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BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THIS IS REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OF COUNCIL FOR THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE MONDAY, MARCH 28, 2022.AS PART OF THE ROLL CALL. ALL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCILLOR CYR AND COUNCILLOR PEARCE BOTH [INAUDIBLE].
I'D ASK IF THERE'S ANY DECLARATIONS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST AT THIS TIME.
ONCE, TWICE, THREE TIMES, THERE ARE NONE.
[4. ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES]
4 ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES.4.1 MARCH 14, 2022 [INAUDIBLE].
CAN I HAVE A MOVER TO ADOPT THE MINUTES? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
ANY QUESTIONS? QUALMS. QUERIES.
HEARING NONE. I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE AND ROLL CALL.
I'M IN FAVOR. THOSE ARE CARRIED.
NO PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING.
6 INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS.
[6. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS]
6.1 REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY AGREEMENT WITH NICKEL CITY COMMUNICATIONS/ RINGCENTRAL.JUST FOR THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING AT THE AGENDA, THERE HAD TO BE A LAST MINUTE ADJUSTMENT TO THE WORDING IN THE RECOMMENDATION.
RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DATED MARCH 22ND, 2022 BE RECEIVED.
AND THAT THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH RINGCENTRAL TO SUPPLY AVAYA CLOUD OFFICE UNIFIED COMMUNICATION CLOUD SOLUTION, AND THAT THE PROPOSAL FROM NICKELS CITY COMMUNICATIONS RINGCENTRAL WILL BE APPROVED AT $30,983.74 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES, AND THAT REQUIRED BY LAW PASSED FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THE WORK AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE. CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
MR. ANTUNEZ, YOU MIND WALKING US THROUGH THIS ONE, PLEASE.
TO YOU YOUR WORSHIP. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.
GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
PLEASURE TO BE HERE AS ALWAYS.
SHE WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENING, SO I WILL TRY MY BEST TO FILL HER SHOES AS BEST I CAN ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE.
SOME QUICK BACKGROUND THE CURRENT MITEL HYBRID PHONE SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE HERE AT CITY HALL WAS INSTALLED IN 2010 AND IS CERTAINLY BECOME OBSOLETE.
ANY ROUTINE ISSUES SUCH AS HANDSET MOVES, ADD-ONS, ANY CHANGES HAVE BECOME VERY DIFFICULT IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE.
AND MANY OF THE HANDSETS OR SEVERAL HANDSETS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY HAVE FAILED BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE SYSTEM AND ITS OBSOLESCENCE.
SUPPORT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO COME ACROSS AND WHEN WE CAN, IT'S COSTLY.
ONE OF THE LONG TERM ISSUES POTENTIALLY IS WITH A SYSTEM LIKE THIS, ANY DOWN ISSUES WITH LOSING SERVICE COULD POTENTIALLY BE LONG TERM BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF NOT HAVING REPLACEMENT UNITS AVAILABLE.
UPGRADING OF THE TELEPHONE SYSTEM HAS BEEN APPROVED IN CAPITAL BUDGETS SINCE 2018, SO IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ACQUIRING NEW PHONE SYSTEM, THERE'S A COMMITTEE FORMED CONSISTING OF THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT, MYSELF AND MR. GAGNON CAO.
AND IN FEBRUARY OF 2021, WE ISSUED A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION AS A MEANS OF TECHNICAL DISCOVERY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENED VERY MUCH IN THE INDUSTRY OVER THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS IS A LOT OF LEAPS AND BOUNDS CHANGES IN TELEPHONY TECHNOLOGY, THE DAYS OF WHAT'S SOMETIMES KNOWN AS AND I'M GOING TO GEEK OUT A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY, WHAT USED TO BE KNOWN AS A KICK SYSTEM, A COMPACT ICS SYSTEM, WHICH WAS THE MERIDIAN OR MITEL STYLE OF PHONE SYSTEM THAT LIVED IN A BACK CUPBOARD SOMEWHERE.
THE POWER OF THE SITE IS IS BECOMING OBSOLETE BECAUSE OF THE INCREASES IN BANDWIDTH MOVING OVER TO VOIP, WHICH IS VOICE OVER IP TECHNOLOGY, WHICH ESSENTIALLY ALLOWS US TO USE THE INTERNET FOR OUR TELECOMMUNICATIONS NEEDS.
ONE OF THE BIG ADVANTAGES TO THAT IS THAT THE NEED FOR AN IN-HOUSE SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE MARRIED TO FOR A LONG TERM HAS DISAPPEARED.
HAVING A CLOUD BASED SYSTEM ALLOWS US TO USE ALL THE ADVANTAGES OF THE INTERNET UPON MULTIPLE SITES, WHICH ESSENTIALLY LIMIT US TO THE HANDSET ON OUR DESKS.
BUT ALSO A CLOUD BASED SYSTEM TIES IN OUR MOBILE PHONES, OUR TABLETS, OUR DESKTOPS.
SO REALLY, WE NOW HAVE MULTIPLE CONDUITS TO OUR COMMUNICATION SYSTEM WITHOUT HAVING TO RELY JUST ON A PHYSICAL DESK.
I'M JUMPING A BIT IN THE REPORT HERE, BUT IF WE RECALL DURING THE PANDEMIC, WHEN FOLKS WERE REQUIRED TO WORK REMOTELY, THAT WREAKED HAVOC ON OUR INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY TEAM JUST BECAUSE OF HAVING TO FORWARD PHONES AND MOVE PHONES AND WHATNOT WITH OUR SYSTEM, WE
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DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.MOVING TO A CLOUD BASED SYSTEM ALLOWS FOR QUITE LITERALLY ANYONE NOT ONLY TO PICK UP THEIR PHONE FROM THEIR DESK AND PLUG IT INTO THEIR ROUTER AT HOME, OR HAVE THEIR MOBILE TELEPHONE HAVE THEIR SAME EXTENSION AS THEIR WORK PHONE OR LAPTOP, BUT THEY CAN TAKE HOME AND THE APPLICATION LIVES ON THERE.
SO WE DID REACH OUT TO MULTIPLE SUPPLIERS THROUGH THIS RFI PROCESS TO GET INFORMATION ON WHAT WAS AVAILABLE.
AND IT BECAME VERY CLEAR THAT BASED ON THE CITY'S NEEDS AND THE AMOUNT OF STAFF THAT ARE MOVING ALL OVER THE PLACE, THAT A CLOUD BASED SOLUTION WAS OUR BEST OPTION.
THE REQUEST DID GO TO ALL THESE GROUPS TO INCLUDE ITEMS SUCH AS REQUIREMENT FOR MOBILE STAFF AND POTENTIALLY THE TIE IN WITH PSAP FOR OUR FIRE.
ULTIMATELY IT HAD BEEN DECIDED PSAP INTEGRATION WAS NOT AN OPTION AT THE CURRENT TIME FOR THE MUNICIPALITY, BUT THE PROPONENT, WHICH WAS SELECTED THROUGH THE RFI AS A SERVICE, DID HAVE A TIE IN IN THE FUTURE SHOULD WE NEED TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE AND THE PSAP INTEGRATION IS SPECIFICALLY FOR OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES.
SOLUTIONS THAT WERE REVIEWED, SO IT WASN'T TIED INTO ONE SELECT PROVIDER.
WE DID REVIEW A VIA CLOUD OFFICE, UNISON CLOUD, PBX ROGERS FOR BUSINESS, ZOOM CLOUD SERVICE [INAUDIBLE] THINK 365, [INAUDIBLE] VOICE COMMUNICATION SYSTEM.
SO WE DID LOOK AT MULTIPLE SUPPLIERS.
WE THEN TURNED OUT, IT TURNED OUT THAT THE AVAYA CLOUD OFFICE BY RINGCENTRAL, WHICH IS USED IN MULTIPLE MUNICIPALITIES AND IS ALSO USED BY OUR COLLEAGUES AT ST JOSEPH GENERAL HOSPITAL HERE IN TOWN, THAT THAT WAS THE BEST SOLUTION FOR US.
AND IN TURN WE THEN WENT AND LOOKED AT PROVIDERS OF THIS SERVICE.
SO TO GIVE EVERYONE AN IDEA AND I'LL DRAW A BIT OF A PARALLEL TO THE RETAIL WORLD, YOU CAN GET A TELUS CELL PHONE THROUGH MULTIPLE SUPPLIERS.
SO WE DECIDED ON TELUS AS AN EXAMPLE OF ICLOUD OFFICE, BUT THEN THERE ARE MULTIPLE SUPPLIERS THAT CAN PROVIDE THAT IMPLEMENTATION FOR US AND THAT'S WHERE THE DECISION TO GO WITH AFTER REFERENCE CHECKS AND THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS TO GO WITH NICKEL CITY COMMUNICATION AS THE IMPLEMENTER VIA CLOUD OFFICE.
SO AGAIN, EASE OF USE WAS WAS ONE OF THE LARGE ONES AND THE LOWER COST OF IMPLEMENTATION ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS BY IT STAFF.
ROLLING THROUGH HERE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
ONE OF THE KEYS IS IN THE PROPOSAL THAT'S NOTED.
ALL THE HANDSETS BEING PROVIDED TO CITY HALL ARE BEING PROVIDED AT NO COST, WHICH IS A FANTASTIC FEATURE.
THE UPFRONT COST OF IMPLEMENTING THE SYSTEM IS VERY REASONABLE.
IT'S IT'S TIED TO A LIMITED TO AN IMPLEMENTATION FEE OF $6,027 PLUS SOME HARDWARE UNITS WHICH EQUAL ABOUT $606.
SOME OF THOSE ARE FOR ITEMS CALLED ATAS, WHICH ARE ANALOG TERMINAL ADAPTERS, WHICH IS WHAT ALLOWS ANALOG ITEMS LIKE OUR FAX MACHINES AND MANY OF OUR SYSTEMS TO CONNECT FROM AN ANALOG SIGNAL TO THIS DIGITAL SIGNAL.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF I LOST ANYONE WITH THAT, BUT MY, MY, MY TECH GEEKS COMING OUT AND THERE WILL BE A NEED TO RETAIN SOME [INAUDIBLE] LINES.
THERE ARE SOME WHAT'S KNOWN AS TWISTED PAIRS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR FUNDAMENTAL ITEMS, SUCH AS SOME ALARM SYSTEMS REQUIRE A TWISTED PAIR JUST AS A BACKUP AND TO COMMUNICATE OUT WITH THE OUTSIDE WORLD.
SO WE WILL BE SWITCHING THE WHOLE SERVICE FROM BELL TO THE AVAYA SYSTEM.
THIS IS WHERE ONE OF THE BIG ADVANTAGES COMES IN TO THIS THIS SYSTEM, OTHER THAN THE LACK OF NEEDING TO BUY PHYSICAL HARDWARE, WHICH USED TO NUMBER IN THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR THE COMPACT ICS SYSTEMS, THAT ALL GETS ELIMINATED.
SO WE ARE NOW WITH AN ANNUAL COST OF $24,350 FOR OUR SERVICE, WHICH IS VERSUS OUR CURRENT OUTLAY OF ROUGHLY $72,584.
SO THE MUNICIPALITY CAN EXPECT GOING FORWARD AN ANNUAL SAVINGS OF ABOUT $48,234, EXCLUDING ANY HARDWARE COSTS THAT COME OUT OVER TIME.
SO THAT'S THAT'S A LARGE SAVINGS TO THE MUNICIPALITY.
AGAIN, THE BUDGET FOR THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEM IN THE AMOUNT OF 150,000 FROM RESERVES WAS APPROVED IN 2018.
AND AGAIN, IMPLEMENTATION COSTS $24,350 AND THE ONE TIME FEE OF $6,027.
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SO I SEE A COUPLE OF EYES HAVE GLAZED OVER AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE MAY HAVE.GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GET THE THE IT SYSTEMS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR FOR A FEW YEARS AT SUCH A COST SAVING.
SO THAT'S A GOOD NEWS STORY [INAUDIBLE].
THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT. AND I DO BELIEVE I HAD COUNCILOR MAN'S HAND UP AT SOME POINT.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT, MR. ANTUNES. I'M ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF A DEJA VU FOR ME.
I'M DOING A PARALLEL PROCESS IN MY DAYTIME WORK RIGHT NOW.
ONE OF THE OTHER BENEFITS, OF COURSE, IS THE SOFTWARE DOESN'T GET OUTDATED BECAUSE IT'S ALL CLOUD BASED. SO THERE'S NO EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING TO SOFTWARE WON'T BECOME UPDATED.
THIS GETS UPDATED AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS, THE LAST TIME WE DID THIS IN 2010, THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BANDWIDTH THAT SOME OF OUR REMOTE LOCATIONS WASN'T GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT.
I'M ASSUMING NOW WITH SOME OF THE INTERNET UPGRADES WE'VE HAD IN THE MUNICIPALITY, THIS WILL NO LONGER BE AN ISSUE FOR WATER TREATMENT PLANT, SEWER TREATMENT PLANT, WHICH WERE ISSUES ORIGINALLY IN 2010.
THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR MANN, FOR THE QUESTION.
THROUGH WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM MRS. SCOTT AND MR. ELMORE, WHO ARE VERY INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AS WELL, THAT WASN'T BROUGHT UP AS A CONCERN. I KNOW WE DID DO SOME TESTING.
I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO NOT ONLY BE PART OF THE RFP TEAM OR [INAUDIBLE] TEAM EXCUSE ME, BUT SOME OF THE TESTING I TESTED THE PROCESS AND THE PROGRAM MYSELF AS WELL.
ONE OF THE ISSUES IS THAT THE EFFICIENCY OF THIS TYPE OF SYSTEM NOW, THE BANDWIDTH REQUIREMENTS HAVE HAVE BECOME VERY LIMITED.
THE PIPE REQUIREMENT IS A LOT SMALLER.
AND ONE THING I DID OMIT TO MENTION, I APOLOGIZE, WAS COUNCILLOR MANN WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE ADVANTAGE OF THE UPGRADES IN SOFTWARE AND THE CHANGE.
THE OTHER THING IS IT DOESN'T TIE US TO ONE SYSTEM.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE FOLKS AT AVAYA CLOUD OFFICE, OUR COST AND OUR BUY INTO THE SYSTEM IS VERY LIMITED.
SO THREE YEARS FROM NOW, THIS IS A THREE YEAR TERM.
THAT'S A CONTRACT WITH AVAYA 36 MONTHS FROM NOW.
WE'RE NOT BEHOLDEN BECAUSE OF A LARGE CAPITAL INVESTMENT IN EQUIPMENT.
THREE YEARS FROM NOW, WE CAN TURN AROUND IF WE DON'T LIKE IT AND JUST SWITCH.
AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF SWITCHING OUT HANDSETS, WHICH AS YOU SEE IN THE REPORT, WERE FREE ANYWAY. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY BEHOLDEN TO TO A SUPPLIER AT THAT POINT.
THANK YOU WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
MR. ANTUNES JUST ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS.
I WANTED TO KNOW THE DURATION OF THIS CONTRACT.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS OF THE SIX OR SEVEN SUPPLIERS THAT DID BID.
WHERE DOES THIS SUPPLIER ACTUALLY SIT FINANCIALLY IN THE NUMBERS? THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
DO YOU MEAN AS FAR AS AS THE PRICE THAT THEY QUOTED COUNCILLOR PATRIE? YEAH. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REPORT THAT SHOWS WHAT THOSE RFI'S CAME BACK AS.
SO STAFF IS PICKING WHAT THEY WANT TO PICK.
BUT WHERE DOES THAT $24,000 SIT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS OF ALL SEVEN SUPPLIERS.
THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP. THE $24,350 WAS ACTUALLY ALL THROUGH AVAYA.
SO THE AVAYA COST FOR THE SERVICE, THEY ARE VERY COMPETITIVE IN PRICE AND OFFERING.
AND WHEN WE HAD GONE THROUGH AND EVALUATED THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICES, AVAYA WAS THE ONE THAT REALLY OFFERED TICKED ALL THE BOXES AS FAR AS WHAT THEY COULD OFFER.
NONE OF THE OTHER SUPPLIERS WHERE WE DID THE RFI PORTION OF IT WERE AN OPTION FOR THE MUNICIPALITY AS FAR AS THEIR SERVICE OFFERINGS.
SO REALLY, AVAYA WAS ONE OF OUR ONLY CHOICES AS A PLATFORM.
THE OTHER ONES DIDN'T REALLY, FOR EXAMPLE.
ROGERS THE OPTION THAT CAME THROUGH FROM ROGERS WAS COMPLETELY CELLULAR BASED.
SO WE LOST A LOT FROM THE EFFICACY INSIDE THE BUILDING.
SOME OF THE OTHER ONES REQUIRED SOME HARDWARE.
SOME OF THE PBX ONES REQUIRED SOME HARDWARE.
OTHER ONES REQUIRED LARGE CHANGES IN HARDWARE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THE OTHER ONES WERE MUCH MORE COSTLY THAN THAN THE AVAYA ONE.
BUT AS FAR AS CHOOSING NICKEL CITY, THAT WAS DONE ON A COMPETITIVE PROCESS FROM ALL AVAYA VENDORS THAT REPLIED BACK TO AN RFP AND THEY WERE ALL VERY SIMILAR IN PRICE.
NICKEL CITY GOT WEIGHTED A LITTLE MORE HEAVILY BECAUSE OF THEIR PROXIMITY TO US HERE AND MULTIPLE OTHER CLIENTS IN THE CITY.
SO ON A SERVICE STANDPOINT, THEY ACTUALLY STOOD OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO I HOPE I HOPE THAT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY SAT FINANCIALLY IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS.
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WHERE ABOUTS IN THE SCALE FINANCIALLY DID THEY LAND? DID AVAYA LAND IS COMPARED.HONESTLY, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK THE NUMBERS.
I DO KNOW THAT THE OTHER ONES WERE MORE COSTLY THAN AVAYA, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS IN FRONT OF US.
SO ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THIS IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE OPTION? FROM WHAT? I'M NOT ASKING WHAT THE NUMBERS OF THE SEVEN COMPONENTS ARE.
I'M ASKING, WHERE DID THEY SIT? ARE THEY NUMBER ONE OR ARE THEY NUMBER SIX I'M SORRY, COUNCILLOR PATRIE FROM WHAT I RECALL, THEY WERE THE LEAST COSTLY OPTION OF THE OFFERINGS THAT WOULD WORK.
ROGERS MAY HAVE BEEN SLIGHTLY LESS COSTLY, BUT THEY WEREN'T AN OPTION ONCE WE WENT THROUGH THE RFI JUST BECAUSE WE COULDN'T USE THAT AS AN OPTION, BUT AS HOSTED ON SITE SUPPLIERS, THEY WERE THE LEAST COSTLY FROM WHAT I RECALL.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS SIDE? OKAY. THEN I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL.
STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR MANN IN FAVOR.
6.2 MEMO FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RE SALE OF RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
I GUESS THE MOTION WOULD BE FOR A MOVER TO APPROVE THE SALE TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT OF PURCHASE AND SALE FOR 19 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
DO I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
I UNDERSTAND MORE DETAILS LAID OUT IN BYLAW 15.3 BYLAW 22-21 WHICH WOULD BE THE OVERALL CONTRACT FOR PURCHASE AND SALE.
MR. ANTUNES, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. THIS IS TO REQUEST THE COUNCIL COME UP BEFORE.
TYPICALLY A PURCHASE AND SALE WERE BROUGHT UP AS BYLAWS.
BUT THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL TO HAVE INFORMATION ATTACHED EARLIER ON IN THE MEETING. SO IT WASN'T JUST A BYLAW LATER ON IN IN THE COUNCIL AGENDA.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROCESSES THAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
SO STAFF HAS PREPARED AN AGREEMENT, PURCHASE AND SALE FOR 19 RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THE LISTING OF LOTS ARE AS FOLLOWS THE LION'S SHARE OF THE LOTS ARE ON MCLAREN CRESCENT IN ST CAMILLUS CRESCENT WITH TWO OTHER INFILL LOTS ON TAYLOR BOULEVARD, AS IS STANDARD WITH MUNICIPAL SALES.
WE DID PLACE COVENANTS ON THE SALES TO PROTECT THE CITY, THE TIME COVENANTS BEEN PUT IN PLACE TO AVOID SPECULATIVE BUYING AND ALSO AN ASSURANCE THAT HOUSING STOCK WILL BE ADDED TO THE MUNICIPALITY.
THE AGREEMENT OUTLINES THAT THERE MUST BE TWO MODEL HOMES COMPLETED BY SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2023, AND THE BALANCE OF THE HOMES WILL BE COMPLETED WITHIN 40 MONTHS OF CLOSING.
FURTHER, THERE'S A MINIMUM DWELLING SIZE OF 1200 SQUARE FEET REQUIRED, AND IF THESE CONDITIONS ARE NOT MET, THE MUNICIPALITY HAS THE OPTION OF REPURCHASING THE LANDS AT 80% OF THE PURCHASE PRICE.
AND SPEAKING WITH THE PROPONENT, THE HOMES WILL VARY IN DESIGN BASED ON CUSTOMER DESIRE AND WILL BE CONSTRUCTED BY [INAUDIBLE] REGISTERED BUILDER TO PROTECT THE PURCHASER.
THE PURCHASER OF THE LOTS HAS ALSO EXPRESSED THAT IT PREFERS TO WORK WITH BUYERS TO BUILD TO SUIT AS OPPOSED TO PRE BUILDING ASSUMING WHAT PEOPLE WILL WANT.
SO THERE'S THE OPTION OF WORKING TO CUSTOMIZE THE HOMES A LITTLE BIT.
SO COUNCIL DID AGREE IN CLOSED SESSION AND DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE THE ATTACHED AGREEMENT, PURCHASE AND SALE AND THE BYLAW.
THE PURCHASE PRICE IS $450,000 AND AS MENTIONED, EACH LOT WILL HAVE THE SAME COVENANT REGISTERED ON TITLE.
THE AGREEMENT IS ATTACHED TO THE REPORT AND THE HOMES WILL BE A WELCOME ADDITION EXCUSE ME TO THE COMMUNITY AS WE'RE SORELY LACKING IN HOUSING INVENTORY.
SO IT'S CERTAINLY A NICE START.
SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE.
DEFINITELY A GOOD NEWS STORY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
QUESTION I HAVE THOUGH FEW INDIVIDUALS HAVE REACHED OUT TODAY.
WILL WE SEE WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS ADDITIONAL LOTS IDENTIFIED THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR LOCAL CONTRACTORS TO PURCHASE TO MOVE ON WITH YEARLY PROJECTS? YES, SIR. YOUR WORSHIP, THE SALE OF THESE LOTS GREATLY ADVANCED THE NEED TO HAVE OTHER INFILL LOTS IN TOWN.
SO STAFF ARE WORKING WITH A FEW DEPARTMENTS INTERNALLY AND SOME OF OUR EXTERNAL ASSOCIATES TO PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE OF OTHER LOTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE IN TOWN AND THOSE THAT AREN'T DECLARED SURPLUS.
WE WOULD BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL TO ENSURE THAT THEY ALL ARE DECLARED SURPLUS, BUT WE'D LIKE TO PUT TOGETHER A PROFESSIONAL OFFERING FOR ANY OTHER BUILDERS IN TOWN.
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WE WERE WAITING TO HAVE THESE THE PURCHASE AND SALE COME THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T OVER FLOODING WITH STOCK AVAILABLE, BUT THESE WEREN'T ALL EXPECTED TO GO AT THE SAME TIME. BUT AS THEY ARE NOW, WE'RE CERTAINLY WORKING ON THAT FOR OTHER CONTRACTORS THAT CHOOSE TO BUILD HERE IN TOWN.PERFECT. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO HEAR.
THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU, MR. ANTUNES. YOU SAY THAT THERE ARE OTHER LOTS COMING AVAILABLE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER SERVICE LOTS AVAILABLE? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO.
THERE WAS SOME LOTS OF AVAILABLE AND LISTED, BUT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH INFORMATION PUT TOGETHER. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE OF LOTS.
THERE DO APPEAR TO BE SOME WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME DIGGING.
THERE DO APPEAR TO BE SOME LOTS THAT ARE IN SERVICED AREAS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY WERE FALLEN BY THE WAYSIDE AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT TOGETHER.
SO I'M ASKING SPECIFICALLY, ARE THEY SERVICED LOTS.
I KNOW THERE'S LOTS OF LAND THAT'S IN SERVICED AREAS.
AND HOW MANY WOULD THERE BE? I DON'T KNOW.
AS I CAN SEE NOW FROM AN INITIAL LOOK, I SEE 4 TO 5.
BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING TO TRY AND FIND OUT WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN THE MUNICIPALITY. OKAY.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS GOING THROUGH THE WAY THAT IT IS WRITTEN.
IT'S GOING TO OPEN A BIG CAN OF WORMS. SO WE'RE WILLING TO SELL OUR LAST [INAUDIBLE] REMAINING LOTS.
THIS IS THE FIRST I HEAR THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE MORE LOTS.
WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THIS WAS OUR THE LAST OF OUR LOTS THAT WE HAD.
I DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME OTHER VACANT LAND, BUT NOT SERVICE LOTS.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE YET.
BUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A FOUR YEAR COVENANT ONTO THE 19 REMAINING LOTS I THINK IS VERY DIRE.
IT'S A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE HERE.
WE WE HAVE BEEN SELLING OUR PROPERTIES AND FORCING PEOPLE TO BUILD WITHIN TWO YEARS.
IF THEY DIDN'T BUILD WITHIN TWO YEARS, THEY HAD TO PAY A FEE TO EXTEND.
AND WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO GIVE THIS GENTLEMAN FOUR YEARS TO BUILD THESE PROPERTIES. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.
WE'RE IN A HOUSING BOOM OR IN A REAL ESTATE BOOM.
WE HAVE NO HOUSING AVAILABLE IN OUR MUNICIPALITY.
WE NEED TO GET PROPERTIES BUILT NOW, NOT IN FOUR YEARS.
THE FACT THAT HE ONLY WANTS TO BUILD TWO MODEL HOMES IN TWO YEARS WOULD ONLY LEAVE HIM TWO YEARS TO SELL AND BUILD THE ADDITIONAL 17 LOTS.
I'M SORRY, BUT I CAN'T SEE THAT IN ANY OTHER WAY.
AND BEYOND THAT, SINCE THIS REPORT HAS COME OUT AGAIN, FIRST PUBLIC REPORT ABOUT THE 19 LOTS. I'VE HAD THREE CONTRACTORS COME TO ME THAT HAVE FULL AND HAD FULL INTENTIONS OF COMING TO THE MUNICIPALITY TO PURCHASE LOTS TO BUILD THIS YEAR.
AND THOSE 19 LOTS ARE NOW GONE.
SO IF YOU ONLY HAVE FOUR LOTS COMING UP AND I DON'T KNOW IF FOUR LOTS THAT OUR SERVICE I'M SORRY I APOLOGIZE BUT.
THE THREE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO TAKES MORE THAN FOUR LOTS THAT WANT TO BUILD THIS YEAR. I JUST I CANNOT AGREE TO A FOUR YEAR COVENANT.
IF THIS GENTLEMAN WANTS TO BUY THESE 19 LOTS, BUILD THE 19 HOMES, GET 19 NEW BUILDS ON OUR TAX ROLL.
I'D LOVE THE GUY. BUT THE PROBLEM ASKING FOR A FOUR YEAR COVENANT JUST DOESN'T WORK WHEN ALL OF THESE YEARS. THE LAST ALMOST 20 YEARS WE HAVE MADE EVERYBODY BUILD WITHIN A TWO YEAR PERIOD. EVEN WATER ACCESS HAD TO BUILD WITHIN A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
SO I JUST DON'T AGREE TO THIS COMING FORWARD THE WAY THAT IT IS.
MR. DANIEL. JUST A FOOTNOTE THAT WHEN WE SAY SERVICE LOTS, WE HAVE A LOT OF SERVICE LAND DIVIDING THE LOTS BECOMES MORE OF A PLANNING EXERCISE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
IT'S NOT A PHYSICAL SERVICE IN QUESTION, SO WE HAVE POTENTIAL TO MOVE MORE LOTS INTO INVENTORY IN THE RELATIVELY NEAR FUTURE.
AND NONE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ANY DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN CLOSED SESSION.
I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL HAS THEIR THEIR SOBER SECOND THOUGHT AND CAN STILL VOTE AND OPEN.
I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND RESPECT THAT.
BUT NONE OF THIS HAS CHANGED FROM THE CONVERSATION WE HAD CLOSED SESSION.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN MY OPINION.
I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF A FOUR YEAR COVENANT THEN EITHER.
THANK YOU. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS A FEW SERVICE LOCKS ON FOREST PLACE.
STILL A FEW SERVICE LOTS ON [INAUDIBLE].
WE KNOW SENATORS COMPLETELY SERVICE.
AND THE END OF [INAUDIBLE] NORTH NEAR [INAUDIBLE] HAD ABOUT TEN LOTS AVAILABLE.
NOT SURE IF THEY'RE FULLY SERVICE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MR. ANTUNES JOB WORKING WITH MR.
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HALLOCH AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS TO BRING BACK A REPORT ASAP FOR LOCAL DEVELOPERS.MR. ANTUNES, YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION.
THANK YOU. JUST TO CLARIFY THE POINT OF THE FOUR YEAR COVENANT, THE PROPONENTS FOR YOUR COVENANT QUESTION WAS JUST, YES, WE DO PUT A TWO YEAR COVENANT ON BUILDS OF ONE OFFS.
HIS GOAL AND HIS INTENTION CERTAINLY IS TO GET IT DONE SOONER.
BUT THE TIME TO BUILD 19 HOMES IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY A LOT FOR ONE PERSON BUILDING ONE OR TWO LOTS.
SO THAT'S TYPICALLY AND THAT WAS THE REASONING FOR STAFF PRESENTING THE FOUR YEAR IN DISCUSSION WITH THE PROPONENT.
HIS ULTIMATE GOAL IS OBVIOUSLY TO BUILD THEM AND SELL THEM AS QUICKLY AS HE CAN SO HE CAN GET HIS MONEY BACK OUT OF IT.
BUT THE FOUR YEAR TERM WAS JUST BECAUSE IT IS 19 LOTS AND THE TIME REQUIRED TO BUILD.
AND AS MENTIONED, ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS HE WANTS TO BUILD BASED ON CUSTOMER DEMAND.
SO THAT'S WHY THE EXTRA CUSHION FOR TIME AS OPPOSED TO JUST KNOCKING OFF 19 PREFAB OR NOT PREFAB EXCUSE ME PRE DESIGNED OPTIONS.
SO JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT LITTLE BIT OF INFO AS WELL.
I HAVE COUNCILLOR FINAMORE UP NEXT AND THEN BACK TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
AS LONG AS I'VE SAT ON COUNCIL, WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME FORWARD AND WANTED ONE LOT AND THEN ANOTHER LOT.
BUT NOTHING HAS COME TO FRUITION IN THIS AREA EXCEPT FOR THE TWO LOTS I THINK THAT WE SOLD ON ST MCCLURE ST CAMILLUS A FEW YEARS AGO AND A COUPLE OTHER ONE OFFS HERE AND THERE. AND I WELCOME THIS GENTLEMAN TO THE COMMUNITY TO BUILD THESE 19 HOMES.
I KNOW THAT WE ARE IN A HOUSING CRISIS AND IF WE DON'T SELL LOTS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING BUILT. THIS GENTLEMAN'S FOLLOWED THE RIGHT PROCESS CAME FORWARD WITH THE RIGHT DOCUMENTS, AND I THINK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FOLLOW THROUGH AND LET THE BUILDING BEGIN. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SO THIS GENTLEMAN IS BUILDING TWO HOMES.
NOT A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT HOMES.
HE'S GOT TWO MODELS TO CHOOSE FROM.
YES, THE INTERIORS WILL BE DIFFERENT.
BUT HE'S NOT BUILDING 19 DIFFERENT STYLES OF HOMES.
AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BUILDING DEVELOPER THAT GOES IN AND DOES A SUBDIVISION, THAT IS TRADITIONALLY HOW THEY DO IT.
THEY WILL SAY, THESE ARE THE MODEL HOMES AND YOU BUY THEM ON SPEC BEFORE THEY'RE BUILT.
I'M QUESTIONING THE FACT THAT WE'RE GIVING HIM FOUR YEARS TO DO THIS.
SO THAT'S GIVING HIM ALL OF THIS TIME WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO RECEIVE TAXATION ON BUILT DWELLINGS WHEN WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE COMING FORWARD TO ASK TO BUILD.
SO TRADITIONALLY, WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND FROM THE SOUNDS OF THE REPORT, HE'S NOT THE DEVELOPER, HE'S GOING TO BRING IN A [INAUDIBLE] DEVELOPER.
HE'S JUST THE PROPONENT BUYING IT AND DOING THE DEAL.
SO. WHEN THEY COME IN AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD TWO MODEL HOMES, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD SOME KIND OF SEVEN.
ALL 19, BECAUSE THOSE TWO MODEL HOMES WILL EVENTUALLY BE SOLD.
BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO STYLES OF HOMES IN THESE 19 LOTS, WHICH IS NOT HARD TO DO TO SELL THEM. SO IF THE ASPECT IS IF YOU CAN ONLY SELL TEN.
WE'RE GOING TO END UP GETTING THE OTHER NINE BACK IN FOUR YEARS AND NOT RECEIVE THE TAXATION. I JUST I DON'T WANT TO TIE UP 19 LOTS FOR FOUR YEARS.
I JUST I DON'T AGREE WITH THIS.
WE'VE ALWAYS PUSHED A TWO YEAR COVENANT.
I'M SORRY, MR. ANTUNES, BUT WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN, THE WAY THEY MAKE MONEY IS THEY BRING FOUNDATION CREW AND THEY PUT ALL THE FOUNDATIONS IN TOGETHER.
THEY BRING IN A WIRING CREW, DO ALL THE ELECTRICAL, DO ALL THE PLUMBING, DO ALL THE FRAMING. THIS IS ALL DONE TO SAVE MONEY THE SAME WAY THAT THE NEW SUBDIVISIONS WERE BUILT. SO IT'S AN ECONOMY OF SCALE WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING THIS WAY.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE WAITING FOUR YEARS TO CREATE THAT TAXATION.
THIS GENTLEMAN HAS THE WHEREWITHAL TO COME IN AND HAVE A DEVELOPER AND BUILD THESE 19 LOTS. HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD THEM, START FRAMING THEM, AND THEY START SELLING THEM AS THEY'RE BUILT. I THINK MR. ANTUNES ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.
YES SIR, YOUR WORSHIP THANK YOU AND SORRY COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
IF I MISSPOKE WITH THE DESCRIPTION OF MODEL HOMES, THE GENTLEMAN AND THE PROPONENTS DESCRIPTION OF A MODEL HOME IS NOT TO BUILD.
19 VERSIONS OF THE SAME TWO HOMES.
WHEN HE'S REFERRING TO THEM AS MODEL HOMES, HE'S BUILDING THEM SO PEOPLE SEE THE QUALITY OF THE BUILD, THE STYLE OF THE BUILD AND THE UNITS.
HIS DISCUSSIONS WITH ME HAVE NEVER BEEN TO BUILD 19 OR SORRY, TAKE AWAY THE 217, BUILD EIGHT AND NINE OF OF THE SAME TWO MODELS OR A VERSION THEREOF.
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HIS DESCRIPTION OF A MODEL HOME WAS TO SET A LEVEL OF EXPECTATION FOR BUYERS OF THE FINISH AND THE TYPE OF HOME, NOT COOKIE CUTTER HOMES LIKE WE HAVE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THEY'RE JUST FOUR OF THE SAME MODELS.SO THAT THAT WAS I APOLOGIZE IF I WASN'T CLEAR WITH WHAT HIS DESCRIPTION OF A MODEL HOME IS. HIS MODEL HOME IS A REPRESENTATION OF WHAT HE'S CHOOSING TO BUILD IS AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO ME. COUNCILLOR TURNER.
THANK YOU WORSHIP. JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT, AS YOU POINTED OUT, THERE ARE STILL QUITE A NUMBER OF SERVICE LOTS AVAILABLE IN THE CITY.
YOU CAN ADD THE [INAUDIBLE] DONATIONS AREA TO YOUR LIST THERE.
SO I'M QUITE SURPRISED THAT SUDDENLY BUILDERS ARE SHOWING UP SAYING THEIR INTERESTED IN BUILDING HOUSES.
THESE LOTS HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED ON OUR WEBSITE AND TALKED ABOUT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS ANYWAYS. AND SUDDENLY THE DAY THE COUNCIL GOES TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT, THEY'RE KNOCKING ON COUNCILORS DOOR SAYING, HEY, WHAT ABOUT ME? I REALLY HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT ONE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT THIS COMPANY IS NOT PASSING IT ON TO THE DEVELOPER.
WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE BRINGING IN A TERRAIN BUILDER.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, AS WE STEP INTO APRIL, THE DEVELOPER AND BUILDER REALLY HAVE 18 MONTHS TO GET THIS JOB DONE IN ORDER TO HAVE IT ALL DONE WITHIN THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD.
SO. I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IT WOULD TAKE THAT AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET THE FIRST TWO BUILDINGS UP. AND AS THEY'RE GOING UP, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THE COMPANY WILL BE QUITE ACTIVE IN TRYING TO SELL THE NEXT ONES.
IF THEY DON'T WELL, COUNCILLOR PATRIE POINTED OUT, WE TAKE THEM BACK FOR 80%.
AND WE SELL THEM TO ALL THESE BUILDERS WHO ARE LINED UP LOOKING FOR PROPERTIES.
I DON'T THINK WE LOSE TOO BADLY HERE.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT A TWO YEAR COVENANT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IDEAL FOR THE MUNICIPALITY.
BUT I GUESS CONSIDERING THE SCALE OF THE SALE AS WELL AS THE CURRENT STATE OF CONSTRUCTION IN ELLIOT LAKE, IN THE PROVINCE, IN THE COUNTRY WHERE WE ARE STILL NOT BACK AT 100% OF AVAILABLE BUILDING MATERIALS, I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT FOUR YEARS IS IS BEYOND REASONABLE CONSIDERING WHERE WE ARE.
COUNCILLOR TURNER'S POINT ABOUT WE'RE APRIL, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET BUILDING AT ALL, THEN I THINK WE DO NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS.
IF THERE ARE LOCAL PROPONENTS THAT ARE CONTINUING INTEREST IN BUILDING HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT'S GREAT.
I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO SEE A NEW SUBDIVISION BUILT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE QUITE THERE YET.
SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH SALES OF INDEPENDENT LOTS AND THEN BUILDING ACCORDINGLY.
SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION PROVIDED TO COUNCIL ON THIS.
THERE'S BEEN DUE DILIGENCE ABOUT PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE IN THE PROVINCE.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT INFORMATION.
SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT.
AND AGAIN, I THINK BASED ON MR. ANTUNES COMMENTS, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL LOTS STILL AVAILABLE AND ONCE THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, I'M SURE THE STAFF WILL BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE MARKET AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE BACK HAVING ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS IN THE NEAR FUTURE ABOUT POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL SALES.
THANK YOU. FINAL COMMENT, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
I'VE HAD PROPONENTS AND COUNCILLOR TURNER, I'M NOT LYING.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE CONTACTED ME.
THE ISSUE IS AND STAFF SHOULD BE ABLE TO VERIFY THIS.
THERE'S PEOPLE CONTACTING CITY HALL, ASKING TO BUY LOTS AND BEING TOLD THEY'RE NOT AVAILABLE. ALL NATIONS IS NOT AVAILABLE.
SO YOU CAN'T JUST BE SAYING THINGS.
IF STAFF IS TELLING DEVELOPERS THAT THIS IS ALL WE HAVE.
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THIS IS ALL WE HAVE. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE SAY IN THIS MEETING.IF THE PROPONENTS ARE BEING TOLD THAT, THEY'RE BEING TOLD THAT.
I RECOMMEND IF IF HE WANTS TO BUY SOME BUY HALF OF THEM, IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE HIM FOUR YEARS TO BUILD IT, DON'T BUY ALL 19.
LET'S LET'S NOT GIVE A FOUR YEAR COVENANT IS MY PROBLEM.
THE MARKET MIGHT BE GONE IN FOUR YEARS.
BUT THE THING IS, IS IF WE DON'T BUILD THEM, IF WE CAN BUILD THEM WITHIN TWO YEARS AS OPPOSED TO FOUR YEARS, THAT'S TAX REVENUE.
THAT'S BUDGETING MONEY THAT WE REQUIRE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING ON THEM.
I DON'T CARE THAT WE GET TO GET THEM BACK AND ONLY HAVE TO LOSE 20% OF THE VALUE THEY'LL PROBABLY BE WORTH MORE IN FOUR YEARS.
BUT THE ISSUE IS I WANT THE TAXATION.
I WANT THE TAXATION NOW, THAT'S MY ISSUE.
I DON'T WANT TO WAIT THE FOUR YEARS WHEN EVERYBODY IS NOT EVERYBODY.
THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO, I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY HAS BEEN TOLD THAT.
BUT SPECIFICALLY, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT ALL NATIONS WAS SPECIFIC, NOT AVAILABLE.
NOTHING IS AVAILABLE. EVERYTHING IS SOLD.
SO I CAN ONLY GO BY WHAT WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE.
AND BASED ON THAT, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN SELLING EVERY PIECE OF INVENTORY WE HAVE TO SIT FOR FOUR YEARS. JUST FOR CLARITY.
THERE'S THREE SERVICE LOTS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM MY HOUSE ON FOREST PLACE THAT ARE VACANT, STILL OPEN. I KNOW THERE'S STILL LOTS OF [INAUDIBLE].
I'M GOING TO SAY THE LAST SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS SITTING ON COUNCIL.
WE'VE SOLD LESS THAN A DOZEN RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN THAT WHOLE TIME, SO THIS WOULD FAR SURPASS THAT ALL IN ONE BOAT.
WE'VE SOLD QUITE A FEW COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES OVER THAT TIME, BUT THIS IS BY FAR THE LARGEST. AND I DO KNOW, LIKE I SAID, RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME, THERE'S THREE VACANT LOTS THAT ARE SERVICED AND THEY CAN SIT IN VACANT LOT FOR A FEW YEARS NOW.
MR. ANTUNES HAS TO DO THE JOB OF BRINGING REPORT TO COUNCIL TO DECLARE THEM SURPLUS AND ENSURING WITH PUBLIC WORKS THAT THE ONES ON [INAUDIBLE] ALSO SERVICED AT THE END THERE.
DRIVING AROUND TODAY, I'VE SEEN THEM AND I HAVE GOTTEN THE SAME CALLS AS COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SO THAT'S WHY I STARTED LOOKING INTO IT FIRST THIS MORNING TO SEE WHAT WAS AROUND TOWN. THAT BEING SAID, ARE WE OPEN FOR BUSINESS? I'M GOING TO SAY HELL YEAH, WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
AND LET'S SEE, THE COMMUNITY CAN CONTINUE DEVELOPING.
AND I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR TURNER.
IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR MANN IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU. 6.3 REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM BRIDGE FUNDING RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BE RECEIVED FROM THAT COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY FUNDING TO THE COUNSELING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA IN THE AMOUNT OF 7,002.92 FOR THE COST OF THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM, SOCIAL WORKER AND THE COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO DIRECT FUNDS FROM THE WORKING FUNDS RESERVE.
CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.
MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP RELATIVELY SHORT ONE HERE.
THE MUNICIPALITY HAS A MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM PROJECT.
THE MCRT WAS INITIATED IN AUGUST 2020 AND THE GRANT FUNDING THAT COMES THROUGH IS A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, THE OPP AND CCEA, WHICH IS A COUNSELING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THE WORK THAT THIS PROJECT DOES AND WORKER DOES IN THE COMMUNITY.
THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM MEMBER RIDES WITH THE OPP TO INCIDENTS AND SERVES AS A COUNSELING ISSUE AT TIMES.
OTHERWISE MIGHT BE PUT INTO THE POLICING SYSTEM, INTO FINDING THE RIGHT SOCIAL SERVICE THAT MIGHT HELP THEM.
A PERSON IN CRISIS NOT ALWAYS IS BEST SERVED BY THE BY FALLING INTO THE POLICE SYSTEM.
ALSO, ANOTHER BIG PART OF THEIR JOB IS TO DEAL WITH THE VICTIMS, DEAL WITH THE AFTERMATH OF CRIME AND PEOPLE IN CRISIS, EVEN TO THE POINT WHERE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT THAT MAY BE HAVING ISSUES WITH COPING WITH THAT ARE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE MCRT WORKER.
SO IT'S A VERY VALUABLE POSITION WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY AND WITHIN OUR POLICING SERVICE.
THERE WAS A GRANT, AS MENTIONED, THAT WAS BROUGHT BACK IN 2020 THAT WOULD [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE FROM 2022 ALL THE WAY TILL THE END OF MARCH IN 2025.
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SO A THREE YEAR TERM IN THE SPEED OF SALE.AGAIN, THE MINISTRY OF THE SOLICITOR GENERAL.
THE NEW GRANT IS SUPPOSED TO START APRIL 1ST, BUT THEY HAVE TOLD US THAT RESPONSES WILL COME SOMETIME LATE IN MARCH.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM MEMBER THROUGH THE OPP AND OUR PARTNERS THROUGH CCEA THAT DON'T NO WE DON'T HAVE A WRITTEN AGREEMENT THAT SAYS IT'S GOING TO CARRY ON AND WE'RE KIND OF IN LIMBO AND WE'VE GOT A VERY VALUABLE MEMBER OF THE TEAM OVER THERE, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE FLOATING. SO WE ARE LOOKING TO PUT A COMMITMENT FOR IT THAT IF THE GRANT DOES NOT COME THROUGH BY THE END OF THE MONTH OR WITHIN THE FIRST FEW DAYS INTO APRIL, THAT THE MUNICIPALITY WILL BRIDGE FINANCE THE THE MONTHLY AMOUNT, WHICH IS $7,292.
AND THEN ONCE THE GRANT COMES THROUGH IN APRIL, THE MUNICIPALITY WOULD CLAIM BACK THAT $7,292.
WORST CASE SCENARIO, FOR WHATEVER REASON, BECAUSE NOTHING IS EVER FOR SURE IN THIS LIFE WE GET TURNED DOWN FOR THE GRANT STAFF WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND ADVISE COUNCIL OF THAT. AND THE DOWNSIDE OF THIS IS POTENTIALLY COUNCIL COULD EAT THE $7,292 OR THE CITY COULD EAT THE $7,292 FOR THE MONTH OF APRIL.
NOT VERY LIKELY THE GRANT MONIES HAVE BEEN ALLOTTED TO THE MUNICIPALITY, BUT AS I SAID, YOU CAN NEVER SAY NEVER.
SO MY JOB IS TO PRESENT COUNCIL BOTH THE UP AND THE DOWN SIDE.
WE POTENTIALLY COULD BE OUT $7,292 IN APRIL IF WE DO NOT GET FUNDED.
SO AGAIN, JUST A BRIDGE ALL GOING WELL, THE GRANT GETS APPROVED, WE GET OUR CHECK THAT GOES THROUGH. WE JUST TAKE OUR $7,292 BACK IF NECESSARY, TRY TO BE A LITTLE BIT BRIEF BECAUSE YOU'RE TIRED OF HEARING ME TALK TONIGHT, SO I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. I THINK MR. ANTUNES VERY MUCH APPRECIATED.
THIS IS DEFINITELY A VALUE PROGRAM RUNNING MUNICIPALITY AND I HATE TO SEE THEM SUFFER AT ALL. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING.
IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN AND WHERE.
BUT THROUGH THE PROGRAM WE'VE DEFINITELY BEEN ABLE TO SEE A LOT OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS HELPED DEFINITELY THROUGH THE PANDEMIC WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES.
THANK YOU MR. MAYOR THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST, ABSOLUTE BEST PROJECTS THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS WORKED ON IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.
WE HAVE DIVERSION FROM THE JUSTICE SYSTEM TO THE HEALTH SYSTEM.
WE'RE DEALING WITH IN A LOT OF CASES, PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND PUTTING THEM IN JAIL IS NOT THE ANSWER.
YOU MAY KNOW THAT JUST FROM LOOKING AT OUR PROVINCIAL JAILS AND PENITENTIARIES.
SO THE FACT THAT WE'RE TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THIS LENGTHENING OF THE LOAD ON THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.
FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WHERE WE'RE GETTING SUCH BIG BANG FOR BUCK HERE.
I'D EVEN BE IN FAVOR OF PAYING FOR ANOTHER WORKER JUST ON OUR OWN DIME.
WE COULDN'T GET THE THE FUNDING FROM THE PROVINCE.
THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT, MR. ANTUNES. I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR TURNER.
IT IS AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT PROGRAM WITHIN OUR MUNICIPALITY.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT IN THE EVENT THAT THE FUNDING DOESN'T COME THROUGH.
I'M WONDERING I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD KNOW THIS, MR. ANTUNES, AND I DON'T WANT TO THROW YOU UNDER THE BUS, BUT JUST WONDERING IF THE COUNSELING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA IS ALSO SEEKING OUT FUNDING IN THE EVENT THAT THIS FUNDING FALLS THROUGH, SO THAT I KNOW THEY HAVE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES OTHER THAN THIS FUNDING LINE AS WELL.
SO MIGHT ENCOURAGE THEM TO JUST LOOK INTO ANY FUNDING THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE THAT THEY CAN ACCESS IN THE EVENT THAT THE FUNDING FOR THIS IS DECLINED, WHICH I HOPE IT WOULDN'T BE IN OUR STAT SHOULD SHOW THAT IT'S VIABLE PROGRAM, BUT JUST SO THAT WE CAN ALL REMAIN PART OF THE TEAM AND ALL WORK TOGETHER.
MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU COUNCILLOR FINAMORE WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION YET.
THE THE THE BECAUSE THE FULL ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE GRANT WILL COME THROUGH TO THE MUNICIPALITY. THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE SHOULDN'T.
WE'VE BEEN ALLOTTED X NUMBER OF DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, NEVER SAY NEVER.
BUT CERTAINLY AS WE HEAD LATER ON INTO THE MONTH OF MARCH, WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH [INAUDIBLE] HAS BEEN FANTASTIC IN SPEAKING ON OUR BEHALF AS WELL.
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SO WE'VE BEEN KIND OF NUDGING AS BEST WE CAN, BUT CERTAINLY IF WE HAVE ANY INDICATION NEAR CLOSER TO THE END OF THE MONTH THAT WE DON'T WILL CERTAINLY GET THE COUNSELING SERVICE EAST ALGOMA TO START PURSUING AS WELL, ANYTHING THAT MAY BE OUT THERE THAT WOULD TIE INTO THIS GRANT.MR. DANIEL. MR. ANTUNES STOLE MY THUNDER. MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS WORKING ON OUR BEHALF, QUEENS PARK.
SO WE REALLY ANTICIPATE THIS WILL JUST BE A BUREAUCRATIC DELAY AND IT'LL CATCH UP AND EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE. THANK YOU.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
SORRY. JUST ONE YOUR WORSHIP IF THEY AREN'T AWARDED IN TIME.
WHEN DOES THIS HAVE TO COME BACK TO US TO EXTEND IT BEYOND THE $7,200? HOW FAR WILL THAT TAKE THEM? I DON'T WANT TO SHUT IT DOWN, SO I WOULD JUST WANT TO.
MR. ANTUNES, THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE YEAH, GREAT QUESTION. IT'S THEY'RE EXPECTING THE ANSWER TO COME IN AT THE END OF THE MONTH.
I HAVE WITH MR. GAGNON'S GUIDANCE OF SET THE FIRST COUNCIL MEETING IN APRIL TO COME BACK WITH COUNCIL.
BY ALL INDICATIONS, WE SHOULD KNOW LAST WEEK OF MARCH, FIRST WEEK OF APRIL, WHICH WOULD GIVE US TIME TO COME BACK AND UPDATE COUNCIL WITH THE REPORT, WHETHER WE WOULD NEED TO CONTINUE PAST THE THE MONTH OF APRIL THAT THIS AMOUNT THE 72.
I APOLOGIZE LETS' SWITCH SCREENS HERE SO THE ACTUAL NUMBERS, $7,292 WOULD TAKE US UNTIL APRIL 30TH.
SO THAT WOULD COVER THE ENTIRE MONTH OF APRIL.
SO THE NEXT PAYABLE WOULD BE FOR THE MONTH OF MAY THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PUT IN FOR. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE GET BILLED ON THE FIRST OF THE FIRST OF THE MONTH.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? FOLLOW UP.
SO JUST TO FOLLOW UP, YOUR WORSHIP, SO THEN COULD WE MAYBE MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THIS IN TIME, MID-APRIL SECOND MEETING IN APRIL.
WORST CASE SCENARIO, IF IT'S NOT BEEN APPROVED YET, STILL HOLDING.
JUST SO THAT WE DON'T SHUT THEM DOWN FOR THE MONTH OF MAY.
YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU. ABSOLUTELY COUNCILLOR PATRIE THE 11TH.
I WOULD AGAIN BE SURPRISED IF WE HAVEN'T HEARD BY AGENDA DEADLINE FOR THE MONTH OF APRIL, WHICH WOULD BE THE 6TH OR 7TH OF APRIL, THAT CERTAINLY WE WOULD COME BACK WITH THE 11TH WITH A MEMO UPDATE TO UPDATE COUNCIL THE DIRECTION.
THEN, OF COURSE, THE 25TH, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING OF COUNCIL IN THE MONTH OF APRIL. WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
BUT AGAIN, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH MR. [INAUDIBLE] I THINK AS MR. DANIEL MENTIONED, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIMING.
AND OF COURSE MR. [INAUDIBLE] STRONG ARMING PEOPLE DOWN IN QUEEN'S PARK IS CERTAINLY GOING TO HELP AS WELL.
OK ROLL CALL VOTE ONCE AGAIN, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR MANN IN FAVOR.
6.4 REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF RECREATION AND CULTURE RE 2022 STREET DANCE.
TWO RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF RECREATION AND CULTURE DATED MARCH 24TH, 2022 BE RECEIVED, AND THAT COUNCIL SELECT OPTION B FOR THE 2022 SERVICE BUDGET WITH AN OFFSET LIMIT OF $65,000, AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVES STAFF TO BOOK AN AVAILABLE ARTISTS FOLLOWING THEIR BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS.
CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.
MS. KLUKE IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MY VIDEO.
I DON'T KNOW. IT'S NOT WORKING.
BUT THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
THANK YOU. AS YOU KNOW, THE STREET DANCE IS A POPULAR EVENT THAT BRINGS THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. AND IT'S ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE URANIUM FESTIVAL.
AND IN 2019, IT WAS THE LAST TIME THE CITY ORGANIZED THE STREET DANCE AND IT HAD JUST OVER 1000 TICKETS SOLD AT THE 2019 FESTIVAL.
THERE WAS NO NAMED ARTIST AND IT WAS A SMALL BUDGET THAT WAS ALLOCATED BETWEEN FOUR LOCAL AND REGIONAL BANDS.
THE EVENT WAS THE EVENT IN THE PAST HAS VARIED FROM ABOUT 1000 TO 6000 PARTICIPANTS FOR TICKETS SOLD THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THAT THEY'VE HOSTED IT.
AFTER TWO LONG SUMMERS OF CHALLENGING TIMES AND SEVERAL LOCKDOWNS WITH HEAVY RESTRICTIONS, I'VE PROVIDED TWO OPTIONS FOR THE STREET DANCE OPTION A WOULD BE TO RUN SIMILAR TO 2019, WHICH CONSISTS OF A LOW ARTIST BUDGET COSTS AND A LOW STAGE PRODUCTION COST, RESULTING IN A LOWER TICKET PRICE FOR THE PUBLIC.
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AND THEN OPTION B WOULD CONSIST OF A HIGHER BUDGET FOR ARTISTS, RESULTING IN SIMILAR OR HIGHER STAGE PRODUCTION COSTS, RESULTING ALSO IN A HIGHER TICKET PRICE FOR THE PUBLIC, WHICH WOULD BE SIMILAR TO PAST YEARS, LIKE WHEN WE HOSTED TERRY CLARK FINGER 11, BLUE RODEO, ETC.THAT WOULD BE THE COMPARABLE MARKET FOR OPTION B.
I RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL APPROVES STAFF MOVING FORWARD WITH OPTION B WITH AN UPSET LIMIT OF $65,000 FOR AN ARTIST BUDGET.
THIS OPTION WOULD PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH SOMETHING TO LOOK FORWARD TO AND TO REUNITE AFTER TWO PAST YEARS OF CANCELED EVENTS, IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP THE EVENT TO NEW AND PREVIOUSLY EXISTING VENDORS TO PARTICIPATE.
I HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH A FEW DIFFERENT BOOKING AGENTS AND THERE ARE SOME ARTISTS STILL AVAILABLE FOR JULY 2ND, BUT MANY HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT WE BOOK SOON AS THEY CONTINUE TO GET REQUESTS MORE AS IT'S A POPULAR WEEKEND IN ACROSS CANADA.
SO DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO TOWARDS THIS EVENT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH BOOKING ARTISTS AND PLANNING THIS EVENT ASAP.
SO I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MS. KLUKE, JUST JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION THAT THE LAST COUPLE OF STREET DANCES WE HAVE, I'VE BEEN UP ON THE STAGE INTRODUCING BANDS AND I'M GOING TO BE REALLY BLUNT WITH YOU.
THE 2019 CROWD WAS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
WE HAD A COUPLE OF COVER BANDS OF CCR, COVER BAND OF BOB SEGER COVER BAND.
WE HAD LOCAL BANDS, AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, IT WAS A LARGER, MORE INVOLVED CROWD WITH THOSE GROUPS AND A LOT OF A LOT BETTER FEEDBACK THAN THE PREVIOUS STREET DANCE THAT WE HAD THAT HEADLINED THE SHEEPDOGS.
I RECALL THE [INAUDIBLE] THE SHEEPDOGS BY THE TIME THEY CAME ON, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THEM BECAUSE OF OUR DEMOGRAPHICS SPECIFICALLY, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE LEAVING. SO FOR SUCH A HIGH COSTING BAND TO SEE PEOPLE LEAVING THERE, THAT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING. I'M GOING TO SAY AGAIN IN 2019 WITH THE COVER BANDS AND THE LOCAL BANDS WAS A WAS A GREAT SUCCESS, A GREAT PARTY AND A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK.
SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT TO YOU.
THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT COVER BANDS THERE THAT HIT THE THE 70S, 80S KIND OF ROCK MUSIC THAT BOTH GENERATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY CAN ENJOY.
SO I'LL START OFF WITH THAT AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO, OH THERE ARE, TO MS. KLUKE THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
I AGREE. IT'S TIME TO GET BACK OUT INTO THE STREETS OF ELLIOT LAKE AND HAVE A PARTY WHETHER WE HAVE IT AT THE ARENA OR DOWNTOWN.
I KNOW THE ARENA HAS A MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS, 1200 OR WHATEVER IT IS. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S LOWER THAN THAT BECAUSE THERE'S ALCOHOL SERVED.
WE DO HAVE THE OUTSIDE, BUT DOWNTOWN WE WOULD BE UNLIMITED.
I KNOW WE HAVE TO BE FRUGAL AND LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND I KNOW WE HAVE A BIG BUDGET THIS YEAR. BUT I'M ALSO CURIOUS IF THAT'S THE SAME WEEKEND AS ELLS IS HAVING THEIR I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD IS THERE REUNION, BUT IT'S NOT AN ELLS REUNION.
IT'S THE PEOPLE OF ELLS HAVING THE REUNION BECAUSE THAT WILL BRING IN A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I'VE ACTUALLY HAD MORE PEOPLE CONTACT ME THAN ANY OTHER ITEM ON AN AGENDA IN THE LAST WHILE OTHER THAN THE GOLF COURSE.
THEY WANT COUNTRY, THEY WANT A BIG BAND AND THEY WANT IT DOWNTOWN AND THEY WANT TO HAVE A LOT OF FUN AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO RIP AND LET IT LOOSE AND THEY'RE READY FOR A PARTY. SO.
I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT BANDS YOU CAN THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
YOU HAVE TO WATCH WHAT BANDS YOU BRING TO THIS AREA, THE PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL OUT OF TOWN FOR. A LOT OF OUR FOLK HERE REALLY LIKE COUNTRY AND FOLLOW COUNTRY BANDS OUTSIDE THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW YOUNGER FOLKS.
I KNOW PEOPLE ARE JUSTIN BIEBER AND AND THAT TYPE OF MUSIC.
BUT I THINK THAT OVERALL, IF, YOU KNOW, A CANADIAN COUNTRY BAND IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE.
I KNOW THE COUNCILLOR MANN HAS BROUGHT THIS UP ON MORE THAN TEN OCCASIONS ABOUT PURCHASING A STAGE AND THAT WAY HAVING THE CAPITAL ASSET SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RENT IT EVERY YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THAT EVEN IS.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE HELPED YOU ANY WITH MY OPINION, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME TO SAY, AND I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE REST TO COUNCIL TO TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT. I THINK I APPRECIATE THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS FORWARD AND THANK YOU FOR
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YOUR GOOD REPORT.COMMISSIONER PATRIE. THANK YOU WORSHIP.
I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION BEFORE I GET INTO IT.
MS. KLUKE, IF I MAY, THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THE $65,000, IS THAT STRICTLY FOR THE ARTISTS OR IS THAT FOR ARTISTS AND IS THAT A TOTAL BUDGET? THAT WOULD BE FOR AN ARTIST.
YOU AND I ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK.
I'M SORRY, BUT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF $65,000 JUST FOR AN ARTIST THAT IS EXTREMELY HIGH, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT THE BUDGETS ARE ACTUALLY COMING IN AT THIS YEAR FOR ENTERTAINMENT.
THERE IS AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE STILL AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY'VE JUST STARTED BOOKING.
AND I KNOW BOOKING AGENTS SAY THEY'RE BOOKING UP QUICK, THEY'RE WORKING UP QUICK, BUT THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN THEY DON'T HAVE THEIR ROOTS OUT.
AND THE BENEFIT THAT WE HAVE IS FOR THE DAY AFTER CANADA DAY.
SO THESE ARTISTS ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE.
SO PEOPLE THAT ARE PLAYING IN ONTARIO ARE GOING TO WANT TO STAY IN ONTARIO FOLLOWING CANADA DAY. I THINK $65,000 IS AN EXTREME BUDGET UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN TWO ARTISTS. BUT FOR ONE ARTIST, ONE BIG NAME ARTIST, THAT'S THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY.
SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT.
I'VE BEEN DOING THIS TOO LONG.
COVER BANDS? YEAH, THEY'RE GREAT.
THEY'RE GREAT COMMUNITY EVENT, BUT THEY DON'T DRAW THE PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T DRAW THE TICKET PRICE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE SHOULD DO THIS.
I'M IN FAVOR OF THE BIG NAME, BUT I WANT A FULL BUDGET TO COME FORWARD FIRST.
I'M NOT WILLING TO APPROVE A $65,000 ARTIST LINE WITHOUT THE BALANCE OF THE BUDGET.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOTTEN ANY OF THE STAGE AND LIGHTING COSTING YET.
THAT IS AN INDUSTRY SIMILAR TO THE INDUSTRY THAT I WORK IN THAT HAS LOST AN AWFUL LOT OF COMPANIES. MIGHT BE VERY, VERY HARD TO EVEN YOU.
YOU COULD SIGN AN ARTIST AND NOT END UP WITH WHAT THEY DEMAND IN THEIR RIDER FOR STAGING.
AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, I WOULD LOVE TO BUY A STAGE.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUY SOMETHING BIG BECAUSE IF YOU BUY A STAGE THAT ISN'T COMPATIBLE TO WHATEVER THEY STAYED ON THEIR RIDER OF WHAT THEY REQUIRE, YOU CAN'T HIRE AN AWFUL LOT OF THESE ENTERTAINERS.
AND UNLESS WE CAN FIND A STEAL OF A DEAL AND GET A REALLY GOOD STAGE FOR A REALLY GOOD PRICE, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING IN THE NEAR FUTURE IN THE INDUSTRY.
BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF GOING WITH A BIGGER BAND.
BUT I WANT A FULL BUDGET TO COME FORWARD.
AND I MAY HAVE TO PUT [INAUDIBLE] AMENDMENT TO THIS SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS DIRECTION, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GO BIG OR SMALL.
I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE FLOW OF WHAT I SPEAK AFTER WE HEAR FROM A COUPLE OTHER COUNCILORS. COUNCILLOR MANN.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP FOR YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
MS. KLUKE. I DON'T HAVE A CONCERN WITH GOING WITH OPTION B.
I BELIEVE COUNCILLOR PATRIE WAS WAS GOING DOWN A PATH TO LOOK FOR MORE BUDGET NUMBERS.
I WOULD BE CURIOUS BEFORE PROCEEDING ON WHAT THE OVERALL BUDGET FOR THE EVENT WOULD BE.
THOSE ARE NUMBERS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
AGAIN, IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A HEADLINER WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO, AND THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN PROVISIONALLY HOLD THEM, COME BACK TO COUNCIL, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH SOME ADDITIONAL NUMBERS.
I JUST NEED TO KNOW BEYOND THE PRICE OF THE HEADLINER, WHAT THE OVERALL BUDGET AND I REALIZE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE SCALE OF THAT HEADLINER.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.
I'M LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY BOOKING AN ARTIST AND I DON'T HAVE THE BALANCE OF THAT INFORMATION AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET THAT.
I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS PROCESS BECAUSE NOW THIS LOOKS LIKE.
THE SECOND EVENT THAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO HOLD IN JULY, WHICH AGAIN IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I WILL SUPPORT IT.
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I JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.THANK YOU. I DO WANT TO SEE THIS EVENT GO AHEAD.
BEGINNING OF JULY IS A GREAT TIME.
THE ELLS REUNION, OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED, IS GOING TO BE AT THE END OF JULY, I BELIEVE.
I HAVE TO SAY, I WOULDN'T MIND SEEING SOME SORT OF BUDGET NUMBERS ON THIS SO I COULD BE CLEARER, BUT I WAS AT THE 2019 EVENT.
IT'S A GREAT EVENT AND I'M SURPRISED TO SEE WE ONLY SPENT A LITTLE OVER $13,000 ON ALL THE ARTISTS THAT WERE THERE BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY KEPT EVERYBODY ENTERTAINED.
THE THE IMPACT OF OPTION B BEING REAL HEADLINERS OR A COUPLE OF SOME HEADLINERS, I GUESS THAT'S INTERESTING.
ALSO, I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT'S PROPOSED, BUT LIKE THE MAYOR IN A PREVIOUS YEAR, WE HAD A BAND THERE THAT NOBODY KNEW WE MADE A FORTUNE FOR AND.
AND PEOPLE LEFT BEFORE THEY EVEN HIT THE STAGE.
SO I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY SAYS COMMUNITY, THAT MAKES PEOPLE WANT TO DANCE, SING ALONG, WHATEVER.
BUT I WANT THEM TO FEEL THE MUSIC'S GOOD AND THEY'RE HAVING A GOOD TIME.
I'D BE IN FAVOR OF A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING IF YOU HAD TO COME BACK IN SHORT ORDER WITH WITH NUMBERS OR NAMES.
I'LL BE THERE AND I'LL HELP MAKE THIS THING A LITTLE.
MR. DANIEL. NOW READING THE ROOM IF COUNCIL WISHES TO DEFER THIS TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LINE UP IS A BUDGET MEETING EARLY NEXT WEEK.
MAYBE THAT TURNS INTO A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING IF NEEDED.
GIVE TIME FOR MS. KLUKE AND I TO REFINE AND MS. SONNENBURG TO REFINE THE BUDGET, GIVE YOU A SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS AND GET YOU MORE DETAILS. WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE CORPORATELY, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY DUST OFF THE BUDGET AND GIVE YOU SORT OF AN ORDER OF SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THERE WAS SOME RESEARCH DONE IN STAGE COSTS SOME YEARS AGO.
IT WAS AT A MINIMUM $300,000 FOR A STAGE THAT WOULD BIAS AND APPROXIMATELY $6,000 TO RENT IT. SO MAYBE IT'S $8,000 TODAY.
THAT WOULD GET US 45 OR 50 YEARS OF STREET DANCES.
SO UNLESS WE WERE GOING TO BE RENTING IT OUT TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, WHICH WOULD JUST BE COMPLICATED. SO I DON'T BELIEVE BUYING A STAGE IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST, BUT WE CAN BRING THAT RESEARCH BACK IN DUE TIME.
PROBABLY NOT FOR NEXT WEEK, BUT WE HEARD A LOT OF A LOT OF INPUT AS TO WHAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THAT FUTURE STAFF REPORT.
WE CAN WE CAN BRING THAT BACK NEXT WEEK IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S WISH.
OKAY. AND THE I THINK COUNCILLOR TURNER IS RIGHT ABOUT THE TIMING FOR THE ELLS REUNION.
BUT THERE IS THE FLINTOFF GOLF TOURNAMENT, I WAS TOLD IS A GO FOR THAT WE CAN, WHICH IS ANOTHER LARGE DRAW FOR EXPATS TO COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
GOING TO PUT A MOTION TO AMEND.
BUT BEFORE I DO ACTUALLY, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE ARENA AND DOWNTOWN.
I WOULD CAN STAFF LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF DOING THIS AT THE SKI HILL AS WELL, AND THEN IT DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH OUR DOWNTOWN CORE.
IT WILL GIVE YOU A BIGGER AVAILABLE SPACE TO BE ABLE TO DO THE FUNCTION AND YOU MIGHT EVEN BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE SKI.
I DON'T KNOW. BUT COULD WE NOT INVESTIGATE POTENTIALLY MOVING IT DOWN TO THE SKI HILL AS OPPOSED TO AFFECTING BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH SOME OF THE BUSINESS COMPONENTS THAT ARE DOWN IN THE LOWER PLAZA EVEN IN 2019 AND 2018.
THE ARENA IS GOOD, BUT IT ONLY HOLDS 1,000 PEOPLE.
IT'S TOO SMALL. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH A BIG NAME.
BUT I WANT TO PUT AN AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR THAT THE REPORT BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A BUDGET PROPOSAL WITH A HEADLINER ARTIST.
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COULD YOU JUST HANG ON, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? I'LL SECOND IT, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL.OKAY. WELL, COULD YOU BRING I THINK THEY SHOULD BRING BACK A PLAN A AND A PLAN B SO WE HAVE A COMPARATIVE.
I THINK THAT THAT'S I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ALL LOOKING AT I HAD A HEADLINER, BUT IF WE BRING BACK REALISTIC NUMBERS ON BOTH OPTIONS AND I THINK WE CAN MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE PHONING ME BECAUSE I SAID THAT, BUT I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT BOTH OPTIONS.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT YOUR STAFF HAS ASKED FOR PLAN OPTION B, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD MAYBE IF YOU COULD COST OUT A LOT OF THE COST COULD BE SIMILAR AND THE SAME, BUT OUTSIDE OF THE COST OF THE ENTERTAINMENT.
BUT IF WE COULD JUST HAVE BOTH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO ADD AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR AMENDMENT FOR THAT TO HAPPEN OR A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO PLAN TO TO INCLUDE BOTH.
I THINK STAFF'S HEARING EVERYTHING WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, BRAND NEW 32 BY 40 HYDRAULIC STAGE IS $148,000, 20 BY 18 TO $79,000 THAT'S COMMUNITY DOLLARS AND THE SL100 IT'S USED $16,000 OR NEW $24,000.
SO THOSE ARE REAL TIME STAGE PRICES IN CANADA RIGHT NOW, WHICH COULD SAVE US MONEY DOWN THE LINE. AND I AGREE, HAVING HAVING US KNOW WHAT THE HEADLINER IS, I CAN'T SEE SPENDING 75 OR $65,000 JUST STRAIGHT UP ON ANY HEADLINER THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET IN ELLIOT LAKE FOR THAT WEEKEND. I THINK WE EXPENSE.
IT WAS $70,000 FOR THE SHEEPDOGS.
AND LIKE I SAID, THEY WEREN'T THE HIT OF THE NIGHT.
I'D BE HAPPY WITH A GOOD HEADLINER SHANIA TWAIN WHEN SHE CAME.
IT WAS AWESOME. ALSO, GETTING ACTUAL SHANIA TWAIN WOULD BE GREAT, BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. BUT AGAIN, HAVING A COUPLE COVER BANDS AS YOUR OPENERS, WE HAVE SOME GREAT LOCAL TALENT ALSO SEEING A GOOD MIX.
BUT AGAIN, I COULDN'T SEE THE $65 ON ON JUST ONE MAN.
I DON'T I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING.
I'M GOING TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY MORE QUESTIONS COMMENTS ON COUNCILLOR PATRIE AMENDMENT.
SEEING NONE ROLL CALL ON THE AMENDMENT.
I'D BE IN FAVOR. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GETTING BEFORE WE GET IT.
SO, MR. BRAY, WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO READ US THE RESOLUTION AS AMENDED? YES, THEY CAN. SO THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF RECREATION AND CULTURE DID MARCH 24TH, 2022 BE RECEIVED, AND THAT COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR BOTH OPTION A AND OPTION B.
AGAIN, ANY QUESTION? COMMENTS. WE DON'T WANT TO SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS TOO MUCH, SO HOPEFULLY THIS MIGHT BE PRESENTED ON BUDGET NEXT WEEK.
CALL FOR A ROLL CALL ON THIS ONE.
COUNCILLOR TURNER FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR.
THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU, MR. CLERK. 6.5 REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AND TREASURY 2021 MAYOR AND COUNCIL REMUNERATION RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, TREASURY STATEMENT OF REMUNERATION AND EXPENSES BE RECEIVED THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 284 ONE OF THE ACT 2001 C 25, AS AMENDED, THE STATEMENT OF REMUNERATION AND EXPENSES PAID TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND BOARD MEMBERS IN THE YEAR 2021.
THE STATEMENT WOULD BE RECEIVED AND THAT IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 24 4 OF THE SO 21, THE C 25 AS AMENDED, THE STATEMENT BE PUBLISHED ON THE CITY WEBSITE.
CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
MS. SONNENBURG I'M SO SORRY. I WAS ON MUTE.
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YOU CAN SEE MY LIPS MOVING AND I'M LOOKING DOWN.THROUGH YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE STATEMENT OF REMUNERATION AND EXPENSES IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.
I DO HAVE ONE SLIGHT AMENDMENT.
IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION LATE IN THE DAY THAT ON AGENDA PACKAGE PAGE 53, THE FORMULA CALCULATES THE TOTAL REMUNERATION RECEIVED AND SENT TO MAYOR COUNCIL FROM THE DISTRICT SERVICES BOARD IS NOT ADDING IN THE REMUNERATION FOR COUNCILLOR TURNER, SO THAT NUMBER IS SLIGHTLY CHANGED TO $21,600.
SO WHEN WE PUBLISH THIS, THERE WILL BE THAT ONE SMALL AMENDMENT IN THE ERROR IN THE FORMULA. AND OTHER THAN THAT, THIS IS A VERY ROUTINE DOCUMENT THAT IS PUBLISHED ANNUALLY.
THANK YOU, MS. SONNENBURG. JUST JUST FOR CLARITY WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] BOARD, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY EXPENSE FOR TRAVEL IN THE LAST YEAR.
PER THE COMMUNICATION FROM THE AD SAB THAT IS A REMUNERATION FOR TELEPHONE EXPENSES AND INTERNET COVERAGE FOR.
THAT WAS THE COMMUNICATION THAT WAS RECEIVED.
SO I CAN DO SOME FURTHER RESEARCH.
THANK YOU. THESE ARE COMMUNICATION EXPENSES.
COMMUNICATION. NEWS TO ME ONCE AGAIN, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. I'M NOT SURE MS. SONNENBURG CAN CORRECT ME, BUT WAS I NOT PENALIZED BY THIS COUNCIL FOR EIGHT MONTHS PAY IN 2021? THEREFORE I DIDN'T GET THAT MONEY.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M ON THAT LIST AS THAT KIND OF MONEY.
THAT WOULD BE THOSE NUMBERS WERE PULLED DIRECTLY FROM THE [INAUDIBLE].
I WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME FURTHER RESEARCH.
I DON'T HAVE THE BACKUP THAT GOES WITH IT IN FRONT OF ME.
COUNCILLOR MANN. COUNCILLOR TURNER.
THANKS MR. MAYOR. NATURALLY, I WAS LOOKING AT THE ALIGNMENT.
MY. I RECOGNIZED EXPENSES THERE.
THE ONE THING THAT SET ME BACK WAS $6,040 FOR MEDICAL BENEFITS.
AND THAT MEANS THAT $500 A MONTH IS MY PORTION OF GROUP HEALTH.
THAT'S CORRECT. YOU KNOW, MR. MAYOR, WE GOT TO GO LOOKING.
BECAUSE I CAN THINK OF ONE PLAN RIGHT NOW THAT'S FOR A THIRD OF THAT CAN HAVE THE SAME COVERAGE. THERE'S JUST THERE'S JUST NO WAY I COULD POSSIBLY USE $500 A MONTH IN COVERAGE. IT JUST IT'S MIND BOGGLING THAT THEY CHARGE US THAT MUCH.
BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. SO JUST ON COUNCILLOR TURNER'S COMMENT.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WE THE MUNICIPALITY PAYS INTO MONTHLY, REGARDLESS OF USAGE.
YES, THAT'S CORRECT. MAYOR COUNSELOR PROVIDED THE SAME MEDICAL BENEFITS THAT ALL STAFF ARE PROVIDED AND ALL MAYOR AND COUNSEL ARE INCLUDED UNDER FAMILY PACKAGES.
AND SOME THE SLIGHT DIFFERENCE ON MEDICAL BENEFITS WOULD BE RELATED TO THE EXTENSION OF LIFE AND AD&D.
AND BECAUSE BECAUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY CORRELATED WITH SALARY REMUNERATION WHEN THEY DO THE CALCULATION UP THERE AND FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
SO IT'S THE SAME IT'S THE SAME COVERAGE THAT ALL STAFF, ALL CITY STAFF RECEIVE IS EXTENDED TO COUNCIL.
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THANK YOU. GOT ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. OKAY ROLL CALL VOTE COUNCILLOR MANN IN FAVOR COUNCILLOR PATRIE FAVOR.COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. IN FAVOR.
[7. PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS]
7 PRESENTATION COMMITTEE REPORTS.7.1 A REFERRAL FROM THE MARCH 2022 AD HOC BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING 2022 USER FEES.
COUNCILLOR MANN, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. AT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE AD HOC BUDGET COMMITTEE.
HOUSE BUDGET COMMITTEE HELD ON MONDAY, MARCH 21, 2022.
THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE TREASURER REGARDING 2020 2022 USER FEES BE RECEIVED AND THAT SCHEDULE A SUMMER DAY CAMP FEES BE AMENDED TO $20 PER DAY AND $90 PER WEEK WITH AFFORDABLE ACCESS PROGRAM BEING ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY. AND THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR FINANCE TREASURER THREE 2022 USER FEES AND USER FEES AND THE NECESSARY BYLAW BE FORWARDED TO AN UP COUNCIL.
AN UPCOMING COUNCIL AGENDA FOR CONSIDERATION AND I SO MOVE.
SECONDER, PLEASE. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. COUNCILLOR MANN.
YES. SO THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
SO WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE BEGUN A BIT OF A RETURN TO THE BUDGET PROCESS AFTER HAVING A BIT OF A BREAK SINCE DECEMBER.
THIS IS OUR FIRST MEETING BACK THIS YEAR AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL CONTINUE ON A PROCESS TO GET BUDGET WRAPPED UP SOONER THAN LATER.
ONE OF THE OUTSTANDING MATTERS THAT NEEDED TO BE DEALT WITH WAS THE USER FEE BYLAW FOR THE 2022 YEAR COMMITTEE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION.
STAFF AND MS. SONNENBURG AND HER DEPARTMENT HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO STREAMLINE AND CLEAN UP THE USER FEE BYLAW AND MOVE IT INTO A DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT FORMAT WHICH WAS APPRECIATED BY COMMITTEE ONE.
I BELIEVE ONE SPECIFIC ITEM THAT WE DID CHANGE IS OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE BY THE RESOLUTION WAS THERE WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE PRICING FOR THE DAY PROGRAM OR THE DAY CAMP THAT PRICING WAS AMENDED AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL, AGAIN, AS IS INDICATED TO $20 A DAY, $90 PER WEEK. I THINK THOSE WERE THE OTHER NOT A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT CHANGES WITH A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENTS. SOME SPECIFIC CHANGES REGARDING RENTAL OF FACILITIES TO INCORPORATE THE FACT THAT NOW INSURANCE IS REQUIRED FOR FOR RENTING EXAMPLE THE COLLINS HALL.
SO THOSE HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY.
AND IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, I WOULD ASK THAT THEY BE REFERRED TO THE TREASURER. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR MANN.
ANY QUESTION? COMMENTS. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
THIS IS A SCALED DOWN VERSION AND THE TREASURER TOLD US THAT WE WOULD BE GETTING A SCALED DOWN VERSION THAT NO LONGER SHOWS THE NUMBERS FROM 2016 TO CURRENT.
I JUST WANT TO REITERATE TO COUNCIL, NOT JUST COMMITTEE.
I WOULD LIKE AN IN-DEPTH REVIEW OF THIS STUFF COMING INTO NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE LATE IN THE YEAR. WE NEED TO APPROVE THIS.
BUT MINIMUM WAGE HAS GONE UP 32%, 31.98% SINCE 2016, PLUS THE COST OF LIVING, PLUS THE COST OF AGRO PLUS, PLUS, PLUS.
AND A LOT OF OUR COSTS HAVE NOT GONE UP SINCE 2016.
AND I WOULD LIKE A VERY IN-DEPTH REVIEW OF THESE USER FEES PRIOR TO THE END OF THE YEAR SO THAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT NEW USER FEES FOR JANUARY 1ST OF 2023.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SEEING NONE ROLL CALL VOTE AND I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE IN FAVOR.
THAT'S CARRIED. 7.2 REFERRAL FROM THE MARCH 21ST, 2022 PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING.
RE ACCESSIBILITY COLOUR BLIND TRAFFIC LIGHTS COUNCILLOR CYR IS ABSENT THIS EVENING, SO I ASKED COUNCILLOR MANN IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND DOING OUR PUBLIC SERVICES MEETINGS ALSO.
YOUR WORSHIP. AT THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE HELD ON MONDAY, MARCH 21ST, 2022.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME WITH THAT TONIGHT.
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THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE REPORT OF THE DEPUTY CLERK AND ACCESSIBILITY COORDINATOR BE RECEIVED, AND THAT THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE REQUEST THROUGH THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE THAT COUNCIL WRITE A LETTER TO THE MINISTER, THE MINISTRY OF SENIORS AND ACCESSIBILITY, AS WELL AS OTHER MUNICIPALITIES FOR SUPPORT REGARDING THE ALLOWANCE FOR SHAPED TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND I SO MOVE.SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.
A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, PLEASE.
THANK YOU THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP.
SO FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS BEEN LOOKING INTO GETTING SHAPED TRAFFIC LIGHTS TO ACCOMMODATE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO ELLIOT LAKE WHO ARE COLORBLIND.
BELOW IN THE REPORT IS A PHOTO EXAMPLE FROM HALIFAX.
THEY ADDED SHAPES TO THEIR TRAFFIC LIGHT SO THE COLORS WOULD STAY THE SAME.
BUT THE SHAPES HELP IDENTIFY, STOP SLOW AND GO TO SOME OF THEM WITH COLOUR BLINDNESS.
THE STYLE OF TRAFFIC LIGHT IS ALSO USED IN PARTS OF QUEBEC.
AFTER MUCH RESEARCH, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT IN THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO, ONLY ROUND TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGNAL HOODS ARE PERMITTED.
SPEAKING WITH THE MTO AND TSL CONSULTING THE CITY'S CURRENT TRAFFIC LIGHT CONTRACTOR, THEY SAID THAT FOLLOWING THE REGULATIONS SET OUT IN THE ONTARIO TRAFFIC MANUAL BOOK 12, THE CITY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ALTER THE SHAPES OF THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS.
THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT ALSO DICTATES THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL HEADS ARE REQUIRED TO BE CIRCULAR. HOWEVER, AS COLORBLINDNESS AFFECTS ONE IN 12 MEN AND ONE IN 200 WOMEN IN THE WORLD, THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD STILL LIKE SOMETHING TO BE DONE TO HELP AID THOSE WITH COLOR BLINDNESS TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN ELLIOT LAKE.
THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE BELIEVES THAT IF A CITY WERE GRANTED PERMISSION BY THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO TO INSTALL SHAPED TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGNALS TO HELP THOSE WHO ARE COLORBLIND, THE REST OF THE PROVINCE WOULD FOLLOW.
THE AAC IS REQUESTING COUNCIL WRITE A LETTER TO THE MINISTRY FOR SENIORS AND THE ACCESSIBILITY. SORRY.
MINISTRY FOR SENIORS AND ACCESSIBILITY REGARDING THE ALLOWANCE OF SHAPED TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGNALS IN ELLIOT LAKE AND FOR THE SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE.
THE COMMITTEE IS ALSO REQUESTING A LETTER BE SENT TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, SPECIFICALLY THEIR ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEES OR APPROPRIATE DEPARTMENTS ASKING FOR THEIR SUPPORT IN THIS ENDEAVOR.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, LAWRENCE, VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT.
AND IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT FOR ELLIOT LAKE TO BE ABLE TO LEAD THE WAY ON INITIATIVES LIKE THIS GIVEN OUR DEMOGRAPHICS.
SAYING THAT IN TWO WEEKS TIME, WE'LL BE SITTING IN FRONT OF MINISTER CHO, WHO IS THE MINISTER FOR SENIORS AND ACCESSIBILITY.
SO A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THIS ONE IN HIS EAR FOR FOR SUPPORT, WHICH I'M 100% SURE HE WILL SUPPORT. I OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS? I THINK COUNCILLOR PATRIE PUT HIS HAND UP FIRST.
THANK YOU WORSHIP. WITH THIS NOT BEING LEGAL IN ONTARIO AND OUR STAFF BEING SO THIN, I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD AT THIS TIME.
TRAFFIC LIGHTS IN ONTARIO ARE SIZE SMALL TOO LARGE.
THERE'S A MULTITUDE OF COLOR BLIND PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND HOW THE TRAFFIC LIGHT SYSTEMS WORK IN ONTARIO, AS WELL AS 90% OF THE WORLD THAT RUN THE SAME LIGHT SYSTEMS. I THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CAUSE MORE ISSUES BY CHANGING THESE AND IT'S GOING TO BE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO DO AS WELL.
SO I JUST I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE THE ONES TRYING TO DO THIS.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN SPOKEN TO MTO, WHO ACTUALLY GOVERN THAT REGULATION ABOUT THAT POSSIBLE CHANGE IN ONTARIO.
SO I JUST CAN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THIS.
THERE'S A CURRENT SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT WORKS BECAUSE OF COLOR BLIND PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHY THEY LIGHT SMALL TO LARGE TO SMALL, DEPENDING WHICH WAY YOU'RE GOING ON THE LIGHT STANDARD. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE CHANGING THE COLORS.
COLORBLIND PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THE TOP LIGHT IS THE STOP LIGHT AND THE BOTTOM LIGHT IS THE GO LIGHT. AND WHEN THEY'RE LIT, THEY'RE LIT.
SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, SORRY.
COUNCILOR TURNER. THANKS, YOUR WORSHIP.
WE HAVE MADE ATTEMPTS TO GET MTO TO RESPOND.
THE POLICE SERVICES BOARD WAS REQUESTED TO MAKE THAT INQUIRY FOR US.
WE NEVER HEARD BACK FROM THEM.
THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR TWO YEARS NOW.
JUST FOR CLARITY, THIS IS NOT EXPENSIVE.
THEY COULD TAKE A TWO FOOT BY EIGHT INCH PIECE OF TIN AND SNIP OUT A SHAPE
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AND SCREW IT IN AS A TEMPLATE OVER THE LIGHTS AND WOULD DO THE JOB.IDEALLY WE WOULD USE SOMETHING LIKE LEDS AS THEY'RE DONE IN A COUPLE OF OTHER PROVINCES AND IT'S NOT 90% WORLD USING THE SYSTEM LIKE US.
EUROPE IS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF US, WHICH IS OFTEN THE CASE AND THEY DO WHAT THEY CAN TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE WITH A DISABILITY.
WE ACTUALLY HAVE LAWS THAT SAY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO ACCOMMODATE OR DO WHAT WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE. AND THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE, SIMPLE SOLUTION.
THE CONFUSION FOR DRIVERS WHO ARE COLOR BLIND COMES PARTICULARLY AT NIGHT WHEN THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, WHICH APPEAR GRAY OR WHITE IN COLOR TO THEM, ARE COMPETING WITH STREETLIGHTS, TRAFFIC LIGHTS, PORCH LIGHTS, ANYTHING THAT GIVES OFF A ROUNDISH GLOW.
SO BY HAVING SHAPES OVER THE LIGHTS, YOU IMMEDIATELY SOLVE THE PROBLEM FOR NOW.
SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE COLORBLIND WORK ROUND THE SYSTEM NOW IS THE SAME AS SAYING WHY SHOULD WE BOTHER TAKING THE EDGE OFF A SIDEWALK TO ALLOW A WHEELCHAIR TO GO DOWN.
THEY'VE BEEN HOPPING UP OVER IT FOR YEARS.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS, THAT'S NOT WHO WE ARE.
WE'RE ASKING THE MINISTER OF SENIORS AND ACCESSIBILITY, BECAUSE THAT MINISTER'S IN CHARGE OF THE DISABILITIES ACT AND THAT MINISTER HAS THE EAR, I'M SURE, OF THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORT. AND BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM THEY CAN RESOLVE THE ISSUE AND IT WOULDN'T TAKE MUCH WORK. IT'S A MATTER OF A REGULATION BEING AMENDED.
SO WHAT WE'VE ASKED FOR IS THAT THE COUNCIL WRITE TO THE MINISTER OF SENIORS AND ACCESSIBILITY AND TO WRITE TO OUR COLLEAGUES ON OTHER MUNICIPAL COUNCILS.
PRESENT THEM WITH THE SITUATION AND SOLUTION AND ASK THEM TO JOIN US IN THIS REQUEST.
I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT MUCH TO ASK.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU, WORSHIP.
THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT, MRS. LAWRENCE. I WAS RAISED IN A HOME WITH FIVE CHILDREN AND TWO PARENTS AND ONE BROTHER AND A FATHER, AND BOTH WERE COLOR BLIND.
AND AS A CHILD, IT WAS ONLY A SOURCE OF HUMOR FOR US WHEN WE WOULD SEE WHAT THEY WOULD DRESS LIKE EVERY DAY.
NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS UNTIL THIS REPORT CAME UP.
I KNOW THAT THE OCCUPATIONS THAT MY FATHER CHOSE, HE HAD TO CHOOSE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE HE WAS COLOR BLIND AND HE WASN'T ABLE TO FOLLOW WHAT HIS LIFE'S DREAMS WERE.
SO THERE IS A PRICE THAT ARE PAID FOR WHICH WE THINK MIGHT BE NOTHING.
BUT THERE IS A HUGE PRICE THAT PEOPLE PAY WITH DIFFERENT DISABILITIES, DISABILITIES THAT WE DON'T OFTEN SEE. I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN WRITING A LETTER AND ASKING A QUESTION AND TAKING IT FROM THERE, AND THEN THAT WILL LEAD TO FURTHER DISCUSSIONS.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN START SOMETHING AND GET SOME SUPPORT FOR SOME OF THE DISABLED PEOPLE, AND IF YOU DON'T THINK IT'S A DISABILITY, ASK SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE A PILOT WHO CAN'T BE BECAUSE THEY'RE COLORBLIND.
THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU WILL FIND A DIFFERENT ANSWER.
SO I DON'T SEE ANY HARM IN WRITING THIS LETTER AND STARTING THIS PROCESS.
I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD.
JUST FOR CLARITY, ALSO, MY MY BEST FRIEND, LIFELONG FRIEND IS COLORBLIND.
AND JUST A MOMENT IN HIS LIFE HE CAN'T DRIVE AT NIGHT, HAS NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DRIVE AT NIGHT WITHOUT A PASSENGER TO TELL HIM, BECAUSE IN HIS VISION, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S RED, GREEN OR YELLOW.
THE WHOLE THING GLOWS AND HE CAN'T TELL WHICH IS WHICH.
SO BEEN RESTRICTED FROM DRIVING AT NIGHT AND MY MOTHER IS ACTUALLY THE SAME.
I SEE IT IN REALISTICALLY, IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME FROM PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN DEALING WITH IT AND I THINK IF WE HAVE AN ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING AND LEAD THE WAY FOR THE REST OF THE PROVINCE, IT NEVER HURTS TO ASK.
I'M GOING TO ASK THIS [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH THE RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE HERE, ARE WE LOOKING AT REPLACING THE WHOLE LIGHT STANDARDS OR ARE WE ABLE TO ORDER AFFORDABLE COVERS FOR THE FEW STREETLIGHTS [INAUDIBLE] SORRY YOU WERE CUTTING OUT THERE YOUR WORSHIP WAS THAT WAS THE QUESTION TOWARDS MYSELF? YES. JUST CURIOUS, SIR.
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ARE WE LOOKING AT REPLACING THE WHOLE LIGHT STANDARDS OR IS THERE COVERS THAT CAN BE JUST PUT ON THESE, AS WE'VE SEEN IN THE EAST COAST [INAUDIBLE] AND SEE THIS IS THE RESEARCH THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SO FAR, AND I KNOW MR. DOYLE IS ON AS WELL. AND HE HAD BEEN ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAD TALKED TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS UP BECAUSE OF WORKING ON THE HILLSIDE NORTH PROJECT RIGHT NOW AND TALKING ABOUT THE LIGHTS AND WHERE THEY ARE.I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF HE CAN GIVE YOU THAT ANSWER AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, RIGHT NOW, WE GOT STOPPED WITH NOT LEGAL IN ONTARIO.
SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE THESE PEOPLE ARE PUTTING UP THE LIGHTS WITH IT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S WE EVERY EVERY COMPANY I'VE ASKED TO VOTE, TO ASK TO SEE IF THERE'S JUST AN INSERT THAT GOES IN.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THEM GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION WITH THE WITH WITH THE OTHER DESIGN OF THE COLORBLIND LIGHT DESIGN.
THAT WAY WHERE OURS ARE UP AND DOWN, THEIRS ARE GOING EAST TO WEST.
SO I'M GOING TO SAY IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT.
I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH MR. PATRICK AT THAT POINT. THERE'S PROBABLY MORE OF AN EXPENSE OF THAT.
SWITCHING OUT THE ENTIRE HEAD OF THE LIGHT.
SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY I KNOW 100%, BUT EVERYBODY THAT WE'VE ASKED, IT'S YEAH, NOBODY'S HAD AN ANSWER FOR US AT THIS POINT.
YOU. MR. DOYLE, WOULD YOU HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION? FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, TALKING TO THEM.
FOR SOME OF THEM, YOU MAY JUST BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE HEAD ON IT, BUT I'M NOT 100% SURE AT THE MOMENT. AS MR. HALLOCK SAID, WE'RE JUST STARTING TO LEARN ABOUT THESE AND AS WE GO MOVING FORWARD ON IT, WE CAN WE CAN FIND OUT ABOUT THAT.
OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? CALL FOR ROLL CALLS, STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.
IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
LAWRENCE IF WE CAN USE THIS AS POSSIBLY SOMETHING TO BRING TO THE MINISTER IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. MR. GAGNON. THANKFULLY THAT PASSED BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY ADDED IT TO OUR BRIEFING MATERIAL WHEN WE ASKED FOR A DELEGATION WITH MINISTER CHO FOR ACCESSIBILITY.
HE CONFIRMED THAT WE ARE CONFIRMED FOR DELEGATION IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN TORONTO.
WE ALSO ADDED IT TO A POTENTIAL DELEGATION WITH THE MINISTER OF TRANSPORTATION, AMONG A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES.
WE HAVEN'T HEARD BACK ON THAT ONE YET, BUT WE'LL MENTION IT TO TRANSPORTATION AS WELL AND SEE IF THERE'S SOME GUIDANCE THEY CAN GIVE US AS A PILOT PROJECT OR SOMETHING OF THE SORT. OKAY.
7.3 REFERRAL FROM THE MARCH 21ST 2022 PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING RE COMMUNITY LEADERS AND ACCESSIBILITY PROJECT COUNCILLOR MANN, IF YOU WOULD.
THANK YOUR WORSHIP, AT THE REGULAR MEETING AGAIN OF THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE HELD ON MONDAY, MARCH 21ST, 2022.
THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE REPORT OF THE DEPUTY CLERK AND ACCESSIBILITY COORDINATOR BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVE A BUDGET OF $300 FOR COMMUNITY LEADERS AND ACCESSIBILITY PROJECT FOR PRINTING OF BROCHURES AND STICKERS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
THANK YOU. MISS LAWRENCE, IF YOU IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND.
THANK YOU. YOUR WORSHIP SO THE MAYOR YOURSELF BROUGHT FORWARD AN IDEA TO THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE REGARDING A COMMUNITY LEADERS AND ACCESSIBILITY PROJECT, A PROJECT IN WHICH THE CITY AND THE AAC WOULD ENGAGE THE LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY IN AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE FULLY ACCESSIBLE SHOPPING IN ELLIOT LAKE.
THE AAC MANDATE IS TO WORK TOWARD A BARRIER FREE COMMUNITY FOR ALL PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES AND TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY TO FULFILL THE MANDATE OF THE COMMITTEE.
HOWEVER, IN ORDER TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THIS PROGRAM, AS WELL AS PROVIDE WINDOW STICKERS TO BUSINESSES, THE COMMITTEE WOULD NEED A BUDGET FOR PRINTING BROCHURES AND STICKERS AS THEY CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ONE.
ATTACHED IS A DRAFT BROCHURE THAT GOES INTO DETAIL ABOUT THE POTENTIAL PROGRAM AND WINDOW STICKER. THE STICKER WAS DESIGNED WITH HAVING THE ACCESSIBILITY PART OPTIONAL, AS THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR MORE PROJECTS IN DIFFERENT AREAS THAT CAN RECOGNIZE COMMUNITY LEADERS, FOR EXAMPLE, COMMUNITY LEADERS AND TOURISM.
AFTER RECEIVING A COUPLE OF QUOTES FROM LOCAL BUSINESSES.
IT WAS DETERMINED THAT JUST FOR PRINTING AS THE BROCHURE AND STICKER WERE DESIGNED IN-HOUSE, THE COMMITTEE WOULD REQUIRE $300 FOR BROCHURES AND WINDOW STICKERS TO BE DISTRIBUTED TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AS THERE IS CURRENTLY NOT A RESERVE SPECIFICALLY FOR ACCESSIBILITY IN THE DRAFT 2022 BUDGET.
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IT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF COUNCIL WHEN FUNDS COME FROM.BUSINESSES ARE HAVING TO FOLLOW ACCESSIBILITY FOR ONTARIO DISABILITIES ACT AS WELL AS THE ACCESSIBILITY CANADA ACT.
THIS PROGRAM WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ELLIOT LAKE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO LEARN IF THEY ARE COMPLIANT AND IF THEY ARE NOT, WHAT THEY COULD DO TO BECOME COMPLIANT AND COST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO DO SO.
THE AAC WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PRINTED COPIES OF THE BROCHURES AVAILABLE AT CITY FACILITIES, BUT THE BROCHURE WOULD ALSO BE AVAILABLE ELECTRONICALLY ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND SOCIAL MEDIA PAGES.
THE WINDOW STICKERS WOULD ALSO BE A NICE WAY TO RECOGNIZE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE, AND IT WOULD LET PATRONS KNOW WHICH BUSINESSES AND BUILDINGS ARE FULLY ACCESSIBLE FOR SHOPPING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AGAIN, VERY EXCITING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GIVEN OUR DEMOGRAPHICS.
I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH OUR BUSINESS SECTOR.
AND I KNOW SOME OF THE NUMBERS HAVE COME IN TO THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS FAR AS HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE PHYSICAL BARRIERS AS IT IS.
AND SO BUSINESS AND BEING ABLE TO GET UP TO THE STANDARD IS ACTUALLY GOING TO DRIVE MORE TRAFFIC THROUGH YOUR BUSINESS BECAUSE EVERYONE WITH A DISABILITY ALSO WANTS TO GET OUT AND BE ABLE TO SHOP AND GO PLACES ALSO.
REMOVING THOSE BARRIERS JUST OPENS THE DOORS.
SO VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS COMING.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU WORSHIP.
I THINK THIS IS DIRECTED MORE TO MR. GAGNON, MR. HALLOCH THAT WE DID DISCUSS AT THE IT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE PUBLIC SERVICE MEETING THAT IT SEEMS NOT A WASTE OF TIME, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY AN OVERREACH FOR STAFF TO HAVE TO COME AND ASK COUNCIL FOR $300.
SO I THINK THEY ASSURED US THAT THEY WOULD LOOK IN THE BUDGET TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE ACCESSIBILITY COORDINATOR, GIVE HER SOME SORT OF BUDGET FOR THESE THINGS THAT THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW, MR. HALLOCH'S BUDGET OR THE TOURISM BUDGET, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT JUST TO ASSURE PEOPLE THAT WE DON'T EXPECT STAFF TO COME FORWARD $300 FOR BROCHURES EVERY TIME THEY WANT TO DO THEIR BUSINESS, THAT THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT AND THAT MR..
MR. MANN WILL MAYBE MOVE THIS ALONG IN THE BUDGET PROCESS AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT, BUT IT'S AN OPERATIONAL THING AND I'M SURE IT'LL BE TAKEN CARE. YEAH, THIS ONE GOT PAST ME.
WE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY HEAD THAT OFF IN THE PAST.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED THAT WITH THE TREASURER AND THE ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE WILL HAVE SOME OPERATING DOLLARS TIED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR ITEMS LIKE THIS.
SO WE WON'T NEED TO BE DEBATING $300 ITEMS. BUT IT WAS GOOD AT THE COMMITTEE AND HERE JUST TO HIGHLIGHT THE INITIATIVE IN GENERAL AND GIVE IT SOME PROFILE. BUT WE WE WILL HAVE ALREADY CORRECTED THAT IN THE DRAFT BUDGET.
SO THE COMMITTEE WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FUNDS TO WORK WITH.
AND WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED AN ACCESSIBILITY TRANSFER TO RESERVE FOR LARGER CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO ALL THAT WILL BE TIDIED UP IN FUTURE BUDGET MEETINGS.
GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTION? COMMENTS. THAT'S DEFINITELY A GOOD WAY TO HIGHLIGHT THIS PROJECT AND GET IT OUT THERE THAT IT'S GOING ON. SO LOOK FOR ROLL CALL VOTE.
IT'S COUNCILLOR PATRIE FAVORITE COUNCILLOR TURNER FAVOR.
AND I'M IN FAVOR. THANK YOU AGAIN, MS..
OKAY. 7.4 REFERRAL FROM THE MARCH 21ST 2022 PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITTEE MEETING SENIORS COMMUNITY GRANT PROGRAM COUNCILLOR MANN.
AGAIN, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. THANK YOU.
YOUR WORSHIP AGAIN AT THE SAME MEETING OF THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE HELD ON MONDAY, MARCH 21ST, 2022.
THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE REPORT OF THE DEPUTY CLERK AND ACCESSIBILITY COORDINATOR BE RECEIVED, AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE APPLICATION TO THE SENIORS COMMUNITY GRANT PROGRAM FOR $25,000 FOR A SENIORS GAMES PROJECT, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND I WILL MOVE. SECONDED, PLEASE.
COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, MS..
LAWRENCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORSHIP.
THE 2020 223 FUNDING STREAM FOR THE SENIORS COMMUNITY GRANT PROGRAM OPENED MARCH 1ST.
THE PROJECT MUST BE AT LEAST ONE OF THE MINISTRY'S KEY PRIORITIES, WHICH ARE AGE AT HOME AND IN COMMUNITIES. BE SAFE AND SECURE, REMAIN HEALTHY, ACTIVE AND SOCIALLY ENGAGED, AS WELL AS PARTICIPATE IN THE LABOR MARKET AND ECONOMY AS THEY WISH.
AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE IDEA THAT WAS RECOMMENDED WAS THE SENIORS GAMES OR SENIORS RECREATION DAY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH LOCAL AND REGIONAL
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SENIORS GROUPS AND ORGANIZATIONS.THIS PROJECT WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO TARGET THE COMMUNITY'S ISOLATED SENIOR POPULATION WHILE TAKING ALL COVID 19 RECOMMENDATIONS AND PRECAUTIONS INTO CONSIDERATION.
THE GAMES WOULD FOCUS ON THE SOCIAL, PHYSICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL WELL-BEING OF THE PARTICIPANTS THROUGH A PARTICIPATION IN A ONE DAY OR EVEN A SERIES OF EVENTS.
THE GAMES WOULD OFFER OPPORTUNITIES FOR ENRICHMENT, FULFILLMENT AND IMPROVED QUALITY OF LIFE PROVIDED BY PARTICIPATION IN A BROAD VARIETY OF ATHLETIC AND RECREATIONAL AND SOCIAL EVENTS. THE MINIMUM FUNDING AMOUNT IS $1,000 IN THE MAXIMUM FUNDING AMOUNT IS $25,000 FOR A PROJECT THAT WILL SUPPORT UP TO 100% OF TOTAL ELIGIBLE PROJECT COSTS.
AND THE DEADLINE FOR THE GRANT APPLICATION IS APRIL 28.
THANK YOU. ANOTHER VERY EXCITING INITIATIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? SEEING NONE, EVERYBODY HAD THEIR QUESTIONS AT COMMITTEE CALL.
I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.
OF COUNCILLOR TURNER IN FAVOR.
IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED A 7.5 REFERRAL FROM THE MARCH 21ST 2022 PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITTEE MEETING. TANDEM PLOW TRUCK PURCHASE.
WORSHIP AGAIN AT THE SAME PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE MEETING HELD ON MARCH 21ST.
THE FOLLOWING REPORT WAS PASSED THAT STAFF REPORT FOR THE PURCHASE OF ONE TANDEM PLOW TRUCK DATED MARCH TEN, 2020.
TWO OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS BE RECEIVED AND THAT IT BE FORWARDED TO COUNCIL FOR PRE APPROVAL FOR THE PURCHASE AND SUPPLY OF ONE FREIGHTLINER TANDEM PLOW TRUCK IN THE AMOUNT OF $286,910 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES BE AWARDED TO TMS TRUCK CENTER AND ISO SECONDARY, PLEASE.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, MR. HALLOCH. YES, THANK YOU.
THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OWNS AND OPERATES FOUR TANDEM AXLE PLOW TRUCKS. THESE UNITS ARE USED EXTENSIVELY DURING WINTER OPERATIONS FOR THE PLOWING AND STANDING OF OUR MUNICIPAL ROADS.
DURING THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, THE UNITS ARE USED HAULAGE OF AGGREGATE HOT BAKES, ASPHALT AND MIXED MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ONGOING MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE, UPKEEP AND REPAIR DUTIES.
EACH TANDEM IS EQUIPPED WITH A SIDE LIFT TYPE BOX, FRONT MOUNTED, ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED SAND SPINNER.
THESE UNITS ARE EQUIPPED WITH A DRIVE IN STYLE PLOW HITCH TO ALLOW FOR QUICK DRESSING OF THE PLOW AND WING TO FACILITATE RESPONSE TIME DURING WINTER SNOW EVENTS.
SO THE CURRENTLY YOU SEE WE HAVE THE FOUR UNITS THAT WE HAVE ARE THEY'RE ALL FREIGHTLINER UNITS AND AS THE NEWEST ONE IS A 20, 20, 2017 AND A 2016.
AND THEN THERE'S THE SERVICE LIFE CONDITION REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE OF THE 2010 FREIGHTLINER, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT WOULD BE LOOKING NUMBER 65 TO BE REPLACED THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
THE 2010 FREIGHTLINER IS SCHEDULED FOR REPLACEMENT BASED ON ITS SERVICE HOURS IN OVERALL CONDITION UPON PROCUREMENT OF A NEW TANDEM PLOW TRUCK.
THE 2010 FREIGHTLINER WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE FLEET AND SOLD ON DEALS TENDER.
FL T 2020 2-01 WAS RELEASED IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR TO REQUEST BIDS FOR THE SUPPLY OF 110 M AXLE PLOW AND EQUIP TRUCK.
AS EXPLAINED EARLIER IN THE, THE TENDERS CALLED FOR SPECIFICS THAT MET OR EXCEEDED THE EXISTING FLEET SPECIFICATIONS ENCOURAGE STANDARDIZATION AND EXISTING EQUIPMENT WHERE POSSIBLE.
THE TENDER WAS ADVERTISED ON BIDS AND TENDERS WEBSITE.
ONE FIRM RESPONDED TO THE TENDER.
THE PRICE RECEIVED THROUGH THE TENDER SUBMISSION WAS AS FOLLOWS CMS TRUCKING 286,910 OR A FREIGHTLINER EQUIPPED WITH A VIKING PLOW EQUIPMENT.
A REVIEW OF THE TENDER PACKAGE WAS UNDERTAKEN WITH DAVE STEWART TO THE FLEET FOREMAN, A MECHANICAL FOREMAN, DIMENSIONAL AND PERFORMANCE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE SUBMISSIONS WERE REVIEWED AGAINST THE TENDER DOCUMENT AND FORMS OF EXISTING EQUIPMENT, SO THERE WAS NO BID. IRREGULARITIES WERE NOTED DURING THE TENDER REVIEWING PROCESS.
THERE WAS A TOTAL OF 284,928 THAT WAS BUDGETED IN THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THE TENDER PLOW TRUCK IN 2022.
CAPITAL WORKS BUDGET, TOTAL AMOUNT FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE NEW OF COURSE IS THE 286,910 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES, WHICH HAS A NET PRICE OF 1982 OVERBUDGET, WHICH WOULD BE FUNDED
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FROM THE WORKING FUNDS RESERVE.SO BASICALLY WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW, WE'RE ASKING TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS.
SO THE TANDEM AXLE PLOW TRUCKS ARE CRITICAL TO THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF OUR MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE AS THESE UNITS ARE BUILT TO SPECIFICATIONS.
PLACING THE ORDER NOW WILL HOPEFULLY ENSURE THAT THE UNIT IS DELIVERED IN ADVANCE OF THE UPCOMING WINTER SEASON.
IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE TENDER SUBMITTED BY TMS TRUCK CENTER LIMITED IN THE AMOUNT OF 286,910 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES FOR THE SUPPLY OF ONE FREIGHTLINER TANDEM PLOW TRUCK BE ACCEPTED. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
I THINK. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU, WORSHIP. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE BUYING THIS TRUCK.
I MET WITH MR. HALLOCH ABOUT IT AS WELL.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE A 2016 TRUCK THAT HAS ALMOST 2000 HOURS LESS THAN THIS.
THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO BE WANTING TO REPLACE THAT TRUCK NEXT YEAR.
MR. HALLOCH SAID THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THIS TRUCK.
I'M VERY UPSET AGAIN THAT WE SO WE JUST LOST OUR GRATER BECAUSE IT WAS DAMAGED.
NOW WE HAVE A DUMP TRUCK THAT WE WANT TO REPLACE IF IT'S DAMAGED.
WE WE HAVE TO FIND OUT WHY THEY'RE BEING DAMAGED.
AND I EVEN QUESTION MR. HALLOCK, MAYBE WE'RE BUYING THE WRONG TRACK, BUT HE SAYS, NO, THESE ARE THE RIGHT TRUCKS.
I AGREE WITH THEM. I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE TRUCKS, BUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SPEND $300,000 ON A NEW TRUCK COMPLETE BECAUSE THERE'S A CRACK IN THE FRAME. MR. HALLOCH HAS SAID THAT THAT TRUCK IS DUE FOR A FULL INSPECTION IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.
I WOULD RECOMMEND COUNCIL DEFER THIS UNTIL THE INSPECTION HAS COME FORWARD TO SEE WHAT IS WRONG. WE'RE BUYING IT A $300,000 TRUCK BECAUSE THERE'S A CRACK IN A FRAME, WHICH MEANS WE'RE REPLACING THE SNOWPLOW, THE SANDER, THE BOX.
WE'RE REPLACING THIS ENTIRE UNIT THAT WE TRADITIONALLY KEEP IN SERVICE TO 15000 HOURS.
SO WE'RE ANOTHER $100,000 IN VALUE IN THE THIRD OF ITS LIFE.
IF WE'RE GOING TO RUN THIS TO FULL SERVICE, WHICH IF IT'S 12 YEARS OLD, ANOTHER THIRD OF ITS LIFE IS ANOTHER THREE YEARS BEFORE WE REPLACE THIS VEHICLE.
SO I JUST CANNOT PRE-APPROVE THIS.
THE REASON I DON'T WANT TO SPEND $300,000 TO SAVE 20 OR $30,000 OR WHAT A CRACKED FRAME CAN BE REPAIRED IN THE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS WE MAY HAVE TO SHIP [INAUDIBLE].
AND IF WE CAN'T DO THAT WORK IN HOUSE.
BUT I JUST I CANNOT PRE-APPROVE A $300,000 EXPENDITURE ON SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT EVEN MADE IT TO THE END OF ITS LIFE CYCLE.
WHEN MR. HALLOCK SAYS THAT WE TRADITIONALLY START LOOKING TO REPLACE THEM AT 15000 HOURS AND WE'RE ONLY AT TEN WHEN WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT IS SIX YEARS NEWER AND DOESN'T HAVE 2000 HOURS LESS THAN THAT ON IT ALREADY.
WE'RE GOING DOWN A VERY, VERY BAD HILL.
SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF REPLACING THIS AT THIS TIME.
COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU WORSHIP.
WE WE SPEND AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY ON EQUIPMENT, A LOT OF A LOT OF MONEY AND CAPITAL ON HEAVY EQUIPMENT ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND THOUGH I DO AGREE WITH THE COUNCILLOR PATRIE THAT WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH SOME SPECIFIC EQUIPMENT.
I THINK OVERALL THE FLEET IS IN FAR BETTER SHAPE THAN IT HAS BEEN.
I'VE SAT AT THIS TABLE WHERE WE'VE REPLACED FRAME RAILS ON STERLING TRUCKS, AND THEN WE SEE THAT SAME TRUCK THE NIGHT OF A CHRISTMAS PARADE BROKEN DOWN ON THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE OF THE ENGINES BEING BLOWN.
SO YOU HAVE TO REPLACE AN ENGINE IN A TRUCK THAT YOU JUST REPLACED FRAME RAILS IN.
AT WHAT POINT DO YOU SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, GET SOME VALUE OUT OF THE VEHICLE AND THEN START AGAIN? YES, THIS DOES APPEAR TO BE A LITTLE PREMATURE, BUT WHEN WE HAVE THAT DECISION ABOUT REPLACING FRAME RAILS, I PERSONALLY MADE THE DECISION.
I'M NOT SPENDING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD.
I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND AND SUPPORTS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.
YES, EVEN THOUGH IT IS BUDGETED, IT STILL HAS TO BE BUDGETED FOR.
AND I THINK WE RELY ON OUR STAFF TO GIVE US THE BEST POSSIBLE INFORMATION.
AND I BELIEVE TONIGHT WE HAVE THAT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF KILOMETERS TO PLOW EVERY WINTER.
AND IF WE'RE ORDERING IT NOW, WHILE THERE'S STILL SNOW ON THE GROUND AND HOPEFULLY TO HAVE SNOW UNFORTUNATELY ON THE GROUND THIS WEDNESDAY AND HOPEFULLY THIS TRUCK WILL BE IN BEFORE WE START SNOWING AGAIN THIS UPCOMING WINTER.
I JUST CAN'T DELAY THINGS LIKE THIS.
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I'M NOT PREPARED TO PUT THIS MUNICIPALITY DOWN TO THREE TRUCKS FOR NEXT WINTER BECAUSE THAT'S THE DECISION WE HAVE TO MAKE TONIGHT.AND AGAIN, I REALIZE COUNCILLOR YOU AND I COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF ALL DAY, BUT I'M NOT PREPARED TO START REPLACING THINGS ON THOSE TRUCKS LIKE THAT.
SO I'M GOING TO SUPPORT IT TONIGHT AND IF WE NEED TO CLEARLY, EVERYTHING IN OUR FLEET NOW IS FREIGHTLINER ALL FOR TRUCKS.
SO THERE'S A REASON WE'RE GETTING THOSE FREIGHT LINERS AND MAYBE WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. AND I'M SURE IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE WITH WITH THE REPS, BUT I WILL SUPPORT IT FOR TONIGHT. THANK YOU.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU, RICHARD.
THANK YOU TO MR. HALLOCH FOR THE REPORT.
IF THAT FOURTH TRUCK WAS TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST TO THE MUNICIPALITY? WOULD IT BE OVERTIME FOR THE OPERATORS TO HAVE TO MAKE UP THE WORK THAT THAT THAT THAT TRUCK WOULD DO? WHAT WOULD. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT? CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IF YOU HAD TO GO DOWN TO THREE TRUCKS? I UNDERSTAND THAT FOUR IS WHAT YOU NEED, BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US MAYBE THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF WHAT IT WOULD BE IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS AND THEN WE HAD A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE AND WE DID, WE HAD TO GO DOWN TO THREE OR SOMETHING ELSE BROKEN.
THERE IS WHERE THE BIGGEST THING LIES IS WE FOLLOW A MINIMUM MAINTENANCE STANDARDS WHEN IT COMES TO WINTER CONDITIONS.
YES, THE CREW DOES STAY ABOVE THE ACTUAL MINIMUM MAINTENANCE STANDARDS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. SO IF WE LOST THE TRUCK OUT OF THERE AND IT DID HAPPEN A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN WE PASSED BUDGET, I BELIEVE IN 2018 OR 19, WE PASSED BUDGET IN JULY AND WE DIDN'T END UP GETTING A TRUCK AND WE RAN WITH THREE FOR A WHILE.
SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THE SERVICE SECTIONS, THE TRUCKS ARE ALL COMMITTED TO CERTAIN AREAS WHEN THEY GET CALLED OUT.
SO WHETHER IT'S ALL THE WAY OUT IN THE SOUTH BAY OR DUNLOP SHORES ROAD, YOU HAVE A TRUCK OUT THERE. IT'LL BE AN AREA THAT ACTUALLY YOU WOULD BE PAYING OVERTIME TO HAVE SOMEBODY GET TO THAT AREA. ANOTHER AREA THAT'S ALREADY HAD A TRUCK COMMITTED TO IT.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE ENDED UP GOING DOWN ONE MORE TRUCK EARLIER THAN THAT.
THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT HAPPENS.
AND WHEN WE'RE REMOVING SNOWBANKS, THE BEST THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF CONTRACTED SERVICES FROM RENTING TRUCKS THAT ARE VERY EXPENSIVE FROM OTHER PEOPLE TO FILL UP AND DUMP THE SNOW OFF OUR STREETS.
SO HAVING FOUR TRUCKS NOW, WE DIDN'T RENT ANY TRUCKS THIS YEAR TO BEGIN TO START TO REMOVE THE SNOW WHERE IF ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE DOWN ONE TRUCK, POSSIBLY TWO, YOU'RE RENTING THE TRUCK. SO IT'S A VERY COSTLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THAT.
SO YEAH, IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU COULD BE JEOPARDIZING YOUR MINIMUM MAINTENANCE STANDARDS OF GETTING TO THE AREAS YOU NEED TO GET TO ON TIME, WHICH OPENS UP THE DOOR FOR OTHER THINGS AND AND THE COST OF OVERTIME FOR SOMEBODY TO GET TO IT LATER.
FOLLOW-UP COUNCILLOR FINNAMORE.
THANK YOU. I WOULD SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT BECAUSE I'M SURE EVERY RESIDENT IN ELLIOT LAKE WILL TELL YOU THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW FAST YOUR SERVICE IS GETTING THE ROADS DONE.
IT'S NEVER FAST ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY.
AND I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE US BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY HAVING TO HAVE THINGS DONE THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE THAT WE CAN'T DONE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT YOU DO.
I'M SURE YOU DON'T SIT IN YOUR OFFICE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND $300,000 OUT OF A BUDGET WHEN YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SO MUCH TO DO.
SO I TRUST THAT YOUR MECHANICS AND YOU HAVE MADE THE BEST DECISION, AND I WILL SUPPORT THIS. QUESTION.
MR. HALLOCH, ARE THESE FREIGHT LINERS RUNNING THE CUMMINS DIESEL ENGINES? CORRECT. THEY ARE. YEAH.
AND JUST SO WE CAN GO ACROSS AND ON TO IT'S THE OTHER THINGS.
I'VE SAT DOWN AND TALKED WITH THE MECHANICS AND I'M GLAD COUNCILLOR MANN EXPLAINED THE SITUATION FROM BEFORE BECAUSE THEY DID TALK ABOUT SWITCHING OUT THE FRAME RAILS BEFORE AND THEN IT TURNED INTO SPRING HANGERS, CROSS MEMBERS, BRACKETS, OTHER THINGS THAT GO AROUND THERE, THERE IS 11000 HOURS AND YOU WISH TO GET 15,000 AT THE OTHER THINGS WE COULD ALSO KNOW WITH WHEN PURCHASING THINGS AROUND IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE REGARDLESS OF ITS FREIGHT LINE OR WHATEVER, THEY'RE NOT BUILT LIKE THEY USED TO BE BUILT.
AND NOW WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE USING BECAUSE OF THE WET WEATHER EVENTS NOW IN THE WINTERS, IS YOU'VE GOT YOUR SALT ENHANCERS AS WELL, WHICH IS REALLY HARD ON VEHICLES.
SO ONE THING THAT WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT IS BECAUSE WE RUN A NIGHT AND A DAY CREW AND A NIGHT CREW IS REALLY GETTING THESE TRUCKS WASHED UP AND MADE SURE THAT THEY'RE GREASED IN ALL THE RIGHT SPOTS AND EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN IS IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING TO SOME OF THESE POINTS AND SALT SITTING ON THEM FOR LONGER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE, THEN THEN IT TURNS INTO SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY GETTING DOWN TO WITH WITH INVESTIGATING THE TRUCKS, DOING THE CIRCLE CHECKS AND WASHING THEM, WASHING THEM A LOT BETTER, NOT HAVING ANYTHING
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SIT IN THEM. SO SO WE CAN PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE PREMATURELY THAT WAY.BUT I DO AGREE WITH MOVING ON WITH THE PURCHASE.
SO WE DO GET THE TRUCK HOPEFULLY FOR NEXT WINTER BEFORE THE SNOW COMES DOWN AGAIN.
A ROLL CALL VOTE. COUNCILLOR MANN IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU. MR. HALLOCH 7.6 REFERRAL FROM THE MARCH 21, 2022 PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITTEE MEETING OF CANADA REPORT.
COUNCILLOR MANN ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE.
THANK YOU AGAIN. YOUR WORSHIP AGAIN AT THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE HELD ON MONDAY, MARCH 21ST. THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED.
THAT STAFF REPORT DATED MARCH 10TH, 2022 OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS BE RECEIVED AND THAT BE FORWARDED TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND THE CURRENT LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN NAV CANADA AND THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE FOR AN ADDITIONAL TEN YEAR PERIOD AT A COST OF ONE DOLLARS PER YEAR ENDING AUGUST 1ST, 2031.
NICE WILL MOVE. SECONDER, COUNCILOR TURNER.
THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH. A QUICK OVERVIEW.
YEAH, SO A BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THIS ONE IS NAV CANADA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL IN CANADA AND IS NOT FOR PROFIT CORPORATION SIMI VALLEY, LAKE AND NAV CANADA AND ENTERED INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT SUPPLIED TRANSPORT CANADA WITH A PARCEL OF LAND AT THE ELLIOT LAKE AIRPORT.
THE HOST A BUILDING CONTAINING BOTH THE WEATHER CAMERA AND THE PERIPHERAL PILOT AIR LINK COMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT.
NAV CANADA REQUIRES THE LAND FOR COMMUNICATION BETWEEN PILOTS AND AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS. THE CAMERA PROVIDES AUTOMATED WEATHER CONDITIONS FOR THE USERS OF THE AIRPORT. THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE ENTERED INTO A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH TRANSPORT CANADA FOR A PARCEL OF LAND WHICH WAS EXECUTED AND DELIVERED ON THE 12TH DAY OF AUGUST 1981.
THE LEASE WAS ASSIGNED TO NAV CANADA ON MARCH 12, 1997, WHO HAS CONTINUED TO OCCUPY THE LAND AT A COST OF A DOLLAR PER YEAR.
SO BASICALLY IN SUMMARY, BY AMENDING THE CURRENT AGREEMENT, THIS WILL ALLOW NAV CANADA TO CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE UPDATED INFORMATION TO BOTH PILOTS AND AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS AS WELL AS OFFER AUTOMATED WEATHER CONDITIONS.
IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
SO THEN WE'LL CALL THEM COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
IN FAVOR COUNCILLOR FINAMORE IN FAVOR COUNCILOR TURNER FAVOR.
IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED A 7.7 REFERRAL FROM MARCH 21ST, 2022.
PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITTEE MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS AT WESTVIEW PARK COUNCILLOR MANN ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE. THANK YOU.
WORSHIP THE FINAL ITEM FROM THE MARCH 21ST, 2022 PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE THAT WAS MOVED AND PASSED TO FORWARD TO COUNCIL THAT THE PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS TO COUNCIL THAT THE MUSICAL SENSORY EQUIPMENT BE RELOCATED FROM WESTVIEW PARK TO THE FIRE TOWER LOOKOUT PARK. AND THAT PHASE TWO SENSORY EQUIPMENT TAKE THE PLACE OF THE MUSICAL SENSORY EQUIPMENT AT WESTVIEW PARK AND THEY WILL MOVE THERE.
A SECONDARY COUNCILLOR TURNER THANK YOU.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. COUNCILLOR MANN THANK YOU.
I DON'T KNOW. THE YEAR OF THE INSTALLATION, THERE WERE SOME MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS AS THE AS THE RESOLUTION INDICATES, INSTALLED IN THE PLAY AREA OF WESTVIEW PARK SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE INTENT OF THE MUSICAL EQUIPMENT WAS TO BENEFIT INDIVIDUALS WITH AUTISM.
WHAT HAS UNFORTUNATELY OCCURRED IS OUTSIDE OF REGULAR PARK HOURS, WE'LL CALL IT, IS THE EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN USED IN A MANNER THAT HAS BEEN UNFORTUNATELY DETRIMENTAL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, WEEKENDS, ALL THROUGHOUT UNREASONABLE HOURS WHERE THIS EQUIPMENT WAS BEING USED BY INDIVIDUALS IN THE PARK ESSENTIALLY AT NIGHT.
AND I KNOW AT LEAST SEVERAL MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, INCLUDING YOURSELF, YOUR WORSHIP AND MYSELF, HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
AND I BELIEVE THE SUMMER OF 2019, THE ACTUAL HEADS ON THE MUSICAL MUSICAL EQUIPMENT WERE REMOVED FROM THE PARK, THEREFORE ELIMINATING THE THE NOISE OR THE DISTURBANCES IN THE EVENINGS. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT THIS IT'S COME TO THIS THAT THIS EQUIPMENT COULDN'T BE LEFT THERE. HOWEVER, HAVING THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT BACKING ON TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA REALLY HASN'T BEEN CONDUCIVE TO THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
SO IT HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN WRITTEN UP BY BY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
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AND THIS WAS THE DECISION OF COMMITTEE LAST WEEK TO OFFICIALLY REMOVE THE INSTALLATION AND HAVE IT RELOCATED TO THE FIRE TOWER LOOKOUT, AN AREA WHERE IT IS NOT SURROUNDED BY ANY RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AND AT LEAST THAT WAY THE EQUIPMENT CAN STILL BE ENJOYED.I DON'T THINK COMMITTEE WANTED IT TO BE INSTALLED OR NOT, NOT RATHER INSTALLED AND BE LEFT SOMEWHERE IN A WAREHOUSE.
THAT'S NOT REALLY THE INTENTION AND THAT THE THE FORMER LOCATION WOULD BE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF, AS IS INDICATED, THE PHASE TWO EQUIPMENT BE INSTALLED IN IT'S IN ITS REPLACEMENT. BUT THANK YOU.
QUESTIONS. COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION AS IT'S WRITTEN BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT IT. GOING UP TO THE FIRE TOWER.
PARK THAT IS ACCESSIBLE BY OUR CITY BUS ROUTE.
AND I SEE I TRAVEL THE HIGHWAY A LOT AND I SEE A LOT OF MOMS AND KIDS GETTING OFF THE BUS AND WALKING OVER TO THE PARK.
AND I THINK THAT WE ARE BY NOT KEEPING IT WITHIN THE CITY WHERE THERE'S A BUS ROUTE THAT WE ARE ESSENTIALLY DENYING PEOPLE THAT MIGHT USE IT, ACCESS TO IT.
SO I'M SORRY IT HAD TO COME TO THIS FOR THE SAKE OF SOME TEENAGERS AT NIGHT.
AND I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER SOLUTION TO THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW FAMILIES THAT HAVE BENEFITED FROM USING THIS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT MOVING IT UP OUT OF THE UP TO THE FIRE TOWER, LAKOTA IS A SOLUTION THAT I CAN SUPPORT.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I'M GOING TO AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THIS HAS BEEN A ISSUE WITH SEVERAL, SEVERAL RESIDENTS.
AT THE NORTHERN END OF THE LAKE, A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT ON A BODY OF WATER IS GOING TO ECHO EXTREMELY. GAIA TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WATER CARRIES THAT SOUND DRASTICALLY.
I DO AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE RELOCATED.
WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE SUCH A CONCERN TO THE NEIGHBORS WHEN IT WAS PUT IN. WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW LONG, HOW LOUD THIS EQUIPMENT WAS GOING TO BE.
I'M GOING TO PUT A RESOLUTION ON THE FLOOR BECAUSE I THINK STAFF CAN COME BACK TO US.
WE HAVEN'T GIVEN THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO VET ANY OF THIS.
THIS WAS A LETTER THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE, AND I'LL LET STAFF COME BACK IF THEY NEED TO OR IF THEY CAN MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT US.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO STOP THIS REFERRAL AT.
THE ENDING WILL JUST MAKE IT MAKE AN AMENDMENT THAT IT STATES THAT THAT THE PUBLIC SERVICES COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THE COUNCIL NOW TAKE THAT OUT OF THERE.
THE COUNCIL RECOMMENDS THE MUSICAL SENSORY EQUIPMENT BE RELOCATED FROM WESTVIEW PARK AND A STAFF NEEDS TO COME BACK.
THEY CAN COME BACK IF THEY REQUIRE US TO GIVE THEM A DECISION AS TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION.
BUT I DO AGREE THAT WE DO HAVE TO TAKE OR NOT REINSTALL THESE PIECES WHERE THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY LOCATED PRIOR TO COVID.
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU UNDERSTOOD MY.
GET IT. VIRTUALLY THE COUNCIL RECOMMEND.
THAT THE MUSICAL SENSORY EQUIPMENT BE RELOCATED FROM WESTVIEW PARK.
SO WE NEED. BUT IS THERE A SECOND OR FOR THE AMENDMENT? SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
DISCUSSION ON THIS COUNCILLOR MANN.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. MY ONLY CONCERN IS, IS WE DID DISCUSS THAT COMMITTEE, THE FACT OF RELOCATING THIS AND WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY OTHER PARKS THAT ARE NOT NEAR RESIDENTIAL AREAS OTHER THAN CURRENTLY.
I DON'T WANT THIS PARKED IN A WAREHOUSE FOR YEARS.
KNOW AT LEAST THIS WAY IT'S BEING REDEPLOYED AND.
I THINK THE CONCERN IS RIGHT NOW THE MUSICAL ATTACHMENTS TO THE STRUCTURE ARE NOT ON THIS IN THE PARK. SO THERE IS NO CONCERN AT THIS POINT.
I THINK WE'VE MADE A DECISION AT COMMITTEE AT LEAST TO HAVE IT REMOVED.
SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO COME OUT.
I DON'T WANT TO SEND A SIGNAL TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE JUST GOING TO PULL IT OUT AND
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PARK IT SOMEWHERE.CLEARLY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET REALLY OPERATIONAL.
IF THIS IS WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN TO SUPPORT THIS TONIGHT, GREAT.
BUT I THINK STAFF HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
YOU CAN'T GO OVER TO THE SPINE BEACH BODY OF WATER.
IT CAN'T GO TO OTHER PARKS IN TOWN BECAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE VERY RARE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S THE PROXIMITY TO THE TREE LINE AND TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA ON ON AT WEST PARK IS THE OTHER CONCERN.
IT'S NOT AS IF IT'S IN THE FAR END OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PARK.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE CONCERN.
SO AGAIN, I'LL IF STAFF WANTS TO WEIGH IN, BUT AGAIN, I JUST DON'T WANT IT SITTING SOMEWHERE FOREVER.
COUNCILOR TURNER. THIS SUMMER.
MY THOUGHTS ARE IN LINE WITH THE COUNCILLOR MANN WHAT'S WHAT PUBLIC SERVICE COMMITTEE WAS LOOKING FOR HERE WAS REMOVE THE MUSICAL.
WELL, COUNCILLOR MANN POINTED OUT.
NOBODY'S BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH A WHERE EXCEPT FOR THE FIRE TOWER.
AND AS FOR WESTVIEW PARK, THOSE INSTRUMENTS WILL BE REPLACED BECAUSE WE ORDERED MORE SENSORY EQUIPMENT AND.
THERE WILL BE NO LOSS DOWN AT WESTFIELD PARK.
THERE'S SOMETHING ADDED TO THE FIRE TOWER AND WESTVIEW PARK GETS ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT IN THE SENSORY PARK.
SO. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR TURNER.
I'M AN AGREEMENT. ALSO, WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE EQUIPMENT IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE DID DISCUSS AT COMMITTEE LEVEL.
ALL THE DIFFERENT PARTS AND EVERY LOCATION IN THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO CAUSE A NUISANCE FOR NEIGHBORS. THE ONLY PLACES THEY CAN GO CAMPING AT A SPINE BEACH CAN'T PUT IT AT SPRUCE BEACH, CAN'T PUT IT AT THE KIWANIS PARK, CAN'T PUT IT AT THE PARK.
THESE ARE ALL CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTS AROUND THE WATER.
SO WE HAVE THE LOOKOUT TOWER OR THE HIGHWAY 108 TURNOFF.
DEER TRAIL HAD A LITTLE PARK THAT COULD GO OUT.
SO WE DO HAVE A EQUIPMENT PHASE, TOO.
AS COUNCILOR TURNER MENTIONED, EQUIPMENT SITTING IN STORAGE WAITING TO BE INSTALLED.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE THESE SITTING IN A WAREHOUSE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
I THINK THEY SHOULD BE PUT SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CAN USE.
IT COULD BE VERY UNFORTUNATE FOR THAT LOSS.
I JUST WANT TO BE AGAIN VERY, VERY CLEAR.
THE INTENDED USE OF THIS EQUIPMENT IS NOT THE NUISANCE, IT'S THE UNINTENDED USE OF THIS EQUIPMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT THAT IS BECOMING PROBLEMATIC FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD IN TOWN. THE RATIONALE FOR THE EQUIPMENT FOR INDIVIDUALS WITH AUTISM STILL HOLDS.
IT'S JUST NOT AT THREE IN THE MORNING WHEN THE PARK IS CLOSED AND IT'S QUIET HOURS.
I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR TO THE COMMUNITY ON THAT PEACE.
THANK YOU, MR. DANIEL. NEVER MIND.
NO. WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS, WILL.
WE'LL FOLLOW WHATEVER COUNCIL THEY'RE ACCESS TO.
WE'RE PUTTING A PARK IN YOUR BACKYARD, MR. DANIEL COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
AND. I'M WONDERING WHAT PLACE THE OPP AND BYLAW HAVE WITHIN THIS DISCUSSION.
THERE'S VANDALISM AT OTHER PARKS.
I WOULD CALL THIS VANDALISM AND.
IF THEY CAN PLAY A MORE SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN HELPING US ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE EXCESSIVE NOISE AT NIGHT.
THE. I FORGOT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
KIWANIS PARK. THERE'S BEEN VANDALISM.
SHOULD WE BE INSTALLING CAMERAS? SHOULD WE BE DOING SOMETHING TO BE MORE ACTIVELY PURSUING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING A PROBLEM THAN PUNISHING THE FAMILIES WITH AUTISTIC CHILDREN? I THINK THE VANDALISM ISN'T ISN'T THE NOISE.
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS WORKING CITIZENS TRYING TO SLEEP OR BEING WOKEN UP AT THREE IN THE MORNING. AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY HAVE CALLED THE POLICE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
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NIGHT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, ONCE YOU'RE UP AT THREE IN THE MORNING, YOU'RE NIGHT'S NIGHT SLEEP AS IS ALREADY DONE.AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE CHILDREN WITH AUTISM.
THERE IS ADDITIONAL EQUIPMENT THAT CAN BE PLACED THERE.
IT'S CAUSING A NIGHT NUISANCE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA.
AND I KNOW MYSELF, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE WOKEN UP AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING ON A REGULAR BASIS WHEN WE HAVE TO WORK THE NEXT DAY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST MEANT IF THERE WAS CAMERAS THERE, IF MAYBE WE COULD CATCH SOME OF THE CULPRITS, I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE WOKE UP EITHER.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF OTHER SOLUTIONS.
COUNCILLOR MANN. HEY HERE I SHUT MY ONLY COMMENT REGARDING THE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THAT'S PROBABLY BETTER HELD AT THE BY LAW COMMITTEE BY LAW IS AVAILABLE IT DEPENDS HOW MUCH WE WANT TO SPEND FOR BY LAW ENFORCEMENT.
SO MAYBE THAT'S A BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING AS WELL.
BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S A LONGER DISCUSSION.
UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS NOT THE WAY THAT WE WANT TO RESOLVE ISSUES IN THIS COMMUNITY.
BUT AT THIS POINT, WITH THIS PARTICULAR MATTER, I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO RESOLVE IT. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
MISS BREAKING. YOU READ THE AMENDMENT TO ONCE AGAIN.
SO THE AMENDMENT IS THAT THE MUSICAL SENSORY EQUIPMENT BE RELOCATED FROM WESTVIEW PARK.
COUNCILLOR TURNER. HOST AND I'M OPPOSED.
THEN IT'S NOT PASSED BACK TO THE ORIGINAL MOTION.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? FOR LOCAL COUNCILOR TURNER FAVOR COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
A POST. YOU COUNCILLOR PATRIE OPPOSED COUNCILLOR MANN IN FAVOR.
THANK YOU. 7.8 REFERRAL FROM THE MINERS MEMORIAL NAME SELECTION COMMITTEE.
RE ADDITIONAL ADDITION TO THE MINERS MEMORIAL WALL COUNCILLOR PEARCE DID NOT HEAR HOW THIS MET THE MARCH 24, 2022 MINERS MEMORIAL GAME SELECTION COMMITTEE MEETING.
THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE FOLLOWING NAMES BE REFERRED TO STAFF FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.
RAYMOND BEAULIEU, JOHN HAMRE AND FELIX SALMON AND THE AT THE FOLLOWING NAMES BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL FOR AN INDUCTION TO THE MINERS MEMORIAL WALL.
JULIAN MARKERT, GIUSEPPE CASSINO AND PAUL TRUDEL.
CAN I HAVE A MOVE OF THIS? GO BUY COUNCILLOR TURNER SECOND OR SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
THANK YOU. AND YOU DO? WHO WOULD I GET TO GIVE US EXTRA INFORMATION ON THIS? WOULD THAT BE MS.. CLARK? IT'S JUST A MATTER OF. ALL RIGHT, PERFECT.
THANK YOU. THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP AT THE MINERS MEMORIAL NAME SELECTION COMMITTEE HELD LAST THURSDAY ON MARCH 24TH, 22, A RESOLUTION WAS PASSED TO REFER THREE NAMES BACK TO STAFF TO GATHER FURTHER INFORMATION, AS THEY DID NOT MEET THE CRITERIA TO BE INDUCTED TO THE MEMORIAL WALL. AND FOUR NAMES WERE APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE TO BE REFERRED TO COUNCIL FOR YOUR FINAL APPROVAL.
SO IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE COMMITTEE THAT THE PROPOSED NAMES BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL TO BE ANNOUNCED AT THE APRIL 28, 2022 DAY OF MOURNING CEREMONY AND ENGRAVED ONTO THE MEMORIAL WALL ONCE THE FOURTH COLUMN IS INSTALLED, AS THERE IS CURRENTLY ONLY ONE PLACE AVAILABLE ON OUR CURRENT COLUMNS.
ALL NEW INDUCTEES WILL BE ENGRAVED AT THE SAME TIME ONCE THE NEW COLUMN IS ERECTED WITH NO PREFERENCE OR PRIORITY FOR WHOSE NAME WILL FILL THE LAST REMAINING SLOT ON THE THIRD WALL AND WHOSE NAMES WILL BE ADDED TO THE FOURTH.
AND THE COST TO ENGRAVE THE NAMES OF THE NEW INDUCTEES ONTO THE MEMORIAL WALL WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE MINERS MEMORIAL CARE FUNDS.
SO TO CONCLUDE, IT IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE MINERS MEMORIAL SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT THE FOLLOWING NAMES BE ADDED TO THE MINERS MEMORIAL WALL.
AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY MISPRONUNCIATIONS, BUT THEY ARE AS FOLLOWS RONALD JOHNSON, JULIAN, MARCO, GIUSEPPE AQUINO AND PAUL TRUDEAU, AND THAT THESE NAMES BE ANNOUNCED AT THE DATE OF OPENING CEREMONY AND ENGRAVED ONCE THE FOURTH COLUMN HAS BEEN INSTALLED.
THANK YOU AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, MR. MATO. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL?
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THEN WE WILL SEE YOU ON THE DAY OF MOURNING.MISS D'AMATO WILL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
IN FAVOR COUNCILLOR FINAMORE FAVOR KELS RETURNER FAVOR COUNCILLOR MANN IN FAVOR.
I'M IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED EIGHT OUTSIDE BOARD AND COMMITTEE REPORTING THERE IS NONE NINE UNFINISHED BUSINESS COMMUNITY REC HUB UPDATE STANDING ITEM.
[9. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]
JUST REMINDER THAT THIS WEDNESDAY, MARCH 30TH AT 7:00 PM AT THE COMMONS HALL, THERE'LL BE A TOWN HALL MEETING WITH PRESENTATIONS TO GO OVER THE NEWEST INFORMATION, GET TO PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH WILL BE FORWARDED FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION FOR A SPECIAL MEETING THE FOLLOWING WEEK.MR. DANIEL, IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? I KNOW WE'RE MEETING WITH MINISTERS IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS ALSO ON THIS.
YEAH, JUST A REMINDER THAT THERE'S A SORT OF A DROP IN SESSION WITH ADMINISTRATION.
MR. ANTUNEZ AND I WILL BE THERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND WALK PEOPLE THROUGH FROM 3 TO 5:00 PM JUST FOR GENERAL CUES AND A'S AND THEN FEEDBACK SESSION AT 7:00 PM.
TOWN HALL, AS YOU MENTIONED, AND WITH A VIEW OF TRYING TO GET SOME DIRECTION AND CLARITY ON WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS MIGHT BE IN CASE WE ARE ABLE TO CORNER A MINISTER WHEN WE'RE IN TORONTO IN MID-APRIL.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SEND MY REGRETS.
UNFORTUNATELY, I'M HEADING DOWN SOUTH FOR A FAMILY FUNERAL SO I WON'T BE ABLE TO ATTEND.
BUT I WILL PROMISE TO WATCH THE PRESENTATION AND TO READ ALL THE INFORMATION.
I KNOW I REQUESTED THIS MEETING.
I FEEL VERY BAD THAT I WON'T BE AT IT, BUT I.
I WILL DO MY DUE DILIGENCE AND CATCH UP AS WE GO ALONG JUST THE WAY IT WILL BE BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
WE LOSE THE ABILITY SO OF EASTLINK BROADCAST.
SO WE WILL BE YOU TUBE LIVE STREAMING THE MEETING RECORDING AS WELL AND UPLOADING THE VIDEO TO OUR USUAL COUNCIL WEBCAST SECTION ON THE WEBSITE.
HOPEFULLY THE NEXT DAY, BARRING ANY TECHNICAL HICCUPS AND DOING OUR BEST TO END, WE WILL HAVE DRYER SHEETS THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE WITH THEM AND PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS TO US AFTER THE MEETING AS WELL. IF THEY'VE HAD TIME TO ABSORB THE INFORMATION, THAT WILL GIVE AN ADDITIONAL WEEK FOR COUNCIL TO GET FEEDBACK AND HAVE THAT ACCUMULATED FOR US, CORRECT? YES, THAT WILL COMPLETE EVERYTHING WE CAN.
IT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT SCIENTIFIC.
IT'S IT'S SIMPLY AN EFFORT FOR TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON WHAT DECISIONS THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO WEIGH IN ON IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO GIVE US DIRECTION AS THE STAFF LEVEL AS TO WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH OUR REC FACILITIES, PAST AND OR PRESENT AND FUTURE. THANK YOU.
OKAY. ANY MORE QUESTIONS WITH THIS OR GOOD FOR GOOD FOR NOW.
ANYTHING NEW ON THAT FRONT? STILL WAITING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ANNOUNCE OUR FUNDING AND OR CONTINUING TO WORK ON PLANS FOR MAKING THE REEL TO REEL CINEMA AN INTERIM SHORT TERM HOME TO GET SUITABLE ARTS STUDIO SPACE FOR OUR STAKEHOLDERS.
AND SO WE'RE DOING BOTH AT THE SAME TIME AND HOPING FOR THAT FUNDING TO COME THROUGH OR SOME CLARITY ON THAT AT LEAST SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON AS WELL.
THANK YOU. 9.3 RESIDENTIAL WATERFRONT.
9.4 COVID 19 UPDATE ANY NEW INFORMATION ON THIS ONE? NOT REALLY, NO. AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, LAST MEETING, WE LIFTED SEVERAL OF OUR MANDATES AND WE REINSTITUTED THE TRANSIT FEES AS OF APRIL 1ST.
AND WE CONTINUE TO READ AND MONITOR AND DO WHAT BEST WE CAN TO STAY SAFE WHILE BEING IN THIS SORT OF UNIQUE PHASE AND OPEN TO ANY FEEDBACK THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE ON THAT OTHERWISE STATUS QUO. THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL ON COVID? I KEEP. TEN PETITIONS ARE NONE.
11 CORRESPONDENCE THERE ARE NONE.
12 NOTICE OF MOTION THERE ARE NONE.
13 COUNCIL'S REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.
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I DON'T HAVE ANY.ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THE UPCOMING COMMUNITY EVENTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. HAS ANYONE GOT ANYTHING THEY'D LIKE FOR COUNCIL'S REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS? SEE, NONE OF IT WILL HIT THE BIG TICKET ITEMS. THAT'S ANYTHING IN THE CHECK, RIGHT? OVER 20,000. WE HAVE ALGOMA DISTRICT SERVICES ADMINISTRATION BOARD QUARTERLY LEVY AT
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186,770 258.AT 35,000 AND THEN ANOTHER AT 48,000.
WE HAVE GFL ENVIRONMENTAL CURBSIDE PICKUP AT 40,300.
WE HAVE HYDRO ONE NETWORKS AT 52,082.
AGENCY LINE CONTRACTORS, CHARGING STATIONS.
25,900. RENEWABLE ENERGY FOR REGULAR GAS AND AIRPORT FUEL AND DIESEL AT 55,000.
[INAUDIBLE] CAN I HAVE A MOVER TO APPROVE THE ADDENDUM GOING ON THE AGENDA?
[14. ADDENDUM]
MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? THEN WE'LL CALL COUNCILLOR MANN.
IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THAT'S CARRIED 14.1 REPORT FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER RE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH MISSISSAUGA PARK.
THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE CDO RE THE MANAGING MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT FROM THE PREVENTION PART BE RECEIVED AND THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE ASSIGNMENT OF THE EXISTING MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE PROVINCE TO NEWLY INCORPORATED MISSISSAUGA PARK FOUNDATION . 13482685, CANADA FOUNDATION.
THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE CITY ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE FOUNDATION TO OPERATE THE PARK FOR 2022 SEASON USING THE SAME TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THE ORIGINAL MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT. BY COUNCILLOR MANN SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.
DANIEL BECAUSE I KNOW THE INFORMATION JUST HIT YOU HERE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ADDENDUM, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AS QUICKLY AS THE PROVINCIAL BUREAUCRATS, AND I'VE NEVER SAID THAT BEFORE IN MY CAREER, BUT THEY'RE MOVING QUITE QUICKLY.
SO WE WANT TO MATCH THEIR SPEED.
WE'VE COUNCIL IS AWARE WE'VE HAD A MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE PROVINCE TO RUN THE MISSISSAUGA PARK SINCE THE PROVINCE ALL BUT ABANDONED IT IN 2014.
BUT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A NEW PARTNERSHIP THAT IS STARTING TO TAKE ROOT WITH MISSISSAUGA FIRST NATION AND A SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION, WHERE TO THE POINT WHERE WE'VE RECENTLY INCORPORATED THE MISSISSAUGA PARK FOUNDATION AS A FEDERAL CORPORATION THAT WILL BE RUNNING THE PARK AS EARLY AS JANUARY ONE, 2023, WITH OUR TWO NEW EQUAL PARTNERS.
BUT WE HAD A BRIEFING RECENTLY WITH THE MINISTER OF ENVIRONMENT AND PARKS, DAVID PICCINI, ON MARCH 14TH, WHERE WE FINALLY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE TWO CHIEFS AND THE MAYOR TO BRIEF THE PROVINCE, THE CROWN, TO SAY, WE WOULD LIKE THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH IS STILL SOLELY WITH THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THIS FOUNDATION SO THAT WE CAN START THE BALL ROLLING WITH THIS NEW PARTNERSHIP AND HAVE AN AGREEMENT AS SOON AS PRACTICABLE WHERE THE FOUNDATION IS THE SIGNATORY TO THIS MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT.
EVEN IF WE'RE A LITTLE BIT EARLY, WE THOUGHT IT BEST BECAUSE OF THE PROVINCIAL ELECTION THAT'S COMING.
IN THE OFF CHANCE THAT THERE IS A GOVERNMENT CHANGE OR EVEN A CABINET SHUFFLE COULD DELAY THINGS. SO THE REQUEST OF THE MINISTER WAS TO TAKE THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, TRANSFER IT TO THE FOUNDATION, AND THEN FOR THIS 2022 OPERATING SEASON, THE FOUNDATION WILL SUBCONTRACT THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PARK TO THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED COUNSEL'S PERMISSION, OF COURSE, BECAUSE UNDER OUR AGREEMENT THERE IS A CLAUSE ABOUT ASSIGNING THE AGREEMENT, SO HENCE THE WORDING.
AND THE MOTION IS A LITTLE BIT LEGALESE BECAUSE THE PROVINCIAL LAWYERS WANTED TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE CONSENTED AND AGREED THAT WE TRANSFER THE CURRENT MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT TO THE FOUNDATION.
AND THEN MINUTES AFTER, SHORTLY AFTER, THE FOUNDATION WILL SIGN AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY TO RUN THE PARK FOR 2022.
IT'S LARGELY A PAPER EXERCISE.
THERE IS NO FUNCTIONAL CHANGE TO THE PARK GOVERNANCE IN 2022.
IT STILL WILL BE MANAGED BY THE CITY FROM A FUNCTIONAL OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT.
BUT THE NEW FOUNDATION IT WILL GIVE A CHANCE TO ENTRENCH THE NEW FOUNDATION WITH SOME LEGITIMACY. AND OUR TWO NEW PARTNERS WILL SPEND THIS OPERATING SEASON GETTING TO KNOW
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SORT OF THE PARK OPERATIONS, GETTING EXPOSED TO THE PARK THIS SUMMER SO THAT WE CAN BE A LITTLE EASE. THE TRANSITION INTO THE FOUNDATION, TAKING OVER THE PARK OPERATIONS IN 2023, WHICH OF COURSE, IS ALSO GOOD NEWS FOR OUR BOTTOM LINE, BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE TWO NEW EQUAL PARTNERS SHARING EQUALLY THE EXPENSE AND THE REVENUE FOR THE PARK, WHICH HAS TRADITIONALLY LOST MONEY THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AS IT HAS IMPROVED IN REVENUE, HOPEFULLY DUE TO COVID.HOPEFULLY THAT TREND CONTINUES.
BUT IT WILL CERTAINLY IMPROVE ONCE WE HAVE OUR TWO NEW PARTNERS AT THE TABLE AND THEY ARE AT THE TABLE. THIS IS SLIGHTLY PREMATURE.
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT LOOMING PROVINCIAL ELECTION, WE THOUGHT IT BEST TO GET THAT CONTRACT TRANSFERRED OVER IN THE FOUNDATION'S NAME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
HENCE THE THE MOTION AND A REPORT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL THIS EVENING.
WELL, THIS IS AN EXCELLENT SIGNAL TO MOVE AS QUICKLY.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FOUNDATION IS GOING TO OPEN UP HUGE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF ADDITIONAL PROGRAMING AND USAGE OF THE OF THE PARK OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO START LOOKING AT AMENDING THE THE AGREEMENT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
YES, I SHOULD JUST NOTE THAT THIS IS SIMPLY SORT OF A PAPER EXERCISE AT THIS POINT VIA AN ADDENDUM. THERE IS A PLAN, A MOVEMENT AFOOT FOR THE FOUNDATION TO DO A MORE DETAILED BRIEFING TO ALL THREE COUNCILS TO TALK MORE BIG PICTURE ON WHAT THE PARK WOULD LOOK.
AND THE POINT OF HAVING THE CURRENT AGREEMENT TRANSFERRED OVER WILL ALLOW US THE REST OF THIS YEAR FOR THE FOUNDATION TO NEGOTIATE DIRECTLY WITH THE PROVINCE FOR A NEW AGREEMENT.
BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS IN THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE FOR 2023, SUCH AS OPERATING A PARK ALL YEAR ROUND, WHICH WOULD BE IDEAL, BUT WE WOULD NEED THAT ENSHRINED IN A NEW AGREEMENT TO BE NEGOTIATED OVER THE REST OF THIS YEAR WITH THE FOUNDATION, NOT WITH THE CITY ACTING ALONE.
OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR MANN.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.
I THINK EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT BE LARGELY A PAPER EXERCISE, AS MR. GARNEAU INDICATED, IT DOES SHOW THAT THREE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES ELLIOT LAKE, SERPENT RIVER, FIRST NATION AND MISSISSAUGA FIRST NATION REALIZE THAT THIS PROVINCIAL PARK IS OF IMPORTANCE OF THE AREA, UNLIKE THE PROVINCE WHO DECIDED NOT TO KEEP IT GOING AS A PROVINCIAL PARK WHEN THEY MADE THEIR DECISION.
SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THOSE COMMUNITIES, AND I THINK THIS IS A VERY POSITIVE MOVE FORWARD FOR THREE EQUAL PARTNERS TO COME FORWARD AT THE TABLE.
SO I AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO THANK OUR PARTNERS IN THIS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE.
VOLUNTEERS THAT HAVE SAT ON THIS COMMITTEE AND WORK TOWARDS THIS GOAL AND THE CITY STAFF AS WELL. THIS IS HUGE IN RELATIONSHIP BUILDING WITH OUR NEIGHBORS AND I'M HOPING THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY RELATIONSHIPS TO COME FORWARD IN MANY MORE PARTNERSHIPS AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW AND DEVELOP.
YOU SAID. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? NOW AGAIN, AS MENTIONED, I'D REITERATE COUNCILLOR MANN, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SENTIMENTS AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE LEADERSHIP IN OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, BOTH SERPENT RIVER AND [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR HOLDING THIS TOGETHER OVER THE YEARS.
OPENS UP HUGE OPPORTUNITIES FOR [INAUDIBLE].
ROLL CALL VOTE. COUNCILLOR MANN.
IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THAT'S CARRIED. 14.2 MEMO FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER RE POTENTIAL LITIGATION AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH LITIGATION OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION, INCLUDING MATTERS BEFORE ADMINISTRATIVE TRIBUNALS, AS WELL AS ADVICE THAT IS SUBJECT TO SOLICITOR CLIENT PRIVILEGE. IT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239.2 [INAUDIBLE] BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SECOND BY COUNCILOR TURNER, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I DO WANT TO DISCUSS THIS IN CLOSED SESSION BECAUSE THERE'S VERY PERTINENT INFORMATION THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED.
BUT THE ISSUE I HAVE IS THAT IT'S LISTED AS POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
THIS IS NOT POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT SHOULD BE LISTED AS LITIGATION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IT IS.
IN THE WRITE UP, IT ACTUALLY SAYS AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH LITIGATION OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION, IT'S EITHER OR.
I UNDERSTAND WHY WE PUT IT IN CLOSED SESSION YOUR WORSHIP.
I JUST IT SAYS THAT IT'S REGARDING POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
I THINK IT SHOULD BE LISTED AS REGARDING LITIGATION.
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BRAY. IT'S JUST THE WORDING IN THE MUNICIPAL ACT LITIGATION OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION.I TOTALLY RESPECT THAT THAT WRITING IS CORRECT AT THE BOTTOM.
THE PROBLEM IS THE MEMO IS REGARDING POTENTIAL LITIGATION.
WHEN IT'S NOT POTENTIAL LITIGATION, IT IS ACTUAL LITIGATION.
IT'S IT'S NOT THE REASONS WHY WE CAN TAKE IT IN.
THE HEADING IS THAT IT'S POTENTIAL, BUT THIS ISN'T POTENTIAL THIS IS AN ACTUAL SUIT.
WHENEVER WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF POTENTIAL LITIGATION OR LITIGATION, I JUST PUT POTENTIAL LITIGATION AS [INAUDIBLE] ACT.
I'M HAPPY TO STRIKE THAT FROM THE AGENDA.
I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT IF THE BALANCED COUNCIL WOULD AGREE.
I HAVE NO, DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
IF EVERYONE FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THAT'S FINE.
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, QUALMS QUERIES.
WE'LL CALL VOTE TO PUT THIS IN CLOSE.
IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
IN FAVOR. AND I MEAN, I DIDN'T THINK I COULD.
I'M CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR ANOTHER MEMBER OF COUNCIL ON THE SCREEN, AND THEY'RE NOT THERE. OKAY.
THE INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BYLAWS 15.1 BYLAW 22.19 BEING A BYLAW TO ESTABLISH
[15. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BY-LAWS]
USER FEES FOR MUNICIPAL SERVICES AND TO REPEAL BYLAW.ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? SEEING NONE. A ROLL CALL.
IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
15.2 BYLAW 22-20 BEING A BILATERAL AMEND BYLAW A NUMBER 16-6, REGULATING THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE MUNICIPAL COUNCIL OF THE CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND ITS COMMITTEES. [INAUDIBLE] COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES ON THIS ONE? THEN WE'LL CALL COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
HIT THE WRONG BUTTON. NO, I DIDN'T HIT THE WRONG BUTTON.
THE INVITE FOR THE CLOSED SESSION CAME ACROSS THE TOP OF THE SCREEN SO I COULDN'T GET TO MY BUTTONS. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED TONIGHT.
THIS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT CHANGING THE STRUCTURE AND ALLOWING MORE PUBLIC INPUT AT OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS.
SO YEAH, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO US MORE.
THANK YOU. IT'S KIND OF FUNNY ON THAT IS EVEN THOUGH I KNEW THIS WAS ON HERE, I WAS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA AS TO SEE WHERE THAT PUBLIC INPUT WAS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA AND IT JUST WASN'T THERE.
OKAY. NEXT WEEK, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
I'VE NEVER SEEN SO MANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL SO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC INPUT.
THANK YOU ALL I'M IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED.
15.3 BY LAW 22-21 BEING A BILATERAL AUTHORIZED EXECUTION OF AGREEMENT [INAUDIBLE] AT 1860271 ONTARIO LIMITED INFILL LOTS ON MCLAREN CRESCENT ST CAMILLUS CRESCENT AND TAYLOR BOULEVARD [INAUDIBLE].
BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SECOND BY COUNCILOR TURNER, THANK YOU.
ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS QUALMS, QUERIES? SEEING NONE. ROLL CALL COUNCILLOR MANN.
22-22 BEING A BYLAW TO EXTEND THE LEASE AGREEMENT OF CERTAIN PREMISES OWNED BY THE MUNICIPALITY. [INAUDIBLE] BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SECONDER, COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS, QUALMS QUERIES? COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
JUST A COMMENT, YOUR WORSHIP JUST THE TITLE IS WEIRD, BUT THIS IS THE AGREEMENT FOR NOW.
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YEAH. NO.NO, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT, WHAT THE.
THERE'S TWO, SEPARATE NAV CANS, SO.
ROLL CALL, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THAT'S CARRIED 15.5 BY LAW, 22-23 BEING A BYLAW TO EXTEND THE LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH NAV CAN FOR THE LOCATION OF DIGITAL AVIATION AND WEATHER CAMERAS.
MOVER, PLEASE. MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SECOND BY COUNCILOR TURNER.
THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES.
THAT'S CARRIED. 15.6 BY 22.24.
MR. ANTUNES, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, IS IT OKAY TO PASS THIS BYLAW OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE AMENDED TO COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING? I CAN ANSWER THAT. JUST DEFER IT.
THERE IS THERE IS NO [INAUDIBLE] PERFECT MOTION TO DEFER.
15.6 MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
THE ROLL CALL COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
JUST, AND I KNOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A VOTE, YOUR WORSHIP, BUT COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE WHY WE'RE DEFERRING THIS? IT WASN'T IN THE PUBLIC RECORD WHY WE HAD TO CHANGE THE [INAUDIBLE].
WE HAD HOPED TO GET THE CONTRACT SIGNED BY THE OTHER PARTY AND ENOUGH TIME FOR COUNCIL TO ABSORB AND REVIEW. AND THAT JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN.
SO IT HAS TO WAIT AND BE DEFERRED TO AN UPCOMING MEETING OR YOUR COUNCIL WILL HAVE HAD TIME AND THE OTHER PARTY WILL HAVE SIGNED AHEAD OF TIME, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A WISE BEST PRACTICE. THAT'S JUST RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST THE TITLE OF NO CONTRACT.
COUNCILLOR MANN. WE'RE STILL UNDEFERRED.
[16. PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD]
WE DID RECEIVE O NE QUESTION FROM BOB [INAUDIBLE] REGARDING 6.3, THAT WAS A POLICE MATTER. AND HIS QUESTION IS, IS IT POSSIBLE FOR ELLIOT LAKE POLICE SERVICE BOARD MEETINGS TO BE CONDUCTED PUBLICLY SIMILAR TO STANDING COMMITTEES SUCH THAT CITIZENS CAN DO AND PARTICIPATE IN THESE SERVICE BOARD MEETINGS, REVIEW AGENDAS AND MINUTES? SO BY THE POLICE BOARD IS GOVERNED BY THE ONTARIO POLICE SERVICES ACT AND THEREFORE DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME NOTICE PROVISIONS OR MEETING REQUIREMENTS COUNCIL OR STANDING COMMITTEES ADHERE TO. HOWEVER, SECTION 35 OF THE ACT DOES STATE THAT MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND SHALL BE PUBLISHED IN A MANNER THAT THE BOARD DETERMINES.SO OUR CURRENTLY OUR AGENDAS FOR POLICE SERVICES BOARD MEETINGS ARE POSTED ON E SCRIBE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE ALONG WITH THOSE AGENDAS BEING POSTED.
THEY USUALLY HAVE THE MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS 2 MINUTES ATTACHED TO IT.
FROM MY TIME CHAIRING THE POLICE SERVICES BOARD COMMITTEE FOR OVER SEVEN YEARS NOW, THE DOOR HAS ALWAYS BEEN OPEN.
IN THAT TIME, I BELIEVE WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC EVER ATTEND AGAIN.
THEY'RE NOT BROADCAST THE SAME AS CITY MEETINGS, BUT THEY ARE POSTED JUST FOR AWARENESS OF THE PUBLIC WATCHING.
THESE MEETINGS USUALLY TAKE PLACE THE FIRST WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 9 A.M.
USUALLY SECOND FLOOR COMMITTEE ROOM.
THERE'S ONLY MEETINGS WHERE THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION TO HAVE A MEETING.
SO IF WE JUST HAVE A SINGLE REPORT.
WE DON'T USUALLY GET TOGETHER FOR A SINGLE REPORT.
WE GET TOGETHER WHEN THERE'S ENOUGH AGENDA ITEMS FOR MEMBERS TO COME TOGETHER.
THAT BEING SAID, IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO WITH COMMITTEE MEETINGS.
WOULD, I GUESS, BE UP TO EITHER COMMITTEE OR COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE'S THE QUESTION OF STREAMING THE MEETINGS.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT BROADCAST ON AT LEAST LINK.
I IMAGINE THE COMMITTEES COULD BE RECORDED AND THEN UPLOADED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AS WE DO WITH SOME OF THE OTHER MEETINGS.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. DANIEL.
IS THAT POSSIBLE TO RECORD VIEWS OF THAT TABLET AND UPLOAD, OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT
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DURING THE ZOOM OR POST ZOOM ERA? WELL, DURING ZOOM'S PROBABLY EASIER.YOU JUST HAVE RECORD CALLS, AND I SUPPOSE WE COULD.
WE CAN CERTAINLY DO SOMETHING IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S WISH OR THE POLICE BOARD'S WISH.
IT'S JUST THE THE TABLET IS NOT ALWAYS THE MOST IDEAL FROM A VIEWING AND AUDIO PERSPECTIVE. WE COULD MAYBE MOVE THOSE MEETINGS TO THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND USE THE CAMERA OPERATOR, BUT THAT BRINGS AN ACTUAL EXPENSE TO BEAR.
WHICH COUNCIL? THE POLICE BOARD WISHES TO DO THAT? WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT, BUT THERE'S MORE.
THERE WILL BE AN ACTUAL COST IF WE'RE USING THE EAST LINK BROADCAST AND THEN FOR THE CAMERA OPERATOR.
IF YOU'RE JUST USING AN IPAD IN A CORNER WITH A MICROPHONE.
IT'LL BE OKAY, BUT IT WON'T BE AS CLEAN AS, SAY, AS YOU EXPERIENCE.
WE CAN EXPLORE THAT IF YOU WANT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EXPLORE.
BUT AGAIN, THESE MEETINGS ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
THE AGENDAS ARE POSTED BOTH ON E SCRIBE, THE CITY'S WEBSITE, BULLETIN BOARD AND SAME MANNER AS ALL OTHER COMMITTEES.
AND THERE'S NOTHING PREVENTING THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FROM ATTENDING OTHER THAN SAY ANYTHING THAT'S CLOSED SESSION.
YOUR WORSHIP. [INAUDIBLE] IS GOING TO ANSWER THIS.
DO POLICE BOARD MEETINGS, GET POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE UNDER COMMITTEES AND AGENDAS? BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING IT ON THE CALENDAR.
SO I DOUBLE CHECKED WITH THE SECRETARY TO THE POLICE BOARD COMMITTEE AND THE AGENDAS AND MINUTES ARE ALL POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE.
BUT IS IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE CALENDAR? YES, THOSE ARE ALL CONNECTED.
SO ONCE WE POST AN AGENDA, IT GOES ON TO THE CALENDAR AUTOMATICALLY.
GREAT BECAUSE THE [INAUDIBLE] OF A SIMILAR MIND IS YOURSELF I THINK.
I'D LIKE TO SEE A THE PUBLIC FEEL FREE TO PARTICIPATE BY ATTENDING THESE MEETINGS.
THERE'S NOTHING SECRET HAPPENING AT THEM.
THE POLICE SERVICES TAKES UP A SERIOUS CHUNK OF OUR BUDGET.
SO OPEN AND TRANSPARENT, DOESN'T HURT AT ALL, THANKS.
BUT AS I MENTIONED OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS, I BELIEVE WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ATTEND AND WE'VE RECEIVED A FEW LETTERS AND CORRESPONDENCE.
IT'S GOOD THAT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC ARE INTERESTED AND WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I RECEIVED FOR PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD.
[INAUDIBLE] 17 CLOSED SESSION.
[17. CLOSED SESSION (if applicable)]
AND I HAVE MOVED TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.TAKE TEN AND CONVENE, I HAVE TO GO THE WASHROOM.
HAVE A GOOD EVENING. THUMBS UP.
BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. LOOK FOR A MOTION TO COME OUT OF CLOSED SESSION BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE FAVOR.
CLOSED SESSION DIRECTION WAS GIVEN TO STAFF.
18 CONFIRMATORY BYLAW 18.1 BYLAW 22.25 BEING A BYLAW TO CONFIRM THE PROCEEDINGS OF
[18. CONFIRMATORY BY-LAW]
COUNCIL AT ITS MEETING HELD ON MONDAY, MARCH 22, 22.[INAUDIBLE] BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? NONE, A ROLL CALL. AGAIN, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
19. A MOTION TO ADJOURN BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
AGAIN, THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR SUCH A GREAT MEETING AND A GOOD EVENING AND WE'LL SEE YOU ALL NEXT TIME. GOOD NIGHT ALL.
GOOD NIGHT. THANKS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.