Oct 11, 2022 City Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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CALL

[4. ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES]

THOSE ARE CARRIED. THANK YOU.

[5. PUBLIC INPUT SESSION]

WE HAVE FIVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT, AND WE'LL START OUT WITH MR. RICK JUUTI.

IF YOU WOULD MIND, SIR, JUST WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM, MAKE SURE THE GREEN LIGHT'S ON, ON YOUR MICROPHONE.

YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

PERFECT. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS RICK JUUTI, AND I'M THE HEAD COACH OF THE ELLIOT LAKE AQUATIC CLUB.

I THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF ELAC THIS EVENING.

AND THANK YOU TO DAN GAGNON AND YOUR TEAM FOR MEETING WITH THE CLUB PRESIDENT AND MYSELF TO REVIEW THE FINDINGS OF THE REPORT THAT YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING.

ELAC, AS YOU MAY KNOW, HAS BEEN A COMMUNITY CONTRIBUTOR SINCE 1976.

WE HAVE PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMPETITIVE SWIMMING TO COUNTLESS YOUTH SINCE THAT TIME, ME INCLUDED.

WE HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY BY HOSTING MANY SWIM COMPETITIONS AND EVENTS OVER THE YEARS.

LIKE MANY ORGANIZATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE ARE A VOLUNTEER BASED CLUB FROM OUR EXECUTIVE MEMBERS DOWN TO OUR COACHES AND CHAPERONS, AND WE ALL DONATE OUR TIME AND LOVE OF THE SPORT TO THE YOUTH OF THIS COMMUNITY.

I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THE POOL IS AN ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY, NOT ONLY FOR THE YOUTH, BUT FOR MANY OTHERS AS WELL.

WHILE THE CLOSURE IS NOT IDEAL FOR OUR CLUB, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THE FACILITY HAS PASSED ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY.

AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THE FACILITY IS SOUND, AND THAT'S THANKS TO THE LEADERSHIP AND FORESIGHT OF THOSE WHO BUILT AND DESIGNED IT ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO. HOWEVER, SERIOUS UPGRADES ARE REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT IT IS VIABLE FOR THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS.

THEREFORE, AS A CLUB AND MAJOR USER GROUP, WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT COUNCIL SEES IT FIT TO CONSIDER OPTION C.

ALTHOUGH THIS SEASON WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE, THE POOL WILL HOPEFULLY BE READY FOR NEXT SEASON.

WE ASK THAT COUNCIL MAKES THIS DECISION THIS EVENING AND DOES NOT DEFER IT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL AND DELAY THE PROJECT FURTHER.

WE FEEL THAT THE SOONER THE THE PROCESS BEGINS, THE SOONER THE NECESSARY REPAIRS CAN BE MADE AND THE GREATER THE CHANCE OF A SWIM SEASON FOR US AS VIABLE FOR NEXT YEAR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

TWO. WE HAVE MS. STEPHANIE MACLEOD.

GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS STEPHANIE MACLEOD AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE ELLIOT LAKE AQUATIC CLUB.

AND THE CLUB HAS BEEN PART OF OUR COMMUNITY SINCE 1976 AS RICK JUST MENTIONED.

THE POOL ITSELF AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

IT IS USED BY ALL AGE GROUPS IN TOWN, AND IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ANYONE LIVING HERE TO LEARN HOW TO SWIM CONSIDERING ALL THE BODIES OF WATER WE HAVE IN AND AROUND OUR AREA.

WITH COVID RESTRICTIONS BEING LIFTED, ELAC WAS HOPING TO HAVE A SEASON WITHOUT INTERRUPTIONS.

UNFORTUNATELY, THIS HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE.

THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE TO KEEP THE POOL CLOSED AND COMPLETE THE UPGRADES.

THIS WILL ENSURE THAT WHEN THE FACILITY REOPENS, IT WILL BE SAFE AND ALL THESE ISSUES WILL HAVE BEEN REMEDIED.

THIS WILL ALLOW FOR ALL POOL PROGRAMING TO START UP WITHOUT DISRUPTION.

IT WILL BE UNFORTUNATE NOT TO HAVE OUR POOL FOR THIS FOR THIS EXTENDED PERIOD, BUT I THINK THIS MAKES THE MOST SENSE FOR THE FACILITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

NEXT UP, WE HAVE MR. MIKE THOMAS.

MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I'M ALSO HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE POOL.

INTERVIEWING OPTIONS A, B, AND C.

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IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A TON OF WATER LEAKING UNDERNEATH THIS POOL, THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM OR WHERE IT'S GOING.

WITH A HISTORY OF ENGINEERING REPORTS ON OUR STRUCTURES AND OUR BUILDINGS, I'M CERTAIN THIS IS GOING TO COST US A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WHAT'S IN THIS REPORT.

I'M ALL FOR THE POOL.

I KNOW THAT IT'S USED BY THE YOUTH AND THE SCHOOL.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE THIS COUNCIL TO CONSIDER THE SOCIAL WELLNESS BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IN AN 8 TO 80 FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER OPTION D, A COST OF BENEFIT ANALYSIS WITH ACCESSIBILITY, THE DOLLAR VALUE THAT'S NOT LISTED IN THIS REPORT TO HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REPLACE THE POOL ENTIRELY, TO SEE HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO SPEND AS OPPOSED TO WHAT IT WOULD BE TO PUT EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE, WHERE IT IS IN A NEW BUILDING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ARE YOU ALSO UP FOR A 7.8, MR. THOMAS? CHANGED YOUR MIND. OKAY. PERFECT.

THANK YOU. OKAY, FOUR WE HAVE MR. KEN YOUNG.

GOOD EVENING, MR. YOUNG.

HOW'S EVERYBODY TONIGHT? GOOD, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS KEN YOUNG.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO TONIGHT'S MEETING.

THERE'S A RUMOR CIRCULATING IN THE COMMUNITY THAT A GENTLEMAN FILED AN IC COMPLAINT AGAINST COUNCILLOR PATRIE AND SHOWED UP AT HIS HOME.

THE GENTLEMAN INFORMED COUNCILLOR PATRIE THAT FOUR MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL HELD A MEETING WITH THE GENTLEMAN AND ASKED HIM TO FILE AN IC COMPLAINT AGAINST HIM. THE GENTLEMEN [INAUDIBLE] COUNCILLOR PATRIE IN HIS OWN DINING ROOM AT HIS OWN YOUNG. THE PURPOSE ISN'T FOR RUMORS, BUT ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO THE AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS THE COST OF IC COMPLAINTS.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS REPORT HAVING TO DO WITH RUMORS ABOUT FILING COMPLAINTS.

WELL, JUST THAT THEY MADE AN ACCUSATION THE MAN IS NOTHING BUT A CARNY AND A THIEF.

I'M ASKING COUNCIL JUST TO SUSPEND THE BYLAW TO ALLOW COUNCILLOR PATRIE TO TALK ABOUT THIS INCIDENT.

RIGHT NOW, HIS HANDS ARE TIED.

HE CAN'T DO A THING.

IN MY OPINION, COUNCILLOR PATRIE HAS BEEN RAILROADED AND I'M SURE THAT THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL THAT THIS ACCUSATION WERE MADE AGAINST ARE GOING TO WANT TO CLEAR THEIR NAMES.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. YOUNG. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NUMBER FIVE, DON NICHOLS.

GOOD EVENING, MR. NICHOLS.

YOUR WORSHIP. YOUR WORSHIP MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

I WANT TO ADDRESS THE REPORT AND ICS.

I REALIZE THIS ISN'T A QUESTION PERIOD ANY LONGER, BUT IF YOUR WORSHIP WOULD WANT TO JUMP IN AT ANY POINT, GO AHEAD.

WHOOPS. I NEED MY EYES.

IF WE LOOK AT PAGE 82 OF THE REPORT, WE HAVE THREE ICS LISTED: ROBERT SWAYZE, EXPERTISE FOR MUNICIPALITIES (E4M), CUNNINGHAM SWANN LLP, AND ROBERT SWAYZE, OUR CURRENT IC.

I ASSUME THAT'S CORRECT.

YES, SIR. AND THEN IN THE FOLLOWING PAGE, PAGE 83, WE HAVE LISTED AS WELL [INAUDIBLE], CASSELS, BROCK AND BLACKWELL, CUNNINGHAM SWANN, AND WISHART LAW FIRM.

THEY'RE NOT ICS.

THEY ARE LAW FIRMS THAT REPRESENT THE CITY OR THE ICS.

OF THAT I'M NOT SURE.

IF THERE'S ANY LIGHT AVAILABLE ON THAT, I WOULD CERTAINLY APPRECIATE IT.

[INAUDIBLE] WE'LL JUST FLIP THE PAGE TO 84 AND WE'RE LOOKING AT INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER COSTS.

AND FOR THE PERIOD FROM 2018 TO THE PRESENT, WHO WOULD BE $858,644.

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$864.00. $44.00.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE NUMBER IS THE SAME NUMBER.

SO WE HAVE TWO COUNCILORS THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH IC THAT ACCOUNTED FOR $858.00, $858, $644.

ON BOTH SPREADSHEETS.

YET I KNOW THE MAYOR FOUND AT LEAST ONE IC COMPLAINT AS WELL AS MYSELF.

DID THESE COMPLAINTS, WERE THEY GRATIS? THERE DON'T SEEM TO BE ANY OTHER IC CHARGES.

SO WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT PAGE.

PAGE 85.

AND WE SEE THAT IN GENERAL GOVERNMENT WE'VE LUMPED IN THE IC AFFAIRS.

AND EXCUSE ME.

FOR 2022, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE 45,000 IN THE BLACK.

WE'RE GETTING BETTER.

THE YEAR PREVIOUS COST IS 251,000.

PREVIOUS 332,000.

YEAR PREVIOUS.

PREVIOUS. PREVIOUS.

IT WAS EXPENSIVE.

MY POINT IS THAT WE FOCUSED PRIMARILY ON TWO COUNCILLORS WITH THESE ISSUES.

THE BREAKDOWN.

IT'S A GOOD REPORT.

MY COMPUTER SITS ON MY SHOULDER.

MY PRINTER IS HERE.

MY SCREEN IS HERE.

IF THE CEO AND STAFF WERE NOT EQUIPPED WITH GOOD EQUIPMENT, I WOULDN'T HAVE THIS REPORT IN MY HANDS AND THEY WOULDN'T BE ASKING QUESTIONS.

I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB WITH IT.

IT'S JUST THAT I FAILED TO FOLLOW IT IN A LOT OF PLACES.

I THINK IT'S ENOUGH THAT I BROUGHT IT TO LIGHT THAT I HAVE PROBLEMS BECAUSE I'M SURE SOME OTHER PEOPLE WILL TOO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AND IF I HAVE ABOUT 30 SECONDS.

SURE. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'VE BEEN AT LOGGERHEADS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, BUT YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN A DEDICATED AND PROFESSIONAL MAN.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE.

THANK YOU, MR. NICHOLS.

POSSIBLY WE CAN HAVE MS. SONNENBURG ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT ON THE AGENDA PACKAGE.

BUT JUST FROM LOOKING AT IT, I THINK THOSE HIGHLIGHTED NUMBERS, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONFLICT OF INTEREST COSTS AND THEN THERE'S INVESTIGATIONS OF CODE OF CONDUCT, WHICH ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES IN THEMSELVES.

SO THERE'S PRICES IN THIS CHART FOR CODE OF CONDUCT, WHICH EQUAL OUT A TOTAL OF 77,759, WHEREAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHICH BRINGS IN LAWYERS THAT WE DON'T CHOOSE, WE JUST HAVE TO PAY THE BILLS FOR.

THAT'S WHERE THE BIG NUMBERS ARE FOR THE ACTUAL COURT CASES.

IT'S SIMPLY AN INQUIRY.

BUT COULD WE HAVE NOT HAVE PUT THE BRAKES ON AT ANY ONE TIME WHEN THIS THING STARTED TO GET EXCESSIVE? NO, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST COUNCIL MEETING IS IT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS ONCE THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER ROLLS WITH IT.

WE'RE JUST STUCK PAYING THE BILLS.

AND IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO THE MINISTRY OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THIS ALL CAME FROM.

OUR HANDS ARE TIED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

OKAY, THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC INPUT THIS EVENING.

PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS, THERE ARE NONE.

[7. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS]

7.1, REPORT FROM THE SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER RUBEN JUUTI, AQUATICS CENTER REPAIRS.

WE'LL START OUT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION AND I IMAGINE IT'LL PROBABLY BE AMENDED AS WE GO.

BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REPORT OF THE SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER, DATED OCTOBER 6, 2022, BE RECEIVED AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN PHASE FOR A COMPREHENSIVE REPAIR OF THE POOL FIXTURES, PLUMBING AND BELOW DECK SERVICES AND ALIGNMENT WITH OPTION B AS PRESENTED IN AQUATICS, ASSOCIATION, POOL, SHELL FITTING AND FILTRATION REVIEW, AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO PROCEED WITH THE COMPLETION OF THESE COMPREHENSIVE REPAIRS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO PURSUE

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DO I HAVE A MOVER.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE AND I'LL HAND IT OVER TO YOU, MR. GOULDING. THANK YOU, WORSHIP.

SO THERE'S BEEN REPAIRS GOING ON AT THE POOL SINCE THE END OF JUNE THIS SUMMER.

THE FOCUS OF THOSE REPAIRS HAVE BEEN PRIMARILY MECHANICAL AND HVAC REPLACEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE MECHANICAL ROOMS AT THE POOL, BUT THEY'RE CERTAINLY IMPRESSIVE.

I HAVE HAD OPPORTUNITY THIS SUMMER AND I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND SOME OF THAT STUFF.

IT'S INCREDIBLE HOW COMPLICATED THE POOL IS.

SO IN MY REPORT, I SAY THAT REPAIRS TO THAT PORTION OF THE POOL ARE ALMOST COMPLETE UNDER A CONTRACT THAT WE'RE ENTERED INTO WITH AINSWORTH.

WITH RESPECT TO THE OPERATION OF THE POOL, I WOULD SAY THAT'S CORRECT.

I HAD A SLIGHT CORRECTION FROM MS. MCINNES WHERE THERE'S WORKING ELSEWHERE IN THE FACILITY THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED, BUT IT WOULDN'T IMPACT OPERATIONS REALLY IF WE WANTED TO REOPEN.

SO PLEASE TAKE MY REPORT AND THE SPIRIT OF THE OPERATION OF THE ACTUAL SWIMMING POOLS THEMSELVES.

SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE MECHANICAL AND HVAC REPAIRS GOT TO A STATE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING TO TEST THE INSTALLS.

TO DO SO, WE HAVE TO FILL THE POOL AND HEAT THE POOL.

AND WHEN THAT WAS DONE, WE STARTED LOSING WATER, SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF IT.

SO STAFF HAS SPENT THE BETTER WHILE, ALL OF SEPTEMBER, TRYING TO, WELL WITH THE HELP OF THE CONSULTANT TEAM, TO TRY AND NAIL DOWN WHAT THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE AND TRY TO ASCERTAIN WHERE LEAKS MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMING FROM AND TRY TO ASCERTAIN THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THE WATER LEAVING THE POOL AND WE'VE COME TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE GETTING DIRECTION FROM CONSULTANTS AND GAINING CONSENSUS AMONG STAFF THAT IT'S TIME TO FIX THIS PROBLEM RATHER THAN TRY TO PUT A BAND-AID ON IT.

SO THE ULTIMATE PRECIS OF THIS REPORT THAT I PROVIDED COUNCIL TODAY IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH CONDUCTING COMPREHENSIVE REPAIRS TO THE POOL'S FACILITY ITSELF.

THANK YOU, MR. GOULDING.

I'VE GOT A LOT TO SAY, BUT OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE THEIR HANDS UP.

I'M JUST GOING TO START OUT WITH A QUESTION.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO HAVE THE POOL SOMEWHAT OPERATIONAL WITHIN THE SEASON? I'LL JUMP IN. AND BILL'S THE TECHNICAL EXPERT.

HE CAN JUMP IN AS WELL AND MR. DOYLE AS WELL. BUT WE COULD CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE TO FIND THE SOURCE OF THE LEAKS.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF IFS IN THIS SCENARIO.

BUT IF WE SPENT ALL OF OUR EFFORTS TRYING TO FIND THE SOURCE OF THE LEAKS, IT WOULD TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS, TWO MONTHS AT LEAST.

THE PROGNOSIS WAS APPROXIMATELY CHRISTMASTIME.

SO IT MAY BE OPEN BY JANUARY.

THAT'S IF WE CAN FIND THE SOURCE.

THERE'S LIKELY MORE THAN ONE SOURCE, BUT WE WOULD BE CONTINUING TO STRUGGLE AND PATCH AND BAND-AID AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.

AND IF WE CAN STEM THE LEAKS, THEN WE COULD STILL TECHNICALLY HAVE AN OPENING, LET'S SAY BEST CASE SCENARIO, JANUARY, ASSUMING WE CAN FIND THE LEAKS AND MITIGATE THEM, WE DON'T FIND ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S MORE TROUBLING.

THE CONCERN IS THAT WE WOULD BE SPENDING 30, $40,000 TRYING TO FIND THOSE LEAKS.

WE HAD ALWAYS CONTEMPLATED, COUNCIL KNOWS THIS, A FULL MAJOR REPAIR REFURBISHMENT OF THE POOL, WHICH WOULD SOLVE THE LEAK PROBLEM BECAUSE WE WOULD LITERALLY EXCAVATE AROUND THE ENTIRE POOL, REMOVE ALL THE PIPES THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC AND REINSTALL NEW ONES.

SO WE KNEW THIS, THAT SCOPE OF WORK WAS LOOMING ANYWAY.

THIS IS, IN OUR VIEW, ESCALATING THAT TIMING TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CRITICAL THAT WE HAVE TO HURRY UP.

WE COULD SPEND 2 TO 3 MONTHS LOOKING FOR THE LEAKS AND HOPING TO FIND THEM AND 30 OR $40,000.

THAT 30 OR $40,000 WOULD BE WASTED COMPLETELY BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ALL REMOVED WHEN WE DID THE MAJOR REFURBISHMENT.

SO ALL THAT TO SAY WE COULD CONTINUE TO TRY, THAT'S OPTION A, I SUPPOSE, IS TO TRY TO SALVAGE SOME FORM OF SEASON, BUT THERE IS NO GUARANTEE OF THAT AND THERE'S DEFINITELY A GUARANTEE OF, YOU KNOW, A FEW TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THAT WOULD BE WASTED AND THE STAFF TIME AND THE EFFORT OF TRYING TO MAINTAIN IT.

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WE KNOW WHERE IT'S COMING FROM AND THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY FIND THAT OUT IS TO EXCAVATE, FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT'S ALL AROUND THAT POOL ONCE WE REMOVE ALL THE DECKING AND THE PIPING.

THANK YOU, MR. GAGNON. I'M GOING TO SAY I AGREE WITH MR. THOMAS. WE NEED TO LOOK AT AN OPTION D.

FRUSTRATED WE'VE HAD BUILDING CONDITION ASSESSMENTS OVER THE YEARS THAT GIVE US A REPORT ON PRIORITIZING WHAT WE NEED TO REPAIR, AND IT NEVER SEEMS TO BE WHAT IT IS . I AM LOOKING AT THIS REPORT.

IT'S NOT ONLY 2 TO 2 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN BAND-AID REPAIRS, BUT ALSO REDUCES SOME OF THE SIZE THERE DEPENDING ON WHAT OPTION WE GO WITH.

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF CHEAP VERSUS AFFORDABLE, AND I KNOW THE SCHEDULING THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE POOL, THAT THAT POOL CAN BE USED FROM 6 A.M.

TO 9, 10:00 PM ON A DAILY BASIS.

EVERYTHING FROM SENIORS TO CHILDREN, AND MYSELF HAVING CHILDREN THAT IS A BIG AREA OF BOTH THEIR THEIR SOCIAL LIFE THROUGHOUT THE WINTER SEASON, BUT ALSO PHYSICAL ACTIVITY.

I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT BRINGING BACK THE REC CENTER CONCEPT.

WE NEED AN ARENA.

WE NEED A POOL IN ORDER FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO STAY HEALTHY AND VIBRANT AND ATTRACTIVE.

I KNOW FROM LOOKING AT THE OTHER BUILDING CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT WE HAVE OTHER WORK THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE STRUCTURALLY IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

SO THIS MIGHT MAKE FOR A SOLID POOL BODY FOR A WHILE.

BUT THERE'S OTHER STRUCTURAL WORK THAT WAS IN THE BUILDING CONDITION ASSESSMENT.

AND AS WE SAID, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, WHERE THE WATER IS GOING.

SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED.

I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DEBT FINANCE ACCORDING TO OUR DEBT SERVICE RATIO.

AND PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE US BUILD NEW EVENTUALLY.

THAT BEING SAID, WE DO NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE RECREATION IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

MR. GAGNON. THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE WITH THAT IS LABELING $2.6 MILLION AS A BAND-AID.

THE 30 TO 40,000 FINDING THE LEAKS IS A BAND-AID.

THE $2.6 MILLION IS ESSENTIALLY A NEW POOL.

YOU GET AS GOOD AS NEW.

THE ROOF, THE STRUCTURE IS FINE, SUBJECT TO WHAT WE FIND WHEN WE DIG THE HOLES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND $2.5 MILLION AND THEN FIND OUT THERE'S A PROBLEM.

WE'LL GO LOOKING FOR THE PROBLEM ON THE FRONT END.

AND IF THERE IS A GIANT CATASTROPHIC PROBLEM, THEN WE'LL FIND THAT OUT BEFORE WE SPEND THE WHOLE $2.6 MILLION.

SO WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THE BRAKES AND SAY, OKAY, NOW WE NEED A NEW POOL BECAUSE THE OLD POOL IS COMPLETELY NOT FUNCTIONING.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE KNOW, NEAR AS WE CAN TELL, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN YOU HAVE WITH ENGINEERS.

WE HAD THE SAME CONCERN WITH THE CIVIC CENTER.

WE SPENT TWO QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS ON THE FOUNDATION TO HAVE THE ROOF CAVE IN.

SO. BUT YOU KNOW.

WHAT IS PROPOSED IN OPTION B OR C IS ESSENTIALLY A NEW POOL.

THE CONSULTANTS WERE THE ONES WHO SAID, WHY WOULD YOU ABANDON THIS POOL? THE BASIN, THE POOL ITSELF IS BUILT TO LAST.

IT WAS BUILT WHEN THEY BUILT THINGS RIGHT.

THE STRUCTURE WE DETERMINED AFTER 2019, WE HAD THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS THROUGH IT.

THE ROOF IS FINE, THE POOL BASIN ITSELF IS FINE.

WE'VE SPENT A MILLION OR ABOUT TO SPEND $1,000,000 THIS SUMMER ON THE DEHUMIDIFIER AND SOME OF THE MECHANICAL PIECES.

NOW WE NEED TO GET TO THE PLUMBING AND IF WE SPEND TWO AND A HALF, $2.6 MILLION ON PLUMBING, THEN WE BASICALLY GOT A NEW POOL.

WE JUST NEED SOME STAINING OR SOME SANDING OF THE WOOD, AND IT'S EVEN GOING TO LOOK PRETTY GOOD.

NOW, THAT'S JUST WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW BASED ON THE DIRECTION WE'VE ALREADY HAD FROM COUNCIL, WHICH IS WE THINK WE CAN FIX THIS POOL AND LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.

AND THIS $2.6 MILLION, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS RESEARCH, IT WAS, OH, YOU'D GET 10 OR 12 YEARS IF WE DO IT AS CONTEMPLATED, IF WE BELIEVE THE ENGINEERS, WE'LL GET 20 YEARS.

AND THAT'S CERTAINLY A LONG TIME.

IS THIS THE SAME GROUP THAT'S PLANNING ON FIXING IT? NO, THEY'RE THE CONSULTING ENGINEERS, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE POOL EXPERTS.

THEY'RE NOT LINING THEIR OWN POCKETS IN ORDER TO GET THE FEES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.

IT WOULD BE OUTSOURCED TO VARIOUS COMPONENTS, OF COURSE.

BUT THE POOL EXPERTS THAT WE'RE TALKING TO, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GET SOME FEES, OF COURSE, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE DOING THE WHOLE 2.6 MILLION.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THANK YOU TO MR. JUUTI AND MS. MACLEOD. I DON'T WANT TO SAY YOU'RE BRAVE FOR COMING FORWARD AND GIVING US OPTION C.

I JUST THINK THAT YOU HAVE THE CONCERNS OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY WHEN WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS AND I

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I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

CAN I JUST ASK THEM, PLEASE? SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YOU WANT ME TO ASK AT ONCE.

I DID SEND THESE TO STAFF.

I'M NOT ASKING ALL OF THEM BECAUSE YOU'VE ANSWERED SOME OF THEM.

MR. GOULDING, I WANT TO KNOW IF THE GYM WILL STAY OPEN AT ALL DURING ANY OF THIS PROCESS? I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS FOR STAFF LAYOFFS.

I WANT TO KNOW IF THE HAMPTON HAS BEEN CONSIDERED FOR AQUA FIT OR SOME OF THE PROGRAMS WITH SOME OF OUR SENIORS.

I KNOW IT'S A SMALLER POOL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THAT WILL WORK.

I WANT TO KNOW IF WE COULD SPONSOR THROUGH KERRY'S DEPARTMENT, IF MAYBE WE CAN SPONSOR SOME BUS TRIPS TO ESPANOLA, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST POOL, I BELIEVE, FOR EITHER SENIORS ONCE A WEEK OR FOR FAMILY SWIM OR FOR CHILDREN, JUST TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME ENJOYMENT OF THE POOL DURING THIS PROCESS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S MONEY LEFT IN OUR FUND THAT WOULD, I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED.

MY BRAIN JUST QUIT.

IF THERE'S MONEY IN THERE THAT WE CAN ACCESS FOR THAT.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE NEXT PART OF THE PROCESS TO US IF WE GO AHEAD WITH OPTION B OR C, IS THIS A RFP THAT HAS TO BE SENT OUT? WILL THIS BE SINGLE SOURCED? WHAT IS THE PROCESS AND MY LAST QUESTION IS ABOUT THE FUNDING.

CAN THE FUNDING BE APPLIED FOR AFTER WE STARTED? CAN WE USE STOCK FUNDING AND CAN ANYTHING THAT WE SPEND BE APPLIED TOWARDS FUNDING THAT WE WILL RECEIVE LATER? I THINK I CAN HANDLE MOST OF THAT.

AND THEN I'LL LET BILL SPEAK ABOUT THE NEXT STEPS.

SO I HAVE REACHED OUT TO RETIREMENT LIVING AND WE WILL CONTINUE DISCUSSING THAT.

BUT IT DOES LOOK CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO SORT OUT SOMETHING.

THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES AT PLAY, OF COURSE, INSURANCE AND, YOU KNOW, AND TIMING AND WHATNOT.

SO BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A NO.

SO WE'LL CONTINUE TALKING TO THEM TO SEE IF WE CAN COMMANDEER PART OF THE HAMPTON POOL TO SOME DEGREE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

IT WILL BE UP TO COUNCIL, OF COURSE, IF THEY WISH TO SUBSIDIZE, YOU KNOW, TRAVEL TO ESPANOLA.

BUT I THINK IT'S PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE, OF COURSE.

AND WE DID REACH OUT TO ESPANOLA WHEN WE SAW THIS COMING.

SO THEY DO HAVE THE HEADS UP AND THEIR POOL, THEY HAD THEIR OWN CHALLENGES, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE THEY'VE GOTTEN OVER THAT AND IT'S IT'S AVAILABLE.

WE WILL MINIMIZE LAYOFFS AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

WE KNOW THROUGH COVID THAT WE CLOSED THE POOL AND WE DIDN'T LAY OFF ANY CUPE WORKERS AT THAT TIME.

WE ONLY LAID OFF PART TIME LIFEGUARDS.

AND I KNOW THAT I SAY THAT ONLY IT'S STILL NOT GREAT.

BUT WE WILL TRY TO WORK AS BEST WE CAN TO REDEPLOY STAFF, INCLUDING THE CUPE MEMBERS AT THE POOL.

SO I THINK WE CAN REASONABLY SAY THAT THERE WILL BE LIMITED LAYOFFS WHEN IT COMES TO THE POOL SERVICE INTERRUPTION.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE? THE GYM. OH, THE GYM.

WELL, WE MAY HAVE SOME PHASING ISSUES WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT I THINK FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT TIME, I DON'T SEE WHY THE GYM COULDN'T BE OPEN IF WE WANTED TO.

AND THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE PROGRAMING OR INCREASE THE FOOTPRINT INTO THE LOBBY, REDEPLOY THOSE STAFF TO DO MORE ACTIVE, YOU KNOW, GYM TYPE PROGRAMING.

I DON'T KNOW. WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, CROSSED SOME OF THESE ANSWERS YET UNTIL COUNCIL SAYS YES TO ONE DIRECTION OR ANOTHER.

BUT THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AT THE MANAGEMENT TEAM IS HOW CAN WE MAINTAIN AS MANY SERVICES AS WE CAN THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS? AND THEN THE PHASING THE NEXT STEPS, MAYBE I'M NOT SURE IF, BILL, YOU HAVE YOUR MIND WRAPPED AROUND THAT, PROBABLY BETTER THAN I DO.

YEAH, THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

SO NEXT STEPS ARE TO ENGAGE THE CONSULTANTS THAT'S PROVIDED THIS REPORT, THE AQUATICS ASSOCIATES.

WE'D BE LEANING ON THEM TO ASSIST US IN CREATING A SCOPE OF WORK AND SPECIFICATIONS THAT WOULD COMPRISE A TENDER PACKAGE SO THAT WE COULD PUT OUT THE ACTUAL REPAIRS TO TENDER TO CONTRACTORS AND HOPEFULLY HAVE THEM BEGIN WORK AT IN THE NEW YEAR, BEGINNING OF THE NEW YEAR. THANK YOU WORSHIP.

THROUGH YOU. THANK YOU, MEMBERS OF ELAC FOR COMING FORWARD, EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVEN'T SPOKEN.

I HAVE RECEIVED A LOT OF PHONE CALLS FROM A LOT OF YOUR MEMBERS AS WELL.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT A BAND-AID AND KEEP YOU IN THERE FOR THE 12 WEEKS OR 14 WEEKS IT'S GOING TO TAKE US TO GET READY.

I WANT TO PUT AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION AND I WANT TO AMEND IT TO OPTION C.

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SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

YEP, I AGREE.

NO MORE BAND-AIDS.

WE'VE BEEN SPENDING MONEY ON THE POOL.

WE'VE BEEN GETTING THE REPORTS.

THIS POOL HAS BEEN LEAKING FOR YEARS.

WE ALL KNOW THAT.

LET'S FIX IT RIGHT.

SO, IF COUNCIL SAYS, OR STAFF IS TELLING US THAT THEY CAN'T GET IT OPEN IMMEDIATELY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF BAND-AIDS, A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, THEN YES, THEN WE STAY CLOSED.

I WOULD PREFER THAT STAFF COULD ACTUALLY KEEP THE POOL OPEN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE IT OPEN YET.

WE KNOW THAT. BUT I WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT OPEN SO THAT YOU HAVE A PARTIAL SEASON WHILE WE'RE PUTTING THAT TENDERING OUT AND SO FORTH.

AND NOW SO MY QUESTION BECOMES TO MR. GOULDING THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, IS THAT 10 TO 12 WEEKS A TIGHT TIMELINE OR IS IT A LOOSE TIMELINE? WITH THAT IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY, THROUGH THESE ENGINEERS, TIGHTEN THAT UP, GET THE RFP OUT, GET SOMEBODY STARTED ON THIS PRIOR AND I KNOW WE'LL LOSE THE CHRISTMAS BREAK AND SO FORTH REGARDLESS.

BUT IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD TIGHTEN THAT UP, SKIP THE BAND-AID AND LET'S JUST GET THIS DONE IMMEDIATELY? THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

SO I TRIED TO GET A SENSE OF THAT FROM MR. HAMILL, THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM AQUATICS ASSOCIATES.

TRY TO FEEL A MODE ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THIS DESIGN PHASE LOOK LIKE? WHAT DOES THIS TENDER PROCESS LOOK LIKE? AND MY SENSE IS THAT THERE'S SOME SLACK IN THAT TIMELINE.

BUT I CAN'T BE CONFIDENT IN SAYING JUST HOW MUCH.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE OPTIONS, I BELIEVE OPTION C IS LISTED AS A 40 WEEK SCHEDULE AND OPTION B IS LISTED AS A 38 WEEK SCHEDULE.

AND THE DIFFERENCE IS BASICALLY THAT THEY ADDED A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR SPECIFYING ACCESSORIES FOR THE POOL.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF DIFFERENCE IN THE SCOPE OF WORK LEADS ME TO BELIEVE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME SLACK IN THAT SCHEDULE.

BUT TO WHAT DEGREE? I MEAN, I HAVE TO GET DOWN IN THE WEEDS WITH MR. HAMILL TO REALLY ANSWER THAT PROPERLY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER.

SO AGAIN, I WOULD.

LET'S GO TO OPTION C. WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $2 MILLION OR TWO AND ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

LET'S MAKE IT LOOK NEW.

LET'S DO THE RIGHT JOB.

LET'S NOT JUST REPAIR IT.

LET'S REPAIR IT AND REFURBISH IT.

SPEND THE EXTRA HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

YOU'VE GOT TO REMEMBER, WE'RE ALREADY APPROVED FOR 50 CENT FUNDING.

SO IF WE'RE APPROVED FOR THAT MUCH MONEY, IT'S ONLY GOING TO COST US A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND EXTRA.

THE REPORT SAYS THAT WE'RE, APPROVED IT.

MR. GAGNON. WELL, IT ALSO GOES BACK TO COUNCILLOR FINAMORE'S QUESTION THAT I FORGOT TO ANSWER, WHICH IS THE, WERE APPROVED FOR 50% FUNDING FOR THE ONE MILLION DOLLARS SUMMERTIME WORK THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED, WERE APPROVED AT STAGE ONE AND INVITED TO APPLY TO STAGE TWO TO THE NOHFC FOR THE 2.6 MILLION OR WHATEVER WE END UP WITH. WE'RE NOT GUARANTEED THAT THAT 50% FUNDING CONTINUES FOR THE 2.6 MILLION.

SO THERE IS STILL A CHANCE THAT THE NOHFC SAYS NO AND WE'RE LEFT AT 100% MUNICIPAL DOLLARS FOR 2.6 MILLION.

NOW, IT IS ENCOURAGING THAT THEY'VE APPLIED OR INVITED US TO APPLY FOR STAGE, FOR PHASE TWO FOR THE NOHFC, AND WE KNOW THAT ANY COST INCURRED RIGHT NOW TODAY, IN FACT GOING BACK TO APRIL ARE ELIGIBLE.

SO THE GOOD NEWS IS IF THEY SAY YES, ALL THE COSTS INCURRED TO DATE, INCLUDING TOMORROW, NEXT WEEK, WILL BE ELIGIBLE AND WE'RE ELIGIBLE TO HAVE THAT 50% BACK TO THE 2.6 MILLION.

BUT WE'RE NOT GUARANTEED THE FULL 2.6, 50% FUNDING FOR THE WHOLE SCOPE OF WORK, JUST THE 500,000 THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR THIS SUMMER.

BUT BASICALLY WE'VE TOLD THE NOHFC WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP AT THIS.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP GOIN,G SUBJECT TO WHAT HAPPENS HERE TONIGHT AND THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GIVEN TO THE NOHFC.

FOLLOW UP. THANK YOU.

FOLLOW UP BECOMES WHEN WILL WE FIND, I WOULD LIKE THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT ABOUT PHASE TWO.

BUT REGARDLESS, I THINK IT'S A 50 YEAR OLD ASSET AND I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE ASSET AND I.

NO MORE BAND-AIDS. YOUR WORSHIP I'M SORRY.

I DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR TO SEND OUT NEW STUDIES AND NEW INFORMATION AND NOT HAVE A POOL AT ALL, WAITING FOR 2 TO 3 YEARS TO BUILD A NEW POOL.

I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE ASSET THAT WE HAVE AND WE'VE GOT TO FIX IT FOR A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS.

OKAY. SO WE'RE STILL.

QUESTION.

WHEN DO WE THINK WE'LL HEAR ABOUT PHASE TWO? YEAH. OKAY.

THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

SO FIRST WE HAVE TO APPLY TO PHASE TWO JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO THAT.

MR. ANTUNES APPLIED FOR PHASE ONE FUNDING BACK IN, I BELIEVE, AT THE BEGINNING OF MAY, JUST IN ANTICIPATION.

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I WAS JUST NEW TO THE JOB, SO MR. ANTUNES LOOKED AFTER IT.

SO HE ACTUALLY APPLIED FOR 3 MILLION.

THAT'S A BIT PEDANTIC.

RIGHT. BUT PHASE ONE MEANS THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THE PROJECT IS ELIGIBLE.

SO. AS FOR WHEN.

I MEAN, FIRST WE HAVE TO APPLY AND THEN WE HAVE TO HEAR BACK.

NOHFC IS A LITTLE BIT NOTORIOUS FOR NOT LETTING YOU KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER.

BUT MY EXPERIENCE LATELY HAS BEEN THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE PANDEMIC, THERE'S QUITE A BACKLOG AND THEY'VE SHORTENED IT QUITE A BIT.

SO. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE RATIONALE FOR THAT STAFF PUT FORWARD FOR APPLYING FOR PHASE TWO, BECAUSE WITH ALL OF THOSE EDGE CASES ABOUT WHO MIGHT DO WHAT, WE HAD A FEELING THAT WE MIGHT BE PUSHING COUNCIL INTO A POSITION WHERE THEY'RE COMMITTING A FUTURE COUNCIL AND THEY MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

AND THE OTHER IMPLICATION IS THAT OPTION C BUILDS ENTIRELY ON OPTION B.

SO THE PROCESS OF GOING FORWARD WITH OPTION B LEAVES US COMPLETELY OPEN.

AND I HAPPEN TO AGREE PERSONALLY, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN OPTION C IF WE GET 50% FUNDING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT AS A GUARANTEE AT THIS MOMENT. MR. ANTUNES, ANYTHING TO ADD.

THANK YOU, WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU. I JUST STEPPED UP BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE MR. GOULDING HANGING OVER THERE.

BUT WHEN WE DID GO THROUGH IT ORIGINALLY, WE GOT A HIGH END, A VERY BALLPARK FIGURE FROM MR. HAMILL AT AQUATIC ASSOCIATES AND SAID THIS WAS.

SO WE APPLIED FOR THE TOP END.

WHEN WE GO TO PHASE TWO, THAT'S WHEN THEY START LOOKING AT WE WANT TO SEE MORE CONCRETE NUMBERS.

IT'S NOT 3 MILLION ISH.

IT'S 2,000,591, WITH VERY SPECIFIC NUMBERS.

SO THAT'S, MR. GAGNON GAVE US SOME GREAT DIRECTION ON THE INITIAL APPLICATION WHERE WE WENT HIGH WITH THE HOPE THAT IF WE'D GO BACK AND SAY, WELL, IT WASN'T 3 MILLION, IT WAS 2.5 THAT IT WOULD HELP THE APPLICATION ALONG.

SO THAT'S THE REASONING THAT WE DID THAT ORIGINALLY.

SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

OKAY. STILL NO TIME FRAME, THOUGH.

I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY WE WON'T BE INCURRING ANY SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE BEFORE WE FIND OUT WHETHER THE NOHFC IS AT THE TABLE OR WITH THE FULL 50%.

SO BY THE TIME YOU DO SOME DESIGN WORK AND TENDERING AND WE WON'T BE, YOU KNOW, WE WON'T BE ONE MORNING REALIZING, OH, WE SPENT 1.5 MILLION, NO WE'LL HAVE TIME TO, TO ADJUST AND WE'D HAVE TO REACH OUT TO IT. NOHFC.

MOST OF THE TIME WE GET A LITTLE NUDGE THAT SAYS, GET YOUR APPLICATION IN BY NEXT WEDNESDAY, OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO BE 45 DAYS BEFORE THEY SEE IT.

SO WE MIGHT, I'M SHOOTING FROM THE HIP THINKING TWO OR THREE MONTHS FROM THE TIME YOU GET A COMPLETED APPLICATION INTO THEM.

AND WE'RE NOT THAT FAR AWAY FROM A COMPLETED APPLICATION ONCE WE CONFIRM WHAT OPTIONS WE'RE SELECTING THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON THE FLOOR, BUT I STILL HAVE A SPEAKERS LIST.

EVERYONE STILL WANT TO SPEAK ALONG WITH THE AMENDMENT.

ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING.

COUNCILMAN, YOU WERE UP NEXT.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I THINK IT'S ALL KIND OF BLURRED TOGETHER, SO I'M FINE.

I THINK IT'S MY COMMENTS ARE IN LINE.

I GUESS, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, MR. GOULDING, FOR YOUR REPORT.

VERY DETAILED. LOTS OF INFORMATION.

SOME OF THE WAY I WAS THINKING BEFORE HAVING SEEN YOUR REPORT WAS SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

RUN THE SEASON, FIX IT LATER, GET A LITTLE BIT OF A SEASON OUT THERE.

BUT CLEARLY, WITH THESE NUMBERS AND THIS INFORMATION, IF THINGS CHANGE, WHICH IS WHY I'M HAPPY COUNCILLOR PATRIE ACTUALLY MADE THE AMENDMENT BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO DO IT IF HE HADN'T OR COUNCILLOR FINAMORE OR WHOEVER ELSE, BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE SIMILAR VIEWPOINTS.

AND I THINK THE REASON BEING IN 40 WEEKS WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A REC UP IN THIS COMMUNITY.

SO THEREFORE OPTION D IS NOT ON THE TABLE FOR ME TONIGHT.

WE HAVE A POOL, WE NEED IT FIXED.

IT SOUNDS TO ME SO FAR AS IF WE'VE COMMITTED TO CONTINUING TO HAVE A POOL IN ELLIOT LAKE.

THEREFORE, LET'S MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT AND MOVE THIS FORWARD.

AND IF I CAN GET A BRAND NEW POOL OR AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO A BRAND NEW POOL FOR 2.6 MILLION, GIVE OR TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTINGENCY, I STILL THINK IT'S WAY BETTER THAN THE COST OF A BRAND NEW POOL.

SO I STILL THINK WE'RE AHEAD.

I WAS ABLE TO TODAY TO TALK TO A COUPLE OF MEMBERS OF ELAC, INCLUDING MR. JIUTTI, AND HE REMINDED ME IN 1984 THERE WAS NO SEASON AND HE DID DRYLAND TRAINING THAT LONG AGO FOR THAT SEASON.

THEY KEPT THE CLUB GOING AND THEY SURVIVED IT.

AND I TALKED TO HIM AGAIN ABOUT MEMBERSHIP AND WHAT'S HAPPENED OVER COVID.

AND IT IS TRULY UNFORTUNATE THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE HAD THIS CLOSURE HAPPEN DURING COVID BECAUSE REALLY WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

WE WOULD HAVE GLADLY PICKED OPTION C, GONE AHEAD, EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED BECAUSE OF OTHER PROVINCIAL MANDATES.

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BUT WE'RE NOT.

I DON'T WANT THEM TO LOSE TWO SEASONS.

I THINK IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO OTHER USER GROUPS, THE RETIREMENT LIVING POOL AT THE HAMPTON AND I RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT RETIREMENT LIVING'S POOL, IT'S HAMPTON'S POOL.

SO I THINK THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT AS WELL.

RETIREMENT LIVING MIGHT SAY YES, HAMPTON MIGHT SAY NO, AND THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER ARGUMENT.

SO AGAIN, BASED ON THE PRICING AND I APPRECIATE, AGAIN, STAFF SAYING LET'S COME IN AT THE B OPTION AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT ALONG THE WAY, I'D RATHER GIVE THE COMMUNITY SOME COMFORT REALIZING THAT FOR COMMITMENT OF AN ADDITIONAL $600,000 TONIGHT, WE'RE DOING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO GET THIS DONE PRIOR TO THE REOPENING OF THE NEW POOL, THE RENOVATED POOL IN SEPTEMBER 2023, WHICH I THINK IS THE MESSAGE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONVEY TONIGHT.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

YOUR WORSHIP, THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

YES THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. GOULDING. IT'S A VERY, VERY THOROUGH REPORT, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND GET A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE DIFFICULTY WE'RE FACED WITH.

ALSO WANT TO THANK MR. JIUTTI AND MS. MACLEOD FOR THEIR COMMENTS.

I THINK THOSE WERE VERY, VERY WORTHWHILE.

I THINK, AS COUNCILLOR MANN HAS POINTED OUT, IF ONE OF US HADN'T MADE THE AMENDMENT, THE OTHER ONE WOULD.

IT'S THE WAY IT WAS GOING TO GO.

I THINK THIS IS THE ONLY OPTION WE CAN GO WITH RIGHT NOW.

I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN FAVOR OF A RECREATIONAL HUB, BUT I THINK REALITY IS SETTING IN PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS GET THIS POOL FIXED, GET IT FIXED QUICKLY, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE PROPERLY.

EVERYTHING I'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE INVOLVED IS THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE THIS POOL UP AND RUNNING IN SEPTEMBER AND THAT IT WILL BE A HECK OF A LOT BETTER THAN IT HAS BEEN IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.

SO I FULLY SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT.

I SUPPORT OPTION C.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. WELL, I'M PREPARED TO GO ALONG WITH THE OPTIONS C ALSO. BASICALLY BECAUSE THE CAO HAS SAID THAT IF THEY FIND THAT THERE'S MORE PROBLEMS THAN HAS ALREADY BEEN PUT FORWARD, EVERYTHING STOPS AND COMES BACK TO COUNCIL BEFORE WE STEP INTO IT.

THE BIG CONCERN I HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE A CONSULTING FIRM TELLING US WE'LL GET ANOTHER 20 YEARS OUT OF A 50 YEAR OLD BUILDING.

APPARENTLY, AT THE END OF THAT, IT'LL BE 70 YEARS OLD.

AND IT WAS NEVER DESIGNED TO BE AN HISTORIC SITE TO START WITH.

THERE'S A POOL. IT'S A LOVELY POOL.

IT'S. EASILY DESCRIBED AS PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO I SUPPORT THAT.

BUT I DO CAUTION THAT THE GOOD FOR 20 YEARS LINE SOUNDS A LOT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE GOT ON THE ARENA STORY WITH THE ROOF.

AND THEY WERE BACK THE NEXT SEASON TO DO MORE WORK AND ADD TO THE BILL.

SO I WANT US TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT THIS ONE.

THE CAO TALKED ABOUT THE OPTIONS SUCH AS A BUS TO ESPANOLA OR USING THE HAMPTONS POOL.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT THINGS.

I'M GLAD WE CAN HELP ELAC AND WE CAN SEE SOME PROGRESS ON SOCIAL WELL-BEING.

THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE US TO KEEP IN MIND IS IF WE'RE BOOKING BUSSES TO ESPANOLA, AND ALSO CONSIDER THAT THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE WHO USE THE POOL ASIDE FROM JUST THE AQUATICS TEAMS. AND WE HAVE TO TAKE THEM INTO CONSIDERATION SO THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF THEM ALSO.

NOW, HOW WE DO THAT, I'M NOT SURE, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.

AND MY LAST POINT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPENDING OVER $1,000,000 OF OUR MONEY.

WE'RE IN A LAME DUCK POSITION.

DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT? OR ARE WE PLAYING GAMES ON THE NEXT COUNCIL? AND I'D LIKE YOUR ADVICE ON THAT.

MR. GAGNON. I DON'T VIEW IT AS A LAME DUCK ISSUE.

THE ONLY DIRECTION YOU'RE GIVING US IS TO APPLY FOR FUNDING AND TO CLOSE THE POOL TO PROGRAMING TOMORROW.

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SO THE ONLY THING YOU'RE DOING IS DIRECTING STAFF TO APPLY FOR THIS.

WHEN THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD, WE KNOW WHAT THE REAL COST IS GOING TO BE OR AT A FUTURE BUDGET MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW WE FINANCE OUR SHARE OF IT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS, BUT ALL YOU'RE DOING IS DIRECTING STAFF TO PURSUE THESE OPTIONS.

AND THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME FOR A FUTURE COUNCIL TO CHANGE COURSE WITH ANY, WITH NO SIGNIFICANT COST IMPACT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF LAME DUCK.

AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE GRANTED THE ABILITY TO ME TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.

BUT I DON'T NEED TO BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE MOST LIKELY CLEAR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL THIS EVENING.

AND AS I SAID, IT'S ONLY DIRECTION TO STAFF AT THIS POINT.

THERE'S NO REAL, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANT COST IMPACT THAT WOULD RISE ABOVE THE $50,000 LAME DUCK PROVISION.

FOLLOW. NO, THANKS, MR. GAGNON. THE BIGGEST FACTOR THAT I SEE IN SUPPORTING CLOSING THE POOL IS THAT YOU SAID THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE HERE AND THAT I THINK HAS TO DO WITH THE DECK AND ITS ABILITY TO SUPPORT WEIGHT.

WELL, THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT CONCERNS.

ONE OF THEM IS PREVIOUS LEAKS, WHICH WERE NOT AS SEVERE AS THE ONE THAT DESCRIBED IN THE REPORT, HAVE CAUSED SOME ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE REINSTATED RIGHT NOW IF WE WERE TO REOPEN. SO THOSE ARE SAFETY CONCERNS.

THE OTHER CONCERN, AND I'M USING THAT LOOSELY, IS WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS WATER HAS GONE.

AND I'M NO ENGINEER, BUT IT DOESN'T, NONE OF US ARE.

AND IT DOESN'T TAKE AN ENGINEER TO DETERMINE THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MILDLY TROUBLING.

AND WE'LL FIND THAT OUT WHEN WE DO THE EXCAVATION.

SO WE HAVE THE CONCERN AND THE SOLUTION IN FRONT OF US.

AND SO THAT'S THAT SAFETY CONCERN.

I WILL STATE JUST FOR THE RECORD.

THE ONE INCH PER 24 HOUR LOSS IN THE LEAK LAST WEEK COMPLETELY STOPPED FOR 48 HOURS.

AND SO THERE WAS NO LEAK AND THEN IT RETURNED NOT AS SEVERE FOR THE NEXT TWO DAYS, 48 HOURS, WE LOST THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH.

I'M NOT AT ALL COMFORTED BY THE FACT THAT IT STOPPED FOR TWO DAYS.

I'M NOT SURE IF COUNCIL IS.

IT JUST, ALL THAT DOES IS ADD MORE CONCERN.

BUT IT'S NOT A, NOBODY HAS IDENTIFIED A SAFETY CONCERN FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.

IN FACT, THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER SAID IF YOU FILL THAT ONE HOLE, YOU'RE FINE KNOWING THAT THERE'S A BIGGER FIX COMING.

AND I SAID, WELL, I'M NOT.

THAT DIDN'T GIVE ME ANY COMFORT EITHER.

I DON'T IMAGINE IT'S GIVING COUNCIL ANY MORE COMFORT EITHER, CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ENGINEERING INDUSTRY HAS DONE TO THIS COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE, YOU ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION AND LET'S EXCAVATE, FIND OUT WHAT'S UNDER THE GROUND EARLY SO THEN WE CAN PHASE THE REST OF THE WORK IN THE MOST STRATEGIC WAY POSSIBLE.

GOOD. THANK YOU, MR. GAGNON.

THANK YOU, WORSHIP. OKAY, COUNCILLOR CYR UP NEXT.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

I'M GLAD THAT COUNCIL IS TAKING THE TIME TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS SERIOUSLY.

I DID HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT SPENDING UPWARDS OF TWO, TWO AND ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS THIS CLOSE TO AN ELECTION WITH A NEW COUNCIL INCOMING.

BUT AS OUR CAO WAS SAYING, THAT REALLY THE FUTURE COUNCIL WILL HAVE A LOT OF TIME, MOST PROBABLY TO HAVE INPUT.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I ALSO HOPE THAT CHOOSING THIS, IT WILL ACTUALLY REFURBISH OUR POOL AND MAKE IT A MUCH SAFER POOL, YOU KNOW, INCLUDING ENCOMPASSING A LOT OF ACCESSIBILITY OPTIONS AND INCREASING THE NON SLIP ASPECTS FOR IT.

BECAUSE AS A USER WITH MY DISABLED DAUGHTER, THERE WAS MANY AREAS OF THE POOL THAT WERE KIND OF CONCERNING AND, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT PROPER SUPPORT, THERE COULD BE SEVERE INJURY.

SO I'D RATHER LOOK AT DOING A PROPER AND COMPLETE FIX FOR THE LONG TERM THAN JUST BAND-AIDS.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THE INPUT AND ALL THE COMMENTS TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT COMPONENTS TO THIS COMMUNITY.

SO I FULLY SUPPORT THIS.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.

IF I MAY, TO MR. GOULDING. AND I'VE SPOKEN TO THE ENGINEER PREVIOUSLY, NOT RECENTLY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE SAID THAT WAS PROBLEMATIC WITH OUR POOL IS THERE IS NO ACCESS UNDER THE DECK WHERE ALL NEW BUILDS CURRENTLY HAVE THAT ACCESS AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HAVING IMMEDIATELY WHEN THEY START TO HAPPEN.

WHEN THEY DO THIS NEW RENOVATION OR THE NEW RETROFIT, WILL THAT BE PART OF THEIR SPECIFICATION?

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YEAH, CERTAINLY.

SO I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY.

THE AQUATICS ASSOCIATES ARE REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE VARIOUS CODES AND AND DESIGN REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO PUT A FUNCTIONING POOL TO THE STANDARD IN PLACE.

AND AGAIN, WE'D BE RELYING ON THEM TO PUT TOGETHER SCOPE AND SPECIFICATIONS.

I THINK, THIS ALMOST DOESN'T BEAR DISCUSSION, BUT DEPENDING UPON WHETHER WE GO WITH OPTION B OR C, IT DOES IMPACT HOW THE POOL IS PLUMBED, I BELIEVE FROM THE PRELIMINARY RESEARCH THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO.

EITHER WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT AND WE CAN REQUEST IT.

SO SIMPLE ANSWERS.

YEAH, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE CAN HAVE A LOOK AT THIS STUFF SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN.

OKAY, GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? NO. I'M GLAD THAT COUNCIL SUPPORTS GOING WITH THE LARGER FIX IN ORDER TO GET IT BACK UP AND RUNNING FOR OUR YOUTH AND OUR AQUATICS TEAM.

BUT I AM STILL VERY, VERY SKEPTICAL AND VERY WORRIED JUST BECAUSE OF THE ENGINEERING ISSUES AND REPORTS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

I'M KIND OF CONCERNED WHERE THAT WATER IS GOING AND ONCE YOU START EXCAVATING, HOPEFULLY THE WHOLE POOL DOESN'T DROP BECAUSE THAT'S A LOT OF WATER AND WHERE THE HELL IS IT GOING? I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING A NEWER UPDATED POOL IN THE FUTURE, AND I WILL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT AND THEN GO BACK TO THE MOTION, STARTING WITH COUNCILOR TURNER.

FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR CYR. IN FAVOR.

I'M IN FAVOR. THAT'S, AMENDMENTS CARRIED.

BACK TO THE MOTION AS AMENDED.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

AS AMENDED. IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR MANN. FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR CYR.

FAVOR. COUNCILOR TURNER.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

IN FAVOR. I'M IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.

OK 7.2, REPORT OF THE HUMAN RESOURCE COORDINATOR.

ELLIOT LAKE PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION NEGOTIATION AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH LABOR RELATIONS OR EMPLOYEE NEGOTIATIONS MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239-2 OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.

A MOVER TO PUT THIS IN CLOSE.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES.

GENTLEMEN, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CLERK.

IS THERE A REQUIREMENT TO PUT THIS IN CLOSED SESSION OR IF COUNCIL'S READ IT, IS IT ABLE TO BE RATIFIED AT THIS MOMENT? AT THE TIME THAT I PREPARED THE AGENDA, THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT TO PUT IT IN CLOSED SESSION.

I BELIEVE COUNCIL HAS TO STILL APPROVE THE PROPOSED OFFER, BUT MAYBE MS. CROSBY CAN SPEAK MORE TO THAT.

MS. CROSBY. IF WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING, THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

IF WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING DETAILS, I'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

I JUST WORRY IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN OPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

OKAY. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING.

YEAH. [LAUGHTER].

GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? VOTE TO PUT IT IN CLOSED SESSION.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. 7.3, REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, RE: MEMBERSHIP TO HURON NORTH COMMUNITY ECONOMIC ALLIANCE.

RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL APPOINT THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, STEPHEN TUNA AS MUNICIPAL BOARD MEMBER TO THE HURON NORTH COMMUNITY ECONOMIC ALLIANCE.

A MOVER, PLEASE.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

GOOD EVENING MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

AS NOTED IN THE ATTACHED OVERVIEW IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, THE HURON NORTH COMMUNITY ECONOMIC ALLIANCE, WHICH, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE NOTED IN THE ECONOMIC STANDING COMMITTEE MEETINGS, WE REFER TO IT AS HNCEA.

HNCEA IS A REGIONAL NETWORK OF MUNICIPALITIES ALONG THE NORTH SHORE.

IT'S A NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATION, AND ELLIOT LAKE IS A MEMBER OF HNCEA AND HAS BEEN FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS PAYING A NOMINAL MEMBERSHIP FEE.

WHEN I ENTERED THE ROLE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I WAS HAPPY TO BE PART OF ANY BOARDS, ANY GROUPS THAT WOULD HELP ADVANCE THE MUNICIPALITY AND OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

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AS RECENTLY ANOTHER MEMBER FROM OR SORRY, A MEMBER FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM ANOTHER MEMBER COMMUNITY HAS STEPPED UP AND SAID, I'D LIKE TO SIT ON THE BOARD. I WAS APPROACHED BY THE BOARD AND ASKED IF I WAS WILLING TO RELINQUISH MY SEAT FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, ASSUMING THAT I WOULD BE ABLE TO STEP IN AS A MUNICIPAL MEMBER.

THAT OF COURSE NEEDS A RESOLUTION OF COUNCIL.

AND THAT'S WHY I STAND BEFORE COUNCIL TODAY, HAPPY TO CONTINUE SERVING ON THE BOARD IF COUNCIL SO WISHES FOR ME TO SERVE AS A MUNICIPAL REPRESENTATIVE.

OF COURSE, ONE OF THE KEYS TO THIS BOARD, THERE IS NO FINANCIAL COMMITMENT BY THE MUNICIPALITY BY SITTING ON THIS BOARD.

OF COURSE, THAT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR ANYTHING.

BUT HNCEA DEALS WITH MANY ITEMS SUCH AS TOURISM INITIATIVES AND JUST INITIATIVES THAT WOULD BETTER OUR ECONOMIC STANDING AND JUST PUT FORTH TO COUNCIL IF DIRECTED. AND IF IT'S A PLEASURE OF COUNCIL, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SERVE AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE.

THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES. I THINK YOU'RE THE RIGHT PERSON FOR THE JOB.

FITS IN LINE PERFECTLY WITH WHAT YOU DO ON A DAILY BASIS FOR THE MUNICIPALITY.

SO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP.

WE HAVE QUESTIONS, COUNCILLOR MANN, THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.

TO MR. ANTUNES, NO ISSUE SUPPORTING THIS TONIGHT.

MY ONLY QUESTION IS, HAS THE MUNICIPALITY HAD REPRESENTATION ON THE BOARD IN THE PAST? THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I BELIEVE COUNCILLOR PEARCE IN THE INITIAL SIDE HAD SAT NOT AS A BOARD MEMBER, BUT MY PREDECESSOR DID ATTEND, BUT NOT AS A BOARD ISSUE.

WHEN I WAS ON OF COURSE, SELF ADMITTEDLY A BIT OF A KEENER.

SO I TOOK PART IN A LOT OF THE MEETINGS AND WAS VERY INVOLVED, HNCEA ASKED TO JOIN AS A MEMBER AT LARGE.

LET ME CLARIFY.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. I DID SIT AS A MEMBER, BUT NOT AS REPRESENTING THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

I WAS REPRESENTING A PRIVATE COMPANY WHICH I WAS THE CHAIR OF.

EXCUSE ME, COUNCILLOR PEARCE. I APOLOGIZE.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.

JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE BOARD? THE BOARD MEMBERSHIP, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE IS FIVE MUNICIPAL MEMBERS, THREE AND THREE MEMBERS AT LARGE.

IF MEMORY SERVES, I APOLOGIZE COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

I SAW THE CHART AT ONE POINT A WHILE AGO AND WHEN THIS CAME UP.

SO IT'S NOT AN OVERLY LARGE BOARD, BUT IT DOES HAVE MEMBERSHIP FROM THE MEMBER MUNICIPALITIES.

AND THEN. YES.

HOW OFTEN WOULD WE BE ABLE TO EXPECT? WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED A REPORT FROM HNCEA AT COUNCIL.

WHEN IS IT PART OF THEIR MANDATE? AND IF NOT, WHEN WOULD WE BE RECEIVING QUARTERLY MONTHLY UPDATES REGARDING HOW OFTEN THEY MEET? BUT. YEAH.

HOW OFTEN WILL WE BE RECEIVING A REPORT ON COUNCIL SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE BENEFITING THIS ORGANIZATION? THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP? WE DO TOUCH ON ANY HNCEA INITIATIVES THROUGH THE ACT OF STANDING MEETING.

TO BE VERY HONEST, THERE HASN'T BEEN VERY MANY EARTH SHATTERING ITEMS BROUGHT THROUGH HNCEA.

THE ORGANIZATION IS STARTING TO COME INTO ITS OWN NOW.

IT DOES MEET MONTHLY. WE HAVE A MEETING VIA ZOOM PRIMARILY.

WE'RE LOOKING TO GET MORE ENDEAVORS WHERE THERE'S BEEN AN ESTABLISHMENT OF WORKING GROUPS FOR TOURISM, AGRICULTURE AND SEVERAL OTHER MANDATES THAT HNCEA DOES HAVE.

BUT OF COURSE, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE LARGE, WE WOULD BRING THROUGH ACTIVE STANDING AND THEN OF COURSE, IN TURN UP TO COUNCIL.

BUT NOTHING LARGE HAS HAPPENED THAT HAS BEEN WORTH A STANDALONE REPORT OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING AT HNCEA TILL THIS POINT.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU, YOUR.

WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU. TO MR. ANTUNES, YOU'RE FULL VOTING MEMBERS OF MUNICIPAL REP ON THIS BOARD.

YES MA'AM, THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP. YES, MA'AM.

IT'S THE SAME AS MY CURRENT AT LARGE MEMBERSHIP.

IT WOULD JUST BE THE MEMBERSHIP THAT WOULD BE THE MUNICIPAL MEMBERSHIP AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. ANTUNES? OKAY, THANK YOU.

CALL FOR THE VOTE, THEN. ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT IS CARRIED. 7.4, MEMO FROM THE CITY CLERK.

COUNCIL MEETING OCTOBER 24, 2022 IS ELECTION DAY.

YES. SO MS. BRAY IS RECOMMENDING COUNCIL MAY WISH TO CANCEL OR RESCHEDULE THE REGULAR MEETING OF COUNCIL SET FOR OCTOBER 24TH, 2022.

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SO I'M LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. MOTION TO CANCEL.

IS THERE A SECONDER? SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

AND JUST WITH THAT, IF THERE'S URGENT INFORMATION OR WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE MR. DANIEL LET US KNOW AND WE CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.

7.5, MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR OF RECREATION AND CULTURE, RE: SANTA CLAUS PARADE.

THERE'S NO RESOLUTION ATTACHED, THOUGH.

I IMAGINE, THIS IS JUST FOR INFORMATION BUT MOTION TO RECEIVE ANYWAY.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN. SECOND BY COUNCILOR TURNER.

MS. CHALOUX, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

IT WAS JUST PRESENTING THAT THE SANTA CLAUS PARADE WILL TAKE PLACE ON FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 25TH.

THE PARADE WILL BEGIN AROUND 6:00 PM AND A TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY WILL TAKE PLACE.

THE BIG TREE IN THE 151 ONTARIO AVENUE [LAUGHTER].

BUT IT'S THE SAME TREE AS LAST YEAR AND WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT MORE OF A CEREMONY.

SO FOLLOWING THAT, WE'RE GOING TO WORK TRYING TO GET SOME CAROLERS AND OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS INVOLVED AND WITH PART OF THAT EVENT.

AND THEN JUST THIS YEAR'S THEME WILL BE CHRISTMAS MOVIES.

AND THE ROUTE DID CHANGE A BIT AND IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT SHORTENED FROM PAST YEARS AND JUST A FEW THINGS THAT WERE CONSIDERED WITH THIS DECISION. AND A LOT OF IT CAME DOWN TO OUR LIABILITY AND WITH OUR INSURANCE.

WE HAVE HAD TO TIGHTEN A LOT OF THINGS UP AS YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED IN THE LAST YEAR, A COUPLE OF YEARS.

AND ONE OF THEM IS DEFINITELY AFFECTING OUR PARADE.

AND BASICALLY THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED IS THAT ADULTS CAN RIDE ON TAIL BEDS.

STRONGLY ENCOURAGED, NOT LIKE THE TRAILERS BEING TOWED, BUT ABSOLUTELY NO CHILDREN.

AND WE THOUGHT THAT THIS IS A LITTLE DISCOURAGING, BUT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE THEM FROM PARTICIPATING.

AND WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T WANT THE ROUTE TO BE TOO LONG AS WELL.

BUT AND WE ALSO LIKED THE IDEA THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE HIGHWAY.

SO WE WEREN'T STARTING IN THE CIVIC CENTER PARKING LOT.

SO WE WERE GOING TO START LINING EVERYONE UP DOWN THE KIND OF MANITOBA IN FRONT OF THE OLD VET AND KIND OF COME OUT BY BEHIND THE SCOTIABANK PARKING LOT, START THERE AND THEN END WHERE CITY HALL IS BASICALLY.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING IN BETWEEN ANY OF THE BIG INTERSECTIONS AND WE CAN STILL HAVE CHILDREN AT LEAST WALK ALONGSIDE THE TRAIL.

THANK YOU MS. CHALOUX. JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, I'M GOING TO TELL MY CHILDREN THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY A BIRTHDAY PARADE FOR ME BECAUSE THAT'S ON MY BIRTHDAY.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE BIRTHDAY PARADE.

I AM GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE INSURANCE BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN DRIVING ME CRAZY.

INSURANCE IS KILLING ALL FUN IN THIS TOWN.

AND I SEE FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES.

EVEN WITH OUR SUMMER PARADE, WE HAD VERY LITTLE TURNOUT DUE TO THE THIRD PARTY LIABILITY INSURANCE AND ALL THE USER GROUPS HAVING TO NEED THEIR OWN INSURANCE.

BUT I'M LOOKING, BLIND RIVER IS HAVING A NORMAL PARADE.

ESPANOLA IS HAVING A NORMAL PARADE.

I'M. IT JUST I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I BUY CAR INSURANCE SO I CAN DRIVE MY CAR.

I'M SURE MY INSURANCE COMPANY WOULD LIKE ME TO LEAVE MY CAR IN MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THERE'S LESS RISK.

I FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THE SAME SITUATION HERE WHERE OUR INSURANCE IS GOOD AT TAKING $1,000,000 A YEAR BUT KEEPS TELLING US TO DO NOTHING.

AND IT'S VERY HARD WITH THE AMOUNT OF FAMILIES IN THIS COMMUNITY TO DO NOTHING.

I'M NOT SURE, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ON YOU, BUT IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, IS THIS GOING TO SOFTEN UP AT ALL OR JUST EVERY COMMUNITY IN ONTARIO JUST EVENTUALLY NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING? MR. GAGNON. IF IT'S ANY CONSOLATION, STAFF IS AS INCENSED AS THIS AS YOU AS COUNCIL IS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A VERY SIMPLE, IT'S THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY, AND WE'RE ALL STUCK WITH IT.

IF YOU'RE TOWING A FLATBED WITH A, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF MINORS AND A EIGHT YEAR OLD FALLS OVER AND HURTS THEMSELVES, YOUR CAR INSURANCE IS GOING TO DROP YOU LIKE A HOT ROCK AND YOU'RE GOING TO END UP SUED BY THAT PARENT WHO SAID, HOW DARE YOU HAVE PUT MY CHILD ON THAT.

WORST CASE SCENARIO, AND IT'S NOT AN UNLIKELY OR IT'S NOT A ABSURD SCENARIO.

IT COULD HAPPEN. IT HAS HAPPENED AND IT BRINGS WITH IT A WORLD OF HURT, OF FINANCIAL, YOU KNOW, IMPACT ON THE MUNICIPALITY.

WHEREVER IT MAY HAVE HAPPENED.

WE CAN GET OUR INSURANCE BROKER TO PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH SOME MORE HORROR STORIES AND ASK OURSELVES, COULD THAT HAPPEN HERE?

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SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO DIRECT US TO FIGURE OUT SOME OTHER WAY WHERE WE CAN JUST, YOU KNOW, LIVE DANGEROUSLY AND NOT WORRY ABOUT IT AND THEN DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES WHEN IT HAPPENS, THAT'S FINE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WHAT WHAT WILL HAPPEN.

OUR RATES WILL SKYROCKET.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE PAYING MORE THAN $1,000,000 A YEAR IN INSURANCE, WHICH WE'RE JUST SHY OF RIGHT NOW.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

MY UNDERSTANDING WAS SORRY, BLIND RIVER.

MY UNDERSTANDING FOR BLIND RIVER SPECIAL EVENTS IS THE MUNICIPALITY HAS WASHED THEIR HANDS AND SUPPORTED.

NOW EVEN THE GROUPS NEED TO ARRANGE THEIR OWN INSURANCE OR ARRANGE THEIR OWN SITUATIONS, THEIR OWN EVENTS, AND NAME THE CITY AS AN INSURED. AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BE THE MUNICIPALITY AS INVOLVED SO WE CAN CLARIFY HOW THE PARADE ITSELF IS HAPPENING IN VANCOUVER RIVER.

BUT THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING FOR COMMUNITY DAYS.

IT'S NOT ACTUALLY RUN BY THE MUNICIPALITY, IT'S SERVICE CLUBS AND GROUPS WHO TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO RUN THESE EVENTS, WHICH IS A MODEL WE SHOULD BE EXPLORING AND WE WILL BE EXPLORING, AND WE'LL BE TALKING TO THE INCOMING COUNCIL ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF MODELS BECAUSE THEY WOULD STILL OFFER TO BRING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY WELL-BEING AND THE SENSE OF INCLUSION AND FUN AND, YOU KNOW, MITIGATE THE RISK TO THE TAXPAYER AT THE SAME TIME.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR OBVIOUSLY.

MAYBE EARLY REACHOUTS AND SOME OF THAT EVENT SUPPORT FUNDING TO ASSIST.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THANK YOU, MS. CHALOUX. SO JUST SO WE CAN GET THIS CLEAR, YOU CAN PULL A FLOAT, YOU CAN BUILD A FLOAT ON A FLATBED.

YOU JUST CAN'T PUT ANYONE ON IT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF MY BIGGEST QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT.

IT WAS HOW CAN SANTA CLAUSE BE TOWED.

AND THEY BASICALLY SAID THAT HE COULD.

THEY STRONGLY ADVISE AND LIKE RECOMMEND NOT, BUT OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTAND THE CIRCUMSTANCE.

SO SAID THEY STRONGLY ENCOURAGE IT BUT ABSOLUTELY LIKE NO CHILDREN.

SO THEY SAID THAT SANTA COULD AND THE ODD LIKE ADULT UP.

THEY WERE ENCOURAGING AND ONCE AGAIN NO ADULTS AND I MEAN NO CHILDREN BUT YEAH BUT THEY AND THEY COULD WALK ALONG THE SIDE, BUT AGAIN AND JUST TO JUST BUNKER UP NAT MENTIONED THAT THE BOND RIVER PARADE, THE LIONS PUT IT ON.

SO THAT'S THEIR WAY AROUND IT IN HOW THEY HOST IT IS THAT IT'S NOT THROUGH THE MUNICIPALITY.

SO SANTA CAN RIDE NOT THE ELVES.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

UNLESS THEY'RE ADULTS AND VERY SHORT.

THE UMM.

I GUESS MAYBE AT SOME POINT, IF THIS DOESN'T WORK OUT THIS YEAR, WE CAN GO BACK TO LOOKING AT A STATIC PARADE BECAUSE IT REALLY WAS QUITE BEAUTIFUL.

AND IF WE HAD THE SERVICE CLUBS OR PEOPLE DECORATE THEIR FLOATS AND HAVE THEM STATIC AT SIMPSON PARK AND VARIOUS PARTS THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND AT HOMES, THEN MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CELEBRATE OUR SEASONS IN SOME WAY.

I'M WONDERING ABOUT IF YOU NEED ANY ROAD CLOSURES FOR MANITOBA ROAD AND ONTARIO AVENUE ON THAT NIGHT.

MS. CHALOUX. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. IT WOULD BE JUST A TEMPORARY CLOSURE, I GUESS.

BUT FOR THE PARADE TO GO THROUGH JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PAST ONE.

BUT YEAH. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU. YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.

LIKE YOU, I'M VERY, VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THIS.

I TRULY AM. IT'S BEEN ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE YEAR AND COVID COMPLETELY SMACKED IT AND I WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING AN ACTUAL PARADE WITH YOU KNOW, I GUESS WE CAN'T PUT ANY ELVES ON SANTA CLAUS' PARADE EITHER, RIGHT? UNLESS WE GET JUST, YOU KNOW, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE AND A COUPLE OF OTHER SHORT PEOPLE TO RUN ALONGSIDE.

I DON'T KNOW. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS, BAD DECISIONS, IN MY OPINION.

I'M NOT LAYING THIS ON YOU.

WE'RE MAKING BAD DECISIONS BECAUSE SOMEBODY IN AN INSURANCE OFFICE THINKS THAT THEY CAN BROWBEAT US INTO THIS.

AND I REALLY, REALLY STRONGLY OBJECT TO THIS.

I THINK WE'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY.

IF WE HAVE TO DO IT THROUGH THE SERVICE CLUBS, THEN MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING, IS TALKING TO THE SERVICE CLUBS RIGHT NOW, SEE IF THEY'LL HELP US OUT.

COME ON. I MEAN, SO SOME FAT GUY IS ON MY ROOF ON THE 25TH OF DECEMBER AND FALLS OFF, RIGHT? THAT'S ON ME.

BUT I DIDN'T PUT HIM ON THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, HE WAS TRYING TO CLIMB DOWN MY CHIMNEY.

SO HE'S ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T HAVE A PARADE WITH WITH PROPER FLOATS, WITH PEOPLE ON THE FLOATS, WITH CHILDREN PERHAPS BEING PART OF IT.

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THERE WAS A COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THERE WAS THE MAYOR AND HIS SON.

THERE WAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE ON THE FLOAT.

WE HAD A WONDERFUL TIME.

WE WERE THROWING CANDY.

CROWD WAS ENJOYING IT.

NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

I GUESS WE CAN'T THROW CANDY EITHER.

WE MIGHT HIT SOMEBODY, RIGHT? THERE YOU GO. OKAY.

I'M SORRY. I JUST FIND THIS RIDICULOUS.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE TOO SURPRISED AT THE ATTITUDE OF OUR AGENTS.

OUR CLAIMS HAVE AN EFFECT ON THEIR COMMISSIONS OR REBATES, HOWEVER, THEY'RE PAID THROUGH THE SENIOR COMPANY.

SO OF COURSE THEY DON'T WANT US TO DO ANYTHING.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ON COUNCIL OR ANYBODY LIVING IN THE CITY THINKS IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO LIVE DANGEROUSLY.

AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK WE SHOULD SPEND A LITTLE MORE TIME INVESTIGATING WAYS TO SUCCEED IN PROVIDING DECENT ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT PLACING OURSELVES AT SERIOUS RISK FINANCIALLY OR RISKING INJURY TO ANYBODY.

NONE OF US WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

WHAT WE DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY THESE SMALL THINGS, PARADES, ETC. THAT ARE PART OF THE SOCIAL FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY AND ARE GREAT CONTRIBUTORS TO ITS WELL-BEING.

NOW THAT I'VE HAD THAT SAY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE IS THE HOT CHOCOLATE AND THE HOT DOGS GOING TO BE THAT WE USED TO DO REGULARLY AT THE END OF THE PARADE? HAVE WE CONSIDERED THAT? THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THAT'S PARTIALLY PART OF THE PLANNING.

WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING READY TO GO AND I WAS WORKING WITH THE ECONOMIC LIEN AS THE EVENT'S TOURISM ON ON SOME OTHER ASPECTS FOR OUR TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.

INVITE YOU FIRST IF YOU WANT TO BE PERSONNEL [LAUGHTER].

YOU WANT TO VOLUNTEER.

THAT WOULD ALSO BE. ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY. I'LL BE THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP..

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THROUGH YOU.

I TOTALLY DISAGREE.

AN INSURANCE AGENT CAN'T TELL US WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO.

IF THE INSURANCE AGENT IS SAYING THAT WE CAN'T HAVE CHILDREN ON THE FLOAT, GIVE IT TO US WHERE IT SAYS IT IN THE POLICY.

I LIVE IN THE AMUSEMENT INDUSTRY.

YOU WANT TO SEE RISK? WE WORK TO MITIGATE RISK HOURLY, NEVER MIND DAILY AND MONTHLY.

AN AGENT CANNOT TELL YOU ANYTHING.

EVEN THEIR INSPECTORS THAT COME OUT CAN ONLY TELL YOU BEST PRACTICES.

AND SO MAYBE BEST PRACTICES IS NOT PUTTING CHILDREN ON A FLOAT OR NOT PUTTING CHILDREN ON THE EDGE OF A FLOAT.

BUT FOR AN INSURANCE AGENT TO TELL US THAT WE CANNOT HAVE THE CHILDREN ON THE FLOATS, I DON'T AGREE WITH.

I WOULD LIKE THEM TO GIVE THAT TO YOU IN WRITING SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT ON A PROPER PARADE FOR THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

IF WE CAN ALLOW ADULTS ON, IF THE ADULTS BRING THEIR CHILDREN, THERE IS PROTECTION THERE.

YOU ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT.

SOME YEARS WHEN I'VE BEEN IN, PUT STUFF IN THE PARADE, I HAVE FLOATS WITH SIDES, TRAILERS WITH SIDES ON THEM.

THEY CAN'T JUST FALL OUT. THEY'D HAVE TO JUMP OVER A RAILING.

SO FOR THEM TO JUST POINT BLANK SAY YOU CAN'T PUT CHILDREN ON A TRAILER, THAT'S SOMEBODY IN AN INSURANCE OFFICE SAYING YOU SHOULDN'T DO THIS.

AND I DON'T AGREE WITH.

I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

NO, WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LET THE CHILDREN BE ON THE FLOATS.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR POLICY ANYWHERE THAT I'LL GUARANTEE YOU THAT THEY COULD FIND TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON A PARADE.

YOU ALSO HAVE THE ASPECT THAT EVERY VEHICLE THAT IS TOWING THAT TRAILER WILL HAVE LIABILITY.

AND THAT LIABILITY INSURANCE IS WHO OUR INSURANCE COMPANY IS GOING TO GO AFTER SHOULD ANYTHING, GOD FORBID, EVER HAPPEN.

SO I JUST I DON'T AGREE WITH.

YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH NO PARADE.

COUNCILLOR CYR. THANNK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THROUGH YOU. I AGREE 100% WITH WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE AND COUNCILLOR PEARCE ARE SAYING HERE.

I THINK THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS ESPECIALLY, BUT IT'S BEEN ONGOING FOR PROBABLY DECADES, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE SEEMING TO HAVE

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THEY'RE OUT OF CONTROL.

AND I THINK THE NEXT COUNCIL AND OTHER MUNICIPAL COUNCILS NEED TO BAND TOGETHER TO LOBBY OR UPPER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT TO START REALLY CURBING THIS POWER THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE GATHERING.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A, IT NEEDS TO CHANGE AND WHETHER IT'S OUR PROVINCIAL OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS, SOMETHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO START CURBING THIS INSURANCE GREED THAT'S DEVELOPING, ENVELOPING OUR MUNICIPALITIES BECAUSE IT'S BANKRUPTING US.

OUR ANNUAL BUDGETS ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF INSURANCE, RISING COSTS THAT ARE UNCONTROLLED.

I MEAN, WE CAN'T DO PARADES NOW.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST.

IT'S TIME THAT WE START FIGHTING BACK.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO STOP TAKING IT.

STAND UP TO THE BULLY, AND IT'S TIME THAT WE START FIGHTING BACK.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THROUGH YOU.

TO MS. CHALOUX.

WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T AIM ANY OF THIS AT YOU.

I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING FORWARD THE DATE, WHICH IS, I'M SURE, ALL YOU INTENDED TO DO TONIGHT.

WE GOT SIDELINED.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

MAYBE TO INVOLVE THE KIDS MORE AFTERWARDS IN A SHOW OR SOMETHING AT COLLINS HALL.

I GET THE TREE LIGHTING CEREMONY.

I KIND OF THINK IT'S MY TREE.

BUT ANYWAY, I PUSHED TO HAVE THE LIGHTS PUT ON.

I DID. THAT WAS MY BUDGET REQUEST A FEW YEARS AGO AND THE LIGHTS GOT ON IT.

BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN MAKE IT MORE FUN FESTIVE FOR THE KIDS AFTERWARDS WITH A VISIT WITH SANTA.

AND I KNOW THAT LAST YEAR IT WAS OUTSIDE CITY HALL BECAUSE WE COULDN'T BE INSIDE COLLINS HALL WITH KIDS.

AND THIS YEAR, HOPEFULLY KIDS CAN GET UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL WITH SANTA AND MAYBE SHAKE HIS HAND OR GET A HUG OR SIT ON A KNEE AND MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BETTER FOR THEM.

THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WILL SUFFER BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO ON, CAN'T GO IN THE PARADE.

ALTHOUGH ALL THE YEARS I MADE MY KIDS GO IN THE PARADE, THE YEARS THEY DIDN'T GO IN THE PARADE, THEY LIKED IT BETTER BECAUSE THEY GET TO WATCH THE PARADE.

BUT, YOU KNOW.

TO THINK THAT THERE'S LESS OF A RISK FOR CHILDREN WALKING BEHIND OR BESIDE A TRANSPORT THAN BEING ON THE FLOAT IS RIDICULOUS.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THE ONLY TIME I'VE EVER SEEN ANY INCIDENTS INVOLVED WITH THE PARADE IS WHEN THERE'S BEEN CHILDREN ALMOST RUN OVER BY THE TRANSPORT.

SO I'M NOT SURE.

AND THOSE WERE NOT PEOPLE, KIDS IN THE PARADE, THOSE WERE KIDS RUNNING FROM THE SIDEWALK OUT TO THE FLOATS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T CANDY, IT WAS JUST.

ANYWAY, SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING FORWARD THE DATE.

AND I'M SURE THAT YOU AND WORKING WITH YOUR TEAM AND WITH MRS. DOYLE WILL COME UP WITH SOMETHING FANTASTIC BECAUSE YOU'RE VERY CREATIVE PEOPLE.

COUNCILOR TURNER, YOU HAD ANOTHER COMMENT? NO. I WAS GOING TO DRIFT BACK INTO INSURANCE, BUT I'LL SAVE THAT FOR ANOTHER CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THANK YOU.

MY ONLY QUESTION ON THAT IS WHAT ABOUT EVERYBODY WHO PARTICIPATES SIGNING SOME KIND OF WAIVER? IS THAT RISK MANAGEMENT ENOUGH? I GO USE A DIRT BIKE TRACK, I'M SIGNING A WAIVER IN CASE I WIPE OUT AND BREAK A LEG.

THEY'RE HERE.

YOUR WORSHIP, YEAH, THEY THEY TOLD US THAT WON'T SUFFICE.

SO IT'S JUST A CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE.

YEAH. WOW.

OKAY, BEAUTIFUL. ALL RIGHT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE DATE AND THE HEADS UP THAT WE'RE WORKING ON A PARADE AND HOT CHOCOLATE AND A CHRISTMAS TREE.

AND. YES, THANK YOU FOR THE BIRTHDAY FLOATS.

I'M GOING TO CALL FOR THE VOTE ON MY BIRTHDAY PARADE.

CHRISTMAS PARADE.

ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S RECEIVED. THANK YOU.

7.6, REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, RE: TENDER FOR THE SUPPLY OF WINTER SAND.

RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS BE RECEIVED IN THAT STAFF REPORT RDS 2022.02 DATED OCTOBER 5TH, 2022 OF THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC

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MOVER PLEASE.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

MR. DOYLE, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

BIDS FOR THE SUPPLY OF 3000 CUBIC METERS OF WINTER SAND REQUESTED BASED ON THE SPECIFICATIONS SET OUT IN THE TENDER DOCUMENT.

RDS 2022.02.

THE CONTRACT PROVIDES FOR THE SCREENING, TREATING, REMIXING AND STOCKPILING OF THE WINTER SAND AT THE PUBLIC WORKS STORAGE YARD ON HIGHWAY 108.

THE ACQUIRING AND STOCKPILING OF THE WINTER SAND IS CONDUCTED ANNUALLY PRIOR TO THE ONSET OF WINTER OF THE WINTER SEASON.

SO RESPONSES FOR THE TENDER WERE RECEIVED FROM WENDELL FARQUHAR TRUCKING LTD AND KJ BEAMISH CONSTRUCTION LTD.

THE PRICING RECEIVED THROUGH THE TENDER PROCESS WAS AS FOLLOWS: WENDELL FARQUHAR TRUCKING, THEIR UNIT PRICE WAS $37.60 PER CUBIC METER FOR A TOTAL $112,800 PLUS HST.

AND KJ BEAMISH LTD., THEIR UNIT PRICE WAS $38.92 PER CUBIC METER FOR A TOTAL OF $116,760 PLUS TAX.

THERE WAS NO BID IRREGULARITIES NOTED DURING THE TENDER REVIEW PROCESS, SO TENDERS FOR SALT AND SAND FOR THE 2022-2023 SEASON HAVE BEEN SKYROCKETING ACROSS THE PROVINCE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.

IN 2021, THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE PAID $22.50 PER CUBIC METER.

AS OF TODAY, THE PRICE HAS INCREASED TO $37.60 PER CUBIC METER.

THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF THIS YEAR IS THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE SUPPLY OF THIS MATERIAL OR EXPENSE TO THE ROADS MAINTENANCE SERVICE ACCOUNT AND ARE INCLUDED IN THE 2022 OPERATIONS BUDGET.

THE APPROVED 2022 BUDGET INCLUDES $101,523 FOR THE PURCHASE OF WINTER SAND.

YEAR TO DATE, $24,105 HAS BEEN SPENT ON SAND.

THIS EXPENDITURE WILL PUT THE SAND LINE JUST OVER BUDGET BY $37,367.

ANALYSIS OF THE YEAR TO DATE ROADS MAINTENANCE EXPENDITURES AND FORECAST TO YEAR END ARE PROVIDED BELOW.

IF IT NEEDS TO BE NOTED THAT ALTHOUGH THIS COST CENTER IS OVER BUDGET, OTHER COST CENTERS WITHIN THE CITY REMAIN UNDER BUDGET.

SO IN SUMMARY, IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT THE TENDERS SUBMITTED BY WENDELL FARQUHAR TRUCKING IN THE AMOUNT OF $112,800 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES FOR THE SCREENING, TREATING AND STOCKPILING OF WINTER SAND BE ACCEPTED.

THANK YOU, MR. DOYLE.

I SEE A LOT OF GRUMBLING FACES AROUND THE ROOM.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.

IS THERE SOME KIND OF SAND SHORTAGE GOING ON IN THE PROVINCE THAT IT WENT UP $15 PER CUBIC METER IN THE LAST YEAR? BECAUSE FUEL PRICES ARE THE SAME AS WHAT THEY WERE A YEAR AGO.

WELL, THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

I TALKED TO THE CONTRACTORS AND A LOT OF THIS HERE ARE REAL COSTS NOW.

BACK IN THE DAY, THE TRUCKING COMPANIES WERE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR GUYS EMPLOYED AT THIS HERE TIME OF YEAR.

AND SO THE WENDELL FARQUHARS AND THE BEAMISHES AND THAT AND NOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN PURCHASED BY ANOTHER COMPANY, THESE ARE ACTUAL REAL COSTS FOR STRIPPING OF THE SAND, ETC., THE COST OF EQUIPMENT, THE EXCAVATORS, THE TRUCKS AND FUEL PRICES.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IT'S THE PROBLEM WITH A MONOPOLY.

I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO BRING US A REPORT SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

I GET IT. WE HAVE NO CHOICE.

WE HAVE TO GIVE IT TO WHO WE HAVE TO GIVE IT TO.

I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO GIVE US A REPORT AT SOME TIME, MAYBE THROUGH FNA OR SO FORTH.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE, BUT I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO REACH OUT TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND SEE WHAT THEIR BYLAWS ARE STATING OF WHAT THEY'RE PAYING PER CUBIC METER.

BECAUSE I'M SURE THAT NOT EVERYWHERE IS SUFFERING FROM A 50% INCREASE IN THE COST OF SAND THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

THEIR PERMITS HAVEN'T CHANGED AND SO FORTH.

THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE.

I'M SORRY, BUT THEY MAY BE TELLING YOU THAT IT'S NOW REAL COST AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY SELLING US PRODUCT BELOW COST.

WE'RE THE MUNICIPALITY.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SELL US ANYTHING BELOW COST.

THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THEIR STAFF WORKING BASED ON OUR COSTING.

SO I DON'T BUY THAT STORY WHATSOEVER.

SO I'M SORRY. SO I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO BRING US SOMETHING BACK JUST TO SEE WHERE WE ARE THROUGH THE PROVINCE.

HOW BAD OUR PRICING IS OR HOW GOOD OUR PRICING IS UNILATERALLY? DID I SEE A HAND OVER HERE, SANDY? NO. NO. LUKE.

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THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.

I THINK GIVEN THE RISE OF COSTS, I THINK THIS JUST PROVES TO THE MUNICIPALITY THAT WE NEED TO START LOOKING FOR OUR OWN SUPPLY.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OR AROUND THE COMMUNITY THAT CAN HELP US FIND OUR OWN GRAVEL AND SAND SUPPLIES WHERE WE WON'T BE HELD HOSTAGE AT GUNPOINT AND PAY WHATEVER WE'RE FORCED TO PAY.

THE SANDS OUT THERE.

IT'S AVAILABLE.

I'VE TALKED TO SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS.

THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP ACTUALLY DURING BUDGET WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING.

THIS WAS THE QUESTION, DO WE NOT HAVE OUR OWN SANDPIT AREAS? AND, YOU KNOW, COULD WE NOT LOOK AT EMPLOYING OUR OWN STAFF TO DO THE SCREENING AND MOVING OF THE SAND? AND IS THAT SOMETHING, MR. DOYLE, THAT WE CAN BE LOOKING AT IN THE FUTURE? SORRY, MR. GAGNON.

WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER ME.

WELL, IT MIGHT BE COMFORTED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE AS WELL.

SO IT MIGHT BE THE SAME PEOPLE.

SO WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT TAKES US IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES FROM ESPANOLA TO IRONBRIDGE.

SO WE'LL DEFINITELY BE PICKING THEIR BRAINS AS WELL.

I KNOW THE YOU KNOW, MONOPOLY MAY STRETCH THROUGHOUT THAT ENTIRE REGION, BUT WE CAN STILL PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, FERRET OUT OTHER SUPPLIERS AND COMPARE IT AND SEE HOW WE ARE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.

SO WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT.

AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE CAN SAY RIGHT NOW.

BUT SOME OF THE DETAILS HOPEFULLY CAN COME BACK IN THE NEAREST FUTURE SO WE CAN TRY TO BREAK UP SOME OF THESE COST IMPACTS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTION ON THIS ONE? IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLED SINCE MY TIME ON COUNCIL.

OKAY. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.

ALL IN FAVOR.

ANY OPPOSED? THAT'S CARRED. THANK YOU. 7.7, REPORT FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, EAST SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION ELLIOT LAKE TASK FORCE.

RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, DATED OCTOBER 7, 2022, BE RECEIVED, COUNCIL APPROVE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION, AND THAT THE TERMS OF REFERENCE FOR ELLIOT LAKE SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION TASK FORCE BE ADOPTED, AND THAT THE MAYOR BE AUTHORIZED TO SIGN THE PROPOSED MOU.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

SECONDER? SECOND BY COUNCILOR TURNER.

I'LL LET MR. GAGNON SHOOT BEFORE I MAKE MY COMMENTARY.

SURE. AS COUNCIL IS AWARE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING MORE PROACTIVELY WITH SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS.

BUT EVEN GOING FARTHER TO EARLIER IN THIS TERM, IN 2018 AND 19, WE HAD CONVERSATIONS AND WE WERE BEGINNING A STRUCTURE OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION ABOUT BROADLY DEFINED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CONCEPTS, RECONCILIATION, WORKING TOGETHER AND COMMUNICATING MORE EFFECTIVELY.

THAT TOOK A BIT OF A PAUSE IN THE SERPENT RIVER ELECTION IN NOVEMBER OF 2019, BUT HAS RESUMED MORE RECENTLY.

AND TOGETHER, THAT SAME GROUP THAT WAS APPOINTED BY COUNCIL IN 2018 HAVE BEEN CONTINUING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND WE'VE LANDED ON THE MOU AND WE'LL USE OUR GENERALLY HOW A LOT OF THESE RELATIONSHIPS GET SORT OF ENSHRINED.

BUT THERE IS ALSO THE PROPOSED TERMS OF REFERENCE THAT OUTLINES THE INTENT AND THE FORMAT OF THOSE MEETINGS GOING FORWARD WHERE WE CAN CONTINUE TO DISCUSS OPPORTUNITIES, MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL CONCEPTS AND PROJECTS AND THE STILL YET TO BE NAMED, BUT FORMERLY VERY SOON TASK FORCE BETWEEN SERPENT RIVER AND ELLIOT LAKE.

IF COUNCIL IS WILLING TO ADOPT THOSE TERMS OF REFERENCE, WE WOULD CONTINUE TO USE THAT FORMAT GOING FORWARD.

OF COURSE, THE INCOMING COUNCIL WILL DO THE APPOINTMENTS TO THIS TASK FORCE IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY WHEN THAT ROLLS AROUND.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THERE'S NO REASON, EVEN IF IT'S LATE IN THE MANDATE, TO REVIEW THE TASK FORCE TERMS OF REFERENCE IN THE MOU AND APPROVE IT IN PRINCIPLE, AND THEN THE NEXT COUNCIL CAN PICK UP THAT TRAIL HOPEFULLY IN JANUARY AND MOVE ON WITH MORE MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL CONTINUE IN THE FUTURE.

ALL OF THOSE PROJECTS TO DATE HAVE BEEN OR WILL BE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL AND THE COMMUNICATION IS GOING QUITE WELL AND THE MOU AND THE TERMS OF REFERENCE ARE GOING TO THE SERPENT RIVER BASIN COUNCIL ANY DAY NOW AS WELL FOR ADOPTION SO THAT WE CAN ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO START OUT BY SAYING THANK YOU TO THE CHIEF AND COUNCIL AND STAFF AND SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATIONS FOR THEIR ONGOING WORK AND COLLABORATION THAT'S BEEN STRENGTHENING THE RELATIONSHIP AND BONDS BETWEEN OUR COMMUNITIES.

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AND WITH THIS, OUR GOOD RELATIONSHIPS.

ELLIOT LAKE DID MAKE HISTORY IN THE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO, FIRST TIME EVER HAVING TWO REPRESENTATIVES FROM TWO SEPARATE FIRST NATIONS COMMUNITIES SIT IN FRONT OF MINISTERS WITH US AT THE ANNUAL CONFERENCES.

NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, AND I'M VERY, VERY THANKFUL TO OUR PARTNERS AT SERPENT RIVER AND MISSISSAUGA FIRST NATION FOR COMING OUT AND ATTENDING AND MAKING HISTORY WITH US. SO AGAIN, ANOTHER GREAT STEP TOWARDS RECONCILIATION.

AND I'M VERY, VERY PROUD TO HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

THAT BEING SAID, I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.

I KNOW COUNCILOR PEARCE HAD HIS HAND UP.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU. YEAH, I'VE BEEN VERY PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS.

ON OCCASION IT CAN BE A BIT DIFFICULT, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'D REACHED, WHERE WE THOUGHT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE AND THEN LITERALLY TWO DAYS BEFORE THE AGREEMENT WAS GOING TO BE SIGNED FOR A LOT OF POLITICAL REASONS, INTERNAL AT SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION.

THE DEAL WAS SQUASHED.

THANKS TO THE LEADERSHIP OF THE MAYOR AND MR. GAGNON WE WERE ABLE TO GET BACK ON TRACK AND I THINK CHIEF BRENT BISAILLON DESERVES A GREAT DEAL OF CREDIT AS WELL BECAUSE HE HE WORKED VERY, VERY HARD TO STRENGTHEN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SERPENT RIVER AND ELLIOT LAKE.

THIS IS A GROUNDBREAKING MOU.

I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL ACCOMPLISHMENT, SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK BACK ON AND SAY, OKAY, WE DID SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY, VERY WORTHWHILE, NOT JUST FOR US, BUT FOR SERPENT RIVER.

GOING FORWARD, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BASIS FOR A GREAT DEAL OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT NUMEROUS PROJECTS, HOPEFULLY, AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

I WISH THAT I COULD SAY THAT I WAS GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO BE ON THIS, BUT SINCE I'M NOT RUNNING FOR COUNCIL, I WON'T BE ON THIS ANYMORE.

BUT SO I AM PROUD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT TO THIS MOVING POINT.

AND I VERY, VERY STRONGLY RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE OF THE MOU AND THE TERMS OF REFERENCE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I ECHO COUNCILLOR PEARCE'S COMMENTS.

IT'S BEEN A GREAT HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO WORK ON THIS COMMITTEE.

IT'S BEEN A GOAL OF MINE FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS, SO IT'S NICE TO SEE IT FINALLY COMING TO FRUITION.

HOPEFULLY.

I WANT TO READ THE VISION.

THROUGH OUR COMBINED EFFORTS, OUR COMMUNITIES WILL FLOURISH WITH ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL BENEFITS RESULTING FROM JOINT INITIATIVES AND THE COLLABORATION DEVELOPED IN A FORUM THAT CONDUCTS REGULAR AND ORGANIZED DISCUSSIONS OF MATTERS OF MUTUAL RESPECT.

AND WE'LL BE DOING THAT IN MANY WAYS.

AND ONE OF THOSE WAYS IS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES FOLLOWING THE SEVEN GRANDFATHER TEACHINGS OF THE ANISHINAABE.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT LEARNING PROCESS FOR ME, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT LEARNING PROCESS FOR SERPENT RIVER AS WELL TO UNDERSTAND OUR DIFFERENT LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT WORK IN DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT TOGETHER WITH A MUTUAL RESPECT, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM.

THERE'S LOTS OF GREAT OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK JOINTLY WITH.

AND AS SERPENT RIVER HAS ALWAYS SAID THAT ELLIOT LAKE IS PART OF SERPENT RIVER.

YOU KNOW THAT THIS MAKES US, ELLIOT LAKE, PART SERPENT RIVER, PART OF US EVEN MORE.

SO I'M VERY HOPEFUL THAT THIS WILL COME TO FRUITION THIS TIME.

ONE OF THE GREAT BENEFITS MOVING FORWARD IS THAT THEY NOW HAVE A FOUR YEAR MANDATE WITH THEIR COUNCIL SO WE WON'T GET STOPPED AND STARTED AGAIN. SO IT GIVES US A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR GROWTH FOR THE NEXT FOR THREE MORE YEARS.

SO HOPEFULLY THE INCOMING COUNCIL WILL SEE THE BENEFITS OF THIS AND SEE THAT THIS IS THE WAY MOVING FORWARD.

IT WASN'T JUST ONE MINISTER THAT SPOKE OF THIS WHEN WE WERE AT IMO.

EVERY MINISTER SPOKE OF THE PROACTIVE APPROACH THAT WE'VE ALWAYS TAKEN AND THAT WE ARE LEADING THE WAY.

I WENT TO SEVERAL WORKSHOPS THAT SAID DON'T FORGET TO TALK TO THEM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE THEM FOR COFFEE.

AND I WAS LIKE, HECK, WHY DON'T YOU JUST BRING THEM WITH YOU, AS WE DID.

YOU KNOW, AND IT'S MORE THAN JUST HAVING A CONVERSATION.

THERE HAS TO BE ACTION. AND I THINK THE ACTION THAT WE'RE TAKING AT THIS POINT IS THE RIGHT ACTION TO TAKE FOR THE CITIZENS OF ELLIOT LAKE AND THE GREAT PEOPLE OF SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION. SO I ENCOURAGE ALL OF COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THIS AS A POSITIVE MOVE FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY IT'S THE

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COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

IT IS VERY NICE, AS COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SAID, TO SEE THIS FINALLY GET PEN TO PAPER.

WE'VE HAD AGREEMENTS PRIOR, WE'VE HAD COMMITTEES PRIOR.

WE STARTED WITH THE JRC.

WE'VE TRIED TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AGAIN, AS COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SAID.

WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A TWO YEAR COUNCIL, WHEN IT TAKES YOU 16 TO 18 MONTHS TO NEGOTIATE AN AGREEMENT, WHEN YOU CHANGE THE PEOPLE AT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE, IT OFTEN KIND OF STALLED THINGS.

THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE WHEN A NEW COUNCIL COMES IN ON EITHER SIDE.

WE HAVE WORKED.

WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PARTNER WITH SERPENT RIVER.

THIS ISN'T NEW.

WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PARTNER WITH SERPENT RIVER, FIRST NATIONS AND MISSISSAUGA FIRST NATIONS AS WELL.

WE'VE EVEN GONE AS FAR AS [INAUDIBLE] FIRST NATIONS.

WE'VE ALWAYS PARTNERED WITH THEM.

THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN AT OUR TABLE.

WE'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO GO TO THEIRS.

THE BEST PART ABOUT THIS IS WE NOW HAVE THE TERMS OF REFERENCE THAT THE PROVINCE CAN PUT FOR OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT CAN ACTUALLY JUST MOVE FORWARD.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER OVER THE DECADES, THIS MUNICIPALITY HAS DONE VERY MANY PRECEDENTS SETTING THINGS WITH OUR FIRST NATION PARTNERS.

YOUR WORSHIP YOU'RE CORRECT. IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT TWO FIRST NATIONS HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE GOVERNMENT WITH OUR MUNICIPALITY, BUT WE HAVE HAD FIRST NATIONS MEMBERS PRESENT AT OTHER DELEGATIONS AS WELL TO PROVE TO THE PROVINCE.

AND THE PROVINCE DOES USE US AS A MODEL OR USED TO USE US AS A MODEL.

AND HOPEFULLY THEY TAKE THIS AND USE IT AS A MODEL AGAIN OF HOW WHILE YOU CAN WORK WITH YOUR PARTNERS, IT'S GREAT NEWS.

THERE'S ONLY ONE QUESTION, AND I'M NOT GOING TO ASK FOR THIS MOU TO BE STALLED OR CHANGED OR ANYTHING.

BUT WHEN THE NEW COUNCIL MEETS AND THEY PUT THE MEMBERSHIP TOGETHER, IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE IF WE COULD GET THIS SOMEHOW TO BE STREAMED SIMILAR TO OUR CURRENT STANDING COMMITTEE, SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE HOW WELL WE CAN WORK TOGETHER WITH OUR PARTNERS.

SO I WOULD LOVE, INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING THAT THERE'S WHICH THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE IT'S MANDATORY THAT THERE'S A MONTHLY REPORT TO COUNCIL.

EVERY TIME THERE'S A MEETING, THERE'S A REPORT TO COME TO THE COUNCILS ON BOTH SIDES.

BUT IF THERE WAS THE POSSIBILITY TO ACTUALLY STREAM IT, EITHER TAPE IT AND STREAM IT SO THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN SEE HOW WELL WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES.

COUNCILLOR CYR.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

I GIVE COMPLETE CREDIT TO THIS THIS COUNCIL AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF AND STAFF, I MEAN STAFF HAVE PUT IN A LOT OF EFFORT AND A LOT OF WORK INTO THIS.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY RECOGNIZE AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR IT.

A LOT OF COUNCILS OVER THE YEARS HAVE TRIED TO GET TO THIS POINT AND IT'S BEEN A DIFFICULT ROAD.

BUT WE FINALLY DID IT.

AND I THINK IT'S IT'S PROOF THAT WE'RE GOING TO WORK AND BUILD THIS COMMUNITY AND THIS WHOLE AREA TOGETHER.

SO IT'S THIS IS A GREAT MOMENT GOING FORWARD.

IT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE FOR THE WHOLE PROVINCE AND EVEN FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY.

SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN THIS.

THANK YOU. COUNCILOR TURNER.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. WELL, CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYBODY, SERPENT RIVER AND ELLIOT LAKE.

IT IS MOMENTOUS.

THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING IS ONLY TWO PAGES LONG. BUT IT'S WORTH YEARS WORTH OF WORK AND YEARS IN THE FUTURE THAT WE'LL SEE BENEFITS FROM.

OUR TWO COMMUNITIES ARE INTERTWINED AND INTERDEPENDENT.

WE HAVE THE GROCERY STORES AND THE HOSPITALS AND MANY OF THE OTHER SERVICES USED BY PEOPLE IN SERPENT RIVER.

AND THE MORE WE COMMUNICATE, THE MORE WE MAINTAIN THE CONSTANT CONTACT LIKE THIS COMMITTEE IS CREATED.

THE MORE WE UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES THAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DEALING WITH.

AND PERHAPS WE HAVE SOME SOLUTIONS THAT WE COULD OFFER.

IN TURN, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO OFFER SOME SOLUTIONS TO SOME OF OUR HEADACHES.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUED COOPERATION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES.

AND AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEES, CHIEF BISAILLON, JACK TRUDEAU, THE REST, THANKS SO MUCH.

COUNCILLOR MANN. JUST TO ADD, OBVIOUSLY, ALL THE COMMENTS ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

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WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR PARTNERS.

AND I JUST WANT TO AGAIN ECHO THE COMMENTS OF MY FELLOW COUNCILLORS, I THANK THOSE IN LEADERSHIP WITH THIS FROM OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THEIRS TO ENSURE THAT THIS IS COMPLETED.

AND WE ARE ABLE TO HAVE NOW OBVIOUSLY A MECHANISM TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL.

I'M GOING TO GIVE A BIT OF KUDOS TO COUNCILLOR FINAMORE BECAUSE ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS WHEN WE'RE MEETING WITH OUR FIRST NATIONS NEIGHBORS AS BEFORE HAVING ANY DISCUSSIONS IS BREAKING BREAD AND PRAYER.

AND COUNCILLOR FINAMORE HAS MADE DINNER FOR US MORE THAN ONCE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT HER WONDERFUL CINNAMON ROLLS.

SO I HAD TO POINT THAT OUT.

BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD, WE TALK ABOUT THE PAST AND, YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT THE SERPENT RIVER FAMILIES WERE FROM HERE AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE STEPS THAT COUNCIL HAS TAKEN OVER THE YEARS, INCLUDING THE RESPECT OF RAISING THE FLAG AT OUR MINERS MEMORIAL.

THE MANY DIFFERENT LEARNING SESSIONS WE'VE HAD IN THAT RESPECT, SPONSORING POWWOWS, OUR COMMUNITY CONNECTIONS, AND RIGHT UP TO RECENTLY AND RETURNING A PIECE OF LAND THAT WAS MORE VALUABLE TO THEM THAN ANY DOLLAR SIGN COULD HAVE BEEN PUT ON IT.

I THINK COUNCILLOR TRUDEAU SAID THIS ISN'T RECONCILIATION, IT'S RECONCILIATION, AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.

SO WE TALK ABOUT THE GENERATIONS OF THE PAST, AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS IS LOOKING AT THE NEXT SEVEN GENERATIONS TO COME AND THE FOOTPRINTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE AS WE'RE WALKING SIDE BY SIDE.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR THE COMMENTS AND I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

ROLL CALL. ROLL CALL.

I'M IN FAVOR. THAT'S UNANIMOUS.

THANK YOU. 7.8 REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AND TREASURY REVIEW OF LEGAL AND TRADE COMMISSIONER FEES.

RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE, TREASURER, REVIEW OF LEGAL INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER FEES BE RECEIVED AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO PROVIDE COUNSEL WITH REVIEW OF LEGAL INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER FEES ANNUALLY, AND THAT THIS REPORT BE PUBLISHED TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE ON THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER PAGE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

MS. SONNENBURG, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

PER THE LAST MEETING OF COUNCIL.

THIS REPORT WAS PREPARED.

SECTION 222.3 OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT ENABLES A MUNICIPALITY TO APPOINT AN INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER TO ADDRESS THE APPLICATION OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND OR MEMBERS OF LOCAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.

HERE AT THE CITY WE'VE HAD A HISTORY OF INTEGRITY COMMISSIONERS, AS MENTIONED EARLIER DURING THE PUBLIC STATEMENT AND QUESTION PERIOD.

SINCE 2017, WE HAVE HAD INTEGRITY COMMISSIONERS.

THE FIRST ONE FROM [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH FEBRUARY OF 19 WAS ROBERT [INAUDIBLE].

THAT POSITION WAS THEN SWITCHED FROM FEBRUARY OF 19 TO MAY 19 FOR A COMPANY CALLED [INAUDIBLE] EXPERTISE FOR MUNICIPALITIES.

FROM MAY 2019 TO AUGUST 2020.

CUNNINGHAM SWAN WITH OUR [INAUDIBLE] REPRESENTATIVE BEING A GENTLEMAN NAMED TONY FLEMING.

AND SINCE FROM AUGUST 2020 THROUGH TO PRESENT, WE RETURNED BACK TO THE IC OF ROBERT [INAUDIBLE].

THE PURPOSE OF THIS LITTLE COMPONENT, AND I HOPE THAT THIS ANSWERS A FEW OF THE CONCERNS FROM READERS.

FOR EXAMPLE, [INAUDIBLE] HAS NOT ONLY DONE WORK FOR US AT THE CITY FOR IC WORK, THEY'VE ALSO DONE CONSULTING.

SO THERE WAS A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THE CITY WAS WITHOUT A TREASURER.

THEY WE ENGAGED WITH [INAUDIBLE] FOR THAT CONSULTING AS WELL.

THIS WILL BECOME IMPORTANT AS WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS.

CUNNINGHAM SWAN IS A LARGE FIRM.

YES, WE DID USE THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER, TONY FLEMING, BUT WE'VE ALSO USED CUNNINGHAM SWAN FOR GENERAL LEGAL ADVICE, LITIGATION AND HR RELATED ACTIVITIES. ROBERT [INAUDIBLE] EXCLUSIVELY HAS BEEN USED FOR INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER ACTIVITIES.

THIS WILL BECOME IMPORTANT AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT SECTION, WHICH IS DETAILS THE LEGAL FIRMS USED BY THE CITY.

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GENERAL LEGAL, OTHER CONSULTING, PROPERTY SALES AND DISPOSITIONS, HR RELATED ACTIVITIES AND BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE ONTARIO FIRE CODE.

SO THESE ARE ALL LEGAL FIRMS THAT WE WOULD USE ON THE REGULAR DURING THE REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS AND ALSO FOR IC CONSULTATION.

THEY ARE SUMMARIZED IN THAT SECTION.

SO THIS IS WHERE THERE'S SOME OVERLAP.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, IT BECOMES VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE USING ALL OF THESE FIRMS FOR MULTIPLE ACTIVITIES.

SO THERE'S A BIT OF FORENSICS THAT GOES BEHIND THE REPORT.

AND SO I'D LIKE TO WALK YOU THROUGH THAT NEXT.

SO BY FIRM, FROM THE YEARS 2022 TO 2018, THE FIRMS, INCLUDING THE ICS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE HISTORY, ARE DISPLAYED HERE. PLEASE NOTE THAT THESE AMOUNTS DETAILED ARE ON THE FACE OF THE INVOICE.

AS YOU KNOW, THE CITY DOES RECLAIM HST, AND TO THAT EXTENT HST HAS BEEN RECLAIMED WHERE APPLICABLE THROUGH THE RULES OF HST.

IT IS NOT A SIMPLE BACKWARDS MATH THING TO DO BECAUSE HST IS NOT APPLICABLE ON ALL ASPECTS OF LEGAL.

WE CAN SEE THROUGH THAT FIRST CHART THAT THE TOTAL OF ALL FIRMS FROM 2018 TO 2022 TO CURRENT IS $1.45 MILLION.

ALL LEGAL ACTIVITY.

IF WE MOVE TO THE NEXT CHART, THAT IS EXPENSES BY ACTIVITY.

WE JUST I'VE TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE FILES AND INVOICES THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE ACCOUNTS PAYABLE DEPARTMENT AND IN LEGAL FOLDERS TO REDISTRIBUTE THE $1.45 MILLION.

IT'S THE SAME MONEY, BUT IT'S HOW WAS IT SPENT? WAS IT SPENT BY INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER AND COUNCIL RELATIONS, GENERAL, LEGAL AND OTHER CONSULTING, PROPERTY SALES DISPOSITIONS OR BY AIR AND FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THOSE ARE THE FOUR MAIN THEMES THAT YOU WILL SEE THROUGHOUT THOSE PARTICULAR FIRMS AND AGENCIES.

WE TAKE THIS ONE STEP FURTHER AND WE HAVE TRACKED THESE COSTS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE IC.

PROCESS IN 2017 AND NAMELY SO THAT WE HAVE SOME POWER, IF YOU WILL, WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THESE COSTS WITH MINISTRY OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS AND HOUSING AND AT [INAUDIBLE] TABLES AS APPROPRIATE, LOBBYING FOR CHANGE OR REDISTRIBUTION OF CURRENT RULES AND REGULATIONS. SO WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE NEXT SECTION.

THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF BILLS RELATED TO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST CASE INVOLVING COUNCILLOR PATRIE, COUNCILLOR PEARCE, AND THEN THERE ARE ALSO INVESTIGATIONS OF THE CODE OF CONDUCT, CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

IC REPORTS AND COUNCIL RELATIONS.

THESE BOTTOM TWO. SO TO DETERMINE THE AMOUNT RELATED DIRECTLY TO TWO SITTING COUNCILLORS.

THESE ARE REVIEWED AND ARE BASED SOLELY ON FILE NUMBERS AS FOUND WITHIN THE DOCUMENTATION IN THE BACKGROUND.

EVERYONE'S FILE HAS A SPECIFIC NUMBER.

IT IS EASILY IDENTIFIABLE.

IF IT WAS NOT EASILY IDENTIFIABLE, IT HAS BEEN.

THOSE EXPENSES HAVE BEEN EITHER CLASSIFIED AS INVESTIGATIONS OF CODE OF CONDUCT, CONFLICT OF INTEREST, IC REPORTS AND COUNCIL RELATIONS, ONE OF THOSE TWO OTHER CATEGORIES. THESE BOTTOM TWO CATEGORIES THAT TOTAL $77,00 AND $157,000 RESPECTIVELY.

ARE ANY CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAD ON A REGULAR BASIS, ANY INVESTIGATIONS THAT DON'T GO ANYWHERE, ANY INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE AND REPORTS OR COMPLAINTS OR EVEN WHEN CURRENT SITTING COUNCILLORS CALL AND OBTAIN ADVICE.

ANY PIECES OF ADVICE? IF A COUNSELOR WERE TO CALL AND ASK FOR ADVICE, IT FALLS INTO A GENERAL FILE CALLED ESSENTIALLY MARKING IT AS A GENERAL ACTIVITY AND NOT SPECIFIC TO A CASE THAT IS ACTIVE.

SO THAT'S HOW THOSE COSTS ARE DETERMINED.

SO IF WE GO BACK TO THE EXPENSES BY ACTIVITY ON PAGE 84 AT THE TOP, WE SEE THAT INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER AND COUNCIL RELATIONS OVER THE COURSE FROM 18 TO CURRENT 2022 TOTALED $858,644.

WHEN WE BREAK OUT THAT $858,644 BY TWO ACTIVE CASES THAT WE ARE ALL AWARE OF, AS WELL AS GENERAL ACTIVITIES AND REGULAR COURSE OF BUSINESS ACTIVITIES, THIS IS HOW WE BREAK OUT THAT $858,000.

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LEGAL IS OVER BUDGET.

IT'S A VERY COMMON THEME.

IF YOU'VE SAT THROUGH ANY OF THE [INAUDIBLE].

AND THIS NEXT SECTION, PLEASE NOTE THAT HST HAS BEEN RECOVERED IN THESE NUMBERS.

SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MATCH THE PREVIOUS NUMBERS.

IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE MOST EASILY PRESENTED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

AND I'M SORRY IF IT'S CONFUSING HERE WE SEE THAT YEAR OVER YEAR WE HAVE BEEN OVERBUDGET ON LEGAL.

HOWEVER, AT THIS EXACT MOMENT IN TIME, I BELIEVE THE COMMENT WAS MADE EARLIER.

WE ARE UNDER BUDGET ON LEGAL IN 2021.

OR 20 2022.

THANK YOU. SORRY 2022.

WE'RE UNDER BUDGET, SO TO THAT EXTENT TO FOLLOW RECOMMENDATIONS MADE AT THE LAST MEETING.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THIS DOCUMENT BE UPDATED ANNUALLY AND FORM PART OF OUR CITY WEBSITE TO REPORT ON INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER COSTS AND LEGAL ACTIVITY AND THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU, MS. SONNENBURG.

I THINK WHAT CAUSED A LITTLE CONFUSION BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE SAID, YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL IC COST WAS $1.45, WHICH IT IS, AND THAT'S THE OVERALL LEGAL FOR EVERYTHING, LEGAL PROPERTY SALES, HUMAN RESOURCE, GENERAL INQUIRIES.

SO THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER COSTS IS THE $858.

AND AS I MENTIONED TO MR. NICHOLS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S TWO SEPARATE LINES THAT ARE CONFLICTS AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR INVESTIGATIONS AND REPORTS ARE TWO OTHER LINES WHICH ARE VERY, VERY DIFFERENT AREAS, BUT THEY ALL ADD UP TO THE $858.

THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR CYR.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP FOR YOU.

NOW, THIS IS THE OTHER ITEM THAT ELLIOT LAKE HAS BECOME A ROLE MODEL AND ALL OF US SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF IT.

AND I HOPE THAT FUTURE COUNCILS AND THE CITIZENS BECOME MORE AWARE OF THE INCREDIBLE COST THAT WEAPONIZING AN IC CAN HAVE ON A COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF OUR ROADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN THAT AREN'T BEING FINANCED.

THIS IS A LOT OF THIS IS HALF OUR POOL.

YOU KNOW, I THINK, YES, THE IC NEEDS TO BE USED WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE USED, BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE A POLITICAL RETALIATION TOOL.

AND I HOPE THAT IN THE FUTURE THIS IS MITIGATED SUBSTANTIALLY.

THE ONE AMENDMENT I'D LIKE TO SEE TO IT FOR FUTURE FOR FUTURE ANNUAL REPORTS WOULD BE JUST A GROSS AMOUNT OF COMPLAINTS, JUST SO THAT YEAR OVER YEAR WE COULD HAVE.

IF IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE.

BUT I'M JUST I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW DID WE HAVE 500 COMPLAINTS THIS YEAR OR DID WE HAVE 20? AND IT'LL HELP US YEAR OVER YEAR TO SEE.

FIRST OF ALL, JUST HOW MANY COMPLAINTS ARE FILED.

AND I JUST TO ME, IT'S A NUMBER I'D LIKE TO SEE, AND THAT'S UP TO THE FUTURE COUNCIL TO DETERMINE IT.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD APPRECIATE KNOWING YOUR YEAR OVER YEAR AS WELL.

BUT IN THE END, I DO HOPE THAT THE CITIZENS AND FUTURE COUNCILS.

TAKE THIS REPORT SERIOUSLY AND THAT THIS KIND OF WEAPONIZING THE IC NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

AND NOT ONLY FOR ELLIOT LAKE, BUT I HOPE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE WATCHING THIS AND SEEING THIS AND LEARN FROM OUR EXAMPLE. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. YEAH.

THANK YOU. YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

JUST TO ANSWER SOMETHING THAT COUNCILLOR CYR HAS BROUGHT UP, OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE LOOKING AT US, AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT US VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY.

AND IN FACT, I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY A GROUP OF THEM WHO HAVE A PARTICULAR PROBLEM WITH [INAUDIBLE] FOR A LOT OF REASONS.

ALMOST EVERY LAWYER I'VE TALKED TO, INCLUDING CURRENT INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER, BELIEVES THAT NEITHER COUNCILLOR PATRIE NOR I SHOULD HAVE GONE IN FRONT OF A JUDGE.

SIMPLE AS THAT. BUT [INAUDIBLE] HAS MADE AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY, AND THEY HAVE A VERY STRANGE RELATIONSHIP WITH [INAUDIBLE] LAW.

THE DIRECTOR OF [INAUDIBLE] IS THE WIFE OF A PARTNER IN [INAUDIBLE] LAW.

THEY HAVE RUN RAMPANT.

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THEY'VE BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL AT GETTING MONEY FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY'VE DAMN NEAR BANKRUPTED A COUPLE OF SMALL COMMUNITIES.

I'M NOT PROUD THAT MY NAME IS SITTING UP THERE AND IT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY.

I'M NOT PROUD THAT WHEN YOU GO TO A COURSE ON THE MUNICIPAL ACT, THE VERY FIRST CASE THAT THEY TALK ABOUT IS PEARCE VERSUS ELLIOT LAKE.

THE FACT THAT I'M A WHAT YOU CALL IT A TRENDSETTER, I GUESS IT'S NOT REALLY THE WAY I WANT IT TO BE.

JUST TO CORRECT MS. SONNENBURG, HOWEVER.

WE MAY BE UNDER BUDGET FOR 2022, BUT I DOUBT IF WE WILL BE FOR 2023.

YOU CAN SEE THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST COUNCILLOR PEARCE THERE'S ALREADY $8,000 SOME DOLLARS FOR 2022.

THAT IS BECAUSE I'M SUING THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE TO GET MONEY THAT IS OWED TO ME.

I GOT RESPONSE FROM YOUR LAWYERS, THEREFORE THAT COST YOU MONEY.

BY THE WAY, I JUST GOT THE RESPONSE FROM [INAUDIBLE] TODAY.

IT'S A JOKE. IT'S AN ABSOLUTE JOKE.

THEIR POINT OF VIEW IS, WELL, WE JUST DID WHAT WE WERE TOLD.

CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE NEVER TOLD THEM TO APPEAL MY CASE, THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND THIS COUNCIL TOLD THEM NOT TO APPEAL MY CASE, BUT THEY WENT AHEAD ANYWAY.

WHICH COSTS THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE A HECK OF A LOT MORE MONEY.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE'S CASE HASN'T BEEN DECIDED YET.

AND I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT IF HE LOSES THE CASE THAT HE APPEAL, AND I'M SURE HE WILL.

BECAUSE YOU BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR THAT IF HE WINS, [INAUDIBLE] WILL APPEAL.

BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

AND IT'S GOING TO COST THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE A HECK OF A LOT MORE MONEY.

THE GOVERNMENT OF ONTARIO HAS IMPOSED THIS REGIME UPON US.

IT IS A JOKE.

THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO PUT IT.

IT'S A TOTAL JOKE.

THINGS THAT WERE DONE FIVE YEARS AGO, SIX YEARS AGO CANNOT BE DONE NOW.

THEY CAN BE DONE IF YOU'RE SITTING MEMBER OF PROVINCIAL PARLIAMENT, BUT NOT IF YOU'RE A SITTING MEMBER OF A COUNCIL.

I CAN SURE AS HECK BE DONE IF YOU'RE A SITTING MEMBER OF THE FEDERAL PARLIAMENT.

BUT NOT IF YOU'RE A SITTING COUNCILLOR.

I ASK THAT THIS BE BROUGHT FORWARD BECAUSE I WANT THE PEOPLE OF ELLIOT LAKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW SERIOUS THIS IS.

YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ELECTION.

THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ELECT.

THINK ABOUT THE KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT GET APPOINTED BY THE PEOPLE THAT YOU ELECT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

GET INVOLVED.

IF YOU DON'T GET INVOLVED, THIS KIND OF NONSENSE HAPPENS.

SO I THANK MS. SONNENBURG FOR THE VERY, VERY GOOD REPORT.

WELL DONE. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU [INAUDIBLE]. COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. I GUESS FIRST THANK YOU MS. SONNENBURG FOR THE REPORT.

OBVIOUSLY, IT WAS VERY DETAILED, OBVIOUSLY [INAUDIBLE] AND I AM NOT SURPRISED BY THE NUMBER.

AND I'M NOT EVEN THAT OPTIMISTIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO REMAIN AT A SURPLUS IN THAT LINE ITEM FOR THIS YEAR.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S THAT'S ONE LEGAL BILL AWAY FROM FROM A DEFICIT, UNFORTUNATELY SO.

I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION IS THAT WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD IT AS A COUNCIL.

YES, IT'S LATE IN THE TERM, BUT I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT TO DO SO.

AND WE ALL AGREED THAT THIS WOULD COME FORWARD.

THIS COMMUNITY WAS AN EARLY ADOPTER OF THIS PROCESS.

WE TRIED TO BE PROACTIVE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GOING TO DO US WHAT THE PROMISE WANTED US TO DO, AND WE WERE GOING TO DO IT EARLY.

AND ACTUALLY EVEN PRIOR TO 2017, WE ACTUALLY HAD A LOCAL SOLICITOR THAT WAS DOING SIMILAR WORK FOR THE MUNICIPALITY THAT ISN'T EVEN ON THIS LIST. SO OVERALL IT'S PROBABLY A BIT MORE.

BUT AGAIN, IT WASN'T USED TO THIS EXTENT.

OBVIOUSLY BEING AN EARLY ADOPTER, I HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS SIMILAR TO COUNCILOR PEARCE'S WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ASKING INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROCESS. AND YES, PEOPLE ARE WATCHING.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ANY MUNICIPALITY SHOULD BE GRADED ON.

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IT WAS A TOOL THAT THE PROVINCE PROVIDED MUNICIPALITIES THAT WAS NOT WITH LIMITED DIRECTION, LIMITED CONSISTENCY, WHICH CREATED A HUGE AMOUNT OF PROBLEMS PROVINCIALLY.

THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE.

IT IS IN SOME RESPECTS COMFORTING TO SEE THAT COUNCILLOR COUNCIL RELATIONS IS 18% OF THIS.

SO PEOPLE ARE CALLING THE IC AND ASKING THE APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS WHEN REQUIRED ON TOPIC.

SO AGAIN, THAT PART OF THE PROCESS WORKS.

IT'S THE BAD PART OF IT AND THE TOP NUMBERS ARE OBVIOUSLY QUITE A BIT HIGHER.

AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO SPECIFICS OF THOSE.

AS I SAID THE LAST MEETING, I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF PREVIOUS, YOU KNOW, INTEGRITY COMMISSIONERS.

WE'VE CHANGED A COUPLE OF TIMES.

WE STARTED WITH ONE. WE WENT AWAY TWICE.

WE CAME BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED.

IS THIS WHERE WE WILL REMAIN? THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE.

BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE IMPORTANT PART IS WE ALL STOOD AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS INFORMATION, INFORMATION OUT.

AND WE HAVE AND I JUST WANT TO THANK THE BALANCE OF COUNCIL FOR THAT.

SO THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE.

WHETHER I CAN CLARIFY OR SOMETHING.

I DIDN'T LIE.

CONVERSATION DID HAPPEN.

IT'S ACTUALLY AUDIO RECORDED.

SO MY INTEGRITY IS MY INTEGRITY.

I DIDN'T LIE TO ANYBODY ABOUT IT WHEN I DID DISCUSS THAT HAPPENING.

THE ISSUE OF.

IT'S VERY SAD THAT ANY OF THIS EVEN TRANSPIRED.

IT'S IN THE PAST. IN THE PAST.

YES. I DON'T HAVE A RULING.

MY LAWYERS HAVE EXPLAINED TO ME THE REASON I DON'T HAVE A RULING IS BECAUSE WE HAVE ASKED SOME VERY HARD PRECEDENT SETTING QUESTIONS.

ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] AND THE PROCESS THAT THEY FOLLOWED BECAUSE.

THEY ADMITTED THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING SO.

BUT. AND SO NOW YOU HAVE A JUDGE THAT HAS TO MAKE PRECEDENT SETTING RULINGS.

I AS WELL AS YOU AND ALL OF OUR OTHER INTEGRITY COMMISSIONERS.

ALL THE WAY BACK TO BEFORE 2017.

YES, I HAVE CONSTANTLY CONTACTED OUR INTEGRITY COMMISSIONERS AND OUR TRAINERS FOR CLARIFICATION OF RULES, PROCESSES, CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO MAKE SURE THAT I DO NOT DO ANYTHING THAT IS CONTRARY TO ANY LAWS.

AND I'VE NEVER HAD ANOTHER.

I HAVE RULINGS FROM OTHER INTEGRITY COMMISSIONERS THAT SAY I DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT WITH 151, I DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THE SKI HILL.

IT DOESN'T MATTER ABOUT ANY OF IT.

IT'S FOR THE GREATER GOOD. AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS.

THAT THE IMPORTANT THING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE FROM IT AS A COUNCIL AND HOPEFULLY AS A MUNICIPALITY IS THAT WE HOPE THE COUNCIL STAYS PROFESSIONAL.

WE KEEP THE PUBLIC INFORMED AS WE GO.

I TOTALLY AGREE WE SHOULD BE KEEPING THESE REPORTS OUT.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, IN PART OF THOSE NUMBERS IS COUNCIL TRAINING AND COUNCIL'S QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO THINGS CORRECTLY.

AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO TALK TO OUR INTEGRITY COMMISSIONERS AND MAYBE GIVE HAVE THEM GIVE US A BREAKDOWN SO THAT YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE OF YOUR COUNCILORS ARE ACTUALLY TRYING TO DO THINGS CORRECTLY.

I THINK I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW IF WE HAVE AN INFORMED PUBLIC, THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR BIGGEST ASSET IF THE PUBLIC KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.

BUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH ALL OF THIS IS THE WAY THAT THE PROVINCE HAS RAILROADED US AND DOWNLOADED THIS TO THE MUNICIPALITY TO EVEN OPEN THE DOORS FOR THESE ALLEGATIONS TO BE ABLE TO COME FORWARD AND HAVE SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE COST A MUNICIPALITY LIKE OURS THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION TO A MILLION DOLLARS.

IT'S NOT DONE. HE'S CORRECT.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE IS CORRECT.

SO I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THE NEXT COUNCIL, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TIME, BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE THIS REPORT OUT IN THE PUBLIC, I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO HAVE THE NEXT PUBLIC DEAL WITH THIS AS WELL.

AND I THINK IT'S ADAMANTLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ACTUALLY LOBBY THE GOVERNMENT, SIMILAR TO WHAT OUR TREASURER HAS SAID AND [INAUDIBLE] AND GET THIS SYSTEM FIXED BECAUSE IT IS BROKEN.

THERE ARE MUNICIPALITIES, WE'RE LUCKY THAT WE ACTUALLY DIDN'T GO BANKRUPT BECAUSE THERE ARE MUNICIPALITIES THAT A MILLION DOLLARS WOULD PUT THEM UNDER.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO BE, AGAIN, PRECEDENT SETTING CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND BE THE ONES THAT GET THE PROVINCE TO FIX THE

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AND I WOULD LIKE OUR COUNCIL AND OUR STAFF TO BE MOVING FORWARD TO LOBBY [INAUDIBLE] TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

AND WE HAVE BEEN LOBBYING THE MINISTRY AND ACTUALLY SPOKEN WITH THEM TWICE.

AND IT NEEDS TO CONTINUE GOING AND GOING AND GOING UNTIL IT'S RECTIFIED.

I SEE A HAND OVER ON THIS SIDE, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT A MADE IN ELLIOT LAKE PROBLEM.

GOING TO [INAUDIBLE] IT WAS VERY CLEAR THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT RUNNING FOR COUNCIL BECAUSE OF IT.

YOU'RE ONLY SEEING THE FIGURES THAT THE MUNICIPALITY PAID.

YOU DIDN'T SEE THE FIGURES THAT MY COLLEAGUES HAVE PAID.

A FRIEND OF MINE WHO'S A COUNCILOR, ANOTHER COMMUNITY HAS BEEN FINED ALMOST $50,000 OUT OF HIS POCKET BY THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER.

EVERY TIME HE OPENS HIS MOUTH.

HE DOESN'T LIKE WHAT HE SAYS.

HE FINES THEM.

SO IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS THAT COUNCILS ARE BUYING INTO WHAT THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER IS SAYING AND FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT JUST DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

IN ORDER FOR THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER TO FINE THESE PEOPLE, COUNCIL HAS TO AGREE THAT THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S WHAT THE PENALTY IS.

AND I WAS TALKING TO SOMEONE RUNNING FOR A MAYORAL SEAT IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO, AND THREE OF THE COUNCILORS THAT WERE RUNNING FOR COUNCIL DROPPED OUT AFTER THE BALLOTS WERE MADE.

SO THERE'S A LIKELIHOOD THAT IT'S GOING TO COST THEM A BY ELECTION IF ONE OF THOSE THREE GET ELECTED BECAUSE THEIR NAME IS STILL ON THE BALLOT AND PEOPLE AREN'T UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY'VE WITHDRAWN AND WHY THEY'VE WITHDRAWN.

SO THIS ISN'T JUST A PROBLEM IN ELLIOT LAKE.

THIS IS A PROBLEM IT'S IN THE WHOLE PROVINCE OF ONTARIO.

THERE'S SEATS THAT WON'T BE FILLED BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T RUNNING BECAUSE OF THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER AND SOCIAL MEDIA.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY MADE IT VERY CLEAR AT [INAUDIBLE] THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T VOLUNTEERING TO STEP UP TO DO THIS JOB OUT OF FEAR OF REPRISAL THROUGH HATE MESSAGES AND THROUGH THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER.

AND THAT'S REALLY A SAD STATE OF FEAR BECAUSE THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD PEOPLE OUT IN THE PROVINCE THAT COULD BE DOING THIS JOB AND WANT TO DO THIS JOB AND ARE AFRAID TO DO THE JOB. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. WELL, THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME INTERESTING NUMBERS HERE.

BUT THE MOST INTERESTING IS THE FACT THAT 73% OF OUR EXPENSE IS ON TWO CASES OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHERE WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE AN INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER RUNNING FREE AND RACKING UP BILLS AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO A DARN THING ABOUT IT.

AND THAT'S THE DIFFICULT POSITION THAT ANY COMMUNITY IS IN.

WITH THE LAW THE WAY IT STANDS.

TWO CASES.

$730,000 OR $630,000.

THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS.

AND THAT'S NOT OVER YET.

SO PERSONALLY, I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE [INAUDIBLE] TO COURT AND GO FOR EVERY PENNY WE CAN GET.

THEY'RE JUST ON A SIDE.

AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE.

BUT COUNCILLOR PATRIE, YOU BROUGHT UP THE COMMENTS MADE BY MR. YOUNG. AND YOU SAID THAT THEY'RE TRUE, BUT YOU LEFT IT THERE.

AND WHAT THAT DID WAS THAT LEAVES A SHADOW CAST ON THE REST OF THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AS TO HAVING PARTICIPATED IN SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY UNPARLIAMENTARY AND CERTAINLY NOT ANYTHING THAT I WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH.

SO DO WE EXAMINE THIS ISSUE RIGHT NOW AND.

GET DOWN TO WHO SAID WHAT AND BRING THIS TO A HALT.

WAS THIS SOMETHING DONE RECENTLY COUNCILLOR PATRIE? WAS DONE SHORTLY AFTER THE CHARGES WERE BROUGHT FORWARD.

I'D RATHER TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.

THAT'S THE REASON THAT I DIDN'T PRODUCE THE TAPE WHEN IT WAS MADE.

AND IT WAS MADE MORE THAN ONCE.

I DON'T. I WOULD RATHER JUST STAY PROFESSIONAL.

IT'S DONE.

IF THE TRANSGRESSIONS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO ME ARE TRUE, THE PEOPLE KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

AND I DON'T WANT I WANT TO BE THE PROFESSIONAL AT THE TABLE AND I DON'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

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I COULD HAVE HAD PEOPLE CRIMINALLY CHARGED BASED ON WHAT WAS TOLD TO ME, IF IT WAS ALL TRUE AND FACTUAL.

AT LEAST I COULD HAVE HAD AN INVESTIGATION DONE CRIMINALLY AND I DIDN'T DO IT.

I WANT TO STAY. I WOULD RATHER KEEP ELLIOT LAKE AS A CLEAN AND PROFESSIONAL COMMUNITY THAN START WITH MUD SLINGING.

AND I JUST LEAVE IT ALONE.

LET'S TAKE THE HIGH ROAD.

THE DIFFICULTY I HAVE WITH IT IS IT'S WE'RE STILL LEFT WITH A SHADOW CAST ON APPARENTLY, FOUR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE TAPES, YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE TAPES.

I'LL GLADLY PLAY THEM FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO HEAR THEM.

MR. COUNCILLOR, THAT'S.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO AIR OUR DIRTY LAUNDRY IN THE PUBLIC.

WELL, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT EITHER.

I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT.

BUT IT'D BE HAPPY TO FROG MARCH WHOEVER PARTICIPATED IN THIS STREET INTO THE COP SHOP.

IT'S NOT CERTAINLY NOT SOMETHING BECOMING ANY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I CHOSE NOT TO DO IT.

SO IF ANYBODY WANTS [INAUDIBLE].

YOUR CASE IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

OKAY. A LITTLE OFF TOPIC, BUT.

ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THIS REPORT? OKAY, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN ON THE RECOMMENDATION.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. EIGHT PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS 8.1 REPORT FROM THE RECREATION AND CULTURE STANDING COMMITTEE, A FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR PUBLIC ART IN ELLIOT LAKE,

[8. PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS]

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. AT THE OCTOBER 3RD, 2022 RECREATION AND CULTURE COMMITTEE MEETING, THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE REPORT OF THE ARTS AND CULTURE WORKING COMMITTEE BE RECEIVED AND THAT THE REPORT BE FORWARDED TO THE OCTOBER 11TH COUNCIL MEETING.

AND WE'RE NOW GOING TO WELCOME MS. LINDA FINN UP TO THE PODIUM TO DO A PRESENTATION ON THE FIVE YEAR PLAN FOR PUBLIC ART IN ELLIOT LAKE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WELCOME. THANK YOU.

THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE FROM THE ARTS AND CULTURE HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD TO PLAN FOR SOME PUBLIC ART AROUND ELLIOT LAKE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT VARIOUS THEMES, POSSIBLE SITES AND COSTS FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS IN FUTURE YEARS.

OPEN TO. WE'VE DECIDED ON THE THEME.

THE OVERALL THEME IS GOING TO BE WOODLANDS BECAUSE IT'S OPEN TO MANY INTERPRETATIONS.

MS. FINN YOUR PRESENTATION IS NOT UP.

MR. ANTUNES. [INAUDIBLE] WE JUST ASSUMED YOU WERE THE CLEANER. I DESERVE THAT.

[INAUDIBLE] CAN YOU SEE IT NOW? [INAUDIBLE] HE'S ENJOYING THE SHOW BACK THERE BY HIMSELF.

OH, THEY CAN SEE IT AT HOME.

WE'RE JUST NOT ALLOWED TO SEE IT.

YEAH, BUT MINE'S BLACK AND WHITE.

[INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU. I LOVE TECHNOLOGY.

WE'VE DECIDED ON THE THEME, OVERALL THEME OF WOODLANDS, BECAUSE IT'S OPEN TO MANY DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS, AND IT EXPLORES OUR NATURAL RESOURCES.

THINGS LIKE WILDLIFE, OUR LOCAL HISTORY, INCLUDING FIRST NATIONS, THE FOUR SEASONS, AND ALL OF THE WONDERFUL RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES

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SO WE HAVE PROPOSED FOR 2023 FOR DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IN ELLIOT LAKE THIS YEAR.

ONE IS THE STREAM OF DREAMS SCHOOL PROJECT AND THE SECOND IS HEAD THROUGH THE WHOLE PHOTO OPS.

THREE IS I LOVE ELLIOT LAKE, AN INTERACTIVE SCULPTURE, AND THE FOURTH IS THE INSTALLATION OF THE MINOR SCULPTURE DONE BY DAVE HIND. SO TO EXPLAIN OUR FIRST ONE, THE STREAM OF DREAMS IS A PROJECT FOR YOUTH IN ELLIOT LAKE THAT BRINGS AWARENESS OF THE IMPORTANCE OF WATER IN THE LIFE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THE STREAM OF DREAMS IS A COMMUNITY ART PROJECT ORGANIZED BY A GROUP IN B.C.

THAT EDUCATES YOUTH ABOUT OUR LOCAL WATERSHED.

SO THEY PROVIDE WHAT'S CALLED A MURAL IN A BOX, AND IT INCLUDES A VIRTUAL EDUCATION PROGRAM.

IT INCLUDES PAINT.

IT INCLUDES FISH FOR CHILDREN TO PAINT.

AND AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, THEY'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE WATERSHED.

THEY'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF KEEPING OUR WATER CLEAN IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THEY END UP WITH A AN ART PROJECT THAT CAN BE INSTALLED EITHER AT THEIR SCHOOL.

OR ON A IN A PUBLIC PLACE IN ELLIOT LAKE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE POSSIBILITIES.

RIGHT NOW, WE'RE APPROACHING EACH OF THE SCHOOLS TO SEE THAT THEY WOULD, IF THEY WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN 2023, BEGINNING IN SEPTEMBER, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR.

BECAUSE MOST SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THEIR BUDGETS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.

SO AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, THEY MIGHT HAVE THE FISH INSTALLED ON A FENCE AROUND THEIR SCHOOL.

OR WE EVEN ENVISIONED IT.

IT COULD BE SOMEPLACE IN A PUBLIC SPOT LIKE THE ROCK FACE IN THE FOODLAND PARKING LOT.

SO THE COST FOR THIS IS $15 PLUS GST AND THAT GIVES EVERY CHILD A FISH.

THE ONLINE LEARNING AND INSTALLATION OF THE FISH AT THE END OF THE PROJECT.

SO THEN WE FOUND OUT THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN ELLIOT LAKE SCHOOLS.

THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS HAVE 832 KIDS, GRADE SEVEN AND EIGHT, ONLY 197 AND THE HIGH SCHOOLS ONLY FOR 120.

SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO DO THIS PROJECT WITH THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $12,500.

BUT WE ARE ALSO PURSUING OTHER SPONSORSHIPS, GRANTS AND OTHER WAYS OF FUNDING THIS PROJECT.

BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FROM THE CITY ARE HELP IN THE SHIPPING COSTS, BECAUSE TO BRING A THE MURAL IN A BOX TO A SCHOOL COSTS BETWEEN THREE AND $500 IN TOTAL TO BRING IT TO THE SCHOOL, TO HAVE IT SHIPPED TO THE SCHOOL.

AND THE STREAM OF DREAMS COVERS HALF OF THE SHIPPING COSTS.

SO WE CALCULATED APPROXIMATELY $2,000 WOULD HELP WITH SHIPPING COSTS TO ALL OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

SO OUR SECOND PROJECT IS HEAD IN THE HOLE OR HEAD THROUGH THE HOLE.

AND THIS IS A TYPE OF SMALL MURAL, PORTABLE, PORTABLE MURAL THAT CAN BE INSTALLED IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY ON CITY PROPERTY.

AND IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE FUN, GET THEIR PICTURE TAKEN BY STICKING THEIR HEAD THROUGH THE HOLE AND THEN SHARING IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA USUALLY.

AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED TEN LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY, SUCH AS AT OUR BEACHES, THE LOOKOUT TOWER, KIWANIS, SPLASH PARK.

AND THESE WOULD BE FUN OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO TAKE PICTURES AND TO SHARE ENJOYMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY COULD EVEN BE BUILT AROUND A FESTIVAL OR SAY WE WERE HAVING A WINTER FEST.

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SO THAT THE BUDGET THAT WE ARE ASKING FROM THE CITY, THE EXPENSES ARE TEN SHEETS OF PLYWOOD FOR EACH OF THESE SMALL MURALS.

AND THEN THEY WOULD NEED LUMBER FOR SUPPORTING THEM.

AND WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PAY AN HONORARIUM TO EACH OF THE ARTISTS, WHETHER THEY BE CHILDREN OR ADULTS, THAT WOULD HELP IN THE COST OF THEIR COSTS IN PAINT AND ALSO FOR THEIR CREATIVE GENIUS.

THEN WE WOULD NEED SOME EXTERIOR VARNISH TO WEATHERPROOF THESE PANELS SO THEY COULD BE USED MORE THAN ONE YEAR.

SO THAT TOTAL IS $3,270.

THE THIRD INTERACTIVE METAL SCULPTURE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING COULD BE LOCATED AT SPRUCE BEACH.

AND WE ENVISIONED THE WORDS I HEART OR I LOVE ELLIOT LAKE AND WOULD BE, AGAIN, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY PEOPLE COULD EITHER STAND IN THE HEART AND HAVE THEIR PICTURE TAKEN, OR THEY COULD TAKE A PICTURE OF THE WONDERFUL BEACH, SPRUCE BEACH, WITH INCLUDING OUR FAMOUS ROCK.

SO WE HAVE BEEN IN CONSULTATION WITH KES EQUIPMENT AND ELLIOT LAKE ASKING FOR A PRICE FOR A METAL SIGN, AND THIS WAS THE PRICE THAT THEY PROPOSED TO US, A TOTAL OF $5,141.50. THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE INSTALLATION OF THIS SCULPTURE.

AND WE ALSO DID CONTACT LAIRD SIGNS TO SEE IF WE COULD GET ANOTHER QUOTE FOR ANOTHER TYPE OF SIGN SIMILAR TO THIS.

BUT WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM LAIRD SIGNS AS YET.

AND THE FOURTH PUBLIC ART INSTALLATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE IS TO HAVE THE MINING MINER, THE DRILLER THAT WAS LOCATED AT THE IN THE COURTYARD OF THE FORMER CIVIC CENTER.

WE'D LIKE THAT INSTALLED AT THE ATOMIC SYMBOL PARK BECAUSE WE FEEL IT WOULD BE A GOOD FIT WITH THE MINING HISTORY OF THE COMMUNITY.

SO WHY DO WE NEED PUBLIC ART IN ELLIOT LAKE? WELL, IT ENHANCES THE BEAUTY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

IT OFFERS ALTERNATIVE ACTIVITIES FOR PEOPLE TO EXPERIENCE WHO ARE LIVING HERE OR ARE VISITING OUR LOVELY COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S ADDITIONAL POSITIVE THINGS TO PROMOTE AS ELLIOT LAKE AS A TOURIST DESTINATION.

IT ALSO INDICATES THAT ELLIOT LAKE SUPPORTS THE ARTS.

AND LOTS OF PHOTO OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOCIAL MEDIA.

SO HERE'S OUR FUNDING AND TOTAL THAT WE ARE REQUESTING FROM COUNCIL FOR 2023.

THE STREAM OF DREAMS $2,000, HEAD IN THE HOLE $3,270, I LOVE ELLIOT LAKE $5,200 FOR A TOTAL OF $10,470. SO THAT'S MY REPORT.

OK THANK YOU, MS. FINN. ABSOLUTELY LOVED IT.

AND I LOVE GOING TO COMMUNITIES WHERE YOU SEE THIS TYPE OF OUTDOOR ART.

AND ACTUALLY, EARLIER WE HAD DISCUSSED [INAUDIBLE].

SO JUST SAYING EARLIER IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SITE SPECIFIC ADDED VALUE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR TOURISM.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT ABSOLUTELY CAN ENHANCE THE BEACHES.

YOU CAN ENHANCE THE LOOKOUT TOWER, THAT ROCK WALL AT FOODLAND.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT TO SEE FISH STREAM GOING UP.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO THIS AND ANYONE INVOLVED.

I THINK WE MIGHT NEED TO AMEND THE MOTION THOUGH, TO SEND THIS REQUEST TO BUDGET COMMITTEE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AS IT IS, THE RESOLUTION WAS THAT THE REPORT OF THE ARTS AND CULTURE WORKING COMMITTEE BE RECEIVED AND THE REPORT FORWARDED TO COUNCIL.

SO ESSENTIALLY WE'RE RECEIVING IT AND I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO EITHER APPROVE THE FUNDING OR FORWARD IT TO BUDGET.

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IT WAS THE RESOLUTION I WAS GIVEN.

THAT'S WAY BETTER THAN WHAT'S WRITTEN HERE.

SO YOU STILL MOVING THAT COUNCILLOR FINAMORE? YES. AND SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

EVEN BETTER. TAKES ONE STEP OUT.

THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. FINN? COUNCILLOR TURNER? THANK YOU, MS. FINN.

I THINK I MENTIONED BEFORE.

I THINK THIS IS AWESOME.

IT'S GOING TO ADD TO ATTRACTION TO OUR CITY.

AND ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO CREATE ATTRACTION BENEFITS US.

AND AS THE MAYOR JUST SAID, WE SPOKE OF THIS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDING THIS AFTERNOON.

AND THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO ENHANCE OUR TOURISM STRATEGY AND SOME OF THE GEARS MOVING TOGETHER IN THAT PARTICULAR REALM.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

THE STREAMING DREAMS. THE FUNDING REQUESTED WAS ONLY $2,000.

WHERE'S THE OTHER MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? WELL, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPONSORSHIPS.

WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO BE APPROACHING SOME OF THE SERVICE CLUBS IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE WOULD LIKE TO POSSIBLY SET UP A KIND OF LIKE THE ROTARY CLUB DID A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, DONATE $100 TO FOR A SPECIAL PROJECT.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

WE'RE ALSO APPLYING TO THE ONTARIO ARTS COUNCIL OF THE NORTHERN ARTS GRANT, AND WE'VE ALSO HAD AN OFFER OF HELP FROM THE STREAM OF DREAMS PROJECT PEOPLE IN B.C.

THEY'VE HELPED MANY COMMUNITIES GO THROUGH THIS AND THEY CAN HELP WITH GRANT WRITING AND WHO TO APPROACH FOR GRANT.

IN FACT, THEY THE LAST CORRESPONDENCE THAT WE HAD WITH THEM, THEY SENT A LINK TO A FEDERAL GRANT THAT THIS MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE FOR ITS EDUCATION ABOUT CLEAN WATER SO.

I THINK THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS A A COMPANY ON CONTRACT TO HELP FIND GRANTS.

PERHAPS WE CAN PURSUE THAT.

THE REASON I ASK IS I THINK THIS IS VERY VALUABLE PROJECT I HOPE YOU'LL CONSIDER INCLUDING THOSE 420 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS IN THIS BECAUSE THIS IS THEIR TOWN, TOO.

AND I THINK WE PROBABLY FIND SOME TALENTED ARTISTS IN THAT PARTICULAR BUNCH.

YES. AND ALSO IT MAKES THEM PART OF THE THE WHOLE PROJECT.

RIGHT. AGAIN, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT IT.

I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL AND SO GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT TO COUNCIL.

THIS IS THE KIND OF ACTIVITY THAT, AS I SAID, CREATES ATTRACTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN'T HELP BUT BENEFIT FROM IT.

SO I WISH THE BEST OF LUCK.

AND IF YOU FIND DIFFICULTY, PLEASE COME BACK TO COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] HELP MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR CYR. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

THANK YOU, MRS. FINN, FOR ALL THIS WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE FROM YOU AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE ARTS COMMUNITY.

I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE TO KEEP SUPPORTING ARTS COMMUNITY.

WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE WHEN THE COMMUNITY IS GIVING TOWARDS OUR PROJECTS AND CONTRIBUTING MONEY TOWARDS ARTS, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S SO IMPORTANT.

THERE'S ALL OVER THE WORLD.

YOU CAN FIND ECONOMIC REPORTS THAT WILL JUSTIFY JUST HOW IMPORTANT INVESTING IN YOUR ARTS COMMUNITY IS TO BUILDING CULTURE, TO BUILDING GENERAL WELLNESS.

IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE KNOWN THAT IT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S AND I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INVOLVE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, ORGANIZATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY TO HELP FUND THIS AND CONTRIBUTE TO IT BY WORKING TOGETHER TO BUILD MAKE OUR COMMUNITY MORE BEAUTIFUL.

THAT'S THE BEST THING WE CAN DO.

SO IT'S A POSITIVE GOAL.

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SO CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU, IF I MAY.

THANK YOU, MRS. FINN, I ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I WAS AT THE COMMITTEE, AND I'M VERY MUCH LIKE IT, BUT I DIDN'T CATCH IT.

THE COMMITTEE. SO ON THE ELLIOT LAKE SCULPTURE SIGN THE I HEART ELLIOT LAKE.

YES. THERE'S A SCALE IN THERE THAT SAYS 24 INCHES, WHICH GOES ACROSS SIX LETTERS.

COULD YOU GIVE US THE DIMENSIONS OF WHAT THAT SIZES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE? BECAUSE BASED ON WHAT IT SAYS THERE.

WILL BE, THE HEART ITSELF WOULD BE FIVE FEET HIGH, THE EMOJI HANDS.

AND NOW THE 24 INCHES FOR THE OTHER LETTERS WAS SUGGESTED BY KE ENTERPRISES.

BUT THEY COULD BE LARGER.

I WOULD I WOULD BELIEVE THAT WOULD ADD TO THE COST AND THEN THE SORRY [INAUDIBLE] SAYING IT'S 24 INCHES HIGH BEHIND YOU.

SO THE LETTERS ARE 24 INCHES HIGH.

YES, THE LETTERS ARE 24 INCHES HIGH.

AND THEN THAT WOULD BE WELDED ON TO A FRAMEWORK.

SO IT WOULD BE UP.

SO WHEN YOU'RE AIMING A CAMERA THROUGH THE EMOJI, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, APPROXIMATELY EYE LEVEL FOR MOST PEOPLE, I THINK. I THINK.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

I KNOW EVERYBODY AROUND THE TABLE IS VERY THRILLED, BUT I JUST PARTICULARLY WANT TO MENTION HOW HAPPY I AM THAT THE THE DAVID HIND SCULPTURE WILL BE BACK IN A PROMINENT LOCATION.

THAT'S TO ME. THAT'S WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU. WE THINK SO, TOO.

AND WONDER IF THAT ONE CAN BE DONE A LITTLE SOONER.

COUNCILLOR MANN, THANK YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER THING TO ADD THAT I MENTIONED TO THE STANDING COMMITTEE THAT WE FOUND OUT ABOUT BFG. DOMINIQUE JEAN IS INVOLVING THE GRADE SEVEN AND EIGHTHS AND I BELIEVE IT'S ALL OF THE SEVEN AND EIGHTHS ACROSS THE CITY IN A MURAL PROJECT WITH A FIRST NATIONS ARTIST AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO INSTALL THE MURAL WHEN IT'S DONE.

AND SO WE'RE I TOLD THEM THAT THE COMMITTEE WOULD WE WOULD DO OUR BEST TO FIND A REALLY GOOD PLACE FOR IT WHEN IT WAS FINISHED.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THE PUZZLE.

AWESOME. AWESOME.

SORRY COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

THANK YOU, MRS. FINN, FOR THE PRESENTATION.

AND MY QUESTION TO COUNCIL IS, DO WE NEED TO ACKNOWLEDGE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THIS IS A APPROVAL FOR THE 2023 BUDGET? WELL FOR SPENDING MONEY IN NEXT YEARS, THERE SHOULD BE AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF SOME KIND.

I WOULD SUGGEST IF WE'RE IF WE'RE NOT SPENDING IT THIS YEAR, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE TIMELINES ARE EARLY IN 2023.

MR. DANIEL. I MEAN, THE NUMBERS ARE RELATIVELY SMALL.

IT COULD BE REFERRED TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE.

I'M SURE THIS POSITIVITY WILL CONTINUE ON TO THE FIRST BUDGET COMMITTEE MEETING.

WHETHER THAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT COUNCIL MANDATE, NOT THIS ONE.

SO IT COULD BE PRE-APPROVED AND IT'S BUILT IN.

IT'S ALSO SO SMALL THAT IF WE NEED TO ORDER SOME PLYWOOD, I'M PRETTY SURE WE CAN GET SOME, YOU KNOW, FACILITATE A LOT OF THIS WITHOUT WITHOUT COUNCIL'S EXPRESS APPROVAL FOR $10,000 FOR PROJECTS OF $2,000 EACH OR WHATNOT.

[INAUDIBLE] I JUST DON'T WANT TO DELAY THE PROCESS BECAUSE IF IT DOESN'T EXPLICITLY SAY IN THE RESOLUTION PRE-APPROVAL FOR 2023 BUDGET, IT JUST LEAVES IT OPEN FOR INTERPRETATION.

I JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE IN CAPTURING THAT TONIGHT.

SO PUT FORWARD AN AMENDMENT COUNCILLOR MANN THAT X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS BE PRE APPROVED.

SECONDER FOR THAT, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT SO WE CAN GET BACK TO THE CONVERSATION.

COUNCILLOR TURNER, FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR FENIMORE.

[INAUDIBLE] ON THE AMENDMENT [INAUDIBLE].

ON THE AMENDMENT OR THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? THIS AMENDMENT. WE'VE AMENDED THE AMENDMENT.

YES. NO, THE THE ORIGINAL MOTION.

I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE WORDS ON MY PAPER FOR SOME REASON.

I JUST MADE SURE THAT THE NEXT ONE IS RIGHT.

SO. IT HASN'T BEEN AMENDED YET.

IF I MAY YOUR WORSHIP.

SO WE HAD AN AMENDMENT BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, DID WE NOT?

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I'M STILL USING THE OLD AGENDA.

I GOT IT NOW. OKAY.

SO CARRYING ON WITH THE AMENDMENT COUNCILLOR FINAMORE IS IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PATRIE, FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR MANN, FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR CYR FAVOR.

I'M IN FAVOR.

THE AMENDMENTS CARRIED BACK TO YOUR QUESTION COUNCILLOR MANN.

THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

ONE. [INAUDIBLE] COUNCILLOR FINAMORE HAS BEEN HOLDING HER HAND FOR FOR THE LONGEST TIME.

THANK YOU, THROUGH YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION ONCE AGAIN.

AND I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS.

ONE IS FOR THE HEAD AND THE WHOLE PROJECT.

ARE YOU IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO DO IT SOMETHING LIKE THE BANNERS OR GO TO THE COMMUNITY AND GET FOR REQUESTS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A CALL FOR ENTRY GO OUT? I HAVE SOME DATES SUGGESTED AND THAT WOULD START IN THE MIDDLE OF JANUARY.

WE WOULD HAVE A DEADLINE FOR THE DESIGNS TO COME IN AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE A COMMITTEE SELECT THE WINNING DESIGNS, AND THEN WE WOULD GIVE IT A PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE ARTISTS TO GET THEIR WORK DONE.

AND WE WOULD HOPE TO HAVE THEM INSTALLED IN JUNE OF 2023.

THANK YOU. I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY BE INVOLVED IN SOME WAY IN THIS BECAUSE IT IS A COMMUNITY ART PROJECT AND THAT EVENTUALLY AS THE PROJECTS COME TO FRUITION AND THEY GET COMPLETED, YOU'LL COME FORWARD WITH IDEAS AS TO WHERE EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE PLACED AND AND HOPEFULLY IT CAN ALL BE DONE FOR NEXT SUMMER.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU TO YOUR COMMITTEE FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

I KNOW IT'S A LOT OF WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. FINN. I'LL GET TO MS. BRAY TO READ THE MULTIPLE AMENDED RESOLUTION.

THAT THE REPORT FROM THE RECREATION AND CULTURE STANDING COMMITTEE BE RECEIVED AND THAT THE PLAN FOR PUBLIC ART IN AND AROUND ELLIOT LAKE PROPOSAL WOULD BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND THAT $10,470 BE APPROVED IN THE 2023 BUDGET PROCESS.

AND I'M IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

ALL RIGHT. 8.2 REPORT FROM THE BYLINE PLANNING COMMITTEE UPDATED ANIMAL CONTROL AND RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP BYLAW.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU AT THE OCTOBER 3RD BY LAW AND PLANNING STANDING COMMITTEE, THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTION WAS PASSED THAT THE REPORT FROM THE DEPUTY CLERK AND ACCESSIBILITY COORDINATOR BE RECEIVED AND THAT THE FINAL DRAFT BYLAW DERIVED FROM RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF.

THE COMMITTEE PUBLIC INPUT, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S FEE SCHEDULE, REVISIONS FOR ANIMAL CONTROL AND RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP BE APPROVED BY THE COMMITTEE AND THAT THE FINAL DRAFT BYLAW BE FORWARDED TO COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION AND IMPLEMENTATION.

AND I SO MOVE.

SECONDER PLEASE. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

[INAUDIBLE] JUST A LITTLE BIT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO MS. DOYLE. THE ANIMAL CONTROL AND RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP BYLAW PROVIDES STANDARDS TO PROHIBIT AND REGULATE ANIMALS AND DOGS RUNNING AT LARGE LICENSING IDENTIFICATION AND ENCOURAGING RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP WITHIN THE ELLIOT LAKE COMMUNITY.

WITH THE REPEAL OF THE CURRENT BYLAW AND IMPLEMENTATION OF ALL LEVELS AND PHASES OF UPDATES, THE BYLAW REFLECTS THE CURRENT LEGISLATION AND COMMUNITY NEEDS.

AMENDMENTS INCLUDE TO DEVELOP THIS FINAL DRAFT OF THE BYLAW ARE IDENTIFIED THROUGHOUT THE ATTACHED DOCUMENT, AS LISTED IN THE IDENTIFYING COLORS BELOW, WHERE THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN GREEN AND STAFF, INCLUDING PUBLIC INPUT, IS IN YELLOW.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MS. DOYLE [INAUDIBLE].

THANK YOU TO YOU, YOUR WORSHIP SO THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILLOR PEARCE FOR SUMMING UP.

SO IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE LISTED LEVELS OF REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

IT'S GONE TO BYLAW AND PLANNING STANDING COMMITTEE MULTIPLE TIMES.

IT IS NOW IN FRONT OF YOU AS A FINAL DRAFT FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND IMPLEMENTATION.

SO JUST QUICKLY, WITH THE REPEAL OF THE CURRENT ANIMAL CONTROL BYLAW AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED AMENDED VERSION, INCLUDING ALL OF THE LAYERS OF EDITS AND AMENDMENTS LISTED PREVIOUSLY.

THIS BYLAW WILL BE MUCH MORE ENFORCEABLE AND EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENFORCEABILITY AND FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY.

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JUST A QUICK QUESTION, YOUR WORSHIP.

SO THIS IS ALREADY BEEN TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE.

AND WAS THERE ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL IN THE WAY OF CHANGE RECOMMENDED THERE? [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

SO IT HAS GONE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR REVIEW ON THE SCHEDULE FEES, AND ONCE IT'S APPROVED BY COUNCIL, IT'LL GO FOR A FINAL APPROVAL AND THEN SEND BACK AND SIGNED AND SEALED AND, AND ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT IT AS A AS A BYLAW.

THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

DIDN'T QUITE GET AN ANSWER THAT I WAS WONDERING IF THE AG'S OFFICE HAD MADE RECOMMENDATIONS OR CHANGES TO THE TO OUR PROPOSAL.

THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP. YES.

SO EVERYTHING THAT'S LISTED IN GREEN HAS BEEN AMENDED BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE WITH THEIR EDITS.

SO IT'S ALL LISTED IN THERE IN GREEN AND HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU.

OKAY. YOU HAVE A BLACK AND WHITE DOCUMENT, COUNCILLOR TURNER.

YEAH. SO THE STUFF IN GRAY IS THE ETERNAL GENERAL, AND THE STAFF BY STAFF IS IN GRAY.

AND THE STUFF THAT WAS PUBLIC INPUT IS ALSO IN GRAY.

THANK YOU. IT IS TWO DIFFERENT SHADES, THOUGH, SO YOU CAN.

COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

OBVIOUSLY, AS YOU HAD INDICATED, THIS HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH TO BYLAW ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.

AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK THOSE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO DID COME FORWARD AND PROVIDE INPUT.

THERE WERE ALSO CONCERNS REGARDING ANIMAL SAFETY IN THE WINTER AND TALKING TO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEY'RE SATISFIED THAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MANAGE THOSE CONCERNS WITH THIS UPCOMING CHANGE TO THE BYLAW.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK AND ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE COMMENTS THIS EVENING JUST ON THAT.

MS. DOYLE SO THIS IS NOT JUST UPDATING WHAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO WHEN IT COMES BACK FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE THE SECOND TIME, WILL THAT GIVE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THE AUTHORITIES AND THE POWERS THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE AND PROTECT THE ANIMALS? YES, ABSOLUTELY.

[INAUDIBLE] ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.

ALL IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. 8.3 REFERRAL FROM THE BYLAW PLANNING COMMITTEE.

UPDATE ON SAD VERBAL AND THE REQUEST IS COMING FROM THE OCTOBER 3RD, 2022 BYLAW AND PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING THAT STAFF PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON SAD TO COUNCIL FOR THIS EVENING'S MEETING.

MR. DANIEL, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

YES, THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH SAD AS THEY STRUGGLE WITH THE STATE OF THEIR BUILDING.

THEY'VE MADE VARIOUS REQUESTS.

THERE HAVEN'T BEEN FORMALIZED YET.

WE'RE STILL TALKING TO THEM, BUT THEY WOULD LIKE.

THEY HAVE ASKED THE CITY TO SECURE THEIR BUILDING WITH BARRICADES AND SIGNAGE AND THE LIKE.

THEY WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO FACILITATE DEMOLISHING THEIR BUILDING AND THEY ARE INTERESTED AND PERHAPS A GRANT IF POSSIBLE. AGAIN, THIS IS STILL MOVING VERY QUICKLY, HAVEN'T FORMALIZED THIS, BUT THEY ARE LOOKING AT RENTING A TRAILER OR A PORTABLE OR SOME KIND OF BUILDING THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO LOCATE AT THE DOG PARK AT WASHINGTON, WHERE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IDEALLY EXCLUSIVE USE OF THE WASHINGTON DOG PARK FOR THEIR DOG RUNS, FOR THEIR DAYCARE OR KENNELS.

AND THEY WOULD THEY HAVE BEEN USING OUR POUND AND WE'RE SHARING SPACE THEY WOULD LIKE TO USE THE MUNICIPAL POUND FOR OVERNIGHT STAYS LESS FOR ANIMALS THAT WE WOULD PICK UP BUT MORE FOR THEIR OWN CLIENT BASE.

I'VE BEEN NONCOMMITTAL ON A LOT OF THAT SUBJECT.

THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION DID CLARIFY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING OURSELVES, SO WE WOULDN'T BE INTERESTED IN THAT SCENARIO.

WE WOULD PREFER IF COUNCIL WISHES TO PROVIDE A GRANT.

THEY ARE A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION.

IT'S NOT A PRIVATE SECTOR ISSUE.

WE WILL ARE DEFINITELY SUPPORTIVE OF THE SAD ORGANIZATION.

WE DO HAVE SOME MUTUAL BENEFIT WHEN IT COMES TO WORKING TOGETHER FOR FOR ANIMALS AT LARGE, BUT WE'RE NOT PARTICULARLY OR SOMEWHAT RELUCTANT TO GO TOO FAR WITHOUT A MANDATE FROM COUNCIL, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE, AND CERTAINLY NOT INTERESTED IN SPENDING A LARGE AMOUNT OF MUNICIPAL TAX DOLLARS WITHOUT COUNCIL'S EXPRESS DIRECTION.

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NOTE THAT SUMMED UP OUR CONVERSATIONS.

SO JUST ON THAT, MR. DANIEL, I PREFER IF THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE A SOLID PLAN COMING FORWARD TO COUNCIL TO TO APPROVE.

I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED WITH THE TAKING UP OF THE WHOLE WASHINGTON DOG PARK.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S HEAVILY UTILIZED BY OUR SENIORS IN THE WASHINGTON WARSAW APARTMENT BUILDINGS.

THERE'S ABOUT 600 UNITS THERE WITH RESIDENTS THAT USE THAT ON A REGULAR.

SO CUTTING THEM OFF COMPLETELY OF BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT DOESN'T DOESN'T REALLY JIVE WELL, PROBABLY WON'T JIVE WELL WITH THE PUBLIC THAT LIVE IN THE AREA.

IS IT POSSIBLE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT ASSISTING WITH DEMOLISHING THE BUILDING AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR ESSENTIALLY PORTABLE UNITS TO SAVE THE YARD THAT THEY CURRENTLY UTILIZE AND AFTER THAT BUILDING IS REMOVED, PUTTING THE PORTABLES BACK ON THAT SITE.

SO THEY STILL HAVE THEIR RUNS AND THEIR FENCING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

I NEED WAY MORE INFORMATION.

SURE, THIS IS A VERBAL UPDATE WITH THE INFORMATION WE HAVE LATELY.

IT DOESN'T WE'RE NOT EXPECTING OR I'M NOT EXPECTING A DECISION NECESSARILY TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTION.

OTHERWISE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM AND UPDATE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, AS THE NEED ARISES.

WE MAY NEED A SPECIAL MEETING IF IT'S IMMINENT OR IMPORTANT ENOUGH, OR WE'LL JUST CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT TOGETHER WITH THEM.

BUT THAT'S JUST AN ORDER OF SCALE OF THEIR HOPES AND DREAMS THAT THE MUNICIPALITY WOULD HELP THEM GET BACK ON THEIR FEET GIVEN THE STATE OF THEIR BUILDING.

OKAY. I THINK WE ALL WANT TO HELP.

COUNCILLOR MANN. THANK YOU.

I GUESS OBVIOUSLY YOU WOULD INDICATE IT AS WELL.

WE'VE ALREADY CANCELED OUR MEETING ON THE 24TH, SO THAT WOULD MEAN THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING WOULD BE THE 14TH.

I'M I'M PERSONALLY COMFORTABLE PROVIDING DIRECTION TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH SAD TO FIND OPTIONS, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT HAVING ANYTHING FORMALLY BACK FROM THEIR BOARD TO US TO LOOK OVER IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO THAT WILL NEED TO OCCUR FIRST BEFORE WE COME BACK.

BUT HAVING A SPECIAL MEETING TO DISCUSS IT, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH.

WE'RE BEYOND THAT.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY SOME I'VE SPOKEN TO THEIR PRESIDENT ON ONE OCCASION LAST WEEK TO TRY TO GET SOME UNDERSTANDING.

AND AGAIN, IT IS VERY FLUID, THIS PROCESS AT THIS POINT.

I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO ASSIST, BUT I'M SURE THEY'RE STILL KIND OF GOING THROUGH THOSE MOTIONS AS WELL.

SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, MY MY COMFORT IS TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM TO FINALIZE WHAT THEIR FINAL ASK IS GOING TO BE OF US.

COUNCILLOR CYR. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

FOR MYSELF. I THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN SOME WAY TO HELP IN THE PROCESS AND TO HELP SAD RECOVER.

BUT I THINK THE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY AS WELL.

SO I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME.

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME EFFORTS DONE TO TRY TO GET RETRIEVE SOME FUNDS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO HELP WITH.

AT THE SAME TIME, SOME FUNDRAISING ACTIVITIES OR WHATEVER.

JUST I THINK I DON'T WANT THE CITY TO BE THE SOLE BAIL ME OUT SCENARIO.

I'D LIKE TO SEE A MUTUAL EFFORT FROM OTHER FUNDRAISING PLANS AS WELL.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILLOR CYR, THAT'S ALREADY STARTING TO HAPPEN.

BUT IT IS GOING TO BE A BIG ENDEAVOR.

MY QUESTION.

I HAVE A QUESTION AND A COMMENT.

SORRY. THE COMMENT IS, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HELP WITH THE DEMOLITION, WE POTENTIALLY COULD WORK WITH SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS OR.

WE COULD WORK THIS OUT WITH SOME OF THE CONTRACTORS OR WHATEVER TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP THEM.

BUT COULD WE ALSO LOOK AT NOT CHARGING THE TIPPING FEES FOR WHAT WOULD END UP IN THE LANDFILL, WHICH WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL COST TO THEM AS WELL. AND THEN THE QUESTION I HAVE IS AND I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN TO THE PARKS YARD FOR EVER, BUT THE NEW PROPERTY THAT WE ACQUIRED FOR OUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT ON TIMBER ROAD, I KNOW THE BACK END OF THAT IS A SECTIONED OFF PORTION OF THE BUILDING AND IT'S ALSO A FENCED PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IS THERE [INAUDIBLE] WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO OUR CURRENT POUND?

[02:50:03]

YES, THEY'RE DEALING WITH AN INSURANCE ISSUE THERE.

EVEN IF YOU DEMOLISH AND REBUILD IN THAT SAME LOCATION OR DO THEY DEMOLISH, SELL AND MOVE.

THERE'S SO MANY THINGS.

BUT THE ISSUE IS THERE'S NOWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW TO ASSIST US BECAUSE THEY ARE A PARTNER OF OUR MUNICIPALITY.

WE DO UTILIZE THEIR SERVICES QUITE OFTEN.

SO IF WE COULD GET THEM HOUSED SOMEWHERE TEMPORARILY, IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY LOOKING AT THE BACK END OF THAT SPACE, BECAUSE IT CAN BE SECTIONED OFF ACTUALLY VERY EASILY, IF WE'RE NOT UTILIZING THE BACK END OF THAT BUILDING, IT GIVES THEM SOMEWHERE THAT IS ALREADY FENCED.

WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT. YEAH.

I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH OF THAT IS USED IN THE WINTER SEASON AND BUT WE WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT.

JUST ALSO A FOOTNOTE TO THE PUBLIC WATCHING AT HOME IS YOU CAN ALREADY DONATE TO SAD VIA OUR WEBSITE.

GET A TAX RECEIPT, USE A CREDIT CARD THAT IS ALREADY ESTABLISHED BACK WITH THE BETTY WHITE THING.

SO THAT CAN HAPPEN RIGHT NOW.

AND IF YOU'RE I KNOW THERE'S EFFORTS ONGOING FOR FUNDRAISING SO YOU CAN DONATE VIA OUR WEBSITE IT GOES TO SAID YOU GET A TAX RECEIPT SO WE ALREADY HAVE THAT IN PLACE AND ANYTHING GOING FORWARD FROM THE NEWS OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, SITUATION WITH THE BUILDING ONWARD, WE CAN DIFFERENTIATE THAT AND HELP THAT FUNDRAISING EFFORT FACILITATE THAT THROUGH OUR OWN WEBSITE.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D BE AVAILABLE IF WE HAVE ANY EMERGENCY MEETINGS ONCE THE PLAN COMES FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ASSIST WHAT WE CAN.

AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S EDIFICATION, THE ANIMALS ARE ALL TAKEN CARE OF.

AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING RIGHT NOW.

YES. JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE IMMEDIATE CONCERN WE HAD WITH THE ANIMALS AND DISPLACED THAT THAT'S THAT'S BEEN MITIGATED, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FINE.

THEY'RE SATISFYING THERE.

WE HAVE A MOMENT TO BREATHE NOW.

WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

COUNCILLOR TURNER [INAUDIBLE].

WELL, I'M HOPING THINGS RESOLVE THEMSELVES AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE FOR THE SAKE OF THE SAD AND THE WORK THAT IT DOES.

PERHAPS WHEN WE GET TO MEET AGAIN TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP, PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE SOME FINANCIAL INFORMATION FROM SAD ABOUT WHAT THEIR POSITION IS.

ESSENTIALLY TELLING US THAT THEY DON'T HAVE MORE MONEY THAN WE DO.

SO JUST GIVE US A SENSE OF THEIR FINANCIALS AND THEY'D LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH KNOCKING DOWN BUILDINGS OR SHORING THEM UP.

DO WE KNOW WHAT IT WOULD COST TO REHABILITATE THE FACILITY THAT EXISTS NOW VERSUS THE COST OF KNOCKING IT DOWN AND PUTTING SOMETHING NEW IN? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AT THE MEETING.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BUT WE CAN ASK THAT.

BUT THEY'RE RELUCTANT TO INCUR EXPENSES ON THE BUILDING THAT THEY AND THEIR CONTRACTORS HAVE DEEMED AND ARE BUILDING.

DEPARTMENT HAVE DEEMED TOO FAR GONE.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT WOULD MEAN OR WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO SHORE UP THAT BUILDING AND MAKE IT SAFE AGAIN.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

TWO ITEMS. NUMBER ONE, WE'VE CONDEMNED THAT BUILDING.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE SENDING CONTRACTORS IN THERE ONCE WE'VE CONDEMNED IT BECAUSE IT'S UNSAFE.

WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY WORKING IN THERE AND HAVE IT COLLAPSE ON THEM.

BUT THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN FEAR I HAVE.

YES. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE WHAT THEY HAD IN PLACE AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS CLOSED HAD BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

THEY'VE BEEN CLOSED A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS NOW AND WE'VE HAD NOWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF ONGOING ISSUES.

OUR STAFF, OUR BYLAW DEPARTMENT HAVE NOWHERE TO HAVE SOMEBODY TAKE CARE OF STUFF FOR THEM AS WELL.

SO I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET THIS UP AND RUNNING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

SO, YES, I ENCOURAGE STAFF LET'S WORK WITH THEM DAILY IF WE NEED TO, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET SOMETHING MOVING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? [INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT.

GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE AND THE CONVERSATION.

[02:55:04]

[Additional Item]

I HAVE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE NOTICE OF PROVISION FOR THE PROCEDURAL BYLAW TO ADD THE EXTENSION OF CLOSING OF [INAUDIBLE] AVENUE TO THE AGENDA. AND I WOULD MOVE THAT [INAUDIBLE].

MR. ANTUNES WILL SPEAK TO IT, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR TURNER.

[INAUDIBLE] OKAY.

SO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ON IT BECAUSE EVERYONE'S KIND OF LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? IT CAME IT CAME LATE IN THE DAY TODAY.

AND JUST PRIOR TO THE MEETING, MR. ANTUNES CAME AND ASKED IF WE COULD DO THIS.

HE HAS SOME INFORMATION THAT IS IMPERATIVE AND IS TIME SENSITIVE AND CAN'T WAIT.

IS THAT ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR EVERYONE TO VOTE OR CALL FOR THE VOTE, THEN? ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S PRIOR TO THIS.

HOW LONG ARE WE EXTENDING IT? HE'S GOING TO TELL US IN A MOMENT.

SO WE'RE SUSPENDING.

SORRY. YES. YEAH.

IN FAVOR. SORRY. SO. SO NOW HE'LL EXPLAIN TO US AND WE'LL PUT FORWARD A MOTION HERE.

MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. IF IT WENT THAT QUICKLY, I WOULD HAVE BEEN.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC.

BUT YES, IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH TO COUNCILORS AT THE MEETING TODAY.

THE PHONE CALL HAPPENED JUST AFTER 2 P.M.

TODAY. AND WITH THE SUSPENSION OR THE ELIMINATION OF THE MEETING ON THE 24TH AND HEADING ON, IT'S IT WAS IMPERATIVE AND VERY TIMELY TO BRING UP THIS EVENING THE PROPONENT [INAUDIBLE] STATES THAT IS THE OR IS THE OWNER A POTENTIAL SOON TO BE OWNER OF [INAUDIBLE] AVENUE WHO IS ALSO THE OWNER OF THE ALL NATIONS TERRACED PROPERTY WHICH HAS CLOSED IS DONE IS MOVING FORWARD THE [INAUDIBLE] AVENUE AS COUNCIL IS AWARE USED TO HOUSE A COMMERCIAL LOT, A COMMERCIAL BUILDING BEING CONVERTED TO RESIDENTIAL AND NOTICE OF PROPERTY CONDITION OR I APOLOGIZE MR. GAGNON WHAT WAS THE TERM FOR THE THE CERTIFICATE OR TO CERTIFY THE PROPERTY, HAVING A BRAIN MELT, THE CERTIFICATE FOR CONVERTING FROM RESIDENTIAL TO [INAUDIBLE] SITE CONDITION.

THANK YOU, SIR. RECORD OF SITE CONDITION AS PART OF A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL IS REQUIRED BECAUSE IT'S GOING FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.

THE PROPONENT HAS HAD A HECK OF A TIME WITH CONTRACTORS HERE IN THE NORTH WITH PROVIDING ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES, CERTAINLY FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE BUSINESSES.

I'M NOT GOING TO NAME ANY SPECIFIC NAMES, BUT HE'S NOW ON HIS THIRD CONTRACTOR TO GET A PHASE ONE DONE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT AND THE SURVEY COMPLETED TO DO BOTH THE ZONING AMENDMENT AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL.

SO HE DID REACH OUT AGAIN TODAY.

HE'S UP AGAINST IT.

HE'S BEYOND FRUSTRATED, BUT HAS ASKED FOR ANOTHER 90 DAYS TO GET THE ENVIRONMENTAL DONE SO HE CAN MOVE FORWARD BEFORE CLOSING, BECAUSE IF HE CLOSES ON THE PROPERTY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOES NOT PASS, THE PROPONENT IS STUCK WITH THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND WHICH IS NOT HIS INTENT TO DEVELOP RESIDENTIAL UNITS. SO VERY SIMPLY, JUST A REQUEST TO EXTEND CLOSING BY 90 DAYS.

SO THERE'S PUT FORWARD A MOTION THAT COUNCIL APPROVE HE EXTENSION OF 90 DAYS TO [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE PROPERTY AT [INAUDIBLE] AVENUE, MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

VERY, VERY FRUSTRATING INDEED.

AND THAT'S NOT THE FIRST I'VE HEARD IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THERE'S POTENTIAL OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT JOBS TO BE GOING ON.

SOME ARE [INAUDIBLE] AND I'VE HEARD FROM A FEW OF THE CONTRACTORS THAT THEY'RE HAVING A BIT OF ISSUES, AND I KNOW FROM TALKS WITH [INAUDIBLE] THAT HE HAD WANTED TO SEE THESE PROJECTS ACTUALLY STARTED BY OCTOBER 1ST.

SO TIME IS MONEY AND HE'S LOSING IT.

SO THAT'S NOT NOT NOT GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY, NOT GOOD FOR HIM.

SO I'M GLAD THAT HE'S STICKING TO IT, THOUGH, AND CONTINUES TO PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD.

THAT'S GREAT NEWS, COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

I'LL ASK THIS QUESTION VERY CAREFULLY.

SO THE ISSUE IS NOT THAT YOU THEY CAN'T GET A PHASE ONE DONE.

THEY CAN'T GET A PHASE ONE DONE IN A TIMELY MANNER.

CORRECT. THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

YES, SIR. IT'S NOT A MATTER OF THAT MANY CONTRACTORS THAT SPECIALIZE IN THIS ARE SPREAD VERY THIN.

AND IT'S A MATTER OF TIMING.

WE'LL GET TO YOU WHEN WE GET TO YOU.

AND WHEN WE GET TO YOU SEEMS TO BE GETTING LONGER AND LONGER.

AND AGAIN, A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION HAS PICKED UP IN THE LAST NUMBER OF MONTHS.

SO IT'S NOT SOLELY THE FAULT OF NOT GETTING IT OR IGNORING.

IT'S JUST THERE'S A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF WORKLOAD FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD.

OK THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

[03:00:02]

IT'S PROBABLY A REDUNDANT QUESTION, BUT HAVE YOU GIVEN MR. [INAUDIBLE] PEOPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN USING THAT ARE CURRENTLY WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY DOING WORK? THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP, I WILL ANSWER VERY EASILY AND SAY, YES, I HAVE.

AND IT HAS GONE THROUGH TWO OTHER ONES AS WELL SO.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. I THINK COUNCILLOR PATRIE AND [INAUDIBLE] EXPRESSED MY THOUGHTS.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ASSIST THIS DEVELOPER IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN.

AND IS THERE ANYTHING YOU NEED FROM COUNCIL THAT WE CAN DO TO GET THIS ROLLING.

THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP UNLESS COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO DO A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL ON ON THE PROPERTY.

UNFORTUNATELY NOT.

AGAIN, IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO NOT THE FAULT OF THE PROVIDERS.

IT IS JUST AN ABUNDANCE OF WORK FOR SOMETHING THAT WASN'T REALLY DONE FOR THE LAST NUMBER OF YEARS.

SO DEMAND EXCEEDS SUPPLY.

THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP. YES, SIR.

AND STAFF HAVE CALLED AND NUDGED, BUT AGAIN, THERE'S DEMAND EXCEEDS SUPPLY, JUST JUST LIKE HYDRO ON FOX DRIVE. RIGHT? YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

NOTHING AN EMAIL BOMB CAN FIX.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH.

THEY'RE VERY THANKFUL TO [INAUDIBLE] THEY'RE HANGING ON AND STILL WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO I THANK YOU FOR THIS, MR. ANTUNES, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LATE TIME BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL.

OKAY. I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.

ALL IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. ARTS AND CULTURE HUB UPDATE.

[10. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]

SO, YES, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, MILDLY DISTRACTED WITH THE POOL, BUT WE HAVEN'T LOST SIGHT OF THE OTHER LARGE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR RENOVATION PROJECT WE HAVE IN THE WORKS. I SAW A DRAWING TODAY, SO WE'RE STILL WORKING ON TRYING TO GET THAT TENDER OUT FOR THE RENOVATIONS TO THE LAKE THEATER.

AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED GENERALLY WITH SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION ABOUT HOW TO SORT OF GET THE ARTS AND CULTURE STEERING COMMITTEE HUB IT'S NOT THE HUB NECESSARILY, BUT REINVIGORATED AND GET SOME INPUT FROM FROM SERPENT RIVER AND MISSISSAUGA FIRST NATION TO GET THAT THING SORT OF MOVING AGAIN.

WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MAY LOOK LIKE, BUT WE WOULD, OF COURSE, BRIEF COUNCIL ON THAT WHEN A TIME COMES.

BUT WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE LAKE THEATER RENOVATION.

THANK YOU. 10.2.

PROBABLY NO UPDATES ON RESIDENTIAL WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT.

NO, BUT WE FLIRTED WITH THE CONCEPT OF MAYBE THAT WOULD BE REPACKAGED AS THE SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION TASK FORCE UPDATE.

WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED IT TWICE A MONTH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, AT EVERY MEETING, BUT AT LEAST HAVING IT THERE ONCE A MONTH, YOU'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UPDATE COUNCIL AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE SERPENT RIVER FIRST NATION TASK FORCE.

BUT LET'S JUST WE DON'T NEED TO SOLVE THAT HERE AT THIS EVENING.

JUST A THOUGHT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. NO PETITIONS, NO CORRESPONDENCE, NO NOTICE OF MOTION COUNCIL'S REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[14. COUNCIL REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]

WHEREAS YEARS OF RESEARCH CONFIRMS THE BENEFITS OF HIGH QUALITY EARLY LEARNING AND CHILD CARE FOR YOUNG CHILDREN'S INTELLECTUAL, EMOTIONAL, SOCIAL AND PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT AND LATER LIFE OUTCOMES.

AND WHEREAS, CHILD CARE PROMOTES THE WELL-BEING OF CHILDREN AND RESPONDS TO THE NEEDS OF FAMILIES AND THE BROADER COMMUNITY BY SUPPORTING QUALITY OF LIFE SO THAT CITIZENS CAN FULLY PARTICIPATE IN AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMIC, SOCIAL LIFE OF THEIR COMMUNITY.

AND WHEREAS TRAINED AND KNOWLEDGEABLE REGISTERED EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATORS AND [INAUDIBLE] CHILD CARE STAFF ARE THE KEY TO QUALITY IN EARLY LEARNING AND CHILD CARE PROGRAMS, WHEREAS REGISTERED EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATORS AND CHILD CARE WORKERS WILL BE VITAL TO THE SUCCESS OF THE CANADA WIDE EARLY LEARNING AND CHILD CARE SYSTEM.

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT OCTOBER 18TH, 2022 BE DESIGNATED THE 22ND ANNUAL CHILD CARE WORKER AND EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATOR APPRECIATION DAY IN RECOGNITION OF THE EDUCATION, DEDICATION AND COMMITMENT OF CHILD CARE WORKERS TO CHILDREN, THEIR FAMILIES, AND QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

BY THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, I HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 18TH, 2022, AS CHILD CARE WORKER IN EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATOR APPRECIATION DAY IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

[INAUDIBLE] WE HAVE.

I ONLY HAVE TWO THINGS FOR THE ACTUAL REPORT TONIGHT.

SO APPARENTLY WE HAVE WRESTLING COMING BACK TO ELLIOT LAKE.

CANADIAN WRESTLING ELITE, THURSDAY, OCTOBER 20TH WILL BE AT THE COLLINS HALL BUT DID NOT HAVE A TIME ON THE PROMOTION I'M IMAGINING.

[03:05:09]

NOBODY KNOWS. SO SOMETIME IN THE EVENING THERE'S WRESTLING HERE ON THE 20TH.

THE NEXT ONE, OCTOBER 24TH.

THAT WOULD BE NOT OUR NEXT COUNCIL NIGHT.

THAT'S ELECTION NIGHT.

SO YOUR VOICE MATTERS.

GET OUT AND VOTE.

I THINK WE HAVE EARLY VOTING CONTINUING ON THIS WEEK AND THE BIG DAY ON THE 24TH.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR FUN STUFF GOING ON IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY EVENTS, ANYTHING TO ANNOUNCE.

NO BIG TICKET ITEMS. I THINK EVERYONE JUST WANTS TO GO HOME.

BALL PROFESSIONAL.

SO SETTLEMENT $54,400.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT ONE IS.

OKAY. I'M GETTING HEAD NODS.

THAT ONE'S NOT CLEAR. MINISTER OF FINANCE POLICING $219,700.

RECEIVER GENERAL $71,400.

WORKPLACE SAFETY AND INSURANCE $22,800.

ALGOMA DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD THIRD QUARTER $250,000.

BEAMISH CONSTRUCTION INC.

OPS GRADER DUNLOP SHORES AND WASHINGTON $26,197, GFL ENVIRONMENTAL.

THAT WOULD BE CURBSIDE FRONT LOAD AND MISSISSAUGA PARK SEPTIC $42,500, GILBERTSON ENTERPRISES CRUSHING SERVICES $175,028, HURON SUPERIOR CATHOLIC DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD THIRD QUARTER LEVY $63,700, MCCOWAN AND ASSOCIATES OCTOBER LIBRARY AND [INAUDIBLE] $27,400, MCDOUGALL ENERGY [INAUDIBLE] DIESEL CLEAR DIESEL $50,300 AND OMERS $44,185.

AND THAT IS IT FOR BIG TICKET ITEMS THIS EVENING.

NO ADDENDUM INTRODUCTION CONSIDERATION OF BYLAW 16.1 BYLAW 22-100 BEING A BYLAW TO REGULATE ANIMAL CONTROL AND ENSURE RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE SECOND COUNCILLOR MANN.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.

CLOSED SESSION MOVER TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR. SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR THAT'S CARRIED.

WE'RE NOW MOVING TO CLOSE. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING.

[17. CLOSED SESSION (if applicable)]

OH, WE HAVE TO GO UPSTAIRS FOR CLOSED SESSION, EVERYBODY.

HAVE A MOVER TO COME OUT OF CLOSED SESSION, MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN SECOND BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED WE'RE NOW OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.

MISS BRAY, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. YOUR WORSHIP.

THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE REPORT OF THE HUMAN RESOURCES COORDINATOR BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE AGREEMENT REACHED BETWEEN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND THE ELLIOT LAKE PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION AND THAT THE APPROPRIATE BYLAW [INAUDIBLE] EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES.

NO. OKAY.

ROLL CALL VOTE.

I'M IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.

CONFIRMATORY BYLAW 18.1 BYLAW NUMBER 22-102 BEING A BYLAW TO CONFIRM THE PROCEEDINGS OF COUNCIL AT ITS MEETING HELD ON TUESDAY, OCTOBER 11TH, 2022.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? IF NONE, ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.

AND THE MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

THANK YOU ALL AGAIN FOR A GREAT EVENING.

WE'RE NOW ADJOURNED. GOOD LUCK ON THE ELECTIONS.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.