALITY THAT WERE ONES THAT WERE IDEAL FOR MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE DEDICATING OR TRYING TO DEDICATE THEM AS-- DECLARE THEM, EXCUSE ME, AS SURPLUS LAND.

FOR THAT SPECIFIC REASON, THERE ARE OTHER ONES THAT STAFF ARE STILL WORKING ON, BUT WE'RE NOT READY TO BRING IT TO COUNCIL AND DIDN'T WANT TO HOLD UP THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEVELOPERS THAT ARE KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR TALKING ABOUT MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL SPECIFICALLY. OK, SO JUST IF I CAN MR. ANTUNES, I KNOW THAT ALL THE LOTS WE'VE SOLD TO DATE WERE INCLUDED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE THAT THE CITY HAS AS FAR AS THEIR SURPLUS LANDS, IT HAS INDUSTRIAL, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

SO, BY DOING THIS, ARE YOU ABLE TO UPDATE THOSE PACKAGES FOR POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS? AND CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE IN THE NEAR FUTURE COMING TO COUNCIL AREAS LIKE THE [INAUDIBLE] AT THE END OF LAWRENCE? WITH THAT WHERE THE SNOW DUMP IS NOW THAT WAS PREPPED FOR SERVICING POTENTIALLY THE SENATOR TRAILER PARK AREAS, THE EXTENSION OF [INAUDIBLE].

CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE SOME OF THOSE COMING IN TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGES THAT YOU'RE GIVING TO DEVELOPERS? THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP. WE'RE WORKING ON SOME OF THAT.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SENATOR TRAILER PARK, LONG STORY SHORT, THAT'S BEING PART OF A STUDY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW THAT WE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL A LITTLE WHILE AGO.

SO, WE ARE WORKING ON DIFFERENT GROUPS.

TYPICALLY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PACKAGE DID NOT INCLUDE AREAS FOR MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S A RELATIVELY NEW PHENOMENON FOR US HERE THAT DEVELOPERS ARE REACHING OUT AND WE'RE NEGOTIATING AND SAYING, WELL, HOW ABOUT THESE OPPORTUNITIES FOR MULTI-UNIT RENTS SO THAT NEVER REALLY EXISTED FROM WHAT I HAD SEEN IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL LAND PACKAGES.

SO, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INCLUDING NOW.

A PACKAGE WILL BE FORTHCOMING THAT WE WILL USE TO PRESENT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A MATTER OF INVENTORY AND WHAT WE HAVE, BOTH ON A RESIDENTIAL LEVEL.

SO FOR SINGLE UNIT, RESIDENTIAL, MULTI-UNIT, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

BUT AS IT STANDS NOW COMMERCIAL, FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S PRETTY MUCH GONE OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW. WE'RE ALSO ENCOURAGING A CONTACT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OFFICE TO WALK THROUGH IT WITH PROPONENTS, WHICH SERVES A BIT BETTER THAN JUST POSTING A CATALOG UP AND NOT HAVING THE DIALOG WITH INTERESTED PARTIES.

OK, THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE AMENDMENT? OK. SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.

STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE OPPOSED.

IS COUNCILLOR CYR STILL VOCAL? NOT, NO. OK, I'M OPPOSED.

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION THAT COUNCIL DECLARES 150-180 MISSISSAUGA AVENUE A SURPLUS LANDS AND COUNCIL DECLARES 75-85 DIEPPE AVENUE AS SURPLUS LAND, AND THAT COUNCIL DECLARES 25 WILLOUGHBY ROAD AS SURPLUS LAND FOR SALE IN MUNICIPALITY.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR ROLL CALL ONCE AGAIN, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

AND I'M IN FAVOR THAT IS CARRIED.

6.9, REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

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WATER AND WASTEWATER FINANCIAL PLAN 2020-2029 RECOMMENDATION THAT THE STAFF REPORT DATED JANUARY 12, 2022 OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS BE RECEIVED AND THAT THE 2020-2029 WATER AND WASTEWATER FINANCIAL PLAN BE APPROVED FOR ADOPTION BY COUNCIL.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

AND I'LL HAND THAT OVER TO YOU, MR. HALLOCH, GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. BACKGROUND FOR EVERYBODY AT HOME AND COUNCIL, IS THE SAFE DRINKING WATER ACT WAS PASSED IN 2002 AS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE FINDINGS OF THE WALKERTON INQUIRY IDENTIFIED BY JUSTICE O'CONNOR.

SO, MANDATORY LICENSING OF A WATER TREATMENT FACILITY IS ONE OF THE KEY REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE ACT. IN ORDER TO HAVE A LICENSE ISSUED FOR THE FACILITY, THE MUNICIPALITY MUST COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING FIVE REQUIREMENTS.

WE HAD TO CITY HAD TO OBTAIN A PERMIT TO TAKE WATER, OBTAIN A DRINKING WATER WORKS PERMIT, TO DEVELOP AN ACCEPTABLE OPERATIONAL PLAN UNDER OUR DRINKING WATER QUALITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, RECEIVE ACCREDITATION AS THE OPERATING AUTHORITY THROUGH A THIRD PARTY AUDITING PROCESS, AND THEN PREPARE AND SUBMIT A FINANCIAL REPORT, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. THE ORIGINAL FINANCIAL PLAN WAS SUBMITTED BY THE MUNICIPALITY BACK IN 2010 AND WAS TO ENCOMPASS NO LESS THAN A SIX YEAR PROJECTION.

THE ORIGINAL CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE DOCUMENT COVERED A 10 YEAR PERIOD FROM 2012-2022 AND WAS PREPARED BY KPMG ON BEHALF OF THE MUNICIPALITY.

INFRASTRUCTURE SOLUTIONS INC WAS COMMISSIONED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE TO COMPLETE A NEW PLAN FROM 2016-2021.

WHICH WE'RE COMING TO THE END OF, OF COURSE, AND TRIGGERED THIS WHOLE NEW REPORT TO BE WRITTEN, WHICH WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE FACILITY LICENSE RENEWAL AND BETTER ALIGN WITH THE TWO DOCUMENTS. SO BASICALLY, THE REPORT IS TAKEN NUMEROUS KEY AREAS OF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM INTO CONSIDERATION TO DEVELOP THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO OUTLINE.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF A SIX YEAR FINANCIAL PLAN FOR THE OPERATION OF THE FACILITY. THESE KEY CONSIDERATIONS WERE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT TO DETERMINE THE OVERALL FINANCIAL STATUS OF THE SYSTEM.

THESE FINDINGS WERE APPLIED TO THE PROJECTIONS FOR CAPITAL AS PRESENTED IN THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN, AFTER WHICH THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE.

IN THE EVENT THAT THE MUNICIPALITY PLANS TO FUND ALL FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REPLACEMENT OF ASSETS STRICTLY THROUGH RESERVE FUNDS.

THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, AND BASICALLY BY MAKING THAT STATEMENT IS WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO COUNT ON ANY FUNDING THAT COMES ALONG, EVEN THOUGH THAT WE KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES ALONG THE WAY AND WE WILL CHASE DOWN EVERY FUNDING OPPORTUNITY ALONG THE WAY.

SO BASICALLY, AN INCREASE OF THE WATER RATES BY SEVEN PERCENT PER ANNUM UNTIL 2029.

FURTHER INCREASES OF TWO PERCENT, SO JUST GOES TO A TWO PERCENT PER YEAR BEYOND 2031 SHOULD BE APPLIED.

THE WAY YOU LOOKED AT IT AND TO MAKE THIS BASIC FINANCIAL PLAN BREAKS IT DOWN INTO A PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE'RE LOOKING UNTIL 2029.

WE ALSO DO A RATE STUDY, A WATER/WASTEWATER RATE STUDY THAT BASICALLY PULLS THAT AND GOES ALL THE WAY TILL 2071.

AND WE START TO LOOK AT THINGS ALL THE WAY ALONG THE WHOLE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN TO SEE WHAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED AND LOOKING AT LEVELS OF SERVICE AND COST ANALYSIS AND EVERYTHING ALONG THE WAY.

ALL ADDITIONAL FUNDS GENERATED BY THE INCREASES WOULD BE APPLIED TO RESERVE ACCOUNTS IN ORDER TO PREPARE FOR UPCOMING INFRASTRUCTURE RENEWAL AND REPLACEMENT.

SO BASICALLY, IF THERE IS ANY FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES AND WE HAVE GONE THIS WAY, WE'LL BE LEAVING EVERYTHING INTO THE WATER/WASTEWATER RESERVE FOR FUTURE UPGRADES OR REPLACEMENTS . ALTERNATIVELY, A COMBINATION OF FUNDS GENERATED BY RATING INCREASES USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH ALTERNATE FUNDING, SUCH AS DEBT FINANCING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR REPLACEMENT OF TANGIBLE CAPITAL ASSETS ASSOCIATED WITH THE WATER WASTEWATER SYSTEMS. WE'VE LOOKED INTO SOME OF THE-- WHICH I KNOW THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT AND MS. SONNENBURG HAVE DISCUSSED BEFORE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO BE FINANCING OUR RESERVES ENOUGH TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

SO, THIS DIPS NOT JUST INTO, LIKE I SAID, THE WATER PLANT AND WASTEWATER PLANT.

THIS ALSO COVERS YOUR DISTRIBUTION, YOUR COLLECTION, ALL YOUR UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH IS LIKE EVERY OTHER MUNICIPALITY RIGHT NOW, AGING.

IT'S ALL AT A PRETTY GOOD AGE NOW.

SO. AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO DO THAT AND GOING-- MOVING ON TO OUR THIRD PROJECT OF THE HILLSIDE NORTH PROJECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COMING UP.

IN ADDITION TO RECOMMENDATIONS IDENTIFIED ABOVE, THE REPORT INTRODUCES THREE POTENTIAL

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CAUSES, ACTIONS, CONSIDERATION OF MUNICIPALITY.

BASICALLY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, AS YOU SEE UNDER THE FINANCIAL IMPACT CHART, THE CHARTS SHOWING SINCE 2020, WE'VE BEEN INCREASING BY SEVEN PERCENT GOING DOWN.

[INAUDIBLE] I HOPE I'M NOT FROZEN.

WE'RE LOOKING AT-- SO BASICALLY $5,276 BACK IN 2020 WAS THE ANNUAL INCREASE THAT YEAR, AND IT'S INCREASED-- NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 2022 ONE THAT'S JUST WAS APPROVED WAS $ 5,646, MAKING AN ANNUAL RATE OF $863 DOLLARS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN YOU LOOK INTO THESE REPORTS THE WATER AND WASTEWATER, WE TOOK A SNAP PHOTOS CHART OF AREAS AROUND AND I'D LIKE TO STOP AND TALK ABOUT IT WHILE I'M GOING THROUGH THE REPORT. BUT IN THE REPORT, WE'VE LOOKED AT OTHER AREAS THAT ARE SURROUNDING ELLIOT LAKE LIKE SAULT STE.

MARIE, NORTH BAY, TIMMINS, SUDBURY AND THUNDER BAY, AND ELLIOT LAKE [INAUDIBLE] ANNUAL FEE OF $806.

THE CLOSEST ONE NEXT TO US IS SAULT STE.

MARIE, $927.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THUNDER BAY AS HIGH AS $2,426 FURTHER WASTEWATER AND WATER SERVICES.

AND A LOT OF THEM ARE HIGHER LIKE THAT.

WE'VE CALLED AROUND TO SEE AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE AVERAGING IN A LOT OF THE AREAS AROUND AND ELLIOT LAKE HAS EVERYTHING THE SAME AS A LOT OF THESE OTHER ONES.

WE'RE NOT RUNNING OFF THE WELLS OR ANYTHING WE'RE RUNNING OFF OF-- WE'VE GOT AN UPGRADED WASTEWATER PLANT AND WATER SYSTEM, SO EVERYBODY'S GETTING THE SAME SERVICES IN ELLIOT LAKE. SO, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, WE ARE LOWER DOWN ON THE ACTUAL ANNUAL FEES TO DATE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE CHART GOES ALONG.

YOU CAN SEE WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING AT BY THE END IN 2029, AT SEVEN PERCENT.

THERE WOULD BE AN ANNUAL RATE OF $1,385.79.

THIS MOVES FORWARD WITH EVERYTHING AS WE KNOW, ALL PRICES GO UP AS WE GO TO REPLACE THINGS, AND WE'RE NOTICING THAT MORE NOW WITH THE COVID STUFF MORE THAN EVER WHEN WE GO TO REPLACE THINGS AND BEING IN THE AREA THAT WE'RE IN.

SO, A LOT OF THE CONTRACT THAT WE SAW THE PROJECTS AND WHAT THEY'VE COST US RECENTLY TO HAVE BASICALLY [INAUDIBLE] POPLAR, VALLEY HEMLOCK AND NOW MOVING ON TO HILLSIDE.

AND THEN WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT OTHER PROJECTS AROUND THERE.

BUT ANY TIME WE'RE GETTING INTO THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'RE LOOKING AT BIG BUCKS WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. SO BASICALLY, ADOPTION OF THIS REPORT WILL UPHOLD THE COMMITMENT OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TOWARDS THE FOLLOWING STRATEGIC PLAN: CONTINUE INVESTMENT IN INFRASTRUCTURE.

APPROVAL OF THE WATER AND WASTEWATER FINANCIAL PLAN IS RECOMMENDED AND NECESSARY IN THE RENEWAL OF THE CURRENT MUNICIPAL WATER SYSTEM OPERATING LICENSE.

IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE ACTS AND REGULATIONS, THE FOLLOWING STEPS MUST BE TAKEN WITH RESPECT TO THE FINANCIAL PLAN.

THE FINANCIAL PLAN MUST BE APPROVED BY RESOLUTION OF COUNCIL.

THE MUNICIPALITY MUST PROVIDE NOTICE THAT THE PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED AND PROVIDE COPIES OF THE FINANCIAL PLAN FREE OF CHARGE UPON REQUEST.

FINANCIAL PLAN MUST BE POSTED ON THE MUNICIPAL WEBSITE AND A COPY OF THE FINANCIAL PLAN MUST BE PROVIDED TO THE DIRECTOR OF POLICY BRANCH, MINISTRY OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND THE COUNCIL RESOLUTION APPROVING THE FINANCIAL PLAN MUST BE INCLUDED WITH THE APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE MUNICIPAL DRINKING WATER LICENSE.

THAT'S THE SUMMARY THERE.

I ALSO JUST WANTED TO SAY, YES, WE ASKED FOR EXTENSIONS ONTO THIS LICENSE RIGHT NOW CURRENTLY, WHICH WE WERE GRANTED AND WE'RE GRANTED THEM TILL MARCH.

BUT WE NEED THE RESOLUTION AND EVERYTHING TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO, ONCE THIS IS PASSED MOVING FORWARD, WE COULD SEND ALL OF OUR STUFF AWAY AND WE'RE UPGRADED AGAIN FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.

I BELIEVE IT'S WITH THE LICENSES.

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

OK, THANK YOU. MR. HALLOCH. AND I'LL START OUT BY SAYING I KNOW WHAT ELLIOT LAKE HAS A HIGHLY EFFICIENT, VERY WELL RUN WATER TREATMENT PLANT ALONG WITH.

WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

IT'S A VERY GOOD SYSTEM.

WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE SYSTEM HERE IN ELLIOT LAKE, AND IT'S THE CAPACITY IS ACTUALLY CAPABLE OF DOING DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTIES WE HAVE HERE IN ELLIOT LAKE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I'M GOING TO SAY IS PRIOR TO MOVING BACK TO ELLIOT LAKE, I HAVE OWN HOMES AND FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND I'VE NEVER PAID LESS THAN ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH FOR MY WATER BILL.

SO ELLIOT LAKE WAS THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST RATE THAT I'VE PAID FOR WATER.

WHEN I MOVED BACK IN 2012 AND STILL IS CURRENTLY THE LOWEST WATER RATE FOR, IF NOT COMPARABLE, BETTER WATER SYSTEM THAN I'VE HAD IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.

THAT BEING SAID, I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND THE EXPENSES CONTINUE TO GROW IN THE REPLACEMENT OF THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'VE--

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WE'RE DISCUSSING ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE ARE GROWING RIGHT NOW.

SO VERY IMPORTANT.

AGAIN, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX REPORT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE EVERY YEAR.

SO, I APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR WHOLE TEAM IN THIS EFFORT, AND I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FROM A FEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR CYR.

THANK YOUR WORSHIP, THOUGH YOU.

ALTHOUGH I AGREE ON THE SURFACE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A SMALL WATER BILL AS COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

I THINK IF WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ELLIOT LAKE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME, HOUSEHOLD INCOME, OUR WATER RATE EVEN PRESENTLY IS AMONG THE HIGHEST OF ALL THE LISTED MUNICIPALITIES IN THE REPORT. WHEN YOU COMPARE OUR AVERAGE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND THAT'S WITHOUT EVEN DOING THE INCREASES, IF YOU LOOK AT STATS, CAN REPORTS OF ALL THESE LISTED COMMUNITIES, YOU'LL FIND THAT EXACT SAME RATIO.

JUST DO THE MATH.

SO ALTHOUGH I'M-- I KNOW THAT WE DO NEED A LOT OF EXTRA SERVICES AND I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE SEVEN PERCENT, BUT I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF RAISING AN EXTRA TWO PERCENT.

WE ALREADY HAVE-- THIS COMMUNITY HAS ALREADY A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO STRUGGLE WITH CAPACITY OF PAY. WE HAVE AVERAGE INFLATION FOR FOOD PRICES INFLATION REALLY RUNNING AWAY.

AND LIFE IS BECOMING LESS AND LESS AFFORDABLE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, SO I THINK CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT, YES, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE PAYING FOR CHEAP WATER, BUT IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT ELLIOT LAKE AVERAGE INCOME.

WE'RE NOT REALLY THAT FAR OFF.

WE'RE FAIRLY HIGH, SO I'LL SUPPORT SEVEN, BUT I WON'T SUPPORT NINE.

AND JUST TO CLEAR THINGS UP, BASICALLY ALL IT WAS SAYING FROM THE SEVEN, IT WOULDN'T BE NINE, I COULD SEE WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE GOT THAT CONFUSION, BUT WHAT IT WOULD BE AFTER 2031, IT WOULD ACTUALLY DROP TO TWO PERCENT FROM SEVEN.

SO, IT'S JUST SHOWING SEVEN AT THE-- FOR THE FIRST-- UP TO 2029 ON THE CHART I'M SHOWING YOU, BUT ON THE LARGER PART OF ON THE RATE STUDY, I BELIEVE IT'S UP TO 2031 AND THEN AFTER THAT IT STARTS TO DECLINE IN PRICE.

SO THEY'RE JUST CATCHING UP WITH A LOT OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH NOW, BUT IT'S NOT A NINE PERCENT INCREASE.

[COUGH]. SEVEN, FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THEN IT DROPS TO TWO.

YEAH. CORRECT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOUR WORSHIP.

CLEARLY, WE NEED TO AT LEAST PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF DIRECTION THIS EVENING FOR THE ROAD MAP, FOR COMPLIANCE, AND I'M NOT PREPARED TO DELAY THAT COMPLIANCE PIECE ANY LONGER THAN IS NECESSARY. AS COUNCIL KNOWS, WE DISCUSS THIS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND BUDGET.

SO, IT'S REALLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE UPCOMING COUNCILS TO FINALLY MAKE THE DECISION.

THIS IS THE ROADMAP.

THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF.

BUT EVERY YEAR, COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE THOSE ULTIMATE DETERMINATION, WHICH WE DO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS.

WHETHER WE AGREE AND SUPPORT WHAT IS BEING RECOMMENDED TO US BY STAFF OR NOT, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AT THOSE TIMES.

SO AGAIN, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE HUGE CONCERNS.

IT DOES NEED TO GO OUT AT LEAST A MINIMUM, I BELIEVE FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS.

MR. HALLOCH? YEAH, SIX. SIX.

OK, SO ULTIMATELY, WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS.

I TOO, HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS WHAT HAPPENS AFTER 2029.

THERE APPEARS TO BE TWO YEARS 2030 AND 2031 WHERE THERE AREN'T ANY RECOMMENDED INCREASES.

AND I WOULD BE CONCERNED THAT THE TWO PERCENT WOULD BE TOO LOW MOVING FORWARD BASED ON WHAT WE'VE NEEDED. I CAN'T SEE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS DECREASING AFTER THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO AGAIN, BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR OUT, I THINK THERE'S TIME FOR STAFF TO COME BACK FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS AS WE GET CLOSER TO THOSE TIMES.

AND THEN AGAIN, WE STRETCH IT OUT.

BUT AGAIN, I JUST REMIND COUNCIL THAT EVERY YEAR THIS GETS DISCUSSED AND VOTED ON, WHICH IS WHY, AGAIN, IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION-- WAS THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION OF KPMG.

SO FOR TONIGHT, YES, IT IS-- NOT GOING TO USE THE WORD CHEAP.

I'M NOT GOING TO USE THE WORD-- BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT GIVES BAD CONNOTATIONS.

WE HAVE A QUALITY WATER SYSTEM.

IT DOES-- THERE ARE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REMEMBER THAT.

BUT AGAIN, AS I SAY, EVERY YEAR, THERE'S ONLY ONE TAXPAYER.

SO, IF WE'RE INCREASING HERE, WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE OTHER SIDE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE OTHER RATES AS WELL. SO, JUST MY COMMENT FOR TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. AND SORRY, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME OTHERS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK OFF YOUR COMMENTS AND IT IS TRUE.

WE HAVE NO IDEA THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THIS PROCESS AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE

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FINANCIAL [INAUDIBLE] ON THE SIX YEAR PERIOD.

UPDATING ON THAT WHICH WE RELOOK AT THE RATE STUDY AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THERE'S A CHANCE THAT FINGERS CROSSED THAT A LARGE SUM OF FUNDING COMES BACK INTO PLAY AND COVERS A LOT OF THE PROJECTS DURING THE SIX YEAR PERIOD, OR-- WE HAVE NO IDEA, NO CRYSTAL BALL AT THAT POINT. BUT I DO AGREE WE'LL BE LOOKING AT IT AGAIN AND GOING FROM THERE AND HAVING ANOTHER DECISION TO MAKE AROUND 2029.

BUT EVERY YEAR COUNCIL DOES HAVE-- CAN OBVIOUSLY DECLINE THAT SEVEN PERCENT BRING IT DOWN OR FORWARD. REGARDLESS OF PUTTING THIS-- APPROVING THIS TO GO THROUGH, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION. SO.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH. IT IS A VERY THOROUGH REPORT AND WE DO NEED TO HAVE THE REPORT.

I'M VERY PLEASED WITH THE REPORT, EXCEPT FOR THAT SECTION IN THE ANALYSIS.

I FIGHT IT EVERY YEAR AND COUNCIL JUST SAYS NOPE, GO WITH THE SEVEN PERCENT.

THE PREDICAMENT IS KPMG AND THIS REPORT SAY IF WE'RE GOING TO FINANCE THIS, WE NEED SEVEN PERCENT INCREASE EVERY YEAR.

WE DON'T FINANCE ANYTHING 100 PERCENT UNLESS WE DIRELY NEED TO.

SO, TO REPLACE OUR ASSETS STRICTLY ON THE BACK OF THE TAXPAYERS, I DON'T KNOW A COUNCIL THAT WOULD APPROVE IT TO-- UNLESS THERE WAS A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE.

AND WE HAVE AN AMAZING WATER AND WASTEWATER FACILITY.

FUNCTIONS WERE DESIGNED FOR DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WITHIN THIS MUNICIPALITY, SO I CAN'T APPROVE IT WITH THE FACT THAT I KNOW COUNCIL IS GOING TO TURN AROUND AND SAY THE REPORT SAYS THAT WE SHOULD DO A SEVEN PERCENT INCREASE.

SO WE'RE DOING A SEVEN PERCENT INCREASE AND NOBODY LOOKS AT THE FINE PRINT AND PAYS ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THAT SEVEN PERCENT IS STRICTLY GOING TO RESERVES.

SO IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE NEED FOR SEVEN YEARS TO INCREASE SEVEN PERCENT AND THEN WE DON'T NEED SEVEN PERCENT, AND THAT'S ONLY IF WE HAVE ZERO GROWTH, AND 100 PERCENT FINANCING BY THE MUNICIPALITY.

THOSE ARE TWO MAJOR KEY FACTORS THAT ARE GOING TO DRIVE THE COST OF THE WATER/WASTEWATER DEPARTMENTS. I JUST DON'T AGREE THE SEVEN PERCENT.

I WISH THIS REPORT WOULD HAVE COME OUT PRIOR TO COUNCIL SAYING IN DECEMBER THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO AGAIN WITH THE SEVEN PERCENT.

IT'S JUST AS COUNCILLOR MANN SAYS THERE'S ONLY ONE TAXPAYER, BUT WE CAN'T JUST KEEP ADDING THAT KIND OF MONEY AND PUTTING THAT MONEY INTO RESERVE WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THAT MONEY TO FUND AGAINST IT.

IT'S VERY IMPERATIVE THAT WE STAY AFFORDABLE, WE AS A COUNCIL HAVE APPROVED DOING FREE FOOD DELIVERY BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO EAT POTENTIALLY TEN DOLLARS DELIVERY CHARGE FOR THEM TO GET FOOD IS TAKING MEALS OFF THEIR TABLES.

BUT YET WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE THEM FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH EXTRA OR SIX OR SEVEN DOLLARS A MONTH EXTRA FOR WATER TO PUT MONEY INTO RESERVE.

I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH DOING THIS.

I JUST [INAUDIBLE] IF WE HAD TO DO EVERYTHING ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ON THE BACK OF THE TAXPAYERS, I UNDERSTAND.

BUT WE AS A COUNCIL AS A WHOLE KNOW WE ALWAYS APPLY FOR FUNDING WHAT WE CAN.

SO, THERE'S GOING TO BE AN AWFUL LOT OF THAT MONEY THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THROUGH THE PROVINCE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ASSIST US TO FUND THOSE ENDEAVORS.

SO, I'D LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL JUST TO GET IT ACROSS BECAUSE WE WENT A LOT MORE IN DEPTH IN THE-- MR. DOYLE AND MYSELF WITH INFRASTRUCTURE SOLUTIONS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT BOTH THE DISTRIBUTION AND THE COLLECTION SYSTEM ARE GOING TO REQUIRE IN THE FUTURE AND EQUIPMENT UPGRADES THAT WE'RE WELL AWARE OF.

A LOT OF THESE PERCENTAGES WERE PUT ACROSS THERE AND COME UP AT THE SEVEN PERCENT BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO COME UP AT POINTS ALL ALONG THE TIME.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S REALLY I AGREE WITH YOU ON GETTING THE FUNDING, BUT I'M ALSO-- I SEE HOW HARD IT IS TO GET THE FUNDING AS WELL.

AND AT SOME POINT, I THINK ONCE EVERYTHING COMES TOGETHER, THE FUNDING WILL PROBABLY BE PULLED BACK IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS AFTER THE FACT.

SO, I AGREE RUNNING THIS SYSTEM IS RUNNING IT THAT-- YOU'RE HOPING THAT YOU COULD RUN IT FROM YOUR RESERVES WITHOUT COUNTING ON ANY OF THAT FUNDING, WHICH WE MIGHT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IN THE FUTURE.

BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS IS COVERING ALL THOSE PROJECTS, SO THE ONLY OTHER THINGS I COULD THINK ABOUT IS EITHER SLOWING DOWN ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE DOING, WHICH I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN APPETITE FOR IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT ALL THESE PROJECTS ARE COSTING AROUND THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AND IF ANYTHING, WE'RE NOTICING EVERYTHING GOES UP.

AND AS FUEL GOES UP, THE CONTRACTOR PRICES GO UP AND ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

SO, I'VE BEEN PAYING A BIG TIME ATTENTION TO THE SEVEN PERCENT AND I'M A TAX PAYER IN

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TOWN TOO, AND I REALIZE THAT.

SO, WHEN WE DO THE RESEARCH ON THESE THINGS, I'M COMFORTABLE AT THE POINT THAT WE'RE SEEING THIS SO FAR.

BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE-- I'M ALSO-- UNDERSTAND WHERE COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS COMING FROM AS WELL.

SO. BUT THIS IS THE BEST AFTER GOING THROUGH AND WE WENT THROUGH IT BIG TIME WITH THEM THIS TIME. SO TO GO OVER ALL OF IT AND HOPEFULLY IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT, THEN WE COULD DROP THAT TO-- START TO DROP TO TWO PERCENT AND GO TO TWO PERCENT IN 2031.

I'M A LITTLE SKEPTICAL OF THAT, BUT I'M HOPING THAT'S THE CASE.

[COUGH]. MR. GAGNON ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

JUST A CLARIFICATION. MAYBE MS. SONNENBURG CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE FINANCIAL PLAN WAS THAT IT WAS BASED ON TRENDS OF THE CURRENT LEVELS OF GRANT FUNDING WE'RE USED TO GETTING.

SO, WHEN WE NEED-- WE SAY WE NEED THAT SEVEN PERCENT.

IT'S BASED ON THE TRENDS OF THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF GAS TAX, OTHER FUNDING THAT WE GET.

WE DON'T DO-- COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS RIGHT, WE DON'T DO 100 PERCENT MUNICIPAL BIG PROJECTS.

THEY'RE BASED ON THE TRENDS THAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN AND THAT'S WHAT THE MODEL IS BASED ON . WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, LINE ONE SAYS ASSETS STRICTLY THROUGH RESERVE FUNDS.

IT DOESN'T [INAUDIBLE] ANY FUNDING WHATSOEVER.

WE ONLY SPEND THE RESERVE FUNDS WHEN WE HAVE GRANTS TO MATCH.

EXACTLY. SO, WE NEED THE SEVEN PERCENT TO MAINTAIN THE LEVELS OF SPENDING WE'VE BEEN TRADITIONALLY DOING. MAYBE MS. SONNENBURG CLARIFY I'M NOT THE TREASURER, BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

MS. SONNENBURG. YES, THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

WE DO USE THE TAXES, THE GAS TAXES AND GRANT FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE. HOWEVER, THE SEVEN PERCENT IS ALSO NEEDED TO SUSTAIN EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE BASED ON KNOWN CONSTRAINTS ON THE SYSTEM.

SO, I DON'T WORK WATER/WASTEWATER AND DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT THERE IS METHODS THAT ARE USED TO DETAIL THAT A PIPE IS WORTH OR X NUMBER OF DOLLARS AND IS GOOD FOR X NUMBER OF YEARS. AND THOSE ARE THE PARAMETERS THAT ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WRITING THIS REPORT. SO WE DON'T RUN TO FAILURE, WE DO INTERIM MAINTENANCE.

SO THAT'S SORT OF THE PIECE THAT CAN'T BE QUANTIFIED IS ALL OF THE BAND-AIDS THAT GET PUT ON OVER THE COURSE OF THE INTERIM.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S THE PIECE THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.

THAT CAN'T BE QUANTIFIED BY SYSTEMS AND ANALYSIS.

THEY JUST TAKE IT AT FACE VALUE AND CONSIDER THAT YOU WON'T DO ANY MAINTENANCE OR GENERAL-- WE'RE JUST GOING TO DRIVE THAT TRUCK UNTIL IT'S DONE.

AND THAT'S HOW THESE REPORTS ARE WRITTEN.

AND THAT'S A CONSIDERATION WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT THE OUTLOOK IS FOR WATER AND WASTEWATER, THE EXPANSION PLANS, THE ADDITIONAL PRESSURES THAT ARE GOING TO BE PUT ONTO WATER/WASTEWATER SPECIFICALLY TO EXPANSIONS AND BETTER SERVICES FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE RESOURCES AND RESERVES, AND WE CAN PROVE THAT WITH EXPECTATIONS OF EXPANSION AND PROJECTS THAT WE WILL LIKELY NOT HAVE RESERVES THAT ARE ADEQUATE.

WE'VE DISCUSSED IT MANY TIMES AND THIS REPORT WAS INCLUDED AT THE TIME THAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD THE WATER/WASTEWATER BUDGET FOR CONSIDERATION, WHICH IS WHERE THE SEVEN PERCENT CONTINUES. MR. DOYLE AND I WORKED TIRELESSLY ON THAT AND THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN DECEMBER.

SO, THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE SEEING THIS.

THIS IS SIMPLY THE RUBBER STAMP THAT'S REQUIRED FOR MR. HALLOCH LICENSES, ETC.

SO, I HOPE THAT MIGHT CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT OF IT.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE MR. PATRIE IS COMING FROM AND THAT THE REPORT DOES READ THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO USE THE GRANTS, ETC.

THAT EXIST.

THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE, WE APPLY THEM AS NEEDED, BUT WE SHOULD NOT BE RELIANT ON THEM.

OK. THANK YOU, MS. SONNENBURG. I HAVE COUNCILLOR TURNER, FOLLOWED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO MR. HALLOCH, THIS REPORT, BY THE WAY, IS EXCELLENT, TOOK ME A COUPLE HOURS TO GET THROUGH IT, BUT THANK YOU.

SO, IN OUR WATER TAX, WE COVER WATER TREATMENT PLANT, WE TAKE CARE OF SEWERS, WE TAKE CARE OF WATER MAINS, THE BUILDINGS GO WITH IT, STAFF, ETC..

AND OUR CURRENT WATER TAX, NO TAX IS ALONE.

OK, LET'S GET THAT STRAIGHT.

UNDER CURRENT WATER TAX IS PRETTY DARN REASONABLE AND CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT EVERYBODY

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BENEFITS FROM IT BECAUSE THEY GET UP IN THE MORNING, THEY SHINE, SHOWER, FLUSH THE TOILET, GET A DRINK OF WATER, MAKE THE COFFEE, BOILING AN EGG.

THAT ALL COMES AS A RESULT OF THAT WATER TAX AND WE BENEFIT FROM IT EVERY HOUR OF THE DAY, PRACTICALLY. SO IT IS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO US.

I AM VERY PLEASED WITH THE REPORT.

THANK YOU. I DO TAKE SOME EXCEPTION TO THE CONCERNS VOICED ON THIS REPORT.

WE ARE NOT A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE IN DIRE STRAITS.

OK. SOME ARE, YES, AND THAT'S THE SAME FOR EVERY COMMUNITY.

BUT WHAT'S NEGLECTED AND NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN STATS [INAUDIBLE] FIGURES WHEN IT COMES TO AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD INCOME.

ARE THE SAVINGS THAT ARE IN THE BANK OF SO MANY OF OUR PEOPLE WHO MOVE HERE FROM PLACES LIKE MISSISSAUGA, WHERE THEY'VE SOLD THE HOUSE FOR $850,000 AND THERE'S NO MORTGAGE ON IT. BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE FOR SUBSTANTIALLY LESS, BANK THE REST, AND ARE LIVING ON A PENSION. IT'S ONLY THE PENSION THAT'S COUNTED FOR HOUSEHOLD INCOME.

THAT'S HOW STATS CANADA WORKS AND WE ARE A COMMUNITY FULL OF RETIREES JUST AS I DESCRIBED. SO LET'S KEEP THAT IN MIND BEFORE WE START WAVING A FLAG IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. THE BIT ABOUT THE PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD GROCERIES, WE DON'T HAVE GROCERY DELIVERY BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD GROCERIES, RIGHT? THE GROCERY DELIVERY FOR PEOPLE WHO BECAUSE OF COVID ARE STUCK IN THEIR HOUSE OR IMMUNOCOMPROMISED. THEY'RE LAME.

WHATEVER THE REASON IS, THAT'S WHAT WE BACKED UP TO AGE FRIENDLY PROGRAM FOR [INAUDIBLE].

SO, MY ONE QUESTION, I GUESS, FOR MR. HALLOCH IS AS I SEE THE RATES GO UP OVER TIME, OVER THE NINE YEARS PROPOSED, OVER SIX YEARS PROPOSED, IS THERE A TIME, MR. HALLOCH, WHEN IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO START INSTALLING WATER METERS? THE ONE-- THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION, BUT THE ONE THING I THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS IGNORED IN THE PAST WAS THE FACT OF THE CAPITAL COST TO IT.

AND IF THERE-- I BELIEVE THERE WAS A PROGRAM BACK IN THE DAY BEFORE I SAT MY SEAT FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT HELPED OUT WITH THE COMMERCIAL ONES THAT WENT TO THE BUSINESSES AND THE INSTITUTIONS TO BE-- AND THERE'S A LOT LESS OF THEM.

WHEN WE START TALKING HOMES, I KNOW IT'D BE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY GET INTO THAT, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ALWAYS LOOK INTO.

NORMALLY, WE WOULD HOPE THAT A PROGRAM OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME AROUND, THAT WOULD HELP FUND THAT CAPITAL PROJECT BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU THAT WOULD BE QUITE EXPENSIVE.

YEAH. AND THE OTHER BIG REASON FOR THAT IS OVER, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, AS WELL AS ANYBODY THAT LIVED DOWN SOUTH AND HAS BEEN METERED.

IS, YEAH, YOU REALLY WALKED YOUR WATER WHEN YOU'RE DOWN SOUTH AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND HOW PEOPLE WATER IT, YOU'RE NOT WATERING YOUR GRASS IN THE RAIN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO RUNNING TOILETS AND THE REST OF THE STUFF BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY SEEN IT ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, HOW MUCH THAT COULD AFFECT A WATER BILL.

SO, IN THE FUTURE, IF THAT [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S STUFF, WE CAN ASK.

BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY A PROGRAM THAT GOT IT ALL ON TO ALL OF OUR BUSINESSES.

SO. OK, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT IN THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE THEN.

NO, IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S LIKE CHANGING THINGS BIG TIME ON THIS PART.

LIKE I SAID, WE AS SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER, I BELIEVE IT WAS MAYOR MARCHISELLA, THE CITY WAS BASICALLY MADE AND THE WATER SYSTEMS, WE HAVE TO HAVE A POPULATION UP TO 30,000.

SO IF ANYTHING, WITH THE POPULATION WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE TOWERS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, WE HAVE WATER SITTING AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER.

SO THAT'S THE OTHER THING.

SO WE'VE GOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE FOR A POPULATION INCREASE.

SO. WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE POPULATION INCREASE, BUT WE HAVE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. CORRECT.

IS EXPRESSED IN WATER MAIN BREAKS LIKE WE SEE ALL WINTER.

YEAH, WATER MAIN BREAKS.

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AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALSO MOVING FORWARD AND TOWARDS IS WORKING WITH OUR DISTRIBUTION STAFF AND STARTING TO PROPERLY [INAUDIBLE] ALL OF OUR LATERALS WHEN IT COMES TO SEWER PLUS WATER.

AND THEN THAT'LL HELP US PRIORITIZE JOBS AS WELL UNDERGROUND [INAUDIBLE], BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE COULD PRIORITIZE JOBS WHEN IT COMES TO, YES, WE KNOW THIS AREA HAS MORE BREAKS THAN OTHERS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO START CAMERAING THEM AND HAVING REPORTS WITH CAMERAS AHEAD OF TIME. SO WE'LL KNOW.

HERE'S A GOOD STREET THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO TACKLE.

WE COULD TELL RIGHT NOW A BIT THAT WAY, BUT THIS WILL REALLY HELP US.

SO, THESE ARE OTHER THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO FOR PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE PURPOSES AS WELL.

SO. BUT YEAH, WE KNOW AND THEN WE KNOW A LOT OF OTHER EXPENSIVE THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP ALONG THE THING, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALL LISTED IN THE RATE STUDY, THE LARGER REPORT THERE. SO YEAH, IT'S A VERY GOOD THING.

AND THEN THAT'S AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE FOR EVERY FACILITY AND EVERY DEPARTMENT COMING UP, WHICH IT'S GOING TO BE DETERMINED LIKE THAT. SO. EXCELLENT.

THANK YOU. YEAH.

JUST TO ANSWER PART OF YOUR QUESTION TO COUNCILLOR TURNER.

MR. MAGEE, A FEW YEARS BACK, WAS ASKED THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT METERING AND CAME BACK WITH SOME NUMBERS WITHOUT ANY PROGRAMING OR ASSISTANCE FROM THE FEDERAL OR PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT WAS APPROXIMATELY EIGHTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS PER HOME, AND HE ASKED ME THE QUESTION 'WOULD YOU CHARGE EACH INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT EIGHTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS TO INSTALL THESE, OR WOULD THE MUNICIPALITY PAY FOR IT WITH A SUBSTANTIAL TAX INCREASE?' SO, IT'S EIGHTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS PER HOME IS A BIG NUMBER WITHOUT THAT ASSISTANCE FROM ANY PROGRAMING FROM HIGHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S KIND OF BACKED OFF THAT IDEA.

MAY SAVE A FEW BUT COST EVERYONE ELSE A WHOLE LOT MORE.

SO, THAT WOULD BE LIKE EIGHTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS TIMES WHAT DO WE HAVE 6800 TAXPAYERS? IT'S SIX THOUSAND HOMES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT'S A FAIR CHUNK OF CHANGE.

YEAH. YEAH, ALMOST MAKES YOU VOMIT IN YOUR MOUTH A LITTLE BIT.

[LAUGHTER] COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT.

YOUR WORSHIP.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A SAFE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IN ANY COMMUNITY AND SHOULD BE A SAFE DRINKING WATER AND SAFE DISPOSAL OF OUR WASTEWATER.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE ONE OF THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT DOESN'T HAVE THAT, AND I THINK THIS IS THE PRICE WE HAVE TO PAY AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

YOU LOOK AHEAD INTO 2029 AND YOU SEE IT ALMOST DOUBLED AND IT JUST BREAKS MY HEART TO SEE THAT NUMBER. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.

RECENTLY, MY NEPHEW TOOK CARE OF HIS UNCLE'S RENTAL PROPERTY BECAUSE HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL AND THE TENANT LEFT AND LEFT THE TOILET RUNNING, AND THAT WAS A $1200 ADDITIONAL BILL IN ONE MONTH ON HIS WATER BILL.

SO, YOU KNOW, METERING WATER IS NOT MAYBE THE ANSWER FOR EVERYBODY.

I THINK THAT WE JUST HAVE TO GO AHEAD, AND AS COUNCILLOR MANN SAID, EACH COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY EVERY YEAR DURING BUDGET TO CHANGE THAT NUMBER, TO ADD TO IT IF WE NEED TO.

WE'VE HEARD THE REPORT OVER AND OVER FROM MS. SONNENBURG ABOUT HOW OUR RESERVES ARE LACKING.

SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW MR. HALLOCH COULD DO ANYTHING ELSE BUT TO PRESENT A REPORT TO US THAT IS VALID AND IS ACCURATE AND IN SOME WAY PREDICTABLE AS TO GOING AHEAD.

I'M TELLING YOU, BEING ON COUNCIL HAS WRECKED MY LIFE FOREVER.

I SEE THE WEATHER REPORT.

I THINK ABOUT SNOW.

I THINK, OH MY GOD, HOW MUCH OVERTIME IS THAT GOING TO COST? I DRIVE DOWN. I SEE THE CITY TRUCKS PARKED ON THE STREET.

I THINK, OH CRAP, THERE GOES ANOTHER WATER MAIN.

LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL EVER THINK OF THINGS DIFFERENTLY DRIVING AROUND THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, BUT EVERY TIME I SEE A VEHICLE, I THINK, OH NO, IT'S NEVER SOMETHING GOOD IN THE WINTER THAT'S GOING ON THE STREETS.

SO, I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT THIS REPORT AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOUR STAFF IS DOING AS WELL.

MR. HALLOCH. PLEASE LET THEM KNOW THAT.

I WILL AND I APPRECIATE WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS WELL.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ON THIS REPORT? I SAID, I THINK COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SUMMED IT UP WELL, SEEING HOW THIS POSITION CAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE IN NOTICING ALL THESE ASPECTS AS YOU DRIVE AROUND.

AND EVERY TIME I'M IN SUDBURY OR SAULT STE.

MARIE DURING A SNOWSTORM, I JUST LAUGH AND I CAN'T WAIT TO GET BACK TO ELLIOT LAKE BECAUSE I KNOW OUR CREWS ARE DOING A BETTER JOB.

SO GOOD ON THEM.

I NEVER WANT TO HEAR THE WORDS RUN TO FAIL AGAIN, BUT THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING OF THE PAST. WE HAVE GOOD PLANNING IN FRONT OF US AND LET'S CARRY ON WITH IT.

WITH THAT, I'LL CALL FOR ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

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COUNCILLOR TURNER. MY APOLOGIES, BUT IT WAS IN FAVOR.

I'M IN FAVOR, THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. 6.10, REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC RE: WORKS WASTE MANAGEMENT UPDATE, AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH LABOR RELATIONS, INFORMATION SUPPLIED AND CONFIDENCE TO THE MUNICIPALITY OR LOCAL BOARD, WHICH IF DISCLOSE COULD REASONABLY BE EXPECTED TO PREJUDICE SIGNIFICANTLY THE COMPETITIVE POSITION OR INTERFERE SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THE CONTRACTUAL OR OTHER NEGOTIATIONS OF A PERSON, GROUP OF PERSONS, ORGANIZATION, IT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 239(2)(I) OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT, AND I WOULD ASK IF THIS BE FORWARDED TO CLOSED.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN, THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I DISAGREE THAT THIS SHOULD BE PUT INTO CLOSED SESSION.

THERE ARE NO IDENTIFIABLE OF OUR STAFF ON THIS AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH SERVICE LEVELS OF OUR WASTE MANAGEMENT.

I THINK THAT THIS SHOULD BE DEALT WITH IN THE PUBLIC.

I DO BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE CONTRACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS ISSUE THAT MAY COMPROMISE MUNICIPALITY'S POSITION, AND I SEE MR. HALLOCH NODDING HIS HEAD, SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY CONCERN.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? CALL FOR ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR CYR.

FAVOR COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

OPPOSED. I AM IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED TO CLOSE.

THANK YOU.

6.11, MEMO FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT UPDATE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE SALE OF THE FORMER MANOR WORK SITE AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH A PROPOSED OR PENDING DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY BY MUNICIPALITY, IT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239(2)(C) OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.

AGAIN, A MOVER TO PUT THIS IN CLOSED SESSION, PLEASE.

BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SECOND BOARD COUNCILLOR CYR.

AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS? QUALMS? QUERIES? SEEING, NONE.

AGAIN, ROLL CALL, START WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

IN FAVOR. AND COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED TO CLOSED.

STILL [INAUDIBLE].

SEVEN, PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS.

[7. PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS]

NONE. EIGHT, OUTSIDE BOARD AND COMMITTEE REPORTING.

[8. OUTSIDE BOARD AND COMMITTEE REPORTING]

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY THIS EVENING.

NO. NINE, UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

[9. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]

9.1, COMMUNITY REC HUB STANDING ITEM.

I'LL GIVE OUR QUICK LITTLE UPDATE, AND I KNOW MR. GAGNON OR MR. ANTUNES HAVE A BIT MORE.

WE DID HAVE THE PRIVILEGE-- WE'RE ACTUALLY IN TORONTO AT THE ROMA CONFERENCE RIGHT NOW.

I BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

I HAVE TO BE VERY, VERY THANKFUL MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE THE HONORABLE MRS. SURMA GAVE US DELEGATION TIME THIS AFTERNOON JUST PRIOR TO COUNCIL, ACTUALLY.

ITS FIRST TIME ACTUALLY HAVING A FACE TO FACE WITH THE ACTUAL MINISTER IN A FEW YEARS.

WE'VE HAD TO WORK WITH PA AND DEPUTIES AND SO ON OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

SO VERY THANKFUL TO MRS. SURMA FOR TAKING THE TIME.

SOME POSITIVE COMMENTS FROM HER DESPITE MY-- HMM.

NOT THE BEST SALES PITCH I'VE EVER HAD, WE'LL SAY THAT SHE DEFINITELY NOTED THE FRUSTRATION AND ANGST THAT WE'RE FEELING IN THE COMMUNITY AS FAR AS FUNDING ALLOTMENTS AND THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD FUNDING DANGLED IN FRONT OF OUR NOSES ESSENTIALLY GIVEN TO US AND PULLED BACK MORE THAN ONCE.

SO AGAIN, POSITIVE COMMENTS COMING OUT OF HER, AND I'M THANKFUL THAT THEY TOOK TIME FOR US AND ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL FUTURE FUNDING ALLOTMENTS AND HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK.

MIND YOU, IT IS ALSO AN ELECTION YEAR.

SHE DID MENTION, YOU KNOW, I HAD A LITTLE BRAGGING MOMENT ABOUT THE WIN GOVERNMENT AND MANY REPS COMING TO ELLIOT LAKE MORE THAN ONCE AND TAKING A TOUR, AND SHE SEEMED QUITE EXCITED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL VISITING IN THE FUTURE.

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SO, I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT POTENTIAL.

MR. GAGNON, I KNOW YOU HAD SOME MORE UPDATES AND LOOKING FOR THAT SPECIAL MEETING VERY SOON. WE ARE STILL LOOKING.

WE'LL BE HAVING MORE INFORMATION FROM OUR ARCHITECTS THIS FRIDAY.

AND THE PROGNOSIS WAS STILL EARLY FEBRUARY FOR A MEETING WHERE WE CAN DO A REVIEW OF THE VERY GOOD DETAILED APPLES TO ORANGES-- APPLES TO APPLES, COMPARISON OF BUILDING STRUCTURES FOR WHETHER IT BE A PREFAB, PRE-ENGINEERED TENT STYLE OR RIGID WALLS.

WE [INAUDIBLE] HOPING TO DO THAT IN EARLY FEBRUARY.

AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR GRANTS WHEREVER WE CAN, BUT WE HAVE VERY LIMITED IMMEDIATE OPTIONS FOR FUNDING FOR A LARGE REC CENTER.

BUT THAT WILL BE REVIEWED IN CONTEXT WITH THE OTHER ITEMS THAT COUNCIL WANT TO SEE IN THAT FUNDAMENTAL MEETING IN EARLY [INAUDIBLE] WHERE WE CAN DECIDE WHAT COMPONENTS AND WHAT THEIR NEXT STEPS ARE FOR THE HUB.

AND WE STILL REMAIN CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THE POOL IS IN SLIGHTLY BETTER SHAPE AND WE CAN EKE OUT A LITTLE MORE TIME ON THE POOL THAN WE CAN ON THE ARENA.

WE'RE STILL DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE POOL AND THAT WILL BE FED INTO THAT MEETING AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OR A BETTER CONCEPT OF OUR EXISTING FACILITIES AND THE TYPES OF NEW FACILITIES THAT COULD BE LOCATED AT 151 ONTARIO OR WHEREVER.

AND ALL THAT FUNDAMENTAL MEETING COULD BE HAPPENING, HOPEFULLY IN EARLY FEBRUARY.

AND WE'LL KNOW MORE AFTER THIS FRIDAY WHEN WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INTEL FROM OUR ENGINEERS. THANK YOU.

UPDATE ON ARTS AND CULTURE HUB.

ANY WORD BACK ABOUT THE-- I WONDER IF WE SHOULD MAYBE AT THE NEXT MEETING, JUST REFRESH OUR OWN MEMORIES AS TO WHAT WE'VE APPLIED FOR RENT FOR THE NET ZERO FUNDING FOR THE $20 MILLION ARTS CULTURE CENTER.

BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE'RE ASKING A LOT OF OUR 3.5-$4 MILLION IN RESERVE FROM OUR INSURANCE RECOVERIES.

WE SHOULD JUST MAYBE WRAP OUR MINDS AROUND WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE WHEN, WHEN AND IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS YOU'RE APPROVED, WE CAN START TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

OR WHAT IF WE'RE TURNED DOWN AND TO THINK OF A PLAN B.

SUCH AS IT IS SO THAT WE CAN JUST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PREPARED.

PERHAPS AT THE NEXT STANDING ITEM, NEXT COUNCIL MEETING SHOULDN'T BE VERY HARD.

JUST TO DUST OFF THE APPLICATION AND REFRESH OUR MEMORIES AS WHERE WE STAND ON THAT ARTS HUB. OK, THANK YOU.

9.3, IS A RESIDENTIAL WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS STANDING ITEM, AND I KNOW TOMORROW WE DO HAVE A MEETING WITH THE MRF/MMDM.

SO, BE A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION AROUND THIS ITEM AND WHERE OUR FUTURE STANDS AS FAR AS THE NEEDS FOR COMMISSION AND AN ACT AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO, ANY OTHER PIECES ON THAT MR. GAGNON? NOT REALLY, NO.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW AND WE MAY HAVE MORE INFORMATION AT OUR NEXT MEETING.

OK, THANK YOU. 9.4, COVID 19 UPDATE STANDING ITEM.

DID MR. FORD DECLARE THE PANDEMIC OVER YET? [INAUDIBLE] ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM COULD THE BALANCE OF COUNCIL, GET BROUGHT UP TO THOSE MEETINGS AND CAN WE HAVE INVITES AS WELL? NORMALLY WHEN WE DO THOSE DELEGATIONS, THERE'S MORE THAN JUST THAT.

WE USUALLY GET READING MATERIAL AND PRESENTATION MATERIAL AS WELL AS GET TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS WITH THOSE DELEGATIONS.

IS IT POSSIBLE THE COUNCIL CAN ATTEND THESE DELEGATIONS? WELL, THE WAY THE VIRTUAL CLINIC-- THE VIRTUAL CONFERENCE WAS COUNCILLOR TURNER, WE MISSED ONE, BUT IT WASN'T RELATED TO THE STANDING ITEM.

IT WAS THE MINISTER OF SENIORS AND ACCESSIBILITY.

SO, IF YOU'RE REGISTERED FOR THE CONFERENCE, YOU GET THE ZOOM LINK.

OTHERWISE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T PROVIDE A ZOOM LINK IF YOU'RE NOT REGISTERED FOR THE CONFERENCE.

SO, THEN THERE'S THE FEE FOR THE CONFERENCE.

SO WE COULD HAVE ANOTHER COUNCILLOR IN THE ROOM OVERHEARING.

THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE.

OTHERWISE, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET THE LINK IF YOU DON'T REGISTER FOR THE CONFERENCE, [INAUDIBLE] PAST WHERE IT WAS TWO OR THREE COUNCILLOR IN A HOTEL IN TORONTO.

AND THEN THOSE TWO OR THREE WERE ABLE TO GO.

SO, WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOME OTHER WAY TO HAVE THOSE COUNCILLORS OBSERVING IF THEY WANT OFF CAMERA SORT OF THING, BUT IT'S A LITTLE HARD WHEN YOU DON'T WANT TO INCUR THE EXPENSE.

I DIDN'T REGISTER FOR THE CONFERENCE THIS YEAR.

I JUST SORT OF PIGGYBACK WITH THE MAYOR'S ZOOM AND COZIED UP NEXT TO HIM ON ZOOM.

SO, WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THE MATERIAL IT'S FAIRLY BENIGN AND ABSOLUTELY [INAUDIBLE] WITH THE REST--

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THE INFORMATION. BUT AGAIN, THEY RUN IT THROUGH A SECURE SITE AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS WITH THE REGISTRATION IN ORDER TO GET A PASSWORD TO GET IN.

THEY EXPECT YOU EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCILLOR TO PAY A FEE IN ORDER TO GET THE LINKS.

SO, IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME AS WHEN WE GOT TO GO TO THE CONFERENCES AND ALL MEET UP AND TAG TEAM THE MINISTRIES AND HUNT THEM DOWN IN THE LOUNGES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

WHICH IS KIND OF A BUMMER BECAUSE THAT WAS A GREAT WAY, I THINK WE ALL WORK GREAT AS A TEAM WHEN WE GET TO BE AT THE IN-PERSON CONFERENCES.

THIS IS VERY IMPERSONAL AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PASSWORD PER PERSON.

THERE IS THE ONTARIO GOOD ROADS CONFERENCE WAS PUSHED TO APRIL AND ALLEGEDLY IN-PERSON.

WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DELEGATIONS THAT ARE JUST LIKE ROMA, AND THAT DELEGATION DEADLINE IS MARCH 11TH.

WE HAVE SOME TIME TO THINK IF WE EVEN WANT TO ATTEND OR IF WE WANT TO HAVE DELEGATIONS AGAIN WITH THE SAME INDUSTRIES.

THOSE TWO CONFERENCES HAD A DIVORCE [INAUDIBLE] AGO AND THEY REMAIN SEPARATE, BUT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY IF WE CHOOSE [INAUDIBLE] MARCH TO TRY TO GET MORE DELEGATIONS IN PERSON. BUT THAT'S [INAUDIBLE] WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

OK. YOU DON'T MIND SUPPLYING THAT BRIEFING NOTES TO ALL.

NO, NOT AT ALL. IT WAS JUST LOT 11TH HOUR [INAUDIBLE] SURPRISES.

CERTAINLY FORWARD. OK.

OK, BACK TO 9.4, COVID 19 UPDATE STANDING ITEM AGAIN.

PREMIER FORD HAS NOT DECLARED THE PANDEMIC OVER, UNFORTUNATELY.

ANY OTHER UPDATES FROM FROM LAST WEEK.

MR. GAGNON? WELL, HE MAY NOT HAVE DECLARED A PANDEMIC OVER, BUT HE DID DECLARE THAT THE SORT OF CURRENT LOCKDOWN, IF NOT THE EXACT WORDING, BUT WILL BE LIFTED ON JANUARY 31ST.

SO, UNLESS I'M DIRECTED OTHERWISE COME FEBRUARY 1ST, WE'RE REOPENING THE ARENA.

WE'RE RENTING ICE TO THE RED WINGS OR MINOR HOCKEY, POOL WILL RESUME SORT OF A SCHEDULED BOOK A LANE KIND OF SCENARIO.

SO, WE'LL BE RESUMING PROGRAMING INDOOR REC FACILITIES BASED ON WHAT THE FORD GOVERNMENT ALLOWS AS OF FEBRUARY 1ST, UNLESS DIRECTED OTHERWISE.

SO, I [INAUDIBLE].

OKAY, QUESTIONS HERE, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. JUST DUE TO MR. GAGNON, I'M SURE IF THAT ANNOUNCEMENT CHANGES THAT YOU'LL ACT ACCORDINGLY AND YOU DON'T NEED TO CONSULT WITH US TO EITHER SLOW DOWN OR WHATEVER.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE NO ONE'S IN THE FACILITIES UNTIL THAT DATE AND THE CONCERNS ARE BROUGHT FORWARD WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION TWO WEEKS AGO, OR WHENEVER THAT WAS, THAT STAFF BE READY TO OPEN THE FACILITIES AND OPEN UP THE PROGRAMING AS SOON AS WE CAN AFTER THE PROVINCE SAYS THAT WE CAN INSTEAD OF TAKING A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO GET THINGS ROLLING.

I THINK THAT, THAT WAS THE FRUSTRATION WITH SOME OF THE USER GROUPS AT THE POOL.

I BELIEVE THAT IT TOOK A COUPLE OF WEEKS-- AND I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE LAID OFF AND YOU HAVE TO BRING EVERYONE BACK.

SO, YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THAT DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS-- I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF CAN BE IN THE FACILITIES.

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE RULES MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DUSTIN CAN BE GETTING HIS STAFF READY TO ROLL. BUT WHEN THE GOVERNMENT SAYS IT'S OPEN, IT'S OPEN.

OK. COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. JUST A QUESTION, I GUESS, ON PROCESS, WE CLOSE THE FACILITIES BY RESOLUTION. I REALIZE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROVINCIAL REOPENING.

SHOULD WE JUST HAVE A RESOLUTION TO RATIFY THAT REOPENING BASED ON THE PROVINCE'S REOPENING GUIDELINES WITH LIMITS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE PROVINCE? I'D BE HAPPY TO MOVE THAT TONIGHT JUST TO GET IT GOING SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT WE'RE REOPENING BASED ON THE PROVINCE'S REOPENING GUIDELINES.

FIVE HUNDRED CAPACITY IN THE ARENA OR 50 PERCENT CAPACITY WITH AN UPSET LIMIT OF FIVE HUNDRED, WHATEVER THAT JARGON WAS.

I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT BECAUSE WE DID CLOSE EVERYTHING BY RESOLUTION SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

[INAUDIBLE] WILL CARRY ON.

I HAVE HANDS UP AGAIN FROM COUNCILLOR TURNER AND COUNCILLOR PATRIE AND COUNCILLOR PEARCE AND COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. JUST ON THE WHOLE COVID ISSUE, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE END OF THE MONTH. I THINK OUR RESTAURANTS AND LIKE BUSINESSES HAVE JUST SUFFERED ENOUGH AND IT'S TIME TO GET THIS OVER WITH.

LOSING PATIENCE WITH THE DENIERS AND THE LIKE, WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO GET OUR BUSINESSES BACK ON A GOOD FOOTING.

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HEALTHY. THANKS.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU.

I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD TO WHAT COUNCILLOR FINAMORE WAS SAYING IS THAT I WOULD LIKE STAFF NEXT WEEK OR THIS WEEK TO BE WORKING SO THAT ON THE 31ST WHEN THE PROVINCE HAS ALLOWED US TO OPEN, THESE FACILITIES ARE OPEN.

I GET IT, EVEN IF WE'RE NOT READY TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, ALLOW OUR COMPETITION PEOPLE TO START TRAINING AT THE POOL, OUR TEAMS PRACTICING AT THE ARENA.

SO, AS SOON AS THAT CAPACITY IS THERE AND PEOPLE CAN GET IN, MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE READY TO OPEN IT AND NOT WAIT THE WEEK OR TWO THAT IT TAKES TO GET EVERYTHING UP AND RUNNING.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE IS THE FOOD DELIVERY SERVICE, AGE FRIENDLY IS BEING DONE BY SOME OF THESE STAFF THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO OPERATE THESE FACILITIES.

DOES SOMEBODY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO EITHER GET READY TO START TO SHUT THAT DOWN OR TO START TO FIND MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT? THIS IS NOT JUST A HAPHAZARD LITTLE THING THAT YOU CAN DO.

IT TAKES AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK FROM ALL OF OUR STAFF.

MR. GAGNON? ON THE FIRST PART, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY RAMP-- BASED ON THE CLEAR DIRECTION WE'RE GETTING TONIGHT, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO RAMP UP SO THAT WE CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING ON FEBRUARY 1ST, JANUARY 31ST.

IT'LL TAKE THE TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE, HOWEVER, WELL WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN, BUT WE CAN'T GUARANTEE IT'S GOING TO BE EXACTLY AS IT WAS DECEMBER 1ST ON FEBRUARY 1ST.

BUT WE'LL DO WHAT WE CAN WITH THE LAID OFF STAFF THAT WILL BE RECALLING AND HAVING THE CLEAR DIRECTION TONIGHT WILL HOPEFULLY FACILITATE THAT.

BUT I CAN'T MAKE ANY PROMISES TODAY AS WHAT IT'S GOING TO EXACTLY LOOK LIKE FEBRUARY 1ST, BUT WE'LL KEEP THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL ABREAST AS WE GET A CLEAR PICTURE ON THAT.

BUT I WOULD WELCOME DIRECTION ON THE AGE FRIENDLY DELIVERY SERVICE BECAUSE CURRENTLY, OR THE AGE FRIENDLY 2.0, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT IN JANUARY, WAS DELIVERED BY RECREATION STAFF WHO WERE UNDEREMPLOYED BECAUSE THE POOL WAS CLOSED.

AS OF FEBRUARY 1ST, THAT STAFF THAT ARE CURRENTLY TAKING CALLS AND FIELDING THE AGE FRIENDLY PROGRAM WILL HAVE MUNICIPAL RECREATION DUTIES.

SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND WE SIMPLY CANCEL THE PROGRAM AS OF FEBRUARY 1ST.

IF THAT'S TOO QUICK, THEN COUNCIL JUST NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE INCURRING EXPENSES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE OTHER STAFF AND THAT'LL HAVE OTHER RIPPLE EFFECTS BECAUSE THE STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN DOING THE AGE FRIENDLY TO DATE, WE'RE GOING TO BE FOCUSED BACK ON THE POOL AND OTHER RECREATION AREAS.

SO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND OTHER STAFF IF IT'S COUNCIL'S WISH THAT WE CONTINUE TO BE DELIVERING GROCERIES AFTER FEBRUARY 1ST WHEN THE MUNICIPAL INDOOR FACILITIES START TO REOPEN. OKAY, AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL, MR. GAGNON, HAS THERE BEEN ANY ATTEMPT OR REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE DELIVERY SERVICES TO TAKE THAT, INCLUDING THE TAXI SERVICES, TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF STAFF AS FAR AS THE DELIVERY PORTION? YOU MADE SOME MODEST EFFORTS, BUT WHAT WE'VE DISCOVERED IN A LOT OF OUR RESEARCH IS A LOT OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE, OR SERVICE PROVIDERS, ARE NOT EXACTLY INSURED OR HAVE A CERTAIN CRITICAL MASS THAT WE COULD EASILY HAND OVER THE REINS OF THE PROGRAM.

WE WOULD BASICALLY JUST BE THE MIDDLEMAN TO SAY, CALL JOHN DOE, HE'S DELIVERING THE SERVICE. WE'RE NOT IN THIS ANYMORE.

THEY'RE NOT TO THE LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT WE WOULD HAVE IF YOU WERE DOING A PROPER SERVICE [INAUDIBLE] YOU'RE DELIVERING GROCERIES TO PEOPLE'S HOMES AND YOU'RE UNINSURED.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY GET IN A FENDER BENDER? AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S-- WE DON'T-- WE EITHER DELIVER THE SERVICE OR GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND WE'LL FOR SURE FACILITATE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC WHO ARE WORRIED ABOUT GOING TO GROCERY STORES.

BUT IT'S BEEN SORT OF A HODGEPODGE OF SERVICE PROVIDERS WITH VARYING LEVELS OF DUE DILIGENCE, LET'S SAY.

[INAUDIBLE] CONTINUE ON WITH OUR LIST HERE OF ED, SANDY, TOM, CHRIS, NORM STILL LINED UP . SO, COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE POOL BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN OVER THERE AND LOOKED AT TO-- TALK TO ANYBODY, BUT I HAVE SPOKEN TO MS. MCINNIS, WHO-- CONCERNING THE ARENA AND SHE ASSURES ME THAT IF, I THINK IT'S MIDNIGHT ON THE 31ST OF JANUARY, THE RESTRICTIONS ARE LIFTED.

THEN ON TUESDAY THEY WILL HAVE-- THEY'VE KEPT THE ICE COLD AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, SO THAT'S WORKING OUT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN HAVE A PRACTICE OR WHATEVER ON THE 1ST OF

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FEBRUARY, I DON'T KNOW. BUT CERTAINLY WITHIN ABOUT 48 HOURS, THEY WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM.

BOTH THE MINOR HOCKEY AND THE JUNIOR [INAUDIBLE] HOCKEY TEAM.

SO, THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM.

AS FOR THE DELIVERY SERVICE, MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THAT IS THAT, IF YOU RECALL, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WAS MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE WERE GIVEN SUFFICIENT NOTICE. WE DIDN'T JUST CUT IT OFF.

AND I'M AFRAID THAT IF WE JUST CUT IT OFF ON THE 31ST, WHICH I BELIEVE IS MONDAY, YOU'RE NOT GIVING THE ENOUGH NOTICE AND WE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO GRADUALLY PULL OUT OF THAT.

AND SO THAT BOTHERS ME QUITE A BIT.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR-- MR. GAGNON. JUST A FOOTNOTE UNRELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR COMMENT WAS JUST THAT WE DO HAVE A DOOR TO DOOR MAILER THAT'S GOING TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD LATER THIS WEEK, AND THERE IS AN AD IN THERE SAYING IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANY SERVICE PROVIDERS OR IF YOU HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO HELP WITH THE AGE FRIENDLY HANDOFF, FEEL FREE TO CONTACT CITY HALL AND WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. SO, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET BOTH BUSINESSES, EVERYONE, BASICALLY EVERY HOUSEHOLD IN ELLIOT LAKE.

SO, MAYBE THERE'S SOMEBODY UP THERE THAT CAN REACH OUT TO US ON THAT FRONT AS WELL.

JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT [INAUDIBLE].

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

IF I COULD PUT MS. D'AMATO ON THE SPOT AND ASK HER IF SHE HAS ANY IDEA HOW MANY PEOPLE WE'RE DISCUSSING AT THIS POINT, I THINK THAT-- I DON'T THINK I PUT MS. [INAUDIBLE] ON THE SPOT ABOUT THAT, BUT I KNOW MS. D'AMATO HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT.

SO, I JUST WONDERED IF SHE HAD AN IDEA OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT, AND I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AS COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

IT WAS MY CONCERN WAS SAYING YES, THAT WE WOULD DUMP THESE PEOPLE AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE, AND THEY ARE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE TRANSITIONED TO SOMETHING ELSE.

AS TO, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT DELIVERY SERVICES AS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY HIRE AND PAY FIVE DOLLARS OR WHATEVER TO GO AND SHOP [INAUDIBLE] THESE PEOPLE WHAT PEOPLE CHOOSE TO USE AND WHO THEY CHOOSE TO USE.

IF WE COULD JUST GET NAMES PROVIDED, THEN THEY CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS ON WHAT LEVEL OF SECURITY THEY HAVE WITH THE DELIVERY SERVICES.

BUT I DO HOPE THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING THAT CAN LEND A HAND OR THAT ARE DOING THIS TO PLEASE, PLEASE CONTACT THROUGH THE AD AND SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THE INFORMATION TO PEOPLE. SORRY, AMELIA.

THANK YOU [INAUDIBLE] YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

I DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS, BUT IT'S APPROXIMATELY AROUND 30 INDIVIDUALS THAT WE'RE SERVICING. WE FULFILL ABOUT 10 ORDERS PER DAY, BUT IT'S AROUND JUST 30 INDIVIDUALS.

THANK YOU. OK, THANK YOU, AND SO MY, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS STILL THE SAME, THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING PEOPLE STRANDED AND THAT-- I DON'T KNOW WHO, BUT [INAUDIBLE]-- I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE A SOCIAL WORK DEPARTMENT WITH THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, BUT THERE ARE AGENCIES IN TOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF AN AGENCY CAN STAND UP AND HELP US OUT AND HELP TRANSITION THESE PEOPLE. IF THESE PEOPLE HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES OR ILLNESS ISSUES, THEN THEY PROBABLY HAVE AGENCIES THAT MIGHT BE INVOLVED WITH THEM, AND IF WE CAN ASK THEM TO STEP UP AND HELP US, THEN YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD ABOUT THE RESOLUTION IS THAT, OF COURSE, THE PROVINCE HAS TAKEN MORE OF A REGIONAL LOOK AT THIS THIS LAST YEAR AND THAT, OF COURSE, IF APH STEPS UP BEFORE THE 1ST OF FEBRUARY AND ASKS US TO DO DIFFERENT THAT, WE FOLLOW APH'S GUIDELINES THROUGH THIS AS WELL.

FOR SURE. I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CONTROL GROUP.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. YES, THANKS, MR. MAYOR. I WAS IN ATTENDANCE TODAY WITH THE DELEGATION MEETING WITH THE MINISTER OF SENIORS AND ACCESSIBILITY.

AND HE MENTIONED IN HIS COMMENTS THAT ALL THE GREAT THINGS THE MINISTRY WAS GETTING INTO.

DID I CATCH IT CORRECTLY, THAT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF FUND DEALING WITH THIS KIND OF ISSUE? DELIVERIES AND GROCERIES? THAT IS WHAT HE MENTIONED, IS THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A FUNDING STREAM TO COVER EXACTLY THIS.

ESSENTIALLY, THE AGE FRIENDLY DELIVERERS PROGRAM.

SO, REACHING OUT TO HIM AND HIS STAFFERS TO FIND OUT WHERE WE CAN FIND THAT AND MAY BE A POTENTIAL TO CARRY THIS ON FUNDED THROUGH THAT AGENCY WILL POTENTIALLY HIRE IN SOME PART TIME INDIVIDUALS FOR THE TIME BEING.

YEAH, I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT.

AND IF WE'RE DEALING WITH 30 PEOPLE AND 10 ORDERS A DAY.

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THAT'S AN AMAZING NUMBER OF ORDERS PER PERSON OVER THE SPACE OF A MONTH HERE.

KIND OF SURPRISED BY THE NUMBER OF TIMES INDIVIDUALS ARE ASKING US TO DO THIS.

I DO THINK THAT SERVICES LIKE TAXI SERVICES, THEIR DRIVERS ARE ALREADY SCREENED THROUGH THE POLICE AND LICENSING SYSTEM.

WE SHOULD CONSIDER IT FOR THE PRICE OF ONE EMPLOYEES TIMES.

IN TIME WE COULD HAVE 500 TAXI RIDES.

AND I'M SURE WITHIN THE SPACE OF A MONTH.

SO, I WOULD ENCOURAGE STAFF TO GIVE IT SOME CONSIDERATION, WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BE WORKED OUT LOGISTICALLY BECAUSE I REALIZE THEY HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE TAKING PHONE CALLS AND ORDERS AND THE LIKE AND THEN PASSING EVERYTHING ON.

[INAUDIBLE] CONSIDER THOUGH I THINK.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR TURNER.

I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY IT A LITTLE FURTHER.

I SPOKE WITH MS. SONNENBURG ON FRIDAY, AND AT THAT POINT THERE HAD ONLY BEEN 66 DELIVERIES, SO WE'RE NOT DOING 10 DELIVERIES TO 30 PEOPLE THROUGH THE MONTH, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE IT 300.

SO, THE NUMBERS AS OF FRIDAY WERE ROUGHLY 66 OR 67 DELIVERIES.

AND THAT MAY SEEM VERY MINUSCULE, BUT IF YOU'RE TAKING THAT REVENUE AWAY FROM THESE BUSINESSES, THE TAXI COMPANIES, THE DELIVERY SERVICES, SO, SAY THERE'S A HALF A DOZEN OF THEM AND YOU'RE TAKING FIVE OR SIX OF THEM FROM EACH OF THOSE.

THESE ARE ALL TAX PAYING CITIZENS, AND I JUST-- I STILL AM VERY ADAMANT WE SHOULD NOT BE IN THIS BUSINESS TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM THE TAXPAYERS, FROM SOMETHING THAT'S COSTING THE MUNICIPALITY HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS.

REMEMBER, OUR STAFF THAT ARE DOING THIS ARE NOT MINIMUM WAGE PEOPLE.

THEY'RE VERY COSTLY TO THE MUNICIPALITY.

AND YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO BE ABLE TO HIRE PART TIME PEOPLE TO TAKE THIS OVER AT MINIMUM WAGE. THIS IS A LARGE ENDEAVOR IF YOU'RE GOING TO CARRY ON WITH IT.

IT GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE OF CITY HALL, IT GOES FINANCE, IT GOES THROUGH THE TREASURER, IT GOES THROUGH THE DELIVERY PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO ORGANIZE IT.

IT'S NOT JUST MAKE A PHONE CALL AND IT'S TAKEN CARE OF.

THIS TAKES A LOT OF WORK UNDER THIS MUNICIPALITY AND WE'RE ALREADY STRETCHED THIN WITH OUR STAFF, ACCORDING TO OUR CAO.

AND I BELIEVE HIM. I DON'T THINK HE'S PULLING OUR CHAIN SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT, OUR STAFF IS OVERWORKED. SO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO ADD WORK TO THEM, THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING READY TO TURN THIS DOWN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO, WHETHER WE END IT ON THE 31ST, MAYBE WE RUN IT FOR AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN DAYS SO THAT THE MAILER CAN GET OUT, THEN WE CAN HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTACT INFORMATION.

I DON'T KNOW WHOSE PHONE IS GOING TO BE RUNG OFF THE HOOK ON THAT MAILER, BUT IT'S JUST AGAIN MORE WORK FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S TRYING TO DO THEIR JOBS DAY TO DAY AS WE CARRY ON.

OK, MS. SONNENBURG.

YOUR MUTED. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

IF I MAY, JUST TO DEMYSTIFY SOME OF THE STATISTICAL INFORMATION, I JUST RAN THE NUMBERS.

AND SINCE THE RESTART OF THE PROGRAM, THE CITY HAS DELIVERED GROCERIES TO 52 INDIVIDUALS FOR A TOTAL OF 83 UNIQUE ORDERS.

SO, WE HAVE REPEAT CLIENTS THAT ARE COMING BACK WEEK AFTER WEEK.

WE'RE AVERAGING APPROXIMATELY 7 PER DAY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK COUNCILLOR PATRIE FOR RECOGNIZING THAT THIS DOES PUT PRESSURE ON ALL DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UNDERSTAFFED AND ALSO CHALLENGED WITH OUR OWN SHORTCOMINGS AND SHORT STAFFEDNEES, IF THAT'S WORD.

THANK YOU, MS. SONNENBURG.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THE PANDEMIC HAS PUT STRESSES ON ALL DEPARTMENTS IN THE MUNICIPALITY, AS WELL AS ALL SEGMENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY.

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I JUST WANT TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A COMFORT OF DEALING WITH THE MUNICIPALITY.

IN THE BEGINNING I ALSO SAID THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR A BUSINESS TO COME FORWARD TO CREATE THIS OPPORTUNITY.

THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME LEVELS OF WHETHER THAT'S ACTUALLY OCCURRED OR NOT.

HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT THESE ARE POTENTIALLY VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT NEED A SERVICE AND WHETHER IT'S 52 OR 5 OR 150, I DON'T FEEL IT'S RIGHT THAT WE CLOSE IT WITH A WEEK'S NOTICE.

IF WE NEED TO SHUT IT DOWN, WHICH I AGREE WE DO, WE DO NEED TO GIVE PROPER NOTICE.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANOTHER DATE THROWN OUT, SO LET'S PICK MIDDLE OF FEBRUARY.

LAST DATE, FEBRUARY 11TH GIVES THREE WEEKS NOTICE.

I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT COUNCIL HAS TO REMEMBER IS JUST BECAUSE THE PROVINCE HAS SAID WE'RE REOPENING ON JANUARY 31ST DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE THREAT HAS STOPPED.

WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THIS YET.

SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THE WOODS, BUT LOOKING AT NUMBERS, HEARING SEVERAL PUBLIC HEALTH MEETINGS FROM OUR DISTRICT LATE LAST WEEK, THE NUMBERS ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS BEING REPORTED, AS I'M SURE COUNCILLOR PEARCE WOULD AGREE WITH.

SO AGAIN, THE REALITY IS THE NUMBERS ARE A LOT HIGHER.

IT IS VERY TRANSMISSIBLE, WHICH IS WHY VULNERABLE PEOPLE ARE CALLING FOR 83 ORDERS, AND I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS MUNICIPALITY ASSISTING THOSE PEOPLE.

CONSIDERING ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO SPEND MONEY ON FOR THE SAKE OF ALL TAXPAYERS, WHICH I BELIEVE IS IMPORTANT, BUT I ALSO AGREE IT NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN WITH APPROPRIATE NOTICE, SO I'LL THROW THE FIRST DATE OUT.

FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 11TH FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES.

OK, JUST ON THAT COUNCILLOR PASSED AT THE LAST MEETING THAT IT WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, AND THERE WAS DIRECTION GIVEN TO STAFF AT THAT TIME TO WORK WITH OUTSIDE PROPONENTS TO TRY AND RAMP IT DOWN AND HAND IT OVER TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

AND A VERY IMPORTANT POINTS BEEN BROUGHT UP.

I UNDERSTAND THAT SHORT STAFFING IN THE MUNICIPALITY, [INAUDIBLE] SHORT STAFFED EVERYWHERE. I UNDERSTAND COUNCILLOR MANN, YOU'RE WORKING A LOT OF DOUBLE SHIFTS TO TRY AND FILL IN THE GAPS. AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE-- US WHO ARE ABLE TO ARE LOOKING AT BURNOUTS IN DIFFERENT WAYS, TRYING TO KEEP OUR ORGANIZATIONS RUNNING, TRYING TO KEEP THOSE AROUND US HEALTHY.

IT'S NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH MONEY.

IT HAS TO DO WITH-- EVEN IF WE SAVE ONE LIFE, THERE IS A VULNERABLE SECTOR HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND NOW WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S 52 OF THEM THAT RELY ON THE MUNICIPALITY.

AND AGAIN, WE PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT GAVE A TIME FRAME GOING INTO THE FIRST MEETING OF FEBRUARY, GIVING STAFF THAT TIME TO WORK ON AN ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION.

AND I'M HOPING THAT SOMETHING WILL POP UP.

SEEING THE NUMBERS OF 7 IN A DAY.

POSSIBLY THERE'S A WAY TO TRANSITION, AND EVEN IF IT'S JUST OUR STAFF TAKING THE CALLS AND HAVING CAB COMPANY PICK UP THE DELIVERIES AND DROP THEM OFF, AND I UNDERSTAND MOST PLACES IN TOWN, FROM THE GROCERY STORE TO YOUR HOUSE IS GOING TO BE ABOUT 20 BUCKS.

BUT THAT GROCERY STORE TO YOUR HOME FOR 20 BUCKS, AS COUNCILLOR PATRIE POINTED OUT, IS LESS THAN WHAT WE PAY SOME OF OUR STAFF.

SO, THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR TRANSITION.

BUT AGAIN, WE HAD A MOTION THAT BROUGHT US TO THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY.

SO UNLESS WE'RE LOOKING AT RESCINDING THAT MOTION FOR ANOTHER MOTION, THAT GIVES AMPLE TIME ALREADY AND WE DO HAVE ANOTHER MOTION ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW THAT HAS TO DO WITH TIME FRAME FOR REOPENING.

AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

THE PROVINCE SO FAR HAS CONTINUED TO REOPEN TOO EARLY EVERY TIME, WHICH SEES WAVE AFTER WAVE AFTER WAVE.

INSTEAD OF KEEPING THINGS SHUT DOWN, AND I WANT THEM TO OPEN AS MUCH AS EVERYBODY ELSE.

WELL, WE KEEP OPENING TOO EARLY AND SEEING AN ADDITIONAL WAVE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE NUMBERS DOWN LOW ENOUGH ACROSS THE PROVINCE.

PEOPLE GET EXCITED, GO PARTYING AND BOOM, THERE WE ARE AGAIN WITH ANOTHER FLARE UP.

SO, VERY CONCERNED.

BUT THE MOTION ON THE TABLE MS. BRAY WHAT DO WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT? [INAUDIBLE] YOUR WORSHIP. SO, MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE THAT CITY FACILITIES REOPEN AS FOR THE PROVINCE'S REOPENING GUIDELINES.

OK, THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ON THIS? COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IF THE MOVER IS AGREEABLE AND IF YOU WANT US TO RESCIND THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION, I WILL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, THAT THE STAFF BE DIRECTED TO RAMP DOWN THE AGE FRIENDLY DELIVERY SERVICE FOR FEBRUARY 11TH. I WOULD SAY IN A WEEK, I [INAUDIBLE] GLADLY GO TO THE 11TH.

[02:05:03]

I DON'T WANT TO BE WAITING UNTIL THE MEETING OF THE 11TH, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ANOTHER 30 DAYS OUT.

I JUST-- I DO WANT STAFF TO WORK WITH PEOPLE ON THIS.

SO, I WOULD MAKE THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, IF THE MOVER IS AGREEABLE TO THAT AND YOUR WORSHIP IF YOU WANT US TO RESCIND THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION BY COUNCIL THAT WE COME BACK AND DEAL WITH IT ON THE 11TH.

I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION AS WELL AFTER THE FACT.

[INAUDIBLE]. JUST TO CLARIFY, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 11TH IS A FRIDAY, THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING IS THE 14TH.

ROMANTIC, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE IT [INAUDIBLE] HANDLE IT.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE PUT FORWARD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I THINK COUNCILLOR MANN WAS ONE THAT MOVE THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT.

OR THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

I WAS YOUR WORSHIP, I'M JUST CHECKING.

YEAH, THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY IS, YEAH, I WAS JUST TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS.

I THINK THE INTENTION OF THE AGE FRIENDLY REOPENING WAS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT WERE COMING.

YEAH, I'LL AGREE TO THAT.

LAST DATE, FEBRUARY 11TH.

WE'RE GIVING THE COMMUNITY THREE WEEKS NOTICE AT THIS POINT THAT WE WOULD BE CLOSING IT DOWN. SO YEAH, I'LL AGREE TO THAT.

MS. BRAY PROCEDURALLY, IS IT OK TO ACCEPT THIS OR DO I NEED TO LOOK FOR A MOTION TO RESCIND THE ORIGINAL MOTION FIRST? SO, THERE IS A MOTION THAT WE REVIEW AGE FRIENDLY ON A MONTH TO MONTH BASIS.

SO TECHNICALLY, IT WOULD BE COMING BACK ON FEBRUARY 14TH FOR REVIEW.

SO, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE RESCIND.

I HAVE TO GET THE RESOLUTION NUMBER, BUT THAT WE RESCIND THAT RESOLUTION TO PASS THIS MOTION. OK, SO MAYBE DOING TWO PARTS, THEN STICK WITH THE ORIGINAL MOTION COUNCILLOR MANN. SO WE'RE DOING TWO SEPARATE.

GIVE MS. BRAY A MOMENT TO LOOK UP THE RESOLUTION NUMBER SO WE CAN CARRY ON.

YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT YOUR WORSHIP THE ORIGINAL AND THEN HAVE A SECOND.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. YOUR WORSHIP, JUST A QUICK SUGGESTION.

FOR THE SAKE OF A FEW DAYS, WHY DON'T WE MOVE THE-- LEAVE THE AGE FRIENDLY UNTIL THE 15TH ? COUNCIL MEETS ON THE 14TH.

WE OFFICIALLY CANCEL IT, AND IT'S A DONE DEAL.

I MEAN, WE'RE CLEARLY DISCUSSING IT AT OPEN COUNCIL NOW.

SO, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'LL VOTE ON COUNCILLOR MANN ORIGINAL MOTION AND THEN WE'LL DEAL WITH THE AGE FRIENDLY THING SEPARATELY.

SO, ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR CYR.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT ONCE CARRIED.

MS. BRAY, DO YOU HAVE THE RESOLUTION NUMBER? YES, IT WAS RESOLUTION 11-22.

SO, MOTION WOULD BE THAT COUNCIL RESCIND RESOLUTION 11-22 IN FAVOR OF RAMPING DOWN THE AGE FRIENDLY DELIVERY PROGRAM BY FEBRUARY 11TH.

I SO MOVE. OK, SECONDER? SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

DISCUSSION ON THAT NOW.

THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO WRAP IT DOWN ON THE 11TH, THAT WE VOTE ON IT TONIGHT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN BE TOLD TOMORROW.

I THINK IT'S REALLY--.

I DON'T WANT TO BE TELLING THEM ON THE 14TH THAT IT'S DONE ON THE 15TH.

THAT'S NOT THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

WE'RE TRYING TO TRANSITION PEOPLE.

WE'RE TRYING NOT TO-- AND PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY WATCH COUNCIL.

AND AS WE KNOW, IT'S NOT ON TV, SO PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW.

SO, I THINK THAT MR. GAGNON HAS HEARD US AND THAT STAFF WILL BE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF ELLIOT LAKE AND TO BE ABLE TO TRANSITION FROM THIS PROGRAM.

AND IF THEY'RE HAVING DIFFICULTIES, THEN THEY CAN COME BACK TO US AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT FURTHER.

IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ON THE 11TH OF FEBRUARY, THEN WE MEET ON THE 14TH TO DISCUSS DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES.

BUT HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEONE COME FORWARD TO HELP THESE VULNERABLE PEOPLE.

[02:10:04]

I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT COVID IS ALIVE AND WELL.

I HAVE SOME EXTREMELY SICK FAMILY MEMBERS RIGHT NOW WHO WERE EXTREMELY CAREFUL, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DOING THESE DAYS, PEOPLE ARE CATCHING IT.

IT IS HIGHLY, HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS.

SO, PLEASE FOLLOW AS MANY REGULATIONS AS YOU CAN AND JUST REALLY TRY TO STAY SAFE.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

JUST A QUESTION I--.

THROUGH YOU TO THE CAO, THE NEWSLETTER THAT IS GOING OUT THIS WEEK, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO INCLUDE THAT CHANGE IN DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WHEN YOU'RE REQUESTING MEMBERS TO BRING FORWARD? I WOULD STILL LIKE YOU TO BE ABLE TO PROMOTE AND GET IT OUT THERE.

I KNOW FACEBOOK HAS SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT.

I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT OUR BUSINESSES AND I HAD BUSINESSES APPROACHED ME.

BUT YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO ENDORSE ANYTHING THAT WE AREN'T 100 PERCENT SURE OF AS A MUNICIPALITY, IF PEOPLE WANT TO USE THESE SERVICES, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM AS MANY OPTIONS AS POSSIBLE.

SO MY QUESTION VIRTUALLY IS, CAN YOU ADD THAT TO YOUR NEWSLETTER THAT WE WILL BE CANCELING THIS ON THE 11TH? THAT'LL BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR MR. ANTUNES, I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE LITERALLY GONE TO PRINT AND IT'S TOO LATE OR WHAT EXACTLY THAT AD-- WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND WHAT WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE IN THAT AD.

SO, OVER TO YOU MR. ANTUNES.

THANK YOU, MR. GAGNON. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THE AD SIMPLY DOES REQUEST DELIVERY SERVICES TO CONTACT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. SO, I PUT IT ON OUR DEPARTMENT TO FUNNEL THE CALLS THROUGH US, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THE MAIN PAGE SAYING THE AGE FRIENDLY DELIVERY SERVICE WILL END ON THE 11TH OF FEBRUARY, IF THAT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL.

AS FAR AS COLLECTING NAMES, WE HAVE POSTED IT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THROUGH OUR SOCIAL MEDIA BEFORE.

WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANY RESPONSE FROM ANY DRIVERS THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THE SERVICE.

THERE WAS SOMEONE FOUND THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA THAT I DID REACH OUT TO AND I HADN'T HEARD BACK FROM. BUT THE AD IS A VERY GENERAL AD ASKING FOR DELIVERY SERVICES IN THE MUNICIPALITY TO POST ON THE CITY WEBSITE.

THANK YOU.

MR. GAGNON. JUST A COUPLE QUICK FOOTNOTES, SO I RESERVED THE RIGHT FROM, SAY, FEBRUARY 1ST, THE FEBRUARY 11TH TO REDEPLOY STAFF FROM ELSEWHERE, FOCUSING ON THE REC DEPARTMENT TO RESUME THOSE SERVICES AND STILL MAINTAIN THE AGE FRIENDLY DELIVERY SERVICE.

AND THEN I THINK WE JUST SORT OF FORGOTTEN ONE COMPONENT, WHICH IS WE SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING EVERYONE TO GET THEIR BOOSTERS.

OUR LATEST STATS LATE LAST WEEK WAS 50 PERCENT OF ELLIOT LAKERS WHO WERE ELIGIBLE HAD RECEIVED THEIR BOOSTER SHOT, WHICH MEANS [INAUDIBLE] BE LESS SEVERE IF THEY'VE AT LEAST HAD THE BOOSTER WHEN AND IF THEY GET [INAUDIBLE].

AND WE WILL GENTLY SUGGEST THE 52 USERS THAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING THEIR BOOSTERS REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE FOR DELIVERY.

THAT'S IF THEY CAN GET A BOOSTER.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS POINT? SEEING NONE, I ROLL CALL VOTE, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR CYR.

COUNCILLOR MANN. IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR FENIMORE.

FAVOR. I'M OPPOSED, BUT THAT'S CARRIED.

PETITIONS WE HAVE NONE THIS EVENING.

[10. PETITIONS]

CORRESPONDENCE, WE HAVE NONE.

[11. CORRESPONDENCE]

NOTICES OF MOTION, WE HAVE NONE.

[12. NOTICES OF MOTION]

COUNCIL'S REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[13. COUNCIL REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]

VERY, VERY SHORT. AGAIN, AS COUNCILLOR TURNER MENTIONED, NOT ONLY DID YOU MEET WITH THE MINISTER OF INFRASTRUCTURE, WE ALSO MET WITH MINISTER CHO, MINISTER OF SENIORS AFFAIRS AND ACCESSIBILITY, WHO POINTED OUT THAT ELLIOT LAKE HAS BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN TWO PREVIOUS GRANT APPLICATIONS FOR ACCESSIBILITY.

AND THAT SAME GRANT FUNDING REOPENS AGAIN TOMORROW, SO WE CAN APPLY TO THAT FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT PROJECTS.

HE ALSO MENTIONED DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE NOT ONLY [INAUDIBLE] MUNICIPALITY, BUT INDIVIDUALS.

WHICH SOME OF THIS INFORMATION, I HOPE MS. ROY, WILL BE ABLE TO GET AND ADD TO THE UPCOMING NEWSLETTERS THAT GO OUT BECAUSE THERE'S CONSIDERABLE FUNDING FOR ACCESSIBILITY IN YOUR HOME.

ALONG WITH UPGRADING YOUR VEHICLE AND POTENTIAL FUNDING, ALTHOUGH IT'S SMALLER FOR BUSINESSES IN THE FUTURE.

MR. GAGNON, MORE INFORMATION ON THAT.

YEAH, WE'RE MORE ON THE BALL THAN WE THOUGHT WE WERE.

[02:15:02]

MR. ANTUNES REMINDED ME THAT THERE IS ITEMS IN THAT MAILER WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT SPEAKS TO THE HOME RENOVATION GRANTS AND VEHICLE GRANTS FOR SENIORS.

SO, THAT INFORMATION'S ALREADY OUT THERE AND SHOULD BE HITTING HOMES THIS WEEK.

HOPEFULLY, IT HAS THE PHONE NUMBER THAT IS 2-1-1.

ALL INFORMATION YOU NEED AS FAR AS SENIORS AFFAIRS OR ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES OWN ONE NUMBER, APPARENTLY, AND THAT IS 2-1-1.

SO, GOOD INFORMATION ON THAT.

NEXT PIECE FOR THE REPORT, WE HAVE ELLIOT LAKE'S INVOLVEMENT IN THE ONTARIO ICE FISHING CHALLENGE. CITY HAS ENTERED THE EVENT RECEIVING SPONSORING BY CANADIAN TIRE AND THE ELLIOT LAKE TRADING POST.

THIS EVENT RUNS FROM FEBRUARY 1ST TO 28TH AND ALLOWS ANGLERS TO COMPETE WITH OTHERS ACROSS THE PROVINCE FOR GREAT PRIZES AND, OF COURSE, BRAGGING RIGHTS.

THERE ARE AWARDS FOR MOST FISH, [INAUDIBLE] SPECIES, LONGEST FISH.

ANGLERS SIGN UP THROUGH THE ANGLERS ATLAS WEBSITE AND TRACK THEIR CATCHES THROUGH AN APP ON THE SMARTPHONE.

THERE THEY CAN SEE A LEADERBOARDS AND OTHER GREAT INFORMATION.

COST IS TWENTY DOLLARS TO RESIDENTS, AND YOU CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON ELLIOTLAKE.CA/ICEFISHINGCHALLENGE. AND I KNOW A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE REACHED OUT AS THIS WENT ONLINE. THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR RUNNING.

WON $2,100 DOLLARS FOR A SIZABLE FISH LAST YEAR.

CAUGHT OUTSIDE MY BACK DOOR, APPARENTLY.

SO, A VERY INTERESTING NOTE.

I'M GOING TO ASK MR. ANTUNES IF YOU CAN GIVE US A QUICK TWO MINUTES THERE OF WHAT THE WEBSITE LOOKS LIKE, BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF EXCITING WHEN THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO DO.

ALL ICE FISHING DERBIES HAVE BEEN CANCELED, BUT THIS IS PROVINCIAL WIDE.

CAN YOU SHOW US WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE MR. ANTUNES? ABSOLUTELY YOUR WORSHIP.

THROUGH YOU, I'LL MAKE THIS REALLY BRIEF DUE TO TIME, BUT I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN HERE.

EVERYONE CAN SEE MY SCREEN, I'M GUESSING? YES. OK.

THIS IS THE ELLIOT LAKE WEBSITE THROUGH THE CITY ELLIOTLAKE.CA/ICEFISHINGCHALLENGE.

YOU CAN FIND OUT ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE PROCESS HERE.

HOW TO SIGN UP ALL THE LINKS ARE ON THE WEBSITE, HOW THE PROGRAM WORKS, MEASURING TIPS AND SO ON. GOING THROUGH, FOLKS WILL GO TO ANGLERS ATLAS.

THEY WILL SIGN UP BY LOGGING IN AND THEY CAN SIGN UP THROUGH THIS.

TOURNAMENTS. ONTARIO ICE FISHING CHALLENGE.

AND HERE FOLKS CAN SEE WHICH TOWNS ARE INVOLVED.

THE PRIZES, THE RULES, EVERYTHING INCLUDED.

SO, GOING TO THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PRIZES THAT ARE AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW FOR MOST FISH CAUGHT IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

CURRENTLY, THE CITY IS SPONSORING THAT PRIZE THROUGH THE PRIZE BEING A HOODIE.

OTHER BUSINESSES ARE WELCOME TO REACH OUT IF THEY CHOOSE TO SPONSOR ANYTHING WITHIN THIS TOURNAMENT LOCALLY.

TOURNAMENT WIDE, WHICH IS PROVINCIAL LONGEST NORTHERN PIKE, FIRST PLACE FOR LONGEST NORTHERN PIKE THAT REGISTERS, WINS A THOUSAND BUCKS AND THAT'S PROVINCIAL.

SO, A LOT OF GREAT PRIZES.

LONGEST WALLEYE, LONGEST LAKE TROUT.

SO, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHANCES TO WIN ANYTHING FROM $1000 TO $100 DOLLARS.

SO, A NICE WAY TO ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO GO OUT AND SPEND SOME TIME ON THE LAKES AND WIN SOME MONEY. IT'S TOUGH.

THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES.

WITH THAT, I SAW A BLIND RIVER ALSO LISTED ON THERE, SO I'M GOING TO CHALLENGE-- I LIKE TO PICK ON MAYOR SALLY HAGMAN.

I WOULD CHALLENGE MAYOR HAGMAN IN SAYING IF A ELLIOT LAKER CATCHES A BIGGER FISH THAN BLIND RIVER, YOU'VE GOT TO KISS A COD.

AND IF BLIND RIVER CATCHES A BIGGER FISH, I'LL KISS THE COD.

AND WE DO THAT ON TAPE, SO CHALLENGE OUT TO MS. HAGMAN. ALWAYS IN GOOD FUN.

I'M NOT BEYOND KISSING A FISH, LET ME TELL YOU.

[LAUGHTER] MR. ANTUNES. NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT YOUR WORSHIP, BUT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT SABLES-SPANISH RIVER AND ESPANOLA ARE ALSO INVOLVED AS WELL.

SO, IF YOU WANT SOME MORE COMPETITION, SOME OTHER LOCAL MAYORS WOULD I'M SURE TAKE YOU TO TASK. ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL SEE IF ANYBODY REACHES OUT.

VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.

BEFORE I HIT THE BIG TICKET ITEMS, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL PIECES FOR COUNCILS REPORT THIS EVENING? OK.

SEEING NONE, I WILL GET ON WITH THE BIG TICKET ITEMS. WE HAVE RECEIVER GENERAL FOR CANADA.

THIS IS JANUARY 20TH, 2022 ALLOTMENTS.

$85,800 FOR RECEIVER GENERAL.

AJ BUS LINES TRANSIT SERVICE ONTARIO NORTHLAND CONNECTION $35,500.

[02:20:03]

ALGOMA DISTRICT SERVICES ADMINISTRATION BOARD MUNICIPAL LEVEE $186,700.

ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH FIRST QUARTER 2022 LEVEE $108,000.

[INAUBDLE] CREDIT CARD SERVICES $24,000 GFL ENVIRONMENTAL CURBSIDE PICKUP AND WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WATERING $40,800.

HYDRO ONE NETWORKS NOVEMBER-DECEMBER $20,900.

K&S WINDSOR SALT $21,300.

LEROY CONSTRUCTION [INAUBDLE] POPULAR REHAB HOLD BACK RELEASE $192,800.

MCCOWAN AND ASSOCIATES HART AND LIBRARY $27,400.

MCDOUGALL ENERGY, THAT WOULD BE DIESEL AND REGULAR GAS, DYED DIESEL, $37,000.

OMERS $46,100.

TULLOCH ENGINEERING, BUILDING, INSPECTION, CONSULTATION THEATER DSS AND FOX DRIVE $23,120.

THOSE ARE BIG TICKET ITEMS. THERE'S NO ADDENDUM THIS EVENING.

[14. ADDENDUM]

INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BYLAWS.

[15. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BY-LAWS]

15.1, BYLAW 22-02 BEING A BYLAW TO APPOINT JEFF TRUMAN AS A CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL FOR THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR. AND WELCOME COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

WELCOME ABOARD. I'M IN FAVOR.

OK, THANK YOU. I'M IN FAVOR ALSO, AND AS EVERYONE SAID, WELCOME TO THE TEAM.

HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE A GREAT TIME HERE.

15.2, BYLAW 22-03 BEING A BYLAW TO AMEND THE ZONING BYLAW OF THE MUNICIPALITY NUMBER 18 -36. ADJACENT TO 3 ESTEN DRIVE SOUTH.

THAT'S ONE WE JUST WENT THROUGH.

MOVER PLEASE.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? COUNCILLOR PATRIE. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOUR WORSHIP, THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED EARLIER, THIS IS THE ONE TO DEAL WITH THE PUBLIC MEETING EARLIER THAT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION TO.

THAT'S THE ZONING BYLAW ISSUE.

SO, THIS WAS THE ONE THAT CAME FROM OUR PUBLIC MEETING AT 6:30? OK, PERFECT. ANY CONCERNS? NO. SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINA.MORE.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR CYR.

IN FAVOR. AND I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT'S CARRIED, THANK YOU.

15.3, BYLAW 22-04 BEING A BYLAW TO DEEM A REGISTERED PLAN OF SUBDIVISION-- NOT TO BE A REGISTERED PLAN OF SUBDIVISION FOR 3 ESTEN DRIVE SOUTH.

THERE YOU GO. THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT ONE.

A MOVER, PLEASE. MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

A SECOND BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

AGAIN, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NONE, WE'LL ROLL THROUGH COUNCILLOR TURNER.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR CYR.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT ONE CARRIED ALSO, THANK YOU.

15.4, BYLAW 22-05 BEING A BYLAW TO DEEM A REGISTERED PLAN OF SUBDIVISION NOT TO BE A REGISTERED PLAN OF SUBDIVISION FOR 133, 135 FROBEL DRIVE.

AGAIN, A MOVER PLEASE.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR MANN.

FAVOR. AND I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT IS CARRIED ALSO.

15.5, BYLAW 22-06 BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT OF PURCHASE AND SALE BETWEEN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND 2830079 ONTARIO LIMITED ON OAKLAND BOULEVARD. MOVER PLEASE.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN SECOND BOARD COUNCILLOR CYR.

[02:25:02]

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? COUNCILLOR PATRIE. SORRY, YOUR WORSHIP.

I'M IN FAVOR OF IT, I JUST-- DID A REPORT COME TO COUNCIL IN OPEN SESSION OR IS IT STRICTLY THE BYLAW THAT'S COMING FORWARD AFTER OUR CLOSED SESSION MEETINGS? IT'S STRICTLY THE BYLAW THAT'S COME TO COUNCIL AFTER THE CLOSED SESSION APPROVAL, WHICH SHOULD GIVE US A GOOD BIT OF DETAIL ON THE PURCHASE OF THIS PROPERTY.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PUBLIC, DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL WE'RE JUST ACTUALLY PASSING THE BYLAW, SO THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A REPORT.

HENCE, I WAS OPPOSED TO THE STUFF EARLIER.

SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL MS. BRAY. [INAUDIBLE], SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY DIRECTION WAS PROVIDED FOR STAFF TO BRING FORWARD THE AGREEMENT OF PURCHASE AND SALE AS A BYLAW THIS EVENING.

SO, THIS IS A PURCHASE OF A PORTION OF OAKLAND BOULEVARD FOR A NEW BUILD FOR COMMERCIAL USE. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE AGREEMENT HERE HAS THE NAMES.

PROPERTY SOLD FOR FULL ASKING PRICE.

AND THERE'S A COVENANT TO BUILD.

AGAIN, THIS IS A GOOD NEWS STORY, SELLING A PIECE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND A NEW BUSINESS BEING ABLE TO OPEN UP AND SPREAD THEIR WINGS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

RIGHT AGAIN, MR. GAGNON. JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE IS NOTHING THAT PREVENTS US ONCE IT'S ADOPTED TO DO A PRESS RELEASE OR A SUMMARY OF WHAT JUST GOT APPROVED AND GOING FORWARD WE CAN DO A STAFF REPORT THAT SAYS ONCE THIS BYLAW GETS-- WE CAN TIGHTEN UP THE PUBLIC MESSAGING AROUND THESE GOOD NEWS STORIES OR DO A PRESS RELEASE AS NEEDED.

YEAH, THEY'RE DEFINITELY GOOD NEWS STORIES.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I TOTALLY AGREE THAT THEY'RE GOOD NEWS STORY [INAUDIBLE].

THAT MY ISSUE IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING IN CLOSED SESSION, NOT LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW ANY OF THIS STUFF.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE JUST PUTTING THE BYLAW THROUGH WITHOUT A REPORT ON THE AGENDA TO INFORM THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVE THESE GOOD NEWS STORIES COMING FORWARD. BUT THAT'S MY ISSUE.

IT'S JUST-- IT'S NOT TRANSPARENT.

IT'S TRANSPARENT, BUT IT NEGATES THE FUN.

IT IS A LOT OF FUN TO HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS OPEN AND TALK ABOUT WHAT'S BEING DONE HERE.

MR. ANTUNES, DID YOU HAVE--? JUST SEEKING SOME CLARIFICATION, MAYBE MR. GAGNON CAN DO IT OFFLINE.

PROCESS UP TO THIS POINT WAS REPORT WAS BROUGHT TO COUNCIL WITH THE OFFER.

COUNCIL EITHER ACCEPTED OR APPROVED IT IN CLOSED BECAUSE THERE WERE INFORMATION ABOUT PROPONENTS. THE REQUEST IS TO BRING IS TYPICALLY TO BRING THE AGREEMENT OF PURCHASE AND SALE TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.

IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL THAT IT IS DONE EARLIER ON IN THE SAME MEETING AND HAVE THE BYLAW LATER. OR WE ENDED UP DELAYING THE SALE BY ANOTHER WEEK TO HAVE A REPORT ONE WEEK, AGAIN IN OPEN, REITERATING THE SAME INFORMATION TO THEN GO INTO CLOSED-- OR TO HAVE A BYLAW THE FOLLOWING WEEK.

AND IF COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED DIRECTION, WE DON'T WANT TO DELAY THE PROCESS, BUT I THINK THE COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS WANTING IS-- YOUR WORSHIP, TRADITIONALLY WE'VE HAD THE REPORT AND THE BYLAW IN THAT SAME MEETING.

THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE THAT FINAL BYLAW THAT WE USE THAT ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING IN JUST APPROVES IT. SO, IN ALL ACTUALITY, WE DON'T EVEN NEED THE BYLAW, WE JUST NEED TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT.

SO, TRADITIONALLY WE HAVE HAD THE OFFER COME TO COUNCIL, HAVE THE DISCUSSION LIVE AT COUNCIL AND THEN GET INTO THE BYLAW PORTION AND APPROVE THE BYLAW AFTER WE'VE APPROVED THE REPORT. MS. BRAY. SEEING YOUR WORSHIP TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

SO, WE TYPICALLY CAN'T PUT THE BYLAW ON THE SAME AGENDA THAT WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION BECAUSE THE BYLAW IS OPEN AND THEN IT'S PUBLIC.

I THINK WHAT--.

I AGREE WITH THAT, SO IT'S-- IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS STUFF IN CLOSED SESSION AND WE STILL-- WHEN IT COMES PRIOR TO THE BYLAW, IT'S GOT TO COME TO OPEN SESSION SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE A FRANK DISCUSSION IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE DOING THIS AND THE BYLAW CAN BE ON THAT SAME AGENDA JUST LATER ON IN THE SAME AGENDA. IT'S JUST WE'RE NOW GOT BYLAWS THAT AREN'T IN AN ACTUAL REPORT, AND A LOT OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC WON'T READ THE BYLAWS WITHOUT-- IF IT'S NOT IN THE REPORT, THEY'LL JUST ASSUME THAT THOSE BYLAWS ARE STUFF THAT WE'VE ALREADY DEALT WITH.

I THINK WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS LOOKING FOR IS, YES, WE DO THE PROCESS WITH THE CLOSED SESSION WE HAVE WITH THE NEGOTIATION AND PURCHASE AND SALE.

BUT HAVING A REPORT COME TO THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL MEETING ALONG WITH THE BYLAWS.

SO, WE WOULD HAVE HAD A 6.12 THAT SAID, HERE'S A REPORT WE'RE SELLING THIS PIECE OF

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PROPERTY TO X Y Z INC.

THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS. IT'S SUPER WICKED AWESOME.

COUNCIL ALL CHEERS AND THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT WE'VE DONE, AND THAT'S HOW THE NEWS GETS A HOLD OF THIS AS A GOOD NEWS STORY AND THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS, RATHER THAN SEEING THE BYLAW-- I DON'T THINK ANYONE THAT READS OUR AGENDAS GET INTO THE BYLAWS.

SO, JUST AS A FUTURE NOTE.

I THINK TRADITIONALLY YOUR WORSHIP, WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS PROBLEM.

WE DON'T SELL A LOT OF PROPERTY.

SO, THIS IS A GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE TONIGHT.

I AGREE, PERHAPS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, AS THE CLERK TYPICALLY TALKS ABOUT WHAT COMES OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.

MAYBE THAT'S A TIME TO PUT IN WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AND THAT THERE'S A BYLAW SUBSEQUENTLY OCCURRING IN THE MEETING. BUT AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T SOLD LOTS OF PROPERTY THROUGH THE YEARS.

SO AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS, IT'S A GOOD NEWS STORY.

SO LET'S GIVE IT A LITTLE BIT OF PRESS IF YOU CAN.

BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT THROUGH THE YEAR.

SO.

OK, I THINK WE HAVE A CLEAR DIRECTION.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOUR WORSHIP.

I GUESS MY CONCERN IS IF NOT EVERYONE IS IN AGREEMENT, WHAT HAPPENS THEN? LIKE WE'VE TARNISHED THE SALE.

LIKE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE SAYING, BUT IT'S NOT A SALE UNTIL THIS BYLAW IS VOTED ON, RIGHT? IT'S NOT AN AGREEMENT UNTIL WE PASS THE BYLAW.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DISCUSS IT BEFORE THAT.

[INAUDIBLE] I THINK WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS WANTING TO SEE IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME REPORT WE HAVE IN CLOSED SESSION, MAYBE DUMBED DOWN A BIT WITHOUT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE DETAILS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE PURCHASE AND SALE BYLAW JUST FOR COUNCIL TO REITERATE.

AND IT'S MORE FOR THE EDIFICATION OF THE PUBLIC WATCHING AND UNDERSTANDING THAT GOOD THINGS DO HAPPEN IN CLOSED SESSION AND WE DO TRY AND BRING IT TO THE OPEN.

WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY NOT STUFF LIKE THIS, AND NOBODY REALLY GETS INTO THE WEEDS OF THE BYLAW.

BUT-- DEFINITELY HAVING A REPORT COME FORWARD IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND COUNCILLOR MANN IS RIGHT, THIS HASN'T BEEN A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE PAST.

WE SOLD A HANDFUL OF PROPERTIES OVER THE YEAR AND WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SELL MORE IN THE NEXT MONTH THAN WE'VE SOLD IN THE PREVIOUS SEVEN YEARS.

SO, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE THE STUFF OUT THERE FOR THE KEVIN MCSHEFREY'S AND THE BRANT SLADE HOMES OF THE COMMUNITY.

THAT BEING SAID, ROLL CALL VOTE.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR MANN.

I'M IN FAVOR ALSO, CONGRATULATIONS GENTLEMEN, ON THIS PURCHASE.

15.6, BYLAW 22-07.

BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE AGREEMENT OF PURCHASE AND SALE BETWEEN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND LOCHLIN SCOTT FOR 17 TIMBER ROAD.

MOVER, PLEASE. MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

DEFINITELY, THIS ONE HAS A NAME ATTACHED TO IT AND AGAIN WELCOMING A NEW BUSINESS AND HOPEFULLY THEY FLOURISH IN THE COMMUNITY AND END UP HIRING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

DEFINITELY, MR. SCOTT HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE, SO GOOD STUFF.

ANY QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES, CONCERNS? COUNCILLOR PATRIE, JUST THE SAME COMMENT FROM PREVIOUS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S GOOD NEWS STORY LIKE THIS, IT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH IN OPEN SESSION.

OK. DULY NOTED.

ROLL CALL VOTE, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR TURNER.

FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

16, PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD.

[16. PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD]

NO QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA.

THERE WAS QUESTIONS SENT FOR THE BHP PORTION AND THOSE WERE FORWARDED TO BHP FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION. AND WE'RE AT THE CLOSED SESSION PORTION.

[17. CLOSED SESSION (if applicable)]

MOVER TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? SEEING NONE, ROLL CALL COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.