[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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I'D ASK IF THERE'S ANY DECLARATIONS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST THIS EVENING.
[4. ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES]
PLEASE MOVE BY COUNCILOR TURNER SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONS? DELETIONS, CONCERNS? NOT SEEING ANY, CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.
[5. PUBLIC INPUT SESSION]
WE DID GET ONE REQUEST FOR PUBLIC INPUT THIS EVENING.THAT WOULD BE MR. MIKE THOMAS.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM, MR. THOMAS.
EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
GOOD EVENING. IT MUST BE HONEST HERE.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT, A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH.
PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
750,000 IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE.
I WOULD PREFER THAT THIS ISSUE WAS SEVERED FROM 10.3.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING TWICE IN TWO DIFFERENT AREAS.
THIS BUILDING FROM FIRST BLUSH OF WHAT I LOOKED AT AT THE DRAWINGS.
IT WILL NEVER BE ACCESSIBLE FROM AN EXTERIOR DISTANCE PERSPECTIVE.
GIVEN THE STRUCTURAL UPGRADES REQUIRED, THE LIMITED PARKING AND THE RELIANCE ON ADJOINING STRUCTURE.
WHY WASN'T ANOTHER BUILDING CONSIDERED? JUST TO BE A DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, WE SPENT MONEY ON COLLINS HALL.
LAST YEAR, TWO YEARS AGO FOR THIS TO BE USED FOR SOME OF THIS, WHY NOT THERE? THE THEATER AREA COMPRISES MORE THAN HALF OF THE BUILDING.
THE ARTS GROUP THAT WOULD UTILIZE THIS SPACE, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, WON'T EVEN RENT IT.
WHY ARE WE DOING IT? THAT'S ON THAT.
RIGHT UNDER THE AUSPICES OF 8.1, I'VE RECEIVED CALLS AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE REVENUE GENERATED BY THE BYLAW ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT AS PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE REPORT.
HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SELL LOTS ON FOX DRIVE IF THERE'S NO HYDRO? THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN ACTIVE, TO MY RECOLLECTION, ON THIS COUNCIL FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS.
IN TERMS OF THE CENTER DOG PARK.
THAT ASPHALT HAS BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO BUILD ON IT.
HOW IS THERE A PLAN B IN CASE IT COMES BACK AS BROWNSTONE? BECAUSE THAT'S A HIGH POSSIBILITY OR A PROBABILITY.
AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN REGARDS TO ITEM 10.3.
ALL PROPERTIES SHOULD BE DECLARED SURPLUS OR NONE.
EITHER WE HAVE AN INTERESTED INVESTOR OR WE DON'T.
EITHER THE CITY WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD ON A PROJECT SPECIFIC TO A PROPERTY OR IT DOESN'T.
WE SEEM TO BE GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE WHAT IFS INSTEAD OF THE WHAT IS OR WHAT'S NEEDED RIGHT NOW.
WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING 151 FOR A FUTURE ART CENTER WHEN IT'S ALREADY ADDRESSED IN 7.2? THOSE ARE MY STATEMENTS FOR TONIGHT, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
OK, CARRYING ON, THERE'S NO PUBLIC PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
[7. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS]
SEVEN INTRODUCTION CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS 7.1 MEMO FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL DISPOSITION OF LANDS ON OAKLAND BOULEVARD AS THIS[00:05:03]
MATTER DEALS WITH A PROPOSED OR PENDING DISPOSITION OF LAND OWNED BY THE MUNICIPALITY.IT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239 2C OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.
CAN I HAVE A MOVER TO PUT THIS IN CLOSED? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
QUESTIONS ARE CONCERNS? COUNCILLOR PATRIE? IS THIS AN UNSOLICITED OFFER? MR. ANTUNES? I'M TRYING TO DECIDE WHICH MIC TO USE.
SO IT'S EXCESS MUNICIPAL LAND BACKING ONTO A LOT THAT IS FOR SALE.
THANK YOU. CALL UP COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
AND IT CURRENTLY IS NOT DECLARED SURPLUS.
MR. ANTUNES? THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP, NO, NOT DECLARED SURPLUS AT THE MOMENT, AS PER A COMMENT THAT WAS MADE AT COUNCIL ONE OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS BEFORE WE WENT FURTHER IN DISCUSSING IT WITH THE POTENTIAL PURCHASER, WE WANTED TO DISCUSS IT WITH COUNCIL TO SEE IF COUNCIL HAD THE APPETITE TO EVEN MOVE FORWARD WITH IT BEFORE DECLARING A SURPLUS OR CHOOSING TO SELL IT.
SO MR. GAGNON, A QUESTION FOR YOU THEN.
OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS.
I CAN'T SEE NONE. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.
ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? THAT'S CARRIED TO CLOSED.
7.2 REPORT OF THE SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER RE A DOWNTOWN ART CENTER SCOPE OF OPTIONS RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT FROM THE SPECIAL PROJECT MANAGER RE: DOWNTOWN ART CENTER SCOPE OF WORK BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVE OPTION THREE IN THE REPORT TO PURSUE THE SCOPE OF RENOVATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE A MUSEUM, SPACE, PERFORMING ARTS SPACE, ART STUDIO SPACES AND UPSET COST OF 3.6 MILLION LESSENING GRANTS APPLICABLE TO BE TAKEN FROM THE INSURANCE RECOVERY FUNDS IN RESERVE.
IS THERE A MOVER? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.
I FORGET YOUR LAST NAME AT THE MOMENT.
MR. GOULDING. MR. MAYOR. SORRY.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US THIS EVENING, MR. GOULDING? WELL, IT SEEMS I HAVE A LENGTHY DOCUMENT TO REVIEW WITH YOU.
IT WOULD BE A BIT AWKWARD TO PROCEED THE WHOLE THING RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. WOULD YOU MIND JUST GIVING US A QUICK OVERVIEW, IF POSSIBLE, OR MR. GAGNON CAN GIVE US A QUICK OVERVIEW FOR THE PUBLIC WATCHING? MAYBE I'LL DO THE OVERVIEW, MR. GOULDING, AND YOU CAN CHIME IN IF I GET ANYTHING WRONG.
VERY HIGH LEVEL JUST BECAUSE I'VE DONE THIS A FEW TIMES.
SO COUNCIL HAS BEFORE THEM THREE OPTIONS.
IF YOU RECALL, WE SECURED $750,000 FROM FED NOR TO RENOVATE THE MOVIE THEATER.
AT THE TIME WE WERE ANTICIPATING THAT WOULD BE A $1.1 MILLION PROJECT.
WE KNOW THAT INFLATION HAS TAKEN THAT NUMBER UP CONSIDERABLY.
THIS WAS ALSO SORT OF AN INTERIM MEASURE SHORT TERM THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE BUILDING AND RENOVATE IT FOR, YOU KNOW, INTERIM YET TO BE DETERMINED PURPOSES WHILE WE WERE BUILDING OR SECURING THE THE ARTS AND CULTURE HUB.
SO WE ARE LEFT NOW TO DETERMINE IN THE AFTERMATH OF INFLATION AND COVID AND SCARCITY OF RAW MATERIALS, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT SCOPE OF WORK FOR THE MOVIE THEATER OR THE 750,000 IS IN JEOPARDY.
WE HAVE TO DECIDE VERY QUICKLY THIS SUMMER, WITHIN DAYS, NOT WEEKS, OR TO GET MOVING SO THAT WE CAN TENDER SOME FORM OF RENOVATION OR RETURN THE GRANT AND MOVE ON.
SO IN DOING SO, WE REVIEWED THE SCOPE OF WORK OF THE INITIAL $1.1 MILLION PROJECT, AND THAT PROJECT IS NOW CONSIDERABLY HIGHER THAN 1.1 MILLION. MR. GOULDING'S REPORT LEAVES THAT OUT.
SO ONE OPTION AND IF YOU RECALL, THE ORIGINAL OPTION ONE WAS THE ARTIST'S STUDIO SPACE AND A PERFORMING THEATER, A SMALL ONE PROBABLY FOR MOVIES AND SMALL, SMALL ACTS WITH 130 SEAT THEATER.
BUT THERE WAS NO MUSEUM SPACE WHATSOEVER.
AND OUR MUSEUM IS SUFFERING BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF ARCHIVING AND APPROPRIATE SPACE.
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SO OPTION ONE IS BASICALLY THE SAME OPTION ONE WITH REVISED COST ESTIMATES.OPTION TWO IS COMBINING THE MUSEUM AND THE THEATER PERFORMING ARTS SECTION, PUTTING THE MUSEUM IN THE DOWNTOWN ARTS CENTER AND OTHERWISE YET TO BE DETERMINED BUT RELOCATE THE ARTIST'S STUDIO SPACES ELSEWHERE BECAUSE OF SPACE CONSTRAINTS IN THAT BUILDING.
SO THAT'S OPTION TWO AND OPTION THREE, WHICH IS SORT OF RUNNING ON A THEME OF WE HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS. PERHAPS WE SHOULD TAKE THAT INSURANCE MONEY, THE 750 WE HAVE FROM FROM FED AND WHATEVER OTHER GRANTS WE ARE ABLE TO COBBLE TOGETHER IN THE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE AND RENOVATE THAT BUILDING FOR ALL OUR CURRENT NEEDS OR ALMOST ALL OUR CURRENT NEEDS THE MUSEUM, THE ARTISTS, STUDIO SPACES AND THE PERFORMING ARTS THEATER.
SO THESE WERE JUST MR. GOULDING'S BEST EFFORTS, AND HE'S BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY WITH CONTRACTORS AND ENGINEERS TO COME UP WITH THESE OPTIONS.
AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD DEFER TO MR. GOULDING TO TO EXPLAIN ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THOSE THREE OPTIONS OR HOW TO MAKE THE DECISION.
SO THAT INVESTMENT INTO THE COLLINS ALL ISN'T LOST.
THAT IS OUR CURRENT LARGE SCALE THEATER SUCH AS IT IS.
MR. GOULDING'S REPORT SPEAKS TO REVENUES, IMPACTS ON FUTURE BUDGETS, AND THAT'S WHERE IF COUNCILORS ANY OF THE QUESTIONS ON THAT, MR. GOULDING, WOULD BE BEST TO ANSWER THEM.
I'LL START OUT WITH THE FIRST QUESTION, AND THANK YOU, MR. GOULDING, FOR ALL YOUR EFFORT AND WORK PUT INTO THIS.
THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE GOES TO A COMMENT MR. THOMAS MADE HAVING TO DO WITH THE ACCESSIBILITY AND POTENTIAL ACCESSIBLE PARKING.
IF WE WENT WITH OPTION THREE AS SUGGESTED, COULD YOU BE KIND ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE ACCESSIBILITY BARRIER FREE COMPONENT TO THIS OPTION? SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY IN TERMS OF PARKING, THAT'S ONE ISSUE.
IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING ITSELF, THE PRELIMINARY DESIGNS, THE ENGINEERS HAVE GONE TO LENGTHS TO ADDRESS ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES WITHIN THE SPACE ITSELF, WITHIN THE WASHROOM FACILITIES AND PROVIDING BARRIER FREE ACCESS TO THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO I THINK THEY'RE DISTINCT ISSUES, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING OF MR. THOMAS'S COMMENTS WERE IN RELATION TO OR WERE RELATIVE TO GETTING TO THE FACILITY ITSELF.
AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE'S CURRENTLY BARRIER FREE ACCESS PARKING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THIS FACILITY. IF IT'S IF IT'S THE OPINION OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD NEED MORE ACCESSIBLE PARKING THERE, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE WITHIN COUNCIL'S PURVIEW TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SPACES ON ELIZABETH WALK TO HELP OFFSET THAT ISSUE.
OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PEARCE.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THROUGH YOU, MR. GOULDING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY THOROUGH REPORT.
IT'S VERY, VERY IT'S ALL THE INFORMATION WE REALLY NEED.
I WOULD ECHO THE QUESTION THAT THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP, I THINK, IN TERMS OF PARKING.
AND I THINK THE DESIGN DOES INCLUDE A MAN LIFT ELEVATOR TO ACCESS THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO I THINK THAT IS THE MAJOR THING.
I WOULD WONDER WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS ACCESSIBILITY FOR WHEELCHAIRS OR WALKERS.
I KNOW THAT THOSE OF US WHO HAVE MOBILITY PROBLEMS WILL BE THINKING ABOUT.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE AND THIS PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS.
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IF WE GO AHEAD WITH OPTION THREE, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, WOULD PREVENT US FROM MOVING ONE OR MORE OF THOSE? ARTS.THINGS, WHETHER IT'S THE THEATER OR THE MUSEUM.
THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF IN PARTICULAR.
TO ANOTHER BUILDING, ANOTHER LOCATION.
RIGHT THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
OF CONDUCTING THE RENOVATIONS IN THIS WAY IS THAT THERE'S NOTHING TERRIBLY DISTINCT ABOUT THE ARTISTS SPACE BEING RENOVATED OR THE MUSEUM SPACE BEING RENOVATED.
THEY COULD BE USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES.
YOU CAN THINK OF IT AS A COMMERCIAL OFFICE SPACE OR LARGE OPEN ROOMS. SO IF WE AS A MUNICIPALITY FOUND OTHER USES FOR THAT AREA AND WANTED TO MOVE THOSE USER GROUPS TO OTHER FACILITIES, THERE'S I CAN'T SEE THERE BEING ANYTHING PRECLUDING US FROM DOING SO.
MR. GAGNON, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO ADD TO THAT? YEAH, I WOULD GENERALLY AGREE WITH MR. GOULDING STATEMENTS OTHER THAN THE THE $750,000 GRANT FED, NOR GAVE US THAT GRANT TO DO A DOWNTOWN ART CENTER.
I MEAN, THAT'S THAT FUND AND THERE'S A CERTAIN SUNSET.
IT'S NOT IN PERPETUITY, BUT IT IS A CERTAIN HORIZON.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS IT WOULD BE.
WE'D HAVE TO READ THE FINE PRINT IN THE AGREEMENT, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE DOWNTOWN ARTS CONCEPT AND RATIONALE THAT THAT FED NOR BOUGHT INTO AND GAVE US THE GRANT FOR. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF WE MOVED ARTISTS FOR OTHER ARTS OR CULTURE, IT WOULD IT WOULD BE FINE TO A DEGREE.
BUT WE HAVE TO JUST BE SOMEWHAT CAREFUL ABOUT THE FINE PRINT IN THE GRANT WITH FED NOR.
YOU CAN FOLLOW UP, COUNCILLOR PEARCE.
THANK YOU. MR. DOYLE IS HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THIS PHONE.
I THINK SPECIFICALLY TO COME BACK TO YOUR COMMENT, MR. DANIEL. THE WHAT I'M THINKING OF IS IF, FOR EXAMPLE, A DIFFERENT BUILDING WAS BUILT FOR THE ART GALLERY AND THE MUSEUM, THAT WOULD ALLOW US SOME FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE WANTED TO EXPAND THE THEATER PART OF IT OR IF WE WANTED TO EXPAND THE THE ROOMS FOR THE VARIOUS ARTS GROUPS, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION GOING ON ABOUT WHERE WE ULTIMATELY END UP.
AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WHATEVER WE DO, IT ALLOWS.
SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR COUNCIL AND THE ARTS COMMUNITY IF THAT IS WHAT THEY NEED.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MR. GOULDING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR DETAILED REPORT.
I BELIEVE. NONE OF THESE DECISIONS ARE EASY AND ARE TAKEN LIGHTLY.
IT'S NOT WHAT WE AT ALL ENVISIONED POST COLLAPSE OF THE CIVIC CENTER, FOR SURE.
WE ALL THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO START FROM THE GROUND UP AND BUILD THE.
TAJ MAHAL OR SOMETHING EQUIVALENT TO AN ELLIOT LAKE VARIETY OF THAT.
AND SOON WE BECAME A REALITY HIT AND WE TURNED OUR EFFORTS TOWARDS NOT SO MUCH WHAT OUR WANTS WERE, BUT WHAT OUR NEEDS WERE. AND THEY STILL WERE WAY ABOVE.
I STILL WILL SAY I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYONE CANNOT LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITY AND SEE THAT WE HAVE NEEDS HERE THAT THEY CAN HELP MEET IN THEIR CHOOSING NOT TO OTHER THAN THE FED NOR GRANT WHICH WE CAN'T WASTE.
WE'VE BEEN THROUGH FOUR BUDGETS.
WE KNOW THE STATE OF OUR RESERVES.
WE KNOW THE STATE OF OUR BANK ACCOUNTS.
WE KNOW THERE'S OTHER NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO NOT WEIGH ONE NEED AGAINST ANOTHER NEED AND WHOSE NEEDS ARE GREATER.
AND ALL THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY ARE GREAT.
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AND THERE'S ONE PART OF THIS REPORT, MR. GOULDING, THAT ISN'T IN HERE, AND THAT WOULD BE KNOWN REVENUES FOR THE IMPACT ON THE BUDGET, THE MUSEUM. ONCE IT IS UP AND RUNNING, WE'LL GET THEIR MUSEUM GRANTS AGAIN THAT THEY GET EVERY YEAR.AND I'M NOT SURE, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER FOR THE LIFE OF ME, BUT I CAN'T FIGURE OF THOSE GRANTS.
I THINK IT WAS MORE THAN THE COST OF THE STAFF, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF IT WILL GO INTO OPERATIONAL COSTS WITHIN THE MUSEUM, BUT I THINK HAVING THE MUSEUM WITHIN THIS BUILDING BRINGS IN ANOTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE THAT CAN BE MAYBE DEFERRED TOWARDS THE OPERATIONAL COSTS. THE ONE THING THAT WE ALSO, I THINK ALL CAME TO REALIZE DURING THIS PROCESS IS THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO FUND TWO BUILDINGS OPERATIONALLY.
SHE'S BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB ON SOCIAL MEDIA, TRYING TO DISPLAY THE ARTIFACTS THAT SHE HAS AND TRYING TO PIQUE INTEREST AND KEEP THE INTEREST IN THE MUSEUM ALIVE AND IN WITHIN ELLIOT LAKE AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
BUT SHE WAS QUITE EXCITED WHEN I ASKED HER ABOUT.
WHAT SHE THOUGHT ABOUT THESE OPTIONS.
I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE AND WE HAVE THE BODY, WE HAVE THE PERSON, WE HAVE THE SKILL, THE SKILL AND THE KNOWLEDGE. WE HAVE THE ARTIFACTS.
SO LET'S LET'S DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.
SO I THINK. I THINK THAT COUNCILLOR PEARCE BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD POINT.
AS LONG AS I THINK WE COULD MOVE A COMPONENT OUT OF THIS BUILDING AND IT WOULD STILL BE AN ART CENTER, AND I THINK THAT HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD SATISFY FED NAR WITH THEIR GRANT.
ACTUALLY WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT, WE WEREN'T PUTTING THE MUSEUM IN IT.
SO IF AT SOME POINT WE PUT TOOK THE MUSEUM OUT OR LEFT THE MUSEUM IN AND TOOK OUT THE THEATER, I THINK THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WOULDN'T SATISFY THEM BECAUSE IT WOULD STILL BE THE DOWNTOWN ARTS CENTER.
YOU KNOW, I'M VERY HAPPY THAT EVERYONE'S BEEN ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER TO TRY TO COME TO A SOLUTION.
AND I THINK THAT ANYBODY WHO'S WORKED IN THIS PROCESS WOULD KNOW THAT.
THIS IS NOT THE SOLUTION WE WANTED TO COME TO AT THE END OF THE DAY, BUT I THINK IT'S THE BEST SOLUTION THAT WE HAVE AT HAND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. COUNCILLOR MANN? THANK YOU, WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.
I JUST WANT TO AGAIN THANK MR. GOULDING FOR THE REPORT, AS HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY SAID.
IT'S THE DETAIL THAT WE WOULD EXPECT FROM STAFF.
SO, AGAIN, MR. GOULDING, THANK YOU FOR THAT.
SO I WANT TO THANK THOSE FOR COMING FORWARD AND AND SHOWING SHOWING YOUR INTEREST IN THIS.
A COUPLE OF POINTS, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE PREVIOUS TWO SPEAKERS.
AND AGAIN, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN GETTING INTO SPECIFIC ARGUMENTS OVER IT.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S PERSPECTIVE TO ME.
NUMBER ONE, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN LOSING THE THE FED NOR DOLLARS EITHER.
HOWEVER, UNLIKE COUNCILLOR PEARCE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN OR WHAT WOULD PRECLUDE US FROM MOVING SOMETHING AFTERWARDS, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THERE WOULD BE AN ANSWER, AND MY ANSWER WOULD BE THE BALANCE IN THE BANK ACCOUNT OR THE RESERVE.
I HAVEN'T SPOKEN A LOT ON THE MUSEUM PIECE AS I HAD TOLD SOMEONE ELSE TODAY.
I FIND IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT, TO BE QUITE HONEST, HAVING GROWN UP IN A HOUSEHOLD WHERE MUSEUM ARTIFACTS WERE BROUGHT IN AND DRAGGED ACROSS THE DINING ROOM TABLE BY MY FATHER. I FIND IT A LITTLE HARD TO SPEAK ON IT PUBLICLY, HOWEVER, TRYING TO GET THROUGH THAT TONIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK COUNCILLOR FINAMORE'S COMMENTS AT THE LAST MEETING WERE ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE.
WE NEED TO HAVE IT BACK UP AND RUNNING.
EVERYTHING STARTS TO KIND OF FALL APART FOR ME.
WE TALKED AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT POTENTIALLY DECLARING 151 SURPLUS.
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IF THAT HAPPENS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THE PARKING THAT WE'VE NOW DISCUSSED FOR THIS PARTICULAR BUILD OR RENOVATION TONIGHT? I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.YES, THERE IS OTHER PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
HOWEVER, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE UPPER PLAZA, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT DOESN'T HAVE BARRIER FREE ACCESS DOWN TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE ART CENTER? AGAIN, CONCERNS.
GET THAT UP AND RUNNING AND CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR MORE LONG TERM FACILITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
OBVIOUSLY, A LANDLOCKED BUILDING THAT WE DID NOT PURPOSELY, AS I SAID AT THE LAST MEETING, GO OUT AND WANT TO PURCHASE IS AGAIN IN MY MIND A BIT OF A DETRACTOR. SOMETIMES GIFTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY REAL GIFTS WHEN WE'RE HAVING TO SPEND DOLLARS ON SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S IMPACTING NEIGHBORING TENANTS AND NEIGHBORING BUILDINGS. AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WITH THE ROOF AND THE PROBLEMS TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.
IT JUST THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES TO THIS.
DO WE NEED TO SPEND THIS MONEY? YES. CAN WE STILL SPEND $750,000 BEFORE THE DEADLINE? I BELIEVE WE CAN GET WELL UNDERWAY IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
HOWEVER, I DON'T CURRENTLY BELIEVE THAT OPTION THREE IN THIS FORMAT IS THE PROPER WAY TO GO.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT AN AWFUL LOT OF WHAT WAS SAID.
THE HARDEST PART I HAVE WITH THIS.
IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS AND WE'VE DONE NOTHING.
WITH WHAT THE GRANT APPLICATION WAS FOR.
I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE WHAT THAT GRANT APPLICATION IS FOR.
THAT IS A 6000 FOOT 50 YEAR OLD STRUCTURE.
WE GOT THE GRANT. WE HAVEN'T DONE IT.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE IT TO MAKE IT A ITTY BITTY, TINY THEATER, ITTY BITTY, TINY MUSEUM, AND A LITTLE BIT OF WORKING SPACE FOR A FEW USER GROUPS. MR. GOULDING IS CORRECT.
THE PIECES IN THERE ARE MOVABLE.
SO IF YOU PUT THE USER GROUPS IN THERE, AND IF WE DO WANT TO PUT A TEMPORARY MUSEUM IN THERE FOR NOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S TEMPORARY, BUT JUST DO THE RENOVATION WITHIN THE BUDGET.
WE'RE SAYING THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT BECAUSE THE PRICE HAS GONE UP BY 35%.
IF WE SPEND ALL THAT MONEY FROM THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON A NEW THEATER AND A NEW MUSEUM.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE THEATER AND THE MUSEUM IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE AN ATTRACTANT.
THEY ARE VERY MUCH A PART OF WHAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY GROWING AND THRIVING.
IF WE TRY AND PIECEMEAL THIS LITTLE SMALL SPACE AND JAM EVERYTHING INTO IT, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A THEATER, WE DON'T HAVE A MUSEUM, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE IT'S LIKE MOVING YOUR THREE BEDROOM OR FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE INTO AN APARTMENT BUILDING.
YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF STUFF TO MAKE IT FIT.
I WANT TO BE THE PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPALITY THAT WE WERE BEFORE THE COLLAPSE.
I STILL BELIEVE THAT THE PROVINCE IS WILLING TO HELP US.
AND THE MAIN REASON THE PROVINCE IS GOING TO BE WILLING TO HELP US.
THEY GAVE US NEARLY $3 MILLION TO BUILD THE THEATER THAT WAS IN THERE WHEN IT WAS RENOVATED.
THEY'VE LOST THAT ASSET AS WELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US THIS YEAR BEFORE WE LOSE THE 750,000.
MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORIGINAL REQUEST.
GET THE USER GROUPS IN THERE IF WE NEED TO.
BECAUSE IT IS 6000 FEET, WE COULD MAYBE PUT A TWO OR 3000 FOOT TEMPORARY MUSEUM IN THERE FOR THE CURATOR TO HAVE SOME SPACE TO DO A HALF FOR A THIRD OF WHAT WE USED TO HAVE TEMPORARILY WHILE THE NEW FACILITY IS BEING BUILT.
AND THEN LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND REBUILD THE OLD ONE.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE REPORT THAT IS WRITTEN AND STRIKE THE SECOND PARAGRAPH.
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AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AND THAT STAFF PROCEED IMMEDIATELY WITH THE RENOVATION TO HOUSE THE USER GROUPS AS PER THE GRANT APPLIED FOR.IS THERE A SECONDER FOR THAT AMENDMENT? SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
NEW DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT.
COUNCILLOR PATRIE? SO IF I MAY, I'M GOING TO CONTINUE.
THE WHOLE POINT IS, I THINK EVERYBODY AT THIS TABLE KNOWS BETTER.
WE DON'T WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM 750,000.
WE KNOW THE PROVINCE IS WILLING TO HELP US.
SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND DO ORIGINALLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, GET THAT DONE.
IT'S STILL GOING TO TAKE US A COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET A NEW THEATER AND A NEW MUSEUM BUILT.
YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE MONEY ON THAT BUILD.
WE HAVE MONEY IN THE BANK THAT WE CAN USE TO ATTRACT DOLLARS WITH THE PROVINCE.
WE CAN PARTNER WITH THE PROVINCE AND REBUILD THE FACILITY.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE STOP DRAGGING OUR FEET AND GET MOVING.
IT CAUSED A LOT OF DELAYS AND A LOT OF PROBLEMS. BUT WE'VE WE NEED TO DO THIS AND WE NEED TO DO THIS NOW.
THIS IS WE'VE GOT TO STOP WAITING.
SO I THINK WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AND DO THIS, GET THIS BUILT, GET IT STARTED AND THEN GET MOVING IMMEDIATELY ON THE SECOND PORTION AND REBUILD THE THEATER AND THE MUSEUM.
COUNCILOR TURNER? NOTHING ON THE MOTION MAKES ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT.
MR. DANIEL. I'M JUST A LITTLE UNCLEAR.
SO I THINK IF I'M UNCLEAR, I'M NOT SURE IF THE AUDIENCE IS AS WELL.
SO MAYBE COUNCILLOR PATRIE CAN JUST CLARIFY.
HE'S SUGGESTING THE ARTISTS WORKSHOP SPACE UNDERSTOOD AND NO THEATER OR BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL GRANT OPTION ONE IS THE GRANT AS CONTEMPLATED USED TO BE 1.1 MILLION. NOW IT'S 2.7.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? ROLL CALL. COUNCILLOR PATRIE IN FAVOR.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE OPPOSED, COUNCILLOR PEARCE OPPOSED AND I'M OPPOSED.
WE'RE BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION.
COUNCILOR TURNER, I THINK YOU WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE OVERALL REPORT.
THANK YOU. I'M ALSO IMPRESSED WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT.
USUALLY WE'RE LEFT ALONE IN HERE AND FEEL LIKE MARBLES IN A BOXCAR.
THE PARTICIPATION BY PEOPLE IN ELLIOT LAKE IS APPRECIATED.
MR. GOULDING, I APPRECIATE THE THE OPTIONS YOU PRESENTED US WITH HERE.
MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS SIMILAR TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE IN A WAY, IN THAT I DON'T WANT THE IDEA OF BUILDING A NEW CENTER FORGOTTEN.
THIS IS WE'RE SLAPPING A PATCH ON AN OLD RUNNING SHOE.
HERE WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HOUSE OUR ART COMMUNITY.
AND IF IT'S TEMPORARY, I CAN SUPPORT IT.
THE MONEY WE HAVE LEFT FROM THE INSURANCE.
I BELIEVE THAT'S AN AWFUL GOOD DOWN PAYMENT ON A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
AND WE ALL UNDERSTAND SOMETHING IN ELLIOT LAKE.
YOU JUST GOT TO BE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
THAT FOR THE AMOUNT, THE IMPACT THAT BUILDING A NEW CENTER WOULD HAVE ON OUR ON OUR TAXES, IT'S A SMALL ENOUGH AMOUNT THAT THE CITIZENRY WOULD BE WOULD BE IN A POSITION OF HAVING TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THAT IT'S WORTH IT.
NOW, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE NEXT COUNCIL IS GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
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I SUSPECT IT WILL BE.BUT IN THE INTERIM, I'D LIKE US TO PROCEED WITH OPTION THREE.
BUT ON THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS HAS A SUNSET PERIOD, THERE IS A TIME WHEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FROM THERE OR WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THINGS SO THAT THE MUSEUM AND THE THEATER ARE IN A NEW CENTER AND WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S WORTHY OF THE CITIZENRY, AND WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE NICE THINGS.
OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT.
SO I SUPPORT OPTION THREE, BUT I TEST MY FELLOW COUNCILORS, BUT WITH THE REMINDER THAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT OUR TARGET, OUR AIM, OUR GOAL AT THE BEGINNING HERE WAS TO BUILD SOMETHING NEW.
THANK YOU. I JUST A QUESTION FOR EITHER MR. GOULDING OR MR. GAGNON.
WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE OVERALL COST, CURRENT DOLLARS WOULD BE FOR MUSEUM AND THEATER, AS COUNCILOR TURNER SUGGESTS SOMETHING TO LOOK FOR IN FUTURE YEARS.
I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME.
WE COULD HAVE GLEANED SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE BASED ON THE $1,314 MILLION PRE-COVID PRE INFLATION.
IT'S IT'S TOUGH TO SO I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I'M NOT SURE IF MR. GOULDING IS ANY ANY BETTER AT WHIPPING THAT TOGETHER.
MR. GOLDING, ANY MEMORY FROM GOING THROUGH ALL THE ALL THE PAPERWORK? WELL, I WOULDN'T WANT TO SPECULATE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T COSTED THAT OPTION SPECIFICALLY.
BUT JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT, OUR $14 MILLION PROJECT AS PREVIOUSLY PRICED THAT ENCOMPASSED ALL THE USER GROUPS, HAD A $14 MILLION BUDGET.
WHEN WE APPROACHED THE THE DESIGNERS FOR AN UPDATED PRICING, THEY SAID THAT WE COULD EXPECT A 35% INCREASE TO THAT, WHICH PUTS US IN THE REALM OF $20 MILLION, IN FACT, IN THE RANGE OF $14 MILLION.
BUT THAT'S JUST A HYPOTHETICAL.
WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT SPECIFIC COSTING ON THAT.
OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE THANK YOUR WORSHIP ALONG THAT SAME LINE, THE REPORT.
I'M SORRY, MR. WILLING, BUT IT MAKES IT CONTRADICTORY.
WHAT THE ORIGINAL OSCAR WAS FOR WAS FOR A THEATER MUSEUM AND WORKING GROUP SPACE.
AND WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A 35% INCREASE, WHICH WOULD TAKE US TO 1.3, MAYBE 1.4.
AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM DOING THAT TO GET THIS UP AND RUNNING.
SO THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR ME FINANCIALLY IN THE NUMBERS.
THERE'S ALSO ONE OTHER THING THAT NOBODY'S PAYING ATTENTION TO HERE.
ONE OF THE BIGGEST ATTRACTIONS FOR TOURISTS IN THIS COMMUNITY IS OUR WELCOME CENTER.
WHICH IS BEING OPERATED OUT OF A TRAILER AND IS SITTING AT COLLINS HALL.
SO ARE WE GOING TO PARK THE TRAILER IN FRONT OF THE REAL RAIL PROPERTY? THAT NEEDS TO GO BACK TO THE HIGHWAY AND WE NEED TO GET THAT BACK OPEN TO THE TOURISTS AND THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE CITIZENS OF ELLIOT LAKE.
SO I JUST I DISAGREE WITH DOING THIS AND SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY.
MR. GAGNON TWO QUICK FOOTNOTES.
THE FED NOR GRANT NEVER INCLUDED THE MUSEUM.
IT WAS ONLY FOR THE PERFORMING ARTS THEATER AND THE ARTISTS STUDIO SPACES.
THE 30 TO 35% COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS RIGHT DOESN'T GET YOU FROM 1.1 TO 2.7.
THERE ARE ALSO SOME SCOPE ISSUES THAT THAT WE PUT INTO OPTION ONE, WHICH IS IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, THERE WERE SOME STAFF CHANGES AND MR. GOODLING HAS GOT A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE IN THIS.
AND WE'VE ADDED SOME ELEMENTS THAT WILL HELP INSULATION AND ESTHETICS SO THAT THE BUILDING WILL BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE POST RENOVATIONS SO THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DECREASE OUR OPERATING COSTS.
SO THOSE WERE SOME ADD ONS THAT BRING VALUE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING ANY OF THESE OPTIONS, WE SHOULD DO THAT WHILE WE HAVE EVEN 750 AT THE TABLE. AND I AGREE, THE WELCOME CENTER IS IMPORTANT.
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TRAINING IN THIS PARTICULAR SUMMER.BUT BY NEXT SUMMER, WE'LL HAVE THAT IRONED OUT.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MANN THANK YOU, RICHARD.
JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE COUNCILOR TURNER'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE MESSAGE TO HIS FELLOW COUNCILORS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A TEMPORARY MOVE AS OPPOSED TO A LONG TERM. MY QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THAT HAPPENS WITHOUT ANY CHANGE IN THE RESOLUTION? HOW DO WE SAY TO OURSELVES, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS ON A TEMPORARY BASIS WITHOUT FORMALIZING THAT AND SPENDING MORE MONEY? THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU.
TEMPORARY IS FINE, BUT PUTTING ALL OF OUR RESOURCES INTO A LANDLOCKED BUILDING IN DOWNTOWN ELLIOT LAKE WITH I WILL STILL CONSIDER NOT THE BEST PARKING IN THE WORLD.
CONSIDERED A BUILDING THAT IS FLAT, NO STAIRS YOU CAN DRIVE UP TO IN A FLAT PARKING LOT.
HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THAT HAPPENS? BECAUSE I'D BE WILLING TO SUPPORT THAT TO GET THIS GOING ON A TEMPORARY BASIS.
COUNCILOR TURNER. SO I GUESS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS SEE WHAT A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME WOULD BE.
CAN WE COME TO SOME AGREEMENT ON THAT? AND THEN WE CAN PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT.
COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU, RICHARD.
SO THEREFORE, THAT'S THE FIRST PROBLEM.
WE'RE GOING TO GET PREOCCUPIED WITH OTHER THINGS.
THE ONLY WAY TO ENSURE THAT WE BUILD SOMETHING ELSE, IN MY OPINION, MY HUMBLE OPINION IS TO CHANGE THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FUTURE BUILD OCCURS.
COUNCILOR TURNER SAID, I'M OPEN TO PROPOSAL ON THIS.
MY CONCERN IS THAT THE NEW BILL DOESN'T GET LOST, AND SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE COUNCIL'S GOT ITS FEET HELD TO THE FIRE TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMELINE.
YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU IS BECOMING VERY INTERESTING.
I'M JUST WONDERING, COUNCILLOR MANN, WHAT'S YOUR PROPOSAL? YOU'VE SAID YOU'VE ASKED COUNCILOR TURNER WHAT HE'S PROPOSING.
WHAT YOU'VE SAID IS YOU'D BE AMENABLE TO IT, BUT YOU HAVEN'T SAID EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT.
WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? ARE YOU LOOKING FOR JUST A SHORT TERM THING OVER THERE AT THE THEATER, OR ARE YOU LOOKING KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE PERMANENT AND OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT.
WELL, WE'LL PUT A THEATER SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WE'LL PUT THE MUSEUM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
YOU HAVEN'T REALLY SAID WHAT YOU PROPOSE, SO MAYBE YOU COULD CLARIFY FOR US.
THROUGH YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PEARCE.
I HAVEN'T REALLY SAID SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.
SO I BELIEVE THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT.
AGAIN. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR MUSEUM TUCKED IN A BASEMENT AGAIN.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF A BUILDING, TO BE QUITE HONEST, EITHER.
I BELIEVE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.
WE WERE ORIGINALLY AGAIN, NONE OF US ARE ON THIS TABLE, WENT OUT LOOKING.
YOU KNOW WHAT, WE SHOULD BY THE LAKE THEATER.
I APOLOGIZE. I CAN'T CALL IT REAL TO REAL.
TO ME, IT'S THE LAKE THEATER, SO I APOLOGIZE.
SO NONE OF US SAID WE'RE GOING TO GO BY THE LAKE THEATER.
THEN WE STARTED DUMPING DUMPING MONEY INTO IT BECAUSE OF THE ROOF AND OTHER THINGS.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING.
I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE UP ON A FLAT SURFACE AND WALK INTO A DOOR.
THAT'S WHAT I'D ALSO LIKE, NOT PARK ON AN ANKLE THAT USED TO BE A WALKWAY AND NOT A ROAD AS WELL.
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FOLLOW UP, COUNCILLOR PEARCE.THANK YOU. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID, FRANKLY.
SO WHAT? BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY HERE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING IS WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT, WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE IN A MUSEUM, AND WE LOOK FOR FUNDING FOR THE MUSEUM BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOT IT. I KNOW COUNCILOR PATRICK SAYS THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS JUST WAITING TO HAND US MONEY, BUT UNLESS HE KNOWS SOMEBODY THERE THAT WE DON'T.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT MONEY FROM.
I THINK THERE IS THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS.
THAT PART I'LL AGREE WITH YOU 100%.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS FOR THE MUSEUM, WHICH I THINK HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT TO LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS.
IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT OPTION ONE AS OPPOSED TO OPTION THREE, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'D PROBABLY APPROVE IT BECAUSE I WANT THAT 750,000 SPENT.
LET'S GET IT DONE RIGHT AND MOVE QUICKLY.
BUT I DO NOT WANT THE MUSEUM TO WAIT ANOTHER THREE YEARS OR FOUR YEARS BEFORE IT HAS A PLACE THAT IS DECENT AND A DECENT PLACE TO PUT THE THINGS THAT RIGHT NOW ARE SCATTERED ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WE DO HAVE TO MOVE MOVE FAIRLY QUICKLY.
I THINK THERE ARE SOME POSSIBLE DISCUSSIONS WHICH COULD HAPPEN BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE IN THE VARIOUS GROUPS, PARTICULARLY THE MUSEUM BOARD, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR OPTIONS ARE AND WHERE WE COULD GO AND WHAT WE COULD DO.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT TO DO THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR NO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE, YOUR WORSHIP.
AND AGAIN, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
BUT AGAIN, IF THE MUSEUM IS OURS, THE CITY OF LAKES MUSEUM, THEN IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE, AS COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SAID AT OUR LAST MEETING, WE NEED TO GET IT DONE.
SCHOOLS ARE REOPENING HOPEFULLY FULLY IN THE FALL.
BE REALLY NICE TO START SHOWING, YOU KNOW, THE YOUTH OF OUR COMMUNITY SOME OF THE PAST.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN DAMAGE TO SOME OF THE MUSEUM PIECES.
SO WE HAVE TO ENSURE THAT IT DOESN'T GET FURTHER DAMAGE IN STORAGE.
AND I KNOW THAT IT HASN'T BEEN, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THIS STUFF OUT AND ABOUT, PERIOD.
TEMPORARY BASIS, SHORT TO LONG TERM.
WE DON'T HAVE A HOME TODAY AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR THE MUSEUM THERE.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. ARE YOU SURE THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT OF A DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BE STRINGENT WITH THE RULES? I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS THIS CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK WE CAN PASS A RESOLUTION THAT SAYS TEMPORARY AND KEEP THE FED NOR GRANT.
I THINK THAT THAT KIND OF DOESN'T BODE WELL BY ME VOTING FOR OPTION THREE.
DOES IT MEAN THAT I'M DONE? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I WOULD HOPE THAT ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE WOULD LOOK FOR AND JUMP AT ANY OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, INCLUDING A BETTER THEATER AND A BETTER MUSEUM.
AND I CAN ASSURE YOU IT WON'T BE THAT IT WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY.
I THINK IT'S CALLED AN ELEVATOR.
I'VE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE CALLING IT A MAN CARRIER, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS.
THAT MAKES ME THINK OF THE MINE AND GOING DOWN UNDERGROUND FOR A TOUR IN A MAN CARRIER.
AND I THINK THAT THIS CAN BE THE SOLUTION.
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S TEMPORARY.
I'M SAYING FOR TODAY IT'S THE BEST WAY WE CAN DO THINGS.
THE MUSEUM WAS A BIG PART OF THAT AND.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE MOVING IT BACK INTO A BASEMENT AND IT WILL BE ON THE MAIN FLOOR AND IT WILL BE AS BIG AS IT CAN BE. AND IF IT'S NOT SUITING THE NEEDS OF THE MUSEUM, THEN WE WILL TAKE MORE ACTION.
BUT I THINK THAT ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE IS GOING TO CONTINUE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR PARTNERS, OUR REGIONAL PARTNERS, AND COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT FITS EVERYBODY.
SO I THINK THAT DOING NOTHING AND ENDING THIS DISCUSSION AND NOT TAKING A GOOD LOOK AT WHAT WE
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NEED. I THINK THAT IF THE MUSEUM ISN'T WHAT WE ALL DREAMED IT WOULD BE, THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT CAN'T BE WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW.AND I STILL THINK THAT OPTION THREE IS THE BEST WAY TO OPTION THREE IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED AT THIS POINT IS I REALIZE THAT WE'RE CHANGING THE SCOPE OF THE FED NOR GRANT, BUT WE'RE ADDING TO IT AND NOT TAKING AWAY.
AND I'M OKAY WITH SPENDING THE MONEY FROM THE INSURANCE CLAIM TO REPLACE WHAT WE LOST AT THE CIVIC CENTER AND AS A MUSEUM WAS PART OF THAT.
AND I'M HOPING THERE'S MONEY LEFT IN THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT WE CAN DO SOME RENOVATIONS AT AT COLLINS HALL TO HAVE LARGER THEATER PRODUCTIONS THERE.
WE HAVE THE LIGHTS. WE HAVE THE THE SOUND SYSTEM.
GARBAGE BAGS OFF THE WINDOWS AND DO SOMETHING NICER WITH IT.
RETROFIT. WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD RIGHT NOW.
THE. $19 MILLION, I THINK THEY WERE UP TO NOW FOR A NEW MUSEUM AND A NEW THEATER IS.
I DON'T SEE ANYONE HANDING US MONEY.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS NEXT WEEK WITH SOME OF OUR PROVINCIAL PARTNERS AND HOPING THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO ASK THEM TO NOT IGNORE US ANY LONGER.
BUT WE'LL ASK WHAT WE NEED FOR WHAT WE NEED AND SEE WHAT WE GET AND.
I'VE SAID BEFORE, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HOPE IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THEY'VE SHOWN US IN THE PAST THAT OTHER AREAS IN IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO AND IN NORTHERN ONTARIO, THEY JUST HANDED MONEY OUT TO SAINT MARIE THAT WASN'T EVEN ASKED FOR.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GET ON THAT LIST, BUT IF ANYONE KNOWS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.
I'M GOING TO TRY ONE MORE SHOT AT IT AND I'LL PUT ANOTHER.
I'M GOING TO GIVE IT ANOTHER SHOT AND I'M GOING TO TRY AND PUT ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION.
SO I GET IT AND I TOTALLY AGREE.
SO WE DO HAVE A TEMPORARY SPACE THAT WE CAN UTILIZE UNTIL WE CAN GET A NEW THEATER BUILT.
THERE WILL BE NO MONEY LEFT IF YOU GO WITH THESE.
I'M ABSOLUTELY NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING ANY OF THAT.
WE HAVE INSURANCE MONEY TO REPLACE THIS STUFF.
THAT'S WHAT THAT SHOULD BE USED FOR.
IT SHOULDN'T BE ADDED TO A TAX ROLL.
BASED ON WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE TABLE IS SAYING, I'M HOPEFUL.
AGAIN, I MOVED TO STRIKE PARAGRAPH TWO.
SO THEN WE KNOW THAT THE MUSEUM ISN'T GOING TO BE PERMANENT IN THAT STRUCTURE.
SORRY, I'LL END THAT AT TEMPORARY MUSEUM.
IT, COUNCILOR TURNER, THAT WE KNOW THAT IT'S TEMPORARY.
WE STILL HAVEN'T REBUILT A THEATER.
SO WE KNOW THAT THAT'S GOT TO BE ON THE RADAR.
IT ALLOWS YOU COUNCILLOR PEARCE TO TAKE THE $750,000 IN SPENDING.
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WE DROPPED THE BALL.I'M NOT WILLING TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY TO GET THAT SMALL OF A GRANT.
WE'VE ALL BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH.
WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE GRANTS THAT ARE $0.80 DOLLARS.
I'M JUST NOT WILLING TO DO IT, BUT I WANT THE BILL DONE.
WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS TWO YEARS AGO.
SO NOW WE'LL USE THE NUMBERS IN THE REPORT AND WE'RE NOW GOING TO SPEND $0.50 DOLLARS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE ROUGHLY $750,000 TO GET 750,000 TO PUT THE MUSEUM IN. THERE IS WAY LESS MONEY THAN TO PUT A THEATER IN THERE BECAUSE THE THEATER IS COSTLY TO DO.
I THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT WITHIN THAT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, GET OPERATIONAL, AND THEN LET'S GET STAFF WORKING ON GETTING THE THEATER AND. MUSEUM REBUILT AND ALSO COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
TRADITIONALLY, WHEN THEY FIND US, THEY KNOW IT'S ALL TEMPORARY BECAUSE THEY PUT IT IN AND MR. GARNEAU SAID IT. THERE IS A CLAUSE IN THERE AND IT'S USUALLY A THREE YEAR CAVEAT THAT YOU MUST NOT CHANGE THE USE OF THAT BUILDING.
SO THAT BUYS US ONLY THREE YEARS TO DO IT WITH A TEMPORARY MUSEUM.
AND HOPEFULLY WITHIN THREE YEARS WE CAN GET OUR.
HAVE A NEW FACILITY TENDERED AND BUILT.
JUST A QUESTION ON ON THAT POSSIBLY FOR MR. GOULDING OR MR. DANIEL. LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS HERE WE HAVE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL UNDERSTANDING THIS HERE.
IN YOUR OPTION THREE, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE FINANCING PAYMENT OF 209,000.
I'M IN THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'D BE USING SOME OF THE INSURANCE MONEY UP TO $2.8 MILLION.
SO WHY IS THERE ARE WE HAVING TO USE BOTH? SO IT'S EITHER OR EITHER FINANCING OR 2.8.
ONE SECTION SAYS SELF FINANCED, ONE SAYS FINANCED.
THEN IF WE WENT WITH THIS OURSELVES, OR WE COULD FINANCE AND KEEP THAT MONEY IN THE BANK ACCOUNT.
TO SAVE FOR MUSEUM SLASH THEATER BUILD IN THE FUTURE.
AM I CORRECT IN THIS ASSUMPTION? I BELIEVE SO, YEAH. I MEAN, MR. GOULDING ADDED THE FINANCING JUST TO GIVE COUNCIL MORE OPTIONS.
YES, THE INSURANCE MONEY CAME FROM THE INSURANCE, BUT HOW WE CHOOSE TO SPEND THAT IS COMPLETELY COUNCIL'S CALL SO YOU CAN DEBT FINANCE THIS AND LEAVE MORE IN RESERVE AND CARRY THE OPERATING COSTS OF THE DEBT FINANCING.
IT'S IT'S THAT'S WHY WE HAD BOTH OPTIONS THROWN IN THERE.
SO IF WE IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, ARE WE ABLE TO APPLY FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM FED? NOR SINCE THE COST IS INCREASED, ARE WE JUST STUCK WITH SEVEN 5750 IS THE MAX FROM FRED NOR MR. ANTUNES. SORRY, YOUR WORSHIP OUT OF RESPECT, I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN NODDING AT YOU LIKE THAT.
I APOLOGIZE. I APPLIED FOR THE GRANT INITIALLY AND WE MAXED OUT AT THE 750.
THE 750 WAS THE LARGEST AMOUNT AVAILABLE TO US IN THE APPLICATION, SO WE GOT THE FULL AMOUNT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. BACK COUNCILOR TURNER, THEN COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
SO AS I UNDERSTAND THE COUNCILLOR PATRIE SUGGESTION HERE OR PROPOSAL.
YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY SAYING OPTION THREE.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT'S OPTION FOR BECAUSE THERE IS NO OPTION TO DO MUSEUM AND USER GROUPS ONLY.
WELL, YOU WANT THE THEATER WROTE.
YES. ARE YOU THERE? OKAY. WELL, JUST WANTED TO GET THAT CLEAR.
MR. DANIEL. JUST AGAIN, A FOOTNOTE.
WE'D HAVE TO DO A LITTLE DANCE, BUT I THINK WE COULD MANAGE IT.
BUT FENNER IS EXPECTING US TO DO A THEATER.
THE APPLICATION INCLUDED A THEATER, AND THERE'S ALREADY TECHNICALLY A THEATER THERE.
IT'S IT JUST COMES DOWN TO THE COUNCIL'S CALL.
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COUNCILLOR PATRIE WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE LESS THAN OPTIONS ONE, TWO OR THREE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE TAKING THE THEATER COST FUNCTION OUT OF IT, WHICH IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE COMPONENT OF ANY OF THE BUILDS.BOTH SIDES HAVE THE RAKED FLOOR.
IN THEATER. IN THE THEATER, BOTH SIDES OF THE TWIN REEL WORK ARE BOTH RAKED FLOOR.
I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS BECAUSE THE NUMBERS AREN'T IN THE REPORT TO DO IT THAT WAY.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN THAT OPTION.
SO IF YOU TAKE THE THEATER PORTION OUT, STRICTLY WORK WITH THE COLLINS HALL AS OUR TEMPORARY THEATER UNTIL WE REBUILD IT, PUT YOUR MUSEUM IN AS VIRTUALLY OPEN SPACE SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH OF A COST TO IT.
YOU SHOULD BE WELL WITHIN YOUR BUDGET OR CLOSER TO YOUR BUDGET.
SO EVEN IF WE'RE UP 30, WE COULD BE LUCKY.
I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS.
MR. GOLDING'S GOT HIS HAND UP.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS LOGICALLY, WE SHOULD POSSIBLY EVEN BE ABLE TO GET BACK INTO OUR TOTAL GRANT FUNDING AMOUNT AND NOT BE UP TO 35%. IF WE MAKE A DECISION TO SPEND ALL THE MONEY AND PLUS EXTRA MILLIONS, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO GET THAT OPTION TO THE TABLE.
AFTER YOUR WORSHIP, WE, WE DIDN'T PRESENT THAT OPTION BECAUSE IT WAS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE ORIGINAL GRANT APPLICATION AND FRANKLY, WE HADN'T ENTERTAINED IT AS A POSSIBILITY.
SO IF THE INTENT IS TO PLACE A MUSEUM ON ONE SIDE AND AND USER GROUPS ON THE OTHER, WE'RE EFFECTIVELY APPROACHING THE EXPENSE OF OPTION THREE.
THE THEATER IN THIS CASE IS THE CHEAPEST PORTION OF THE FACILITY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY A THEATER.
JESUS. YEAH, WE COULD DO DUE DILIGENCE AND GET PERSPECTIVE NUMBERS FROM OUR CONSULTANTS, BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE THEM BEING A WHOLE LOT LESS THAN OPTION THREE.
OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PEARCE.
THIS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN YOUR NEW AMENDMENT IS TAKE THE THEATER OUT AND MAKE THE MUSEUM TEMPORARY.
IS THAT CORRECT? AND AS I UNDERSTAND FROM WHAT MR. GOULDING HAS SAID AND CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF WHAT I READ IN THE REPORT, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM YOU WILL HAVE WITH THAT IS THAT THE THEATER IS THERE.
ANGLE AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LEVEL IT OUT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THE COST IS GOING TO BE.
THAT'S THE MAJOR COST YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IN ANY RENOVATIONS YOU DO IN THAT PLACE.
I DON'T THINK YOUR IDEA IS TOTALLY STUPID.
HOW'S THAT? I JUST DON'T HANG.
I THINK THERE'S SOME MERIT IN WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
YOU KNOW, YOU THROW NUMBERS AROUND, AND SOMETIMES THERE'S NO BASIS IN THE NUMBERS.
I WOULD LIKE A LOT MORE FACTUAL NUMBERS BEFORE I'M READY TO MAKE THAT KIND OF A DECISION.
AND THAT IS, LET'S JUST DO IT.
LET'S SPEND THE 750 AND GET GOING WITH IT.
PLEASE READ PAGE 28 AND 29 OF THE REPORT.
LEVEL FLOOR THEATER ONE 80,000 LEVEL FLOOR IN THEATER TO 100,000.
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IT'S NOT CONSIDERABLE.WE CAN DO THIS FOR A LOT LESS THAN PUTTING A THEATER IN.
ONE SIDE IS $80,000 AND ONE SIDE IS 100,000.
IT'S THE NUMBERS ARE HERE WITH, TO USE YOUR PHRASE, WITH DUE RESPECT, THAT'S 180,000.
THAT'S NOT A MINUSCULE NUMBER.
IT'S IN THE REPORT TO SPEND IT ALL.
IT'S FINE. IT DOESN'T INCREASE THE AMOUNT.
GENTLEMEN, THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT.
I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE.
PERSONALLY, I'M GOOD WITH OPTION THREE FOR THE MOMENT BECAUSE IT COVERS ALL THE ARTS GROUPS.
IT COVERS THE THEATER, IT COVERS THE MUSEUM.
WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING A REC PLEX FOR HOW MANY YEARS WE GOT APPROVED FOR FUNDING? TWICE. WE'VE HAD THAT FUNDING PULLED TWICE.
WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING IT NOW.
THE REC PLEX HAS BEEN TORN APART.
WE'RE LUCKY IF IT LASTS THREE OR FOUR.
AND THAT'S FROM THE ENGINEERING REPORTS.
I DON'T WANT THIS ARTS HUB TO BE DISCUSSED IN FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BE DISCUSSED IN TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
THEATER BECAUSE THAT IS A NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I THINK COUNCILLOR MANN IS CORRECT IN HIS PASSION FOR THE MUSEUM.
I PERSONALLY THINK THAT OUR MUSEUM WAS UNDERUTILIZED AND DID NOT DISPLAY THE HISTORY OF ELLIOT LAKE.
IT DISPLAYED A SMALL FRACTION.
I KNOW THAT THE HISTORY OF ELLIOT LAKE GOES FURTHER BACK THAN THE URANIUM MINES.
AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WHO IS GOING TO GET ELECTED IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION WILL LOSE THAT SITE.
PERSONALLY SPEAKING WITH THE NWA AMMO, THEY'RE WILLING TO DONATE ARTIFACTS TO ADD TO OUR MUSEUM.
SO WE HAVE THE FULL LIFE CYCLE OF THE URANIUM INDUSTRY, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO REBUILD AND GIVE OUR ARTS COMMUNITY WHAT THEY NEED TONIGHT WITHOUT BLOWING THE WHOLE BANK.
THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE ON THE TABLE A AMENDMENT.
SO I WILL CALL ROLL CALL ON THE AMENDMENT.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE COUNCILLOR PEARCE OPPOSED.
WE'RE BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION AS AS STATED.
AND I WILL REITERATE AGAIN, I THINK THIS HOUSES EVERYBODY.
BUT I'M PERSONALLY NOT DONE WITH THE IDEA OF A NEW MUSEUM OR A NEW THEATER.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT.
SO I'M GOING TO CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE STAFF REPORT AND THE RECOMMENDATION AS IS.
I'LL START AGAIN. COUNCILLOR PATRIE AHEAD OF ME.
LIAM POST COUNCILLOR MANN POST COUNCILOR TURNER BEAVER.
AND I'M IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.
THANK YOU. 7.3 REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROCESS TO ACQUIRE AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION FOR THE MUNICIPALITY.
THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL AGREE IN PRINCIPLE THAT AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATION SHOULD BE INSTALLED ON MUNICIPAL PROPERTY AND THAT STAFF ARE DIRECTED TO APPLY THROUGH ONTARIO CHARGING NETWORK TO NATURAL RESOURCE CANADA FOR GRANT FUNDING FOR AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE
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CHARGING STATION.CAN I HAVE A MOVE REMOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN? SECONDER. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
CAN YOU HEAR THOSE MARBLES NOW, COUNCILOR TURNER? IT'S GETTING LOUDER.
ALL RIGHT. MR. ANTUNEZ, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE MAKE YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
AND THE FEDERAL MANDATE CALLS FOR 20% OF NEW CARS TO BE SOLD.
THAT WILL INCREASE TO 50% BY 2035.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE VERY WELCOMING TO INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINES.
SOME OF THE MATH THAT I DID, WHICH SURPRISED ME A LITTLE BIT, WAS IF YOU'RE DRIVING BETWEEN THE TWO AREAS AND YOU'RE DRIVING UP TO ELLIOT LAKE AND BACK OUT, THE AMOUNT OF KILOMETERS THAT ARE PUT ON THE VEHICLE, JUST DRIVING INTO THE MUNICIPALITY AND OUT ARE SOMEWHAT LIMITED OR A VERY HIGH EXCUSE ME, THERE'S TWO CHARGERS ALONG HIGHWAY 17 THAT CATER TO ALL EV VEHICLES.
IF YOU'RE DRIVING ANYTHING OTHER THAN A TESLA, THOSE CHARGERS ARE USELESS TO YOU.
IN SPEAKING TO A CONSULTANT, THE EXPECTATION IS BY LATE 2024 OR EARLY 2025 THAT TESLA WILL NOT BE THE MOST DOMINANT MANUFACTURER OF EVS.
THE CHARGER, THE LEAD WILL LIKELY GO TO VOLKSWAGEN GLOBALLY, ESPECIALLY.
THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT WE'VE SPOKEN TO.
AND WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE TO COME ACROSS TWO FIRMS THAT ARE HELPING US.
NOW, THE FIRST FIRM QUOTING ON THE PROJECT IS IVY.
SO THE WAY THAT SYSTEM WORKS OR THEIR PROGRAM WORKS, ESSENTIALLY IT'S TEN YEAR COMMITMENT FOR THE USE OF OR FOR THE OR PROVIDING THE SERVICE AND THE MONITORING AND THAT SIDE OF IT.
THE OTHER OPTION, OF COURSE, AND WE HAVE WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO COME ACROSS A LOCAL CONTRACTOR THROUGH EEI THAT WAS ABLE TO QUOTE ON THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO US IN THE ALTERNATIVE IS PURCHASING.
IT'S A DIRECT BUYOUT OF AN ELECTRIC CHARGER.
RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A GRANT BEING OFFERED THAT I'VE IS ABLE TO APPLY FOR ON OUR BEHALF THAT WILL OFFER A $75,000 GRANT THROUGH NATURAL RESOURCES CANADA AND OUR CAN.
SO THAT GIVES US A HECK OF AN INCENTIVE ON THAT SIDE.
WE ARE ALSO ABLE TO APPLY TO OTHER FUNDERS TO COVER 75% OF THE COST.
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EVERYTHING IS FAIRLY NEW.WE DID GET A QUOTE FROM BY A HIGH LEVEL QUOTE FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION AND THEN I'VE WILL BE ABLE TO DIAL IN THEIR NUMBERS ONCE THEY'RE ABLE TO DO AN ON SITE.
AND THEY DO THAT ONCE THEY'VE GOTTEN WORD BACK IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER FROM NARCAN WHETHER THE GRANT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL FROM OUR SIDE. RIGHT NOW, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT IS LIMITED.
SO RIGHT NOW, AT THIS STAGE, IT'S JUST LIMITED TO STAFF TIME.
THE BIGGEST PRO TO THE CHARGING OF THE SERVICE MODEL IS IT'S THERE, IT'S IN PLACE, IT'S A RECOGNIZED BRAND, THERE'S BRAND RECOGNITION AND IT IS A UNIT THAT'S MAINTAINED AND RUN ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE BY IVY.
THE MUNICIPALITY IN BOTH CASES GENERATES REVENUE FROM CHARGING.
WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO RESELL ELECTRICITY.
SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS, WE ARE CHARGING FOR A SERVICE TO USE TIME AND TO PLUG IN.
AND WE IN BOTH CASES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HYDRO COSTS.
SO WE OFFSET THE COST OF THE HYDRO BY WHAT WE CHARGE ON A PER MINUTE CHARGING BASIS.
AND BASICALLY STAFF ARE ASKING DIRECT OR COUNCILS DIRECTION TO CONTINUE ON APPROVE GET US AN APPLICATION THAT WE CAN COME BACK WITH TRULY WHAT WE'RE COSTING OR WHAT THE COST WILL BE APPLES TO APPLES.
WORSHIP THROUGH YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ANTUNES, FOR THIS REPORT.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S QUITE EASY FOR ME TO SUPPORT THIS.
BEYOND BEYOND THE TOURISM COMPONENT.
I'VE RECENTLY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH BUSINESS PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING UP FROM THE GTA TO GET TO ELLIOT LAKE AND THEN REALIZE THEY HAVE TO GO FURTHER WEST TO CHARGE BEFORE THEY HEAD BACK EAST.
REALLY, REALLY LOVE BLIND RIVER.
I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT OBVIOUSLY AND THANK YOU FOR WRITING THE REPORT TO SAY A MUNICIPAL PROPERTY.
I JUST ONE OF THOSE BECOMES A LITTLE PROBLEMATIC IN THE WINTER BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY.
IF YOU DO PUT IT AT THE MINERS MONUMENT.
SO AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF HIGH VELOCITY VEHICLES COMING THROUGH.
WE JUST NEED TO REALLY SIGN THINGS PROPERLY IF WE DO GO THAT WAY.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE MY ONLY CAUTIONS, BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD TONIGHT.
HAPPY TO SUPPORT IT. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
YOU WORSHIP THROUGH YOU. VERY INTERESTING POTENTIAL WITHIN THIS REPORT.
I GET IT. SO WE'RE APPROVING THIS IN PRINCIPLE WHICH WHICH I AGREE WITH.
IT'S I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT FLY.
WE COULDN'T PUT OUR WELCOME CENTER THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO HYDRO.
SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO RUN HYDRO TO THAT FACILITY.
I TOTALLY WANT TO SEE THIS REPORT COME FORWARD.
DEPENDING ON COST IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
AND BASED ON FURTHER GRANT APPLICATIONS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, I'M NOT VERY MUCH OF THE TECHIE WORLD, BUT COUNCILLOR MANN ARE NOW STARTING TO MAKE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS, SO IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO HAVE IT ON THE SKIDOO TRAIL.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU.
THREE, TWO. MR. ANTUNES THANK YOU.
MR. ANTUNES DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT JUST TO ADD TO WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE HAD MENTIONED, MOST OF THE PLACES WHERE WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE IT INSTALLED WOULD REQUIRE THE THREE PHASE JUMP UP TO HAVE IT THERE.
AND THE IDEA OF THE MINERS MEMORIAL WAS VERY CENTRAL, EASY TO GET OUT AND WANDER AROUND AND SIT.
WE'RE TAKING THIS STEP BECAUSE THE PRIVATE SECTOR HASN'T TAKEN THE STEP.
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SO WE DID REACH OUT TO A FEW MEMBERS OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT THE ECONOMIC DEPARTMENT COMMUNICATES WITH AND SAID, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, WE WILL GLADLY BACK OFF.BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT HERE AS AN OPTION FOR FOR RESIDENTS TO COME IN AND VISIT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THAT'S OKAY TO THROUGH YOU, TO MR. ANTUNES, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
I THINK THAT THIS IS A NO BRAINER.
I THINK IN TODAY'S AGE WE HAVE TO BE PROGRESSIVE AND BE A LITTLE BIT PROACTIVE.
HAVING HAD A CONVERSATION IN THIS BUILDING WITH A GENTLEMAN WITH AN EV AND REALIZING WE RAN ELECTRICAL CORDS FROM INSIDE THE BUILDING, OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, IN ORDER TO HIM TO CHARGE UP HIS VEHICLE THAT HE DROVE TO CITY HALL.
THAT WAS AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION, AND I LEARNED A LOT.
I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE TESLA CHARGERS, SO THAT'S INTERESTING TO KNOW.
BUT WE WENT FROM NOT PLOWING IT TO PARTIALLY PLOWING IT TO.
SO MAYBE WE CAN FULLY PLOW IT AND MAKE ACCOMMODATION FOR FOR ALL THINGS WE NEED IT TO BE, INCLUDING A WELCOME CENTER THAT MAYBE IS A REAL BUILDING AND COULD BE PERMANENT WITH HYDRO AND OPEN ALL YEAR ROUND WITH A CHARGING CENTER IN IT.
THAT WOULD BE VERY COOL, BUT IN A WASHROOM.
BUT THERE'S LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES HERE.
AND I GUESS MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS BECAUSE I'M NOT A TECHIE OR NERDY PERSON LIKE OTHERS ON COUNCIL, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO CHARGE AN EV? MR. ANTUNES TO GET THEM TO ANOTHER CHARGER.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLES IN THE [INAUDIBLE] COME OUT A LITTLE BIT.
A LOT OF VARIABLES DEPENDING ON WHETHER WINTER IS HORRIBLE FOR EVS AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN HERE AND WHAT WE'RE PURSUING, AND THE REASON IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLY THAN OTHERS IS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT 150 TO 180 KILOWATT CHARGER.
REASON BEING IS 150 TO 180 KILOWATT CHARGER WILL CHARGE YOUR VEHICLE MUCH MORE QUICKLY.
SO TYPICALLY, AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO VARY FROM VEHICLE TO VEHICLE TIME OF YEAR, TIME OF YEAR, BUT THE HOPE IS A 30 TO 40 MINUTE VARY DEEP CHARGE. SO TO GET IT UP TO THE 75 TO 80%.
THE IDEA IS NOT TO ENCOURAGE THEM TOP OFF IN ELLIOT LAKE UNTIL YOU CAN GET SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THE IDEA OF 180 KILOWATT CHARGER IS TOP OFF YOUR VEHICLE SO YOU CAN GET TO SUDBURY AND GO THERE.
SO THAT'S WHERE THE ALTERNATIVE WHERE SAY A HOTEL OR SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU WILL STAY A LONGER POINT WOULD HAVE A LOWER KILOWATT CHARGER BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO CHARGE FOR SIX, SEVEN, 8 HOURS.
SO THE IDEA IS CHARGE FOR 30 MINUTES, GET THE HECK OUT.
YES, I DID HAVE A QUESTION IN HERE.
YOU MENTIONED THAT IT INCLUDES EQUIPMENT, MAINTENANCE AND MONITORING.
WOULD THAT ALSO INCLUDE UPGRADES? BECAUSE AS WE ARE SITTING ON THE CUSP OF THE BEGINNING OF THIS LIFE WITH EVS, I'M SURE THINGS WILL CHANGE, AND AS NEW COMPANIES MAKE MORE VEHICLES AND THAT THINGS COULD CHANGE.
SO I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IVY IS ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE CURRENT TRENDS.
THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP. THAT'S WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE BIT INTERESTING.
THE REASON IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COSTLY IS BECAUSE OF THAT HIGHER LEVEL CHARGER.
RIGHT NOW, A 50 KILOWATT CHARGER WILL SATISFY A GOOD CHUNK OF THE VEHICLES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND GIVE THEM A GOOD ENOUGH CHARGE WITHIN 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR TO GET GOING, BUT AS CAPACITY RAISES, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GO UP FROM HERE IN BATTERY CAPACITY.
SO MY STEP AND MY RECOMMENDATION WAS TO GO A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AND FUTUREPROOF OURSELVES, BECAUSE THIS IS A TEN YEAR COMMITMENT EITHER WITH IVY OR WITH THE OPTION PRESENTED BY BEI.
AGAIN, NOT TO SAY THAT 8 TO 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IVY WON'T COME KNOCKING ON THE DOOR BECAUSE [INAUDIBLE] OPG AND HYDRO ONE TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE SWAPPING OUT YOUR UNIT BECAUSE THE EV WORLD HAS CHANGED COMPLETELY AND NOW THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS.
THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
YES, I GUESS WE ALL PRETTY MUCH SUPPORT THIS.
I THINK LIKE COUNCILLOR MANN, I'VE HAD BOTH BUSINESS ASSOCIATES AND FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE DRIVING
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UNFORTUNATELY TESLAS, BUT THEY HAVE FOUND IT EXTREMELY DIFFICULT GETTING TO ELLIOT LAKE AND BACK.ONE COMING FROM OTTAWA THE OTHER ONE COMING FROM TORONTO.
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
I'M ASSUMING GOING IN THAT OBVIOUSLY A TESLA WILL BE CHARGEABLE AT THIS LOCATION? THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP. YES, SIR.
THE TESLA BECAUSE OF THE BRANDING, THE SUPERCHARGERS ARE PART OF THE BRAND THE MARKETING PLAN FOR TESLA AS A WHOLE, BUT THIS WILL BE ABLE TO CHARGE ANY ELECTRIC VEHICLE, AND FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN MADE TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE CONSULTANT SIDE OF IT, THEY ARE STANDARDIZING THE PLUGS FOR ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLES FOR THIS VERY REASON GOING FORWARD, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR. MUSK AND TESLA. YEAH, IF I MAY, I KNOW THAT GENERAL MOTORS AND FORD BOTH OFFER WALL UNITS THAT YOU CAN PUT INTO YOUR HOME SO YOU CAN CHARGE, AND AGAIN, IT'S A STANDARDIZED FORMAT THAT THEY'RE USING, AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO GO. I KNOW THAT AGAIN, THE TWO PEOPLE THAT DROVE UP HERE, USED OUTLETS IN MY HOUSE AND IT TOOK PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE TWO DAYS BEFORE THEY GOT THEIR CHARGE BACK, BUT HOPEFULLY THEY CAN DO A LOT BETTER.
SO, YES, IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA.
LET'S GO WITH IT. FINAL QUESTION, IS THERE ANYPLACE ELSE OTHER THAN THE MINERS' MEMORIAL THAT WE CAN PUT ONE OF THESE? THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP, WE CAN.
THE NICE THING ABOUT THE IVY APPLICATION IS THEY'VE DONE THIS A LOT AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF DATA.
SO THEIR APPLICATION IS MUCH MORE FLUID THAN ANYTHING WE CAN DO.
SO THE IVY REPRESENTATIVES DID SAY THAT THEY ARE FLUID ON WHERE WE CAN GO.
WE CAN'T APPLY TO PUT IT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
COUNCILOR TURNER. THANKS, YOUR WORSHIP.
THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES, AND AS FOR WHERE IT CAN GO, WE HAVE SOME HUGE PARKING LOTS IN THE CITY, TOO, THAT AREN'T ALWAYS TOTALLY FULL.
I'M SURE THERE'S ROOM IN THOSE FOR ADDITIONAL CHARGERS SHOULD WE NEED THEM.
IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY FROM SPEAKING WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY.
IN THE LONG RUN, THIS PROJECT IS ESSENTIALLY COST NEUTRAL TO THE CITY.
AM I CORRECT? THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP.
POTENTIALLY. I KNOW WHEN YOU AND I HAVE THE DISCUSSION, IT'S REALLY GOING TO DEPEND ON UPTAKE IN SOME SIMPLE MATH THAT I DID THE FIRST YEAR OR SO.
WE CAN'T CHARGE $200 AN HOUR FOR CHARGING A.) NO ONE WOULD DO IT, AND B.) IVY AND OTHER GROUPS WOULDN'T LET YOU DO IT, BUT AS TIME GOES ON, IT IS DESIGNED FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND OTHER APPLICATIONS THAT IT IS COST NEUTRAL.
AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO REALLY, TO BE VERY HONEST, IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON THE VOLUME THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT AS WE'VE SEEN, THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES WILL LIKELY ALLOW US TO GET TO THAT VERY QUICKLY.
YEAH, YOUR WORSHIP, I THINK THE GROWING NUMBER OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES IS OBVIOUS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS MANDATING A MINIMUM NUMBER AND PRODUCTION OF THESE VEHICLES.
I THINK THAT WE SHOULD KEEP IN MIND THAT.
NOT ONLY ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE ONE STATION WOULD PROBABLY REQUIRE MORE STATIONS, AND WE SHOULD CONSIDER THIS AT THE TIME OF APPLYING FOR THE GRANT. CAN THE GRANT GET LARGER IF WE WANT MORE STATIONS? THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP? YES, THE GRANT DOES GROW INCREMENTALLY IF YOU APPLY FOR MULTIPLE STATIONS.
IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF ARE WE IN A POSITION TO LOOK AT A POTENTIALLY 50, 60, $80K A YEAR COST FOR CHARGERS?
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AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THE GRANT COMES BACK, AND THEN WE WOULD COMPARE THAT WITH THE BI QUOTE FOR THE PURCHASED UNIT TO BE ABLE TO LET COUNCIL MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON WHICH AVENUE WOULD BE BETTER, WHETHER IT'S AN UPFRONT COST AND PAY FOR IT ALL TODAY OR A FEE FOR SERVICE, BUT IN EITHER CASE, THERE IS THE OPTION TO PUT IN MORE IF COUNCIL SO DESIRES.COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.
COUNCILLOR TURNER TOUCHED ON MY POINT.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT HAVING IT ABLE TO BE SCALABLE QUICKLY IF THE NEED ARISE.
RIGHT, AND THAT'S THE POTENTIAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY HAVE AS THIS COMES.
TWO PEOPLE WAITING AT THE SAME TIME AS IT'S A SLOWER CHARGER.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE IN AN HOUR AND COME BACK.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I JUST WANTED TO REMIND, I GUESS, STAFF AND COUNCIL THAT THIS ISN'T THE MINERS' MEMORIAL PARK, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD TO IT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT, BUT WE NEED TO REMEMBER THE INTENT OF WHAT THIS PARK IS.
I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE CONSULTANTS AS WELL, AND I WAS VERY SENSITIVE TO THE POTENTIAL TO COMPETE WITH PRIVATE ENTERPRISES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE'RE DOING THIS TO SERVE AN URGENT NEED IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT THE TIME WILL COME THAT THE JUST TO THROW A BRAND NAMES THE TIM HORTONS, THE MCDONALD'S, THE [INAUDIBLE], THE WHATEVER PRIVATE ENTERPRISE AND OTHER CAR DEALERSHIPS WILL LIKELY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WILL INCLUDE IT, AND OUR COST RECOVERY AND OUR COST COMPETITIVENESS WILL GO DOWN BECAUSE I ASSUME COUNCIL WOULD PROBABLY GIVE DIRECTION TO NOT COMPETE AND UNDERCUT PRIVATE ENTERPRISE FOR CHARGING.
SO THE IDEA IS TO HAVE ONE CHARGER TO DEAL WITH AN URGENT NEED AND THE UNDERSTANDING IS THE PRIVATE ENTERPRISE WILL STEP UP AND ELLIOT LAKE WILL HAVE MULTIPLE CHARGES AS TIME GOES ON. THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES. I'D LIKE TO SAY WE'RE STEPPING INTO THE FUTURE, BUT WE'RE NOT.
THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD TEN YEARS AGO.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN STEPPING INTO THE FUTURE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE MIGHT EVEN WANT TO DISCUSS IN THE FUTURE IS EV UTVS FOR REC DEPARTMENT, SEASONAL USE AND POSSIBLY EVEN BYLAWS WOULD SAVE THE MUNICIPALITY A LOT OF MONEY ON ON FUEL AND BIG TRUCK EXPENSE.
COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
SO WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS IN PRINCIPLE.
WHEN DO WE EXPECT THE ACTUAL COST AND A REPORT COMING BACK FORWARD TO SEE IF THIS IS ACTUALLY WORTHWHILE FOR US TO DO AS A MUNICIPALITY? THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP COUNCILLOR PATRIE THE INDICATION FROM THE FOLKS AT IVY IS THAT [INAUDIBLE] HAS BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVE WITH THEIR RESPONSE.
SO THE REPRESENTATIVE IS SUGGESTING OCTOBER, WE ALREADY HAVE A QUOTE TODAY FROM BI FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALL UNIT. SO WE'RE GUESSING LATE SEPTEMBER, EARLY OCTOBER TO BE ABLE TO GIVE COUNCIL THE TWO OPTIONS OF CHARGING AS A SERVICE AS A COST VERSUS THE BUY UPFRONT COST.
SO THE REPORT'S GOING TO COME PRIOR TO FUNDING APPROVAL, POTENTIALLY.
THE WHOLE REASON WE HAVE TO APPROVE THIS TONIGHT IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE FUNDING BECAUSE IT'S AN AUGUST 11TH DEADLINE TO APPLY, BUT IT SAID OCTOBER T HAT'S WHEN THEY WILL LET US KNOW WHETHER WE'RE APPROVED OR NOT.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND A SEPTEMBER DATE.
THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP. CORRECT. SO OCTOBER IS THE FINAL DATE.
HE HAS SUGGESTED THAT SEPTEMBER, LATE SEPTEMBER.
SO WHAT WE WILL DO IS ONCE IVY HAS APPLIED FOR THE GRANT AND IF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE IS SUCCESSFUL, THAT GOES INTO THEIR TOTAL QUOTE TO PROVIDE THE AS A SERVICE COST SO THEY ESSENTIALLY AMORTIZE THE AMOUNT OVER TEN YEARS.
IF IT'S 150,000, IT'S 15 GRAND.
SO THAT QUOTE FROM IVY IS TRULY DEPENDENT ON WHAT THE IF THE GRANT IS SUCCESSFUL, IF THE GRANT IS NOT SUCCESSFUL, THEN IVY WILL COME IN AND GIVE US A QUOTE AT WHATEVER FULL POP WOULD BE, BUT THAT NUMBER FROM I'VE AS A CHARGE FOR SERVICE FEE IS BASED ON THE SUCCESS OR DECLINE OF THE GRANT.
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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.[8. PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS]
MUNICIPAL ENFORCEMENT AND BUILDING.COUNCILLOR PEARCE IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
AT THE AUGUST 2ND MEETING OF THE BYLAW AND PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING, THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR OF CLERKS AND PLANNING SERVICES READ DEPARTMENT UPDATE JANUARY TO JULY BE RECEIVED AND BE FORWARDED TO COUNCIL FOR INFORMATION AND I SO MOVE.
THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU'D LIKE TO ADD AS THE CHAIR, COUNCILLOR PEARCE? FAIRLY LENGTHY REPORT.
I THINK ALL THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE SEEN IT.
I FEEL THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED ABOUT THE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT IN PARTICULAR, SHE HAS GONE INTO A GREAT DEAL OF DETAIL ON THAT, BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF MS. BRAY, I THINK WE WILL PERHAPS IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATING TO IT, I WOULD DEFER FOR MS. BRAY TO RESPOND TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCILLORS AT THAT TIME.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ON THE REPORT? OKAY. I KNOW MR. THOMAS ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT REVENUE GENERATION, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR MS. BRAY TO RESPOND TO IN THE FUTURE.
THAT BEING SAID, CALL FOR THE VOTE.
AT THE AUGUST 2ND, 2022 RECREATION CULTURE STANDING COMMITTEE, THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE ELLIOT LAKE MINERS' MONUMENT CONTRACT WITH LBB INC BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED AND THAT THE REQUIRED FUNDS BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE MINERS' MEMORIAL CARE FUND AND I SO MOVE.
SECONDER. COUNCILLOR TURNER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
YES, I THINK I'LL [INAUDIBLE] TO AT THE JANUARY 24TH MEETING THIS YEAR IN 2022 COUNCIL MEETING, AN INITIAL REPORT REGARDING THE ADDITION OF A FOURTH COLUMN AT THE MINERS' MEMORIAL PARK WAS RECEIVED IN THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION CARRIED THAT THE REPORT OF MUSEUM CURATOR DATED JANUARY 19, 2022 BE RECEIVED, AND THAT THE REQUIRED FUNDS FOR THE ADDITION OF A FOURTH COLUMN AT THE MINERS' MEMORIAL BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE MINERS' MEMORIAL CARE FUND.
WHAT'S HAPPENED SINCE THEN IS THAT THE PROJECTED COST OF THE FOURTH COLUMN INCREASED FROM 22000 TO 28000, BOTH PRIOR TO TAXES.
IN ADDITION, WE RECEIVED THE COST FOR THE BRONZE MINER HELMET, WHICH WAS 9500 PRIOR TO TAX FOR A TOTAL PROJECT COST OF $37,500. THE BRONZE HELMET MINER HELMET IS AN ADDITIONAL INSTALLMENT TO THE STATUE OF THE MINER TO BE PLACED ON THE RIGHT WHEN FACING THE STATUE OF THE MINER AND HIS LUNCHBOX LIKE THE MINERS' HELMET ON THIS STATUE, THE NEWLY COMMISSIONED HELMET WILL ALSO HAVE AN INTERNAL LIGHT THAT ILLUMINATES THE FOURTH COLUMN. THIS WILL HELP TO INTEGRATE THE NEW COLUMN WITH THE OLD AS WELL AS CARRY OVER TO THE ARTIST SENTIMENT OF A LIGHT INTERNALLY SHINING OVER THE NAMES OF THE FALLEN WORKERS. IF WE ARE TO PROCEED WITH THIS WORK ORDER, INSTALLATION WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED BEFORE THE END OF NOVEMBER 2022, AS STATED IN THE CONTRACT.
THIS WILL ENSURE THE WALL IS IN PLACE FOR 2023 DAY OF MOURNING CEREMONY READY TO INDUCT NEW MEMBERS.
FINANCIAL IMPACT IS THAT THE AS OF JULY 25TH, THE MINERS' MEMORIAL CARE FUND WAS AT $66,584.28.
AND IF THE $42,375 NEEDED FOR THESE MONUMENTS IS APPROVED, THE MINERS' MEMORIAL CARE FUND WILL BE LEFT WITH A BALANCE OF $53,532.78 PENDING FUTURE BRICK PURCHASES AND DONATIONS.
THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
MS. D'AMATO, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? OH, I DIDN'T SEE YOU ON THERE.
OH, THAT WAS PERFECT. THAT WAS A PERFECT SUMMARY.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? COUNCILLOR PATRIE? JUST ONE QUESTION.
AT THE MEETING, AND I'M GOING TO PUT MR. DOYLE ON THE HOOK.
I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT MS. D'AMATO WAS THERE EITHER, BUT THERE WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT IF IT WASN'T INSTALLED BY THIS NOVEMBER,
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CAN WE GET THE BASE PREPPED SO THAT IT CAN GO IN FIRST THING IN THE SPRING CAN WE HAVE IT 100% READY? THROUGH YOU, MR. MAYOR.SO OBVIOUSLY THEN YOU'VE HAD THE CONVERSATIONS WITH MS. D'AMATO AND BECAUSE AT THE MEETING, CAUGHT YOU OFF GUARD.
SO THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION VIRTUALLY IS YES, CORRECT? YES, YOU'RE CORRECT. THROUGH YOU, MR. MAYOR, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THE DRAWINGS FOR IT, THEN WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE PLACEMENT OF THAT, IT'S ALSO THE PLACING OF THE HYDRO, THE LIGHTING, ETC.. SO. GOOD.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
AS MS. D'AMATO KNOWS, THE MINERS' MEMORIAL COMMITTEE IS VERY, VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS.
WE THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED AT THE PARK TO BECAUSE WE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE NAMES COMING UP AS SOME OF OUR MORE SENIOR MINERS BEGIN TO PASS AWAY, UNFORTUNATELY.
AGAIN, I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I RAISED AT THE AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.
THE QUESTION I RAISED THAT THE COMMITTEE, WHICH I STILL AM CONCERNED ABOUT, AND THAT IS, WILL THE ARTWORK BE DONE IN TIME BECAUSE THAT'S WHICH IS THE LEAD INTO WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE WAS SAYING.
IF [INAUDIBLE] CAN GET THE STUFF DONE TO US ON TIME, THAT IS REALLY THE FIRST QUESTION, AND I'LL ASK YOU IN THE SAME VEIN, DO YOU THINK 100% PROBABILITY OR 95% PROBABILITY THAT WE WILL GET ON TIME? MS. D'AMATO. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP LIKE MR. DOYLE? I CAN'T SAY WITH 100% CERTAINTY.
SORRY, I CANNOT PROVIDE A MORE ACCURATE TIMELINE.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.
THANK YOU. 8.3 REPORT FROM THE MUSEUM CURATOR MEMORIAL BRICK PURCHASE COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
AT THE AUGUST 2ND, 2022 RECREATION AND CULTURE STANDING COMMITTEE, THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE ELLIOT LAKE MONUMENTS CONTRACT BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED, AND THAT THE REQUIRED FUNDS OF $13,051.50 BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE MINERS' MEMORIAL CARE FUND, AND I WILL.
TO REFER TO MS. D'AMATO. OKAY.
SO YOU'VE MOVED IS THERE A SECONDER.
SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE. THANK YOU, MS. D'AMATO, FIRE AWAY.
THANK YOU. THROUGH YOUR YOUR WORSHIP.
IT WOULD BE PRUDENT FOR THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE TO PURCHASE ANOTHER 100 MEMORIAL BRICKS FROM THE ELLIOT LAKE MONUMENTS COMPANY SO THAT THEY CAN BE PLACED IN RESERVE BEFORE MARKET PRICES INCREASE EVEN FURTHER.
SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAVE PURCHASED BRICKS IN DECEMBER OF 2020, THE BRICKS HAVE INCREASED $11.50 PER BRICK THROUGH OUR MANUFACTURER, BRINGING THE TOTAL COST OF EACH BRICK TO $115.50.
THE TOTAL COST OF PURCHASING THE 100 MEMORIAL BRICKS WILL BE $13,051.50, AND THIS WILL ALSO PROLONG ALL OUR CONTRACT WITH ELLIOT LAKE MONUMENTS.
THAT WILL INCLUDE THE COST OF ENGRAVING AND DELIVERY SERVICE THAT THEY PROVIDE.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.
THANK YOU. 8.4 A MEMO FROM DIRECTOR OF RECREATION AND CULTURE.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE ONCE AGAIN BIG INTRO.
AUGUST 2ND, 2022 [INAUDIBLE] YOUR MIC'S NOT ON.
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UPDATE BE RECEIVED AND THAT THE REPORT BE FORWARDED ON TO THE AUGUST EIGHT, 2022 COUNCIL MEETING FOR CONSIDERATION AND I SO MOVE.THANK YOU. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN LOOK FOR A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW.
IF YOU CAN MS. [INAUDIBLE], YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO DETAIL BECAUSE WE ARE ALL THERE.
THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP.
YEAH, SO I'VE PROVIDED AN UPDATE OF MY FIRST SIX MONTHS WITH THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND A LOT OF TIME WAS SPENT WITH EVENTS, PLANNING EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THIS SUMMER AND SPRING AND THEN ALSO JUST SHARED SOME FURTHER DETAIL ON OTHER TIMES.
SO SPENDING TIME ASSISTING A LOT AT THE POOL RIGHT NOW WITH STAFFING PROGRAMING, CLEANING UP A LOT AND THEN A LOT MOVING FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTING OUR NEW SOFTWARE, RECREATION SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO AND JUST ALSO INCREASING PROGRAMING AT THE COLLINS HALL, AND WE'VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF STAFF HIRING IN THE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
WITH ALL THE EVENTS, PROGRAMING, HIRING AND OTHER STUFF YOU HAVE LISTED HERE.
HOW'S YOUR FIRST SIX MONTHS BEEN? IT'S BEEN GOOD.
GOING TO STICK AROUND A WHILE LONGER, RIGHT? OKAY, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. JUST A QUESTION REGARDING THE EVENTS, BOTH REC AND CULTURE AND DEV BOTH HAVE THE STREET DANCE AND THE DRAG RACES.
YES. THANK YOU, AND THE DRAG RACE IS BOTH ON THEIR REPORTS.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW AND I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT BECAUSE YOU'RE BOTH IN THE SAME ROOM.
WHO WILL BE PROVIDING THE FINANCIAL REPORT TO COUNCIL AND WHEN WILL WE BE EXPECTING IT? POST MORTEM, MR. GAGNON. THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT'LL BE MS. SONNENBURG TREASURY AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER, PROBABLY SEPTEMBER, FOR THE STREET DANCE.
WE KNOW TO THE PENNY THE REVENUE THAT WE BROUGHT IN, BUT WE'RE STILL INCURRING EXPENSES THAT ARE COMING IN, AND IF WE SPEAK TOO COHERENTLY NOW, THEN WE'RE GOING TO REALIZE A COUPLE OF MONTHS FROM NOW THAT, OH, WE FORGOT ABOUT THAT BILL.
OH, AND THAT BILL CAME IN LATE AND OH, WELL, THE BOTTOM LINE IS NO LONGER THEIR BOTTOM LINE, SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT MS. SONNENBURG WE'LL HAVE IT DOWN TO THE PENNY AND WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE TRUE COST IS OF BOTH OF THOSE EVENTS, AND KEEP THAT IN CONSIDERATION FOR NEXT NEXT YEAR, NEXT TERM.
THANK YOU, MR. COUNCILLOR MANN.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU ND THANK MS. [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE REPORT AS WELL.
I RECEIVED A COVID ISOLATION DELIVERY, CONTACTLESS BEAVER TAILS THROUGH THAT.
SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT IT WAS MADE MY ISOLATION A LITTLE BETTER THAT PARTICULAR DAY.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ARRANGING THE TRUCK.
OTHER QUESTIONS, I WANT TO REITERATE THE THANK YOU TO ALL DEPARTMENTS.
EVERYTHING'S BEEN ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT AND I THINK THE WHOLE COMMUNITY REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATES YOUR YOUR WORK AND DEDICATION, AND THAT'S TO ALL OUR STAFF BECAUSE I KNOW ABSOLUTELY EVERYBODY WAS INVOLVED IN MAKING THESE EVENTS HAPPEN.
HAD A LOT OF FUN, SMILING FACES EVERYWHERE.
WITH THAT, RECEIVED THE UPDATE.
THANK YOU. 8.5 MEMO FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MONTHLY DEPARTMENT REPORT COUNCILLOR TURNER. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP AT THE AUGUST 2ND MEETING OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDING COMMITTEE, THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE REPORT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER BE RECEIVED AND FORWARDED TO COUNCIL, AND YOU SO MOVE , AND I SO MOVE.
SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, COUNCILOR TURNER OR WOULD YOU LIKE MR. ANTUNES TO GIVE US THAT HIGH END OVERVIEW ONCE AGAIN? YES, YOUR WORSHIP.
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IN, EVERYTHING FROM FOX DRIVE TO THE D4 AND PHASE ONE, ENVIRONMENTAL ON [INAUDIBLE] AND PEARSON AREA BUSINESS RETENTION.DIFFERENT EVENTS ARE INVOLVED IN THE CHARGING STATION THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT AND AN UPDATE ON THEIR RESOURCES, LAND SALES AND BUSINESS OUTREACH.
SO I MUST SAY THAT STAFF HAVE BEEN INCREDIBLY BUSY AND WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE AND THE REPORT THEY PUT TOGETHER FOR US IS PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE AND GAVE US A GOOD OVERVIEW OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND DOING IT WELL, AND I'LL PASS IT OVER TO MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU.
MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP, AND THANK YOU, COUNCILOR TURNER.
THERE IS A LOT TO COVER AND WE'RE GETTING LATE IN THE EVENING.
FIRST AND FOREMOST, TO THE STAFF IN THE DEPARTMENT, MR. HURD AND MRS. DOYLE WORKED THEIR FINGERS TO THE BONE IN THEIR BACKSIDES OFF GETTING READY FOR BOTH THE STREET DANCE AND THE DRAG RACES, AND THEY BOTH INPUT A LOT OF TIME, AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THEIR INPUT AND THEIR HELP FROM THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SIDE TO GET THE EVENTS PUT ON AND A QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER. MR..
I BELIEVE IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP ENVIRO CONCERN WITH THE SENATOR TRAILER PARK AREA, AND I KNOW THAT YOU PUT IN HERE THE D4 AND PHASE ONE ENVIRO AND THAT ALL LOOKS GOOD IN THAT AREA.
THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE'RE STILL WAITING TO FIND OUT IN EARNEST HOW GOOD IT IS.
THERE WAS NO HUGE RED FLAGS THAT HAVE POPPED UP, BUT BOTH THE D4 DID HAVE A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING SOME METHANE MONITORING, AND THE PHASE ONE HAD THE RECOMMENDATION, AS THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO HAVE, TO HAVE TO DO A PHASE TWO.
SO THE METHANE MONITORING WOULDN'T BE IN THE SENATOR AREA WOULD BE WAY OVER WHERE THE LANDFILL WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF PEARSON? NO, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD BE CLOSER TO THE INTERSECTION OF PEARSON DRIVE AND ASTON ROAD NORTH, WHERE THE LANDFILL WAS.
THAT'S WHERE THE METHANE MONITORING WOULD BE.
NOTHING REALLY FURTHER EAST FROM THAT.
IT WOULD BE A FEW POCKETS THAT THEY'D JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT NOTHING'S BUBBLING DOWN.
I GUESS BUBBLING IS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT GROWING DOWN THERE.
EXPANDING. THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES. COUNCILLOR MANN THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
SO THANK YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THAT RESEARCH COMING FORWARD.
COUNCILLOR PATRIE. FOLLOW UP TO HIS WORSHIPS QUESTION THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP.
SO DO WE KNOW THE METHANE REPORTING THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE.
DID WE FIND OUT SINCE THE MEETING HOW LONG THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN? THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP, NO, COUNCILLOR PATRIE NOT YET.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO BOTH THE ORIGINAL PROPONENT THAT DID THE PHASE ONE AND THE ORIGINAL D4 FOUR, AS WELL AS A SECONDARY PROPONENT, AND BOTH ARE STILL GETTING BACK TO US ON QUOTING IN TIMELINE.
BOTH TULLOCH AND TERRA PROBE ARE THE TWO FIRMS THAT WE'VE REACHED OUT TO, AND I FOLLOWED UP AS RECENTLY AS LAST THURSDAY AND STILL HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK YET, AND SORRY, AN EXTENSION TO COUNCILLOR MANN.
I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE TRAILHEAD ON THE MARKETING SIDE OF WHAT WE CAN DO.
COUNCILLOR PEARCE THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MR. ANTUNES VERY QUICK QUESTION ON THE TRAILHEAD.
WE DON'T OWN THAT, DO WE? THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP, NO, SIR WE RENT IT.
OKAY, AND HOW LONG IS THE LEASE? I MIGHT HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. GAGNON, AS IT'S BEFORE MY TIME, BUT I WAS CLEANING UP SOME OLD PAPERWORK TODAY AND WE'VE HAD IT AS A LEASE SPOT FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS.
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SO I DON'T THINK THAT THE AND I DON'T WANT TO JINX OURSELVES.I DON'T THINK THE CURRENT LANDOWNERS ARE TOO CRAZY ABOUT GIVING IT UP TO US WE'RE USING IT.
COUNCILLOR MANN HAS BASICALLY GIVEN ME HAND SIGNALS.
I THINK I'VE GOT IT THERE. SO WE'RE GOOD.
THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
WOULD A RENTED SPOT BE CONSIDERED MUNICIPAL PROPERTY THAT A CHARGING STATION COULD BE ON? OR YOU WANT TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO ELLIOT LAKE WITH THE CHARGING STATION THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP? NO, IF WE DID WANT TO PUT A CHARGING STATION THERE, WE ACTUALLY WOULD VERY MUCH AS IF WE WERE A TENANT OR YOU WERE A TENANT IN AN OFFICE BUILDING.
YOU'D HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE OWNERSHIP AND AGAIN, NOTHING FROM THE CURRENT OWNERS BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD TO US OVER THE NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT IF WE ARE ON A YEAR TO YEAR RENTAL AND WE SPEND $200,000 TO PUT A CHARGING STATION IN THERE, I KNOW I AS A LANDLORD WOULD PROBABLY SAY THANKS VERY MUCH AND THANKS FOR THE $200,000 CHARGER.
JUST A QUESTION HERE NOW, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THE TRAILHEAD, AND THAT'S A WAY TO GET PEOPLE TO COME UP INTO ELLIOT LAKE PART OF OUR TOURISM STRATEGY AND POTENTIAL FOR TRAILS MAPPING TO BE INSTALLED DOWN THERE, AND HOW DOES THAT FLOW INTO THE TOURISM INITIATIVES? BECAUSE I'VE BEEN READING A LOT OF THINGS ONLINE AS OF RECENT THAT THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE NEEDS TO KIND OF BOOST OUR TOURISM OPPORTUNITY.
SO MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE US MORE DETAIL ON THE TOURISM INITIATIVES, MR. ANTUNES, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE THINK YOUR WORSHIP SEVERAL THINGS THAT THE TRAILHEAD SERVES AS AS THE MAIN DRAW INTO THE COMMUNITY, DRAWING PEOPLE IN.
IT'S GOING TO SERVE AS AS A HUMAN, POTENTIALLY HUMAN SPOT WHERE NOT ONLY CAN WE HAVE IT SERVE AS A STOPPING POINT WHERE WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE THERE TO MARKET THE CITY, BUT OTHER INITIATIVES THROUGH THE CITY, WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR FRIENDS AT THE ELLIOT LAKE SNOWBIRDS IN SOME INITIATIVES THERE, THE ELLIOT LAKE ATV CLUB HAS JOINED OFATV WHICH IS A FANTASTIC PROGRAM AND DRAWING THAT IN.
WE'RE WORKING WITH SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO IDENTIFY SOME TRAILS FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND ONCE WE ARE ABLE TO INVENTORY AND FULLY IDENTIFY OUR TRAILS, WE CAN THEN IN TURN MARKET TO A BUNCH OF GROUPS, BE IT MOUNTAIN BIKERS WHO ARE VERY WELL KNOWN FOR THEIR ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THE COMMUNITIES TO CROSS COUNTRY SKIERS, SNOW [INAUDIBLE]. WE'RE WORKING ON INVENTORYING WHAT WE HAVE.
WE CAN'T PROMOTE THE CITY AS A TOURISM SPOT UNLESS WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROMOTE.
SO THAT'S WHAT STAFF IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH A LOT OF HELP FROM THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO ARE FANTASTIC TO WORK WITH IN INVENTORYING WHAT WE HAVE TO DRAW IN AND THEN IN TURN EXPANDING OUR ABILITIES AND OUR REACH TO GO TO THINGS LIKE THE OUTDOOR SHOW AND DRAWING PEOPLE INTO THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT, AND OF COURSE, MISSISSAUGA PARK.
I SEE COUNCILOR PIERCE'S EYES DRILLING INTO ME.
IF I DON'T MENTION MISSISSAUGA PARK, THAT'S A FANTASTIC ASSET FOR US AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, IT'S A FULL DRAW INTO THE COMMUNITY OF WHAT WE OFFER.
I THINK YOU HIT ALL ANGLES THERE.
SO I WILL LOOK FOR THE VOTE, I THINK IS TO RECEIVE THE REPORT.
THANK YOU. NINE OUTSIDE BOARD AND COMMITTEE REPORTING THERE IS NONE THIS EVENING.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS. 10.1 ARTS AND CULTURE HUB UPDATE.
SORRY. [INAUDIBLE] GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF HERE.
AT THE AUGUST 2ND, 2022 MEETING OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDING COMMITTEE FOLLOWING A RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE REPORT OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER BE RECEIVED, AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE UNDERTAKING OF A COMMUNITY BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAM, AND I SO MOVE SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION COUNCILOR TURNER, OR DO WE WANT TO HAND THIS ONE OVER TO MR. ANTUNES. YOUR WORSHIP I'M GOING TO HAND THIS OVER TO MR. ANTUNES. IT'S FAIRLY BRIEF AND HE CAN MOVE IT ON.
VERY BRIEFLY, A BUSINESS EXPANSION RETENTION PROGRAM.
IT'S DONE ALL OVER NORTH AMERICA, IF NOT THE WORLD.
I'M OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED AS A BUSINESS RETENTION EXPANSION COORDINATOR THROUGH A PROGRAM.
THE REST OF THE STAFF IN [INAUDIBLE] DEV TOOK A PROGRAM AS WELL.
SO WE'RE ALL WELL VERSED IN IT.
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VERY QUICKLY, IN A NUTSHELL, THAT ALLOWS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT AND THE MUNICIPALITY TO REACH OUT TO OUR BUSINESSES, FIND OUT WHAT THE CURRENT CHALLENGES, WHAT THE CURRENT ISSUES ARE OR SUCCESSES THAT THEY'RE ENCOUNTERING AND FINDING WAYS TO DEAL WITH IT AS A MUNICIPALITY, AND THE DATA WE COLLECT WILL ALLOW US TO CHART A PATH GOING FORWARD TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.LAST BR&E PROGRAM THAT WAS DONE IN MUNICIPALITY WAS IN 2006.
FIRST QUESTION THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP IS WHAT IS THE DURATION OF THIS? HOW LONG IS IT SCHEDULED TO TAKE? THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP. THE GOAL IS TO START IN EARNEST IN OCTOBER AND TO BE VERY HONEST, COUNCILLOR PATRIE IT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON HOW QUICKLY BUSINESSES RESPOND.
IN OUR COURSE, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT'S DONE WHEN IT'S DONE OR WHEN IT'S DONE.
WHEN YOU DECIDE YOU'VE HAD ENOUGH OF A CROSS SECTION BEING THE FIRST ONE THAT I'VE UNDERTAKEN IN EARNEST, AND DEPENDING ON HOW THE RESPONSE IS FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE HOPING IT'S A THREE MONTH, 3 TO 4 MONTH PROGRAM, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON ON HOW QUICKLY THE BUSINESSES ARE WILLING TO RESPOND TO THE MUNICIPALITY.
THANK YOU. THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP.
SO THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS WITH THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH OF THE ANALYSIS, THE APPROVAL IS FOR A COMMUNITY BUSINESS RETENTION AND EXPANSION PROGRAM.
SO THAT'S A CITY BR&E, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID IN 2006.
THIS REFERS THIS TO A REGIONAL, AND THAT'S GOING TO SLOW IT DOWN, AND I'M REALLY PLEASED THAT OUR ENTIRE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STAFF HAVE GONE THROUGH THE TRAINING TO DO THE BR&E PROGRAM.
I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A CITY ENDEAVOR.
WE'RE THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME REGIONAL.
WE DO IT IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.
SO I JUST WANT IT ON THE RECORD THAT I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING IT AS A REGIONAL BR&E.
I WOULD LIKE IT DONE AS A CITY BR&E IF OUR STAFF IS GOING TO BE DOING IT.
MR. ANTUNES. THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP? YES, COUNCILLOR PATRIE. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A FULL REGIONAL.
WE'LL USE THE REGIONAL INFORMATION, BUT IT IS A CITY PROGRAM.
EACH ONE IS DOING IT INDIVIDUALLY.
THE ATTACHMENT OF THE REGIONAL SIDE OF IT IS THAT WE'LL BE COLLABORATING WITH [INAUDIBLE] TO GET MANPOWER OR HUMAN POWER, EXCUSE ME, TO ASSIST US AND DO IT, BUT OUR REPORT, OUR FINAL INFORMATION, NOTHING IS REGIONAL.
EACH COMMUNITY, EACH MUNICIPALITY IS NOT BEING INTERDEPENDENT ON THE OTHER.
THE ILLUSION OR NOT THE ILLUSION, BUT ALLUDING TO A REGIONAL PROGRAM IS THE FACT THAT [INAUDIBLE] IS INVOLVED IN THEIR REGIONAL ORGANIZATION, BUT EACH AND EVERY COMMUNITY WILL USE THEIR OWN DATA.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.
ALL IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED? THAT'S CARRIED.
NINE OUTSIDE BOARD AND COMMITTEE REPORTING NONE.
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10.1 ARTS AND CULTURE HUB UPDATE.I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT ONE ENOUGH THIS EVENING.
10.2 RESIDENTIAL WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT OPTION STANDING ITEM.
NO CHANGE ON THAT AT THE MOMENT.
10.3 REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT 255 HIGHWAY 108 FORMER LESTER B PEARSON CIVIC CENTER WAS DEFERRED FROM JULY 11TH RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL AMEND RESOLUTION 360-19 TO STRIKE OUT THE FOLLOWING FOR A NEW BUILD OF AN ARTS AND CULTURE CENTER AT THE EXISTING LOCATION OF 255 HIGHWAY 108, AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO START WORKING ON PLANS AND COSTING FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT SITE AND THAT THE PROPERTY AT 255 HIGHWAY 108 BE DECLARED SURPLUS TO THE NEEDS OF THE MUNICIPALITY.
IS THERE A MOVER? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.
MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU AGAIN.
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NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE SAID THE FIRST TIME AROUND.THE CONCEPT IS IF WE'RE PROCEEDING AS VOTED EARLIER TO DO THE WORK AT THE FORMER REEL TO REEL AND WE HAVE 151 AS AN AVAILABLE SPOT NOW THAT 255 ONE AWAIT BE DECLARED SURPLUS.
SO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT CAN IN EARNEST BEGIN PROMOTING IT AND ACCEPTING OFFERS FOR SALE ON A VERY DESIRABLE SITE RIGHT ON HIGHWAY 108. THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES. JUST ON THAT WOULD 151 ONTARIO AVENUE BE ABLE TO BE SEVERED INTO, SAY, FOUR DIFFERENT SIZED CHUNKS TO BE DECLARED AS SURPLUS ALSO? AND IF WE NEED TO RETAIN ONE FOR A FUTURE BUILD.
THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP, I'LL BE HONEST, I'M NOT AS SPATIALLY AWARE AS MR. GOULDING IS. HE'S A JEDI WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT SIZE WISE, TWO OR THREE LOTS, I'D HONESTLY HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT PER AREA, BUT CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN UNDERTAKE WITH VERY LITTLE EXPENSE.
AROUND THE TABLE. COUNCILOR TURNER.
SO ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DECLARE A PIECE OF PROPERTY SURPLUS.
SHOULD OFFERS ON THAT PROPERTY COME TO THE CITY THAT HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO ACCEPT THAT OFFER.
WHETHER THE PROPOSED USE OF THE LAND IS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL LOOKS ON FAVORABLY OR NOT , AND THAT I'M NOT SURE WILL HAPPEN IN THE TENANCY OF THIS COUNCIL, BUT IT ALLOWS FUTURE COUNCIL TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT PROPERTY THEMSELVES OR ALLOW SOMEONE ELSE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
SO. I THINK IT'S JUST STRAIGHTFORWARD.
PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT ANY CITY PROPERTY THAT IS NOT BEING USED FOR SOMETHING THAT IS SITTING VACANT SHOULD BE DECLARED SURPLUS SO THAT COUNCIL CAN SEE WHAT OFFERS COME IN AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE COMMUNITY OR FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING BACK THIS REPORT.
SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILLOR TURNER WAS TALKING ABOUT, I JUST WONDER IF THERE'S AN EXERCISE THAT CAN BE DONE OR AT SOME POINT A LIST OF ALL AVAILABLE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE ELLIOT LAKE THAT ARE NOT SPOKEN FOR AND NOT SOLD THAT NEED TO BE BE BROUGHT FORWARD AND BE DECLARED SURPLUS.
SO, NUMBER ONE, THE PEOPLE WILL KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.
WE WILL KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, NOT UNSOLICITED OFFERS FOR PURCHASE, BUT PEOPLE CAN BE AWARE THAT WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS AND SO ARE OUR PROPERTIES, AND CAN WE JUST DO IT ALL AT ONCE? YOU KNOW, NOT THAT I'M NOT SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT.
LET'S DECLARE AS MANY PROPERTIES AS WE HAVE.
I KNOW YOU'RE FINDING THEM ON A DAILY BASIS AND TO MAKE YOUR JOB A LITTLE EASIER.
WOULD IT BE EASIER IF YOU DID THAT, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION TO YOU, MR. ANTUNES.
THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP AND I MIGHT PUT MR. GAGNON ON THE SPOT, AND THIS IS JUST STRICTLY MY INEXPERIENCE IN THE MUNICIPAL WORLD.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DECLARE EVERY SPARE ROCK SPACE CORNER AN ELLIOT LAKE SURPLUS ITEM, AND I'LL GO BACK TO WHATEVER THE QUESTION WAS FOR THE FIRST POINT THIS MORNING OR THIS EVENING.
IT'S CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE LAND.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF MR. GAGNON KNOWS IF THERE'S A WAY TO JUST SAY IF THERE'S LAND OWNED BY THE MUNICIPALITY, IT'S SURPLUS.
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SO. MR. GAGNON. YEAH, WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL LAND PROFILE AND THOSE WERE PRE-DECLARED.SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING IS DUST THAT OFF AND BRING IT BACK AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY MORE OUT THERE, BUT JUST THESE PARCELS ARE COMING UP BECAUSE THEY WERE EARMARKED FOR MONTHS, YEARS FOR A HUB ARTS OR SPORTS, AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS CHANGED AND NOW THEY'RE THEY'RE NO LONGER DEDICATED FOR THAT USE.
SO WE'RE JUST SIMPLY SAYING, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER USE OR IS IT SURPLUS? IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TYPICAL USE FOR IT, THEN TECHNICALLY IT MIGHT SHOULD BE DECLARED SURPLUS IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAN, USE FOR IT, BUT AGAIN, IT'S COMPLETELY COUNCIL'S CALL.
THEY COULD SAY WE WANT TO KEEP THAT FOR FUTURE, FUTURE REFERENCE, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS LOOK FOR MORE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND MR. ANTUNES HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR RESIDENTIAL AND WE HAVE POCKETS OF THAT AS WELL AND WE ARE PLANNING A RESIDENTIAL LAND PROFILE AS WELL.
SO LONG STORY SHORT, WE'LL BRING YOU BACK SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE SUCCINCT IN THE FUTURE , BUT IN THE MEANTIME, 151 AND HIGHWAY 108 ARE BIG PARCELS OF LAND THAT NO LONGER HAVE A DEDICATED USE ATTACHED TO THEM.
SO WE NEED A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY SO THAT WE CAN TELL PEOPLE WHEN THEY CALL YES, NO, OR MAYBE PREFERABLY YES OR NO, PREFERABLY YES.
COUNCILLOR PEARCE YOU HAD A COMMENT? NO. ANY OTHER? COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I'M STILL NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS.
THIS PROPERTY WHEN WE TOOK THE INSURANCE MONEY.
WAS DEDICATED, AND AS MR. GAGNON JUST SAID, PROPERTIES THAT WE DON'T HAVE OTHER USES FOR.
COUNCIL SAID THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.
THAT'S WHERE YOUR WELCOME CENTER SHOULD GO, BACK ON THE HIGHWAY.
YOUR THEATER HAS TO BE REBUILT.
YOUR MUSEUM HAS TO BE REBUILT.
THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT YOUR THEATER AND YOUR MUSEUM THERE, YOU'VE GOT TO BLAST THE BEDROCK OUT.
IT'S A SHOVEL READY PIECE OF PROPERTY TO PUT BACK THE FACILITY THAT WE HAVE TO PUT BACK.
NOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG, AND THE REASONS THAT I ASK THE QUESTIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.
I'M JUST NOT WILLING TO DO THAT.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE THE MONEY INVESTED IN THAT PROPERTY.
THAT'S WHERE THEATER IS SUPPOSED TO GO BACK.
I APPRECIATE MR. GAGNON SAYING I WANT TO KNOW IF COUNCIL WANTS TO SELL THIS LAND OR DO THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND USE THAT SAME FACILITY? HE'S ASKED A QUESTION.
MY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS NOPE.
I WANT TO LEAVE THAT RESOLUTION THE WAY THAT IT IS.
COUNCIL HAS TOLD YOU THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.
THAT DOES NOT STOP HIM OR MR. ANTUNES FROM BRINGING AN OFFER TO THIS TABLE THAT IS UNSOLICITED FOR A PIECE OF LAND THAT IS NOT SURPLUS.
I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THAT DIRECTION UNLESS WE GET A REALLY, REALLY BIG CHECK.
SO IF YOU WANT TO BUY THAT PIECE OF LAND FROM THIS MUNICIPALITY AS OPPOSED TO BUYING SOMETHING THAT IS FAR LESS MONEY OR YOUR WORSHIP, YOU ASK, CAN WE DIVIDE 151 INTO FOUR PIECES OF PROPERTY? WE ALREADY KNOW WE CAN, BECAUSE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE PIECE OF PROPERTY, THE GENTLEMAN WAS SUPPOSED TO BUY A PORTION OF IT BACK AT PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.
I DON'T WANT TO DO THE SAME THING WITH THIS PROPERTY.
IF THIS PROPERTY IS THAT VALUABLE THAT IT'S WORTH $1,000,000, THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BUY IT.
I'M STILL NOT WILLING TO SELL IT FOR $1,000,000 WITHOUT A REPORT THAT SAYS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST US TO TAKE ALL THE BEDROCK OUT OF 151 ONTARIO TO PUT OUR THEATER AND OUR MUSEUM ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WHICH I STILL DON'T AGREE THAT'S WHERE IT GOES, BUT THAT'S A DEBATE FOR A DIFFERENT DAY.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOUR WORSHIP.
YOU WERE ON FACEBOOK SAYING THAT THERE'S BEEN THREE OFFERS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
IF THOSE OFFERS ARE PROPER AND LEGITIMATE.
PUT THEM AT THE COUNCIL TABLE.
WE CAN DISCUSS THEM IN CLOSED SESSION AND IF YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T KNOW.
THAT SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO PAY US $10 MILLION FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
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TO BUY IT. I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH DOING IT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.I'LL LET PEOPLE SPEAK AND THEN I'M GOING TO ASK FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE RESOLUTION.
OTHER COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I THINK MY POINTS ARE PRETTY CLEAR ON THIS.
I MAY NOT AGREE WITH EVERYTHING COUNCILLOR PATRIE HAS INDICATED TONIGHT.
I HAVE NO INTEREST IN SPENDING ANOTHER NICKEL NEXT DOOR ON 151, SO I WOULDN'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO SEPARATE INTO FOUR PIECES IF WE DECLARED SURPLUS AS WAS AGAIN INDICATED AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING.
WELL THEN I'D BE HAPPY TO DECLARE IT SURPLUS TOMORROW.
CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AND LET'S GET THAT DONE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PROGRESS ON THAT EITHER, BUT I'M KEEPING THAT ARGUMENT OR THAT DEBATE RATHER SEPARATE FROM THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.
I PAINS ME TO DRIVE BY AND SEE THAT SIGN.
AGAIN, THERE'S A SERVICE CLUB THAT HAVE THEIR LOGO STILL ON IT.
THERE'S A DIGITAL SIGN THAT WAS DONATED BY THAT SERVICE CLUB TO THAT PROJECT.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED IF WE'RE GOING TO DECLARE IT SURPLUS.
AGAIN, AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS DECLARING A SURPLUS.
IF THERE ARE ANY OFFERS ON THAT PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE, THAT HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL.
COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT AN OFFER FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IS A PURPOSE THAT'S IN AGREEMENT WITH THE VISION OF COUNCIL.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY USE FOR, OR NOT USE FOR.
WE'RE JUST BEING ASKED TO DECLARE SURPLUS.
YES, WE ARE AMENDING WHAT HAD BEEN PASSED BY COUNCIL IN 2019.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THOSE THREE YEARS.
COUNCILLOR PEARCE. YES, THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
HOWEVER, I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR MANN.
CAN WE GET RID OF THAT SIGN? SERIOUSLY? HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
IT'S EMBARRASSING, FRANKLY, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO I DON'T KNOW IF PUBLIC WORKS.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT PERHAPS, MR. GAGNON, CAN WE GET RID OF THAT SIGN? BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY IS AN EYESORE RIGHT NOW.
CAN WE MOVE IT INTACT? WELL, THE QUESTION IS THAT'S A 75, $80,000 SIGN.
THERE'S A LOT OF SALVAGE MATERIAL THAT CAN BE USED.
WE'LL HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE MANUFACTURER OR THE COMPANY THAT INSTALLED IT AND SEE HOW MUCH HOW WE CAN CAREFULLY PICK IT APART FOR FUTURE RECYCLING OR RE-USE IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION, AND I HAD NO IDEA IT WAS A FESTERING PROBLEM FOR COUNCIL.
COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
SO, AND THE ONLY OTHER POINT IS JUST AGAIN, IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILOR TURNER'S COMMENTS, DECLARING A PIECE OF PROPERTY SENDS A MESSAGE.
IT'S IN INVENTORY FOR A REASON.
ONCE WE DECLARE IT SURPLUS, IT'S ON THE MARKET.
IT DEFINITELY DOES SEND A MESSAGE.
THANK YOU. I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS BEFORE COUNCILLOR PATRIE FINAL COMMENT AND THEN I'LL.
I WANT TO GET UP ON A RESOLUTION ON THE FLOOR.
[02:20:04]
FIRST PERSON THAT SHOWS UP.I WOULD PERSONALLY LIKE TO SEE 151 DECLARED SURPLUS ALSO.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CONCEPT OF BLASTING ROCK COMES FROM.
THAT SITE HOUSED A 170,000 SQUARE FOOT THREE STOREY BUILDING WITH A MASSIVE HOTEL ON IT THAT WAS BOLTED TO THE BEDROCK, AND WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING THE PEARSON PLAZA, THE CONTRACTORS WORKING ON THAT SAID, HEY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IF WE HAD SOME BEDROCK TO BOLT THIS BUILDING TO.
ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BUY A CHUNK OF THAT PROPERTY WILL BUY IT WITH THE KNOWLEDGE THAT EITHER THEY'RE BOLTING SOMETHING TO THE BEDROCK OR THEY HAVE TO DO A BIT OF BLASTING AND MOVING. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE FUTURE OF OUR DOWNTOWN CORE.
I DON'T SEE US SPENDING 20 TO $30 MILLION ON THE WHOLE TAJ MAHAL ARTS CENTER.
I DO WANT TO SEE A 400 PLUS SEAT THEATER AND A REALLY NICE MUSEUM THAT OUR COMMUNITY CAN BE PROUD OF IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE DON'T NEED THE WHOLE SITE ON THE HIGHWAY, AND I'LL BE VERY, VERY BLUNT.
I HAVE SAT WITH MULTIPLE DIFFERENT INVESTORS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS INTEREST IN THAT PROPERTY.
AND I'LL SAY, AS OF MR. ANTUNES, WAS IT MONDAY OR TUESDAY, WE SAT WITH ANOTHER INVESTOR BECAUSE I DON'T SIT WITH THESE PEOPLE ALONE.
WAS THAT LAST WEEK, MONDAY? TUESDAY, WE SAT WITH THAT INVESTOR.
ANOTHER ONE INTERESTED IN THAT PROPERTY.
THEY'RE COMING. THEY'RE INTERESTED.
DO WE HAVE TO SELL IT TO THEM? THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL, NOT UP TO ME, BUT WE SENT A CLEAR MESSAGE TO MR. ANTUNES MONTHS AGO THAT IF IT'S NOT FOR SURPLUS, DON'T BRING REPORT TO COUNCIL.
WE HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR STAFF AND WE HAVE TO TELL THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE OPEN FOR BUSINESS.
WE ARE INTERESTED IN FUTURE TAX REVENUE, WE ARE INTERESTED IN GROWTH HERE.
SO FOR THAT, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW.
COUNCILLOR PATRIE YOU WANT TO PUT FORWARD AN AMENDMENT? I DO, AND THEN I'LL SAVE MY COMMENTS TILL AFTER THE AMENDMENT.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT [INAUDIBLE].
YEAH I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO THAT FAR OUT OF [INAUDIBLE].
NOT A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. I'M ASKING TO I'M MAKING A MOTION TO AMEND.
THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROPERTY THAT YOU'RE PUTTING ON DISCUSSION.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE AGENDA ITEM IS.
YEAH, THAT'S A TOTALLY SEPARATE MOTION.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE MS. BRAY TO ASK, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S ALMOST LIKE A DOUBLE NEGATIVE, WHICH WE CAN'T DO, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHY NOT? IS THERE A SECONDER FOR THE MOTION? SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN FOR DISCUSSION.
COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, WORSHIP.
AGAIN, THE COMMENTS THAT YOU JUST MADE WHERE YOU SAY THAT STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO NOT BRING NON SURPLUS OFFERS.
IT STOPS JOB TO BRING US ANYTHING THAT IS OFFERED A PURCHASE.
I DON'T WANT TO GIVE STAFF THAT DIRECTION.
IT WASN'T OFFICIALLY GIVEN TO STAFF.
THEY'VE BROUGHT US AN UNSOLICITED OFFER TODAY.
I'M FULLY OPEN TO DEVELOPMENT.
I WANT TO GET STUFF DEVELOPED.
THE PREDICAMENT YOU'RE IN OR WE'RE IN IS YOU'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH NO OFFERS.
IF SOMEBODY IS WILLING TO PUT AN OFFER ON THE TABLE, BRING IT TO COUNCIL.
AS SOON AS WE SAY THAT THIS LAND IS SURPLUS, COUNCIL MAN'S RIGHT.
YOU MIGHT AS WELL PUT A FOR SALE SIGN ON IT.
MR. GAGNON IS SHAKING HIS HEAD, YES.
[02:25:02]
THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO COME AND BUY YOUR CAR, THAT ISN'T REALLY FOR SALE, AND SAY, I WANT YOUR $50,000 CAR AND I WANT IT REGARDLESS, I'M GOING TO OFFER YOU $250,000. WELL, YOU ENTERTAIN THE IDEA.
IT'S PROBABLY WORTH 150-200,000.
I'M GOING TO OFFER THE MUNICIPALITY 25,000 AN ACRE, AND I WANT THAT PIECE OF LAND FOR 100 GRAND.
COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE YOUR WORSHIP.
YOU SAID THAT IT'S WORTH A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S WORTH 700,000.
OUR LAND, WE SAY, IS WORTH $25,000 AN ACRE.
SO 13 ACRES TIMES, $25,000 IS $325,000.
WE'RE SELLING COMMERCIAL LAND AT $25,000 AN ACRE.
I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE THE VALUE.
WE'RE [INAUDIBLE] ON THE 19TH, BUT THE CEO CAN SELL THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IF IT'S 2.3 ACRES FOR 65,000 BUCKS AND HE'S FULLY WITHIN HIS RIGHT TO DO IT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE SELL COMMERCIAL LAND FOR.
I'M TOTALLY OPPOSED TO MAKING THAT SURPLUS AND DOING IT.
WE'RE GOING DOWN A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
JUST DON'T DECLARE IT SURPLUS IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY IT FOR OVER MARKET VALUE.
THEY'RE BRINGING US THE REPORT TODAY.
AN UNSOLICITED OFFERS COMING TO BUY A PIECE OF LAND.
BRING US THE REPORT. WE'LL DISCUSS IT AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
THAT PROPERTY IS JUST AS GOOD FOR A HOTEL.
COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
I THINK WE'RE THIS OBVIOUSLY THIS AMENDMENT.
I SECOND IT JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE HAD TO SAY.
BUT AT THIS POINT, I AM GOING TO RETRACT MY SECONDING OF IT.
I BELIEVE THIS SHOULD COME BACK AS A NOTICE OF MOTION.
IF ANYTHING, IT IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE TOPIC.
I'LL CHANGE MY MOTION AND I'LL LOOK FOR A SECONDER.
I'LL JUST. I'LL JUST DO IT THAT THE REPORT BE RECEIVED.
I'LL STRIKE THE 151 IF YOU WANT TO BRING THAT BACK AS ANOTHER ITEM.
BE THE SAME AS IF IT GETS VOTED DOWN.
I'M A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WITH THE CONVERSATION NOW.
THE ASK FOR $1.5 MILLION WAS BASED ON THAT VALUED ASSESSMENT.
WE PURCHASED THAT FOR $950,000.
FOX WAS LISTED AT 20 AN ACRE OR 20,000 ACRE.
THE OTHER COMMERCIALS AT 25, THAT'S WHAT THOSE WERE LISTED FOR.
SO THAT'S NOT THE GOING RATE FOR ALL OF THEM.
SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOR ALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES.
WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE WORKED FOR, WHAT I HAVE AS A COMMERCIAL LAND PROFILE.
THANK YOU. OKAY, I'M GOING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THIS ONE.
ROLL CALL THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.
[02:30:01]
11 PETITIONS.12 CORRESPONDENCE THERE ARE NONE.
THERE ARE NONE. COUNCIL'S REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.
[14. COUNCIL REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]
BEST PART OF THE WHOLE EVENING RIGHT HERE.NOT A WHOLE LOT OF LIST OF EVENTS ANYMORE UNLESS I START TALKING ABOUT THE MASSEY FAIR COMING UP.
COUNCIL'S REPORT FOR AUGUST 8TH, 2022.
COUNCILLOR FINAMORE AND I DID THE GRAND ENTRY AND THE WALKABOUT FOR THE VETERANS, WHICH WAS QUITE AN AMAZING WAY TO APPRECIATE YOUR VETERANS. I THOUGHT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC, AND THEN WATCHING SOME OF THOSE GUYS DANCE AND THE WOMEN DANCE FOR HOURS AND HOURS, WE DID, I'M TELLING YOU, A TWO STEP BARELY LIFTING OUR FEET, AND I WAS SWEATING AFTER GOING AROUND TWICE, AND THESE GUYS ARE DOING IT FOR HOURS RIGHT INTO THE NIGHTTIME AND THEN DOING A SUNRISE CEREMONY AND DOING IT AGAIN THE NEXT DAY. I'M JUST ABSOLUTELY BLOWN AWAY.
IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT HOSPITALITY ONCE AGAIN.
WHAT DO WE HAVE COMING UP AUGUST 14 TO 17, WE HAVE THE ANNUAL CONFERENCE IN OTTAWA, SO QUITE A FEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WILL BE ATTENDING THAT AND STAFF. WE'VE BEEN GRANTED MULTIPLE DELEGATIONS WITH VARIOUS DIFFERENT MINISTRIES IN RELATIONS TO PROJECTS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THAT'S AGAIN ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO ASK FOR FUNDING FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND ASK FOR SUPPORT FOR OTHER PROJECTS ALONG WITH SOME LEARNING SESSIONS AND LISTENING TO THE PREMIER AND WHOEVER ELSE GET UP AND SPEAK ABOUT WHAT'S COMING UP FOR US.
SO ALWAYS GOOD TIMES AND IT IS NOT A VACATION.
I'VE HEARD THAT BEING SAID TOO, WE GET A, YOU KNOW, FOUR DAY VACATION AND MOST OF THESE DAYS ARE, YOU KNOW, STARTING AT SEVEN, EIGHT IN THE MORNING AND RUNNING TILL 8, 10 AT NIGHT. NOT A VACATION.
A LOT OF WORK BEING DONE HERE AND A LOT OF LEARNING BEING DONE.
SO I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW IT'S DEFINITELY VERY WELL WORTH OUR WHILE.
AUGUST 14TH, WE HAVE THE SUMMER LARKS AT WESTVIEW PARK COMING UP.
THAT'S ANOTHER FREE SHOW FOR THE COMMUNITY WOULD BE STARTING AT 2 P.M, AND FEATURING THE TALENTS OF MR. AND MRS. [INAUDIBLE].
IT DOESN'T SAY MR. AND MRS. WHOM. YOU'VE GOT TO GO TO SEE.
AUGUST 18TH, THE KIDS BIKE RODEO WILL BE AT THE COLLINS HALL FROM 10 A.M.
THERE'RE GOING TO BE OPP ON SITE TO HELP CHILDREN LEARN THE RULES OF THE ROAD AND SAFETY TIPS.
BRING YOUR OWN BICYCLE AND HELMET, I BELIEVE I READ THAT AUGUST 22ND.
WE HAVE A BARBECUE AT WESTVIEW PARK FROM 11 A.M.
THIS EVENT IS BEING HOSTED BY THE INDIGENOUS FRIENDSHIP CENTER.
WHAT IS THIS, YOU ASK? COME OUT IN THE AFTERNOON AND FIND OUT MORE.
I BELIEVE WE'LL BE FLIPPING BURGERS AND HOT DOGS WITH CHIEF [INAUDIBLE].
VERY EXCITING. I'M INTERESTED IN LEARNING MORE TOO.
COUNCILLOR PEARCE ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US HOW AWESOME MISSISSAUGA PARK WAS FOR THE LUMBERJACK DAYS? YES, I AM. [CHUCKLING] THANK YOU.
SINCE MR. ANTUNES BROUGHT IT UP, I DIDN'T WANT TO DISAPPOINT HIM.
WE DOUBLED OUR REVENUE OVER PREVIOUS LUMBERJACK DAYS.
WE WENT FROM $12,000 TO OVER $24,000 IN REVENUE, AND OUR NET I WON'T SAY PROFIT, BUT WHERE WE NET IT OUT SO FAR IS $8000.
NOW IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT THAT DOES OFFSET THE COST OF RUNNING THE PARK, AND I HAVE TO COMMEND MS. [INAUDIBLE], HER STAFF AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, ALL THOSE VOLUNTEERS WHO WORKED THEIR BUNS OFF IN THE HEAT AND THE DUST AND PUT ON A HECK OF A SHOW, AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR WHEN IT'LL BE HELD BY THE MISSISSAUGA PARK FOUNDATION AS OPPOSED TO THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, BUT TRUST ME, IT'LL BE EVEN BIGGER AND BETTER.
[02:35:03]
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PEARCE.ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL EVENTS, INFORMATION FOR THE COMMUNITY? BIG TICKET ITEMS IT IS.
NO BIG TICKET ITEMS. IT ISN'T. BIG TICKET ITEMS. MINISTER OF FINANCE JULY POLICING DRAG RACE OPP DUTY 226,600 RECEIVER GENERAL FOR CANADA 87,500 ALGOMA DISTRICT SERVICES ADMINISTRATION ABOARD MUNICIPAL LEVY $187,800.
BLANCHETT ELECTRICAL FOR THE GENERATOR TRANSFER SWITCH 31,000 HYDRO ONE NETWORKS 26,800 MCCOWAN ASSOCIATES LIBRARY AND [INAUDIBLE] RENT 27,400 OMERS 46,300 SAULT SAINT MARIE INNOVATION CENTER.
GIS IMPLEMENTATION IS NOW 50% COMPLETE PLUS SANITARY STORM CAPTURING 37,700 TULLOCH ENGINEERING FOR HILLSIDE NORTH RECONSTRUCT LANDFILL EXPANSION AND 151 ONTARIO $26,400 AND THAT'S IT FOR COUNCIL'S REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THIS EVENING.
[16. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BY-LAWS]
DOUBLE SERVICE TREATMENT.TWO DUNLOP SHORES ROAD AND BEAMISH CONSTRUCTION INC MOVER MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN SECOND MY COUNCILLOR PEARCE QUESTIONS QUALMS QUERIES NONE ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.
THANK YOU. 16.2 BYLAW, 22-80 BEING A BYLAW THAT'D DELEGATE AUTHORITY TO THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER TO ACT WHERE NECESSARY ON CERTAIN RESTRICTED ISSUES AS LISTED IN SECTION 275-3 OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT 2001.
MOVER PLEASE MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE SECOND BY COUNCILOR TURNER.
THAT'S CARRIED 16.3 BY LAW, 22.81 BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF THE TRANSFER PAYMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE INVESTING IN CANADA INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM GREEN STREAM PROJECT WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER MAIN UPGRADE IN THE NORTHERN INDUSTRIAL AREA, MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
SECOND, BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? SEEING NONE, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD NEWS STORY THAT THE PUBLIC DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TO KEEP IT UNDER WRAPS, BUT THIS IS WE'VE BEEN HAD APPROVED FUNDING FOR MONTHS FROM THE FROM THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT TO PUT WATER AND SEWER FROM WEST VIEW PARK ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH INDUSTRIAL SITE. SO HIGHWAY ONE WILL BE SERVICED INSTEAD OF THE WATER MAIN GOING THROUGH.
SO ALL THE PROPERTY ALONG 108 WILL BE NOW CONSIDERED SERVICE PROPERTY.
THIS ALSO GIVES US OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TO CUT UP MILLIKEN MINE ROAD AND POTENTIALLY SERVICE SOME OF THE PROPERTY UP THERE THAT HAS BEEN PURCHASED FOR POTENTIAL ESTATE PROPERTIES IN THE FUTURE.
MR. GAGNON. JUST A COUPLE OF FOOTNOTES.
DEFINITELY GOOD NEWS. THIS IS AN ACTUAL EXAMPLE OF AN APPROVED APPLICATION TO THE MINISTRY, THE PROVINCIAL MINISTRY OF INFRASTRUCTURE RECOMMENDED TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THEN CIRCLING BACK.
SO IT'S A 72% FUNDED OPPORTUNITY FEDERAL, PROVINCIAL AND MUNICIPAL, AND IN A STRANGE HAPPENSTANCE, IT WAS REPORTED PUBLICLY TO COUNCIL IN MAY, AND AT THE COMMITTEE IT JUST DIDN'T GET PICKED UP BY ANYONE FOR SOME REASON.
SO IT HAS BEEN PUBLICLY REPORTED.
IT'S JUST NOW WE'RE PASSING THE BYLAW.
WE DO NEED TO CLARIFY A FEW SEQUENCING OF EVENTS AND WHEN THE ACTUAL WORK GETS DONE, I UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO DO THE ENGINEERING THIS FALL AND THEN IT'LL BE ALL PART AND PARCEL OF THE FUTURE CAPITAL PLAN THAT WILL BE IN FRONT OF, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL OR THIS COUNCIL ON THE TAIL END IN THE NEXT COUNCIL AS TO WHEN THESE HIGH PRIORITY CAPITAL PROJECTS HAPPEN, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY GOOD NEWS.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. GAGNON. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
I WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE ACTUALLY THOUGHT ABOUT THAT JUST FOR THOSE AT HOME, AND I'M BLOWN AWAY THAT MEDIA NEVER GRABBED ON TO THAT.
THIS IS PULLING THE PIPES OUT OF THE LAKE.
SO CURRENTLY THAT NORTH INDUSTRIAL SITE IS SERVICED UNDERWATER THROUGH THE LAKE.
[02:40:04]
MR. GAGNON. THE ONLY RUB THERE IS THE FUNDING IS FOR THE DRINKING WATER.MR. DOYLE CAN CLARIFY IF I'M WRONG.
THE FUNDING IS ONLY FOR THE DRINKING WATER.
HOWEVER, THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN THE DRINKING WATER LINE HAS BEEN PROBLEMATIC.
THE SEWER LINE IS PERFECTLY FINE AND COULD PROBABLY BE GOOD FOR ANOTHER 50 YEARS, FOR ALL WE KNOW, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE INCURRING THE EXPENSE OF REMOVING THE WATER LINE, WE'D BETTER DO BOTH WHILE WE'RE AT IT, OF COURSE, BUT IN WHATEVER WISDOM, DRINKING WATER IS FUNDED.
REMOVING A SEWER LINE FROM THE BOTTOM OF A LAKE IS NOT SO.
OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THAT.
COUNCILOR TURNER. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT I'M SURE THE BUSINESSES ON TIMBER ROAD IN THE NORTH INDUSTRIAL AREA WILL BE MUCH APPRECIATIVE OF THIS.
HAVING HAD A WAREHOUSE IN THAT AREA FOR FIVE YEARS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WATER SHUT OFF WAS A WINTER EVENT COMMON THERE AND VERY EXPENSIVE FOR THE CITY TO BRING DIVERS IN, TO PUT CUFFS ON THE WATER PIPE UNDER THE LAKE IN THE MIDDLE OF WINTER.
SO I'M GLAD WE'RE GETTING IT DONE.
IN ALL ACTUALITY, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT THE MEDIA DIDN'T GRAB ONTO IT.
THE HIGHER UPS COME DOWN AND SAY GOOD NEWS STORY.
I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR THAT IS CARRIED.
MOVER TO GO INTO CLOSED, PLEASE.
[17. CLOSED SESSION (if applicable)]
MOVE BY COUNCILOR TURNER, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN.ANY QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? I SEE NONE. ALL IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED.
WE'RE NOW MOVING TO CLOSED SESSION.
THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING.
THANK YOU FOR WATCHING. ALL RIGHT, I'LL LOOK FOR A MOVER TO COME OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.
MOVED BY COUNCILOR TURNER, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.
THAT'S CARRIED. WE'RE NOW OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.
I KNOW. COUNCILLOR PATRIE, YOU WANT TO PUT FORWARD A MOTION? BASED ON THE CLOSED SESSION REPORT, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SALE AND THAT ONCE THE PROPONENT HAS FINALIZED THE SURVEY TO BRING BACK THE SALE AGREEMENT TO COUNCIL TO DECLARE IT SURPLUS.
THERE ARE SECONDER FOR THE MOTION SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN.
CALL FOR THE VOTE, THEN. ALL IN FAVOR.
[18. CONFIRMATORY BY-LAW]
MOVER PLEASE.MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
ANY QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES.
THE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.
WE'RE NOW ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.