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[1. CALL TO ORDER]
JUNE 26TH, 2023.ROLL CALL. ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT COUNCILLOR SEIDEL.
THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING HELD BY COUNCIL UNDER SECTION 34 OF THE PLANNING ACT.
THE PUBLIC MEETING IS TO CONSIDER A PROPOSED ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT IS TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIPLE DWELLING SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO R-2M-2 ZONE TO THE RESIDENTIAL MULTIPLE DWELLING SPECIAL EXEMPTION X R-2M-X ZONE IN ORDER TO PERMIT A CONSIGNMENT SHOP FOR CLOTHING AS A HOME BASED BUSINESS ACCESSORY TO THE DWELLING, ALLOWING FOR SALE OF GOODS, WARES AND MERCHANDISE PRODUCED ELSEWHERE TO BE SOLD ON THE PREMISES AND NOTICE OF CIRCULATION AND APPEAL STATEMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANNING ACT. THE PUBLIC IS THE PUBLIC MEETING IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE PLANNING ACT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANNING ACT, NOTICE MUST BE GIVEN AT LEAST 20 DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC MEETING IS HELD.
NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS PROVIDED VIA MAIL TO RESIDENTS AND LANDOWNERS WITHIN 120M OF THE PROPERTY AND A SIGN WAS POSTED ON THE PROPERTY.
IF A PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE AN ABILITY TO APPEAL THE DECISION OF THE CITY TO THE ONTARIO LAND TRIBUNAL, BUT THE PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY DOES NOT MAKE ORAL SUBMISSIONS AT A PUBLIC MEETING OR MAKE WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS TO THE CITY BEFORE THE BYLAW IS PASSED.
THE PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY IS NOT ENTITLED TO APPEAL THE DECISION.
IF A PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY DOES NOT MAKE ORAL SUBMISSIONS AT A PUBLIC MEETING OR MAKE WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS TO THE CITY BEFORE THE BYLAW IS PASSED, THE PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY MAY NOT BE ADDED AS A PARTY TO THE HEARING OF AN APPEAL BEFORE THE ONTARIO LAND TRIBUNAL.
UNLESS, IN THE OPINION OF THE TRIBUNAL, THERE ARE REASONABLE GROUNDS TO DO SO.
[3.1 Application for Zoning By-Law Amendment]
ON THE APPLICATION.THIS EVENING WE ARE WELCOMING SARAH VEREAULT ON ZOOM.
SHE'S UNMUTED. HELLO, I'M SARAH FROM JL RICHARDS.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? SARAH, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? SARAH, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW.
SO MY COLLEAGUE NIKITA IS ALSO ON THE LINE AND SHE WILL BE THE ONE GIVING THEIR REVIEW OF THE REPORT, AND WE COULDN'T HEAR YOU, THOUGH.
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YES, WE CAN.I WORK WITH SARAH VEREAULT AT J.L.
RICHARDS AND HAVE PREPARED THIS REPORT FOR TODAY.
SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT IS TO PERMIT A CONSIGNMENT SHOP FOR CLOTHING AS A HOME BASED BUSINESS ACCESSORY TO THE DWELLING, ALLOWING FOR THE SALE OF GOODS, WARES AND MERCHANDISE PRODUCED ELSEWHERE TO BE SOLD ON THE PREMISES.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS MUNICIPALLY ADDRESSED AS 72 FROBEL DRIVE AND THE PROPERTY IS OF RECTANGULAR SHAPE WITH AN AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 441M² AND APPROXIMATELY 12M OF FRONTAGE ON FROBEL DRIVE.
CURRENTLY, THE PROPERTY IS OCCUPIED BY A ROWHOUSE DWELLING, DETACHED GARAGE AND SHED AND THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTH, WEST AND SOUTH.
THE LANDS TO THE EAST HAVE SOME RECREATION AND COMMERCIAL USES.
SO THE APPLICANT HAS INITIATED A ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT TO PERMIT A CONSIGNMENT SHOP FOR CLOTHING AS A HOME BASED BUSINESS ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ACCESSORY TO THE EXISTING DWELLING.
IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CONSIGNMENT SHOP WHICH HAS BEEN OPERATING AS LITTLE BRITCHES CONSIGNMENT IS CURRENTLY OPERATING ON THE PROPERTY AND HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR THE PAST YEAR WITH NO COMPLAINTS OR CONCERNS RECEIVED.
THE CONSIGNMENT SHOP SELLS SECOND HAND BABY AND CHILDREN'S CLOTHING AND OTHER SMALL MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. THE BUSINESS OPERATES PRIMARILY ONLINE, WITH CUSTOMERS PICKING UP ORDERS OR CONSIGNORS DROPPING OFF THEIR CONSIGNMENTS.
THERE IS NO RETAIL COMPONENT WITHIN THE DWELLING.
SO NEXT I'LL BE PROVIDING A BRIEF PLANNING ANALYSIS.
SO STARTING WITH A PROVINCIAL POLICY STATEMENT, SECTION 1.1.B STATES THAT HEALTHY, LIVABLE AND SAFE COMMUNITIES ARE SUSTAINED BY ACCOMMODATING EMPLOYMENT USES TO MEET LONG TERM NEEDS.
SO NEXT, I'LL BE MOVING ON TO THE OFFICIAL PLAN.
SO THIS PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL.
IN THE OFFICIAL PLAN, SECTION 4.4 OF THE OFFICIAL PLAN CONTAINS POLICIES ON DEVELOPING AND SUSTAINING AN ECONOMICALLY PROSPEROUS COMMUNITY, WHICH INCLUDE TO CONTINUE THE GROWTH AND CULTURAL DIVERSITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AS A MODERN, WELL CONNECTED COMMUNITY WITH BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES.
SECTION 4.7 OF THE OFFICIAL PLAN CONTAINS POLICIES ON HOME BASED BUSINESSES AND NOTES THAT TO PROVIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, IT IS THE POLICY OF COUNCIL TO PERMIT A HOME BASED BUSINESS.
THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY A LOW RISE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING WHICH IS PERMITTED ON THE SUBJECT LANDS.
THE PROPOSED HOME BASED BUSINESS SUPPORTS LOCAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND GIVEN THE DROP OFF PICK UP NATURE OF THE BUSINESS, IT IS NOT ANTICIPATED TO HAVE ADVERSE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT.
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SO SECTION 5.6 OF THE ZONING BYLAW CONTAINS SOME PROVISIONS FOR HOME BASED BUSINESSES AND IT DETAILS WHICH USES ARE PERMITTED ACCESSORY TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE. AS OF RIGHT, THESE HOME BASED BUSINESSES INCLUDE DOMESTIC ARTS AND PROFESSIONAL USES.THE PROPOSED CONSIGNMENT SHOP DOES NOT INCLUDE.
AS SUCH, A ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT IS REQUIRED TO PERMIT THE PROPOSED HOME BASED BUSINESS.
THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD ALSO PERMIT THE HOME BASED BUSINESS WOULD PERMIT THE CONSIGNMENT SHOP ONLY FOR CLOTHING TO LIMIT THE SCALE OF OPERATIONS, AND THERE ARE THERE ARE ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS IN THE ZONING BYLAW FOR HOME BASED BUSINESSES.
WITHOUT GETTING INTO ALL OF THEM, I'M GOING TO LIST SOME OF THE KEY ONES FOR THIS APPLICATION.
SO THE FIRST STATES THAT IF THE BUSINESS IS LOCATED IN THE PRIMARY DWELLING, NO MORE THAN 25% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE DWELLING SHALL BE USED FOR SUCH PURPOSES. SO IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT APPROXIMATELY 19.9M² OF THE EXISTING DWELLING IS USED FOR THE CONSIGNMENT SHOP, AND THIS IS LESS THAN 25% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE DWELLING.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO PROPOSED TO MOVE THE OPERATION OF THE CONSIGNMENT SHOP TO THE DETACHED GARAGE, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 33.6M², WHICH WOULD ALSO RESULT IN LESS THAN 25% OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE DWELLING.
NEXT. IT STATES THAT THERE SHALL BE NO EXTERNAL DISPLAY OR ADVERTISING OTHER THAN A LEGAL SIGN.
THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT THERE IS NO SIGNAGE FOR THE BUSINESS CURRENTLY.
NEXT. THE ZONING BYLAW STATES THAT THERE SHALL BE NO GOODS, WARES OR MERCHANDISE OTHER THAN ARTS AND CRAFTS PRODUCED OR PRODUCTS USED ON THE PREMISES, OFFERED OR EXPOSED FOR SALE OR RENT ON THE PREMISES OR OUTSIDE THE PREMISES.
HOWEVER, THE BUSINESS IS CURRENTLY OPERATING.
IT DOES NOT REQUIRE EXPOSURE OF THE OFFERED GOODS.
THE DROP OFF AND PICK UP OF CONSIGNMENT ITEMS ARE FACILITATED THROUGH THE APPLICANT'S ONLINE STORE, AS WAS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, AND APPROXIMATELY 0 TO 5 DROP OFFS AND PICKUPS ARE ANTICIPATED PER WEEK, FROM WHICH NO ADDITIONAL NUISANCE IS ANTICIPATED.
NEXT. THE HOME BASED BUSINESS SHALL BE CLEARLY SECONDARY TO THE MAIN RESIDENTIAL USE AND SHALL NOT CHANGE THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE DWELLING HOUSE OR DWELLING UNIT. THE APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED THAT LESS THAN 25% OF THE CURRENT DWELLING IS USED FOR THE HOME BASED BUSINESS.
NO CHANGES TO THE EXISTING DWELLING ARE PROPOSED THROUGH THIS APPLICATION.
AS SUCH, THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE DWELLING IS MAINTAINED.
SECTION SIX STATES THAT ANY BUSINESS OR COMMERCIAL USE ONE PARKING SPACE PER 27.8M² OF AREA IS REQUIRED. APPROXIMATELY 19.9M² OF THE EXISTING DWELLING IS USED FOR THE CONSIGNMENT BUSINESS AND THEREFORE ONE PARKING SPACE IS REQUIRED FOR THIS BUSINESS.
ONE PARKING SPACE IS ALSO REQUIRED FOR THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING.
THE APPLICANT HAS CONFIRMED THAT TWO PARKING SPACES ARE AVAILABLE ON THE PROPERTY AND THEREFORE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DWELLING AND THE HOME BASED BUSINESS COMBINED ARE SATISFIED. LASTLY, NO ADDITIONAL SPECIAL PROVISIONS ARE PROPOSED THROUGH THIS APPLICATION AS NO CHANGES ARE PROPOSED TO THE STRUCTURES ON THE PROPERTY AND THE EXISTING DWELLING COMPLIES WITH THE APPLICABLE ZONING PROVISIONS OF ITS CURRENT ZONE.
IN TANDEM WITH THIS REPORT AND FOLLOWING THE CIRCULATION OF THE PUBLIC NOTICE.
SEVERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED.
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OPERATION. THE PROPOSED CONSIGNMENT SHOP FOR CLOTHING AS A HOME BASED BUSINESS WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE ZONING PROVISIONS FOR HOME BASED BUSINESSES, SOME OF WHICH I'VE LISTED, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WOULD EFFECTIVELY LIMIT ITS SCALE AND IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREAS.WITH THIS IN MIND, WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, NIKITA.
COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR MORRISSETTE.
IF WE PROCEED WITH THIS AND CHANGE THE ZONING AND THE APPLICANT LEAVES THAT UNIT LATER ON, DOES THAT STAY WITH THE HOUSE OR THE UNIT ITSELF AT 72 FROBEL.
THE ZONING STAYS LIKE THAT OR DOES IT REVERT BACK TO THE RESIDENTIAL ZONING ? SO I CAN JUMP IN AND ANSWER THAT ONE.
THE ZONING TYPICALLY STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
THERE I GUESS WOULD POTENTIALLY BE THE OPPORTUNITY WE COULD ATTACH ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS TO THE RECOMMENDED ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT THAT COULD PUT SOME SORT OF EITHER TIME FRAME OR CONNECT IT TO THE OPERATOR, BUT TYPICALLY THE ZONING STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF.
SO THE MAIN PART OF THESE PURCHASES ARE DONE ALL ONLINE SO PEOPLE WON'T BE COMING TO THE GARAGE TO BROWSE OR WILL BE THE BROWSING GOING ON.
DO YOU WANT ME TO. I CAN TAKE THAT.
SO FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING AND FROM THE WAY THE ZONING BYLAW IS CURRENTLY STRUCTURED, NONE OF THE PRODUCTS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE CAN BE DISPLAYED.
SO THE GARAGE WILL NOT BE OPERATING SUCH THAT PEOPLE COULD COME AND BROWSE.
THE IDEA IS FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING, THE IDEA IS THAT POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS WOULD BE VIEWING THE ITEMS ONLINE AND THAT THEY WOULD JUST BE DOING THE PICK UPS AND DROP OFFS IN PERSON.
HOW COMMON IS THIS KIND OF REZONING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IN ONTARIO? I CAN JUMP IN THERE. I THINK THAT'S REALLY ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
SOME ARE FAR MORE RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE SEEN A COUPLE HERE IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, SO THIS IS THE SECOND ONE.
COUNCIL MAY REMEMBER LAST YEAR IT MAY HAVE BEEN WITH THE PREVIOUS SESSION OF COUNCIL, BUT WE DID DO A ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT AS WELL FOR A SIMILAR TYPE OF OPERATION IN TERMS OF A REFILLERY WHERE GOODS WERE SOLD ON THE PREMISES THAT WEREN'T ACTUALLY MANUFACTURED OR MADE ON THE PREMISES.
SO WE ARE SEEING TOO, BUT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT MEANS THAT IT'S A COMMON THING.
CERTAINLY EACH APPLICATION IS REVIEWED UPON ITS OWN MERITS, SO WE REVIEW IT BASED ON THE LAND THAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE USE, THE TYPE OF USE THAT'S GOING ON, THE OPERATIONS ON THE PROPERTY, REVIEW IT AS NIKITA WENT THROUGH IN TERMS OF THE PROVINCIAL POLICY STATEMENT, THE CITY'S OFFICIAL PLAN, AS WELL AS THE ZONING PROVISIONS TO COME TO OUR RECOMMENDATION, AND EACH APPLICATION WOULD THEN BE REVIEWED ON THAT CASE BY CASE BASIS.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU, SARAH AND NIKITA.
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COUNCIL, BUT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APPLICANT.SO, ROBIN HILTS IS THE APPLICANT AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND MAKE A PRESENTATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? I HAVEN'T ACTUALLY PREPARED A STATEMENT, BUT [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE COME UP TO THE MIC.
OKAY. I HAVEN'T PREPARED A PRESENTATION AT ALL.
I'M VERY AWFUL IN SOCIAL SITUATIONS, BUT I'M PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY HAS.
[INAUDIBLE] ONLY THOSE THAT HAVE APPLIED TO COME TO THE PODIUM IN TURN? OKAY, THAT'S FINE. OKAY, COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF, GO AHEAD.
THANK YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MS. HILTS. SO EXACTLY HOW LONG HAS HAVE YOU HAD YOUR THE BUSINESS UP AND RUNNING, MS. HILTS I LAUNCHED MY WEBSITE ON OCTOBER 15TH IN 2022.
THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, I GUESS.
HAVE THERE BEEN ANY OTHER COMPLAINTS OR CONCERNS RAISED IN THE LAST YEAR SINCE--NOT THAT I KNOW OF.
THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS HILTS.
SO NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM THOSE WHO HAVE REQUESTED TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION.
[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS]
WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM.PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR ENTIRE STATEMENT AS THE PUBLIC MEETING IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION AND AT THE DISCRETION. THERE'S TWO MINUTES PROVIDED FOR EACH STATEMENT.
FIRST FROM THE LIST IS MICHAEL CAMPBELL VIA ZOOM.
YOU'LL HAVE TO UNMUTE HIM. MR. CAMPBELL. CAN YOU UNMUTE.
MR. CAMPBELL, CAN YOU UNMUTE? IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, CAN I GO LATER? YOU'RE THE FIRST ON THE LIST.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING.
OKAY. NEXT WOULD BE CAN YOU MUTE YOUR MIC, PLEASE? THANKS. PAULA [INAUDIBLE].
I'M COMING IN LIEU OF WE SIGNED A LETTER TOGETHER.
SO, PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD, YOUR NAME.
MY NAME IS JOYCE MELBOURNE, AND YOUR ADDRESS? 76 FROBEL DRIVE.
I DID NOT BRING A COPY OF THE LETTER THAT I SENT TO YOU, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT WE KNEW A WHOLE LOT MORE ONCE WE GOT HERE ABOUT WHAT THIS BUSINESS WAS ABOUT, BUT IT TURNS OUT THAT THE BUSINESS HAS ALREADY BEEN GOING FOR A YEAR AND IT'S ONLINE AND THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS YET, AND THAT PROBABLY MAKES SENSE, BUT WE'VE GOT A SITUATION HERE WHERE SHE'S PLANNING ON MOVING INTO A BIGGER AREA.
PEOPLE VIEWING HER MERCHANDISE ONLINE.
IT'S ATTACHED HOUSING, AND AT THE END OF EVERY SIXTH UNIT, THERE IS A BREAK, AN END UNIT , AND MISS HILTS IS IN ONE OF THOSE END UNITS WITH AN EXTRA GARAGE.
I FIND THAT EVEN WHEN I HAVE VISITORS COMING IN FROM OUT OF TOWN TO FIND THE EXTRA PARKING SPACE IS IS DIFFICULT AND DURING THE WINTER IT IS VERY DIFFICULT.
WE GET LOTS OF SNOW AND WE DON'T KNOW WHERE TO PUT IT.
BY THE TIME FEBRUARY COMES, THIS IS ABSOLUTE CHAOS.
WE DON'T NEED ANY EXTRA TRAFFIC WHATSOEVER, AND IT'S NOT CLEAR FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR WHETHER
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THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE COMING TO THIS PLACE.OBVIOUSLY, SHE'S WANTING TO EXPAND, SO THAT'S GOING TO MEAN MORE TRAFFIC, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT'S PERMITTED ACCORDING TO THE ZONING IS OPEN TO QUESTION.
AS FAR AS THE ZONING PERMIT IS CONCERNED, THAT'S ANOTHER LITTLE PROBLEM.
IF THIS ZONING GOES WITH THE HOUSE, AND LET'S SAY SHE HAS HER CONSIGNMENT SHOP.
WHAT HAPPENS IF SHE SELLS? WHAT DO WE GET THERE? IT'S A PLACE THAT'S ZONED FOR BUSINESS.
SO THAT COULD BE A FURTHER PROBLEM DOWN THE ROAD.
ALSO, TOO, IT DOESN'T SEEM AS IF IT'S RESTRICTED TO NECESSARILY CLOTHING, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WILL START TO BE INCLUDED, AND WILL WE FIND OUT LATER ON THAT THERE'S EXCESS MERCHANDISE BEING LEFT OUTSIDE THE BUILDING SO THAT IT BECOMES UNSIGHTLY AFTER A WHILE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING DOWN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THE DETAILS HERE ARE FRANKLY VAGUE AND WE'VE GOT A CROWDED NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS I'VE ALREADY SAID, I CAN'T EMPHASIZE THAT ENOUGH, AND TO CRAM INTO WHAT LITTLE SPACE WE'VE GOT AT THE END OF A UNIT AND TO CRAM IN A BUSINESS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
SHE'S GONE ONLINE NOW THAT COULD BE EASILY DONE.
IF IT'S WITHIN THE HOUSE AND YOU'RE SHIPPING STUFF OUT.
OKAY. THE NEXT PRESENTER IS ROMEO BERNIER.
WE'VE GOT, LIKE, FIVE MINUTES TO GO.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, SIR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
WE KNOW THERE WAS STUFF GOING ON IN THE GARAGE [INAUDIBLE] AND HOUSE, LOTS OF STUFF IN THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A BUSINESS STARTED.
WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING BECAUSE NOBODY SAID A WORD.
SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'RE FACED WITH A SITUATION WHERE THIS HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR A YEAR.
THE TRAFFIC ON FROBEL HAS INCREASED SO MUCH IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
IT STARTED WHEN THEY BLOCKED OFF EAST AND SOUTH TO DO SOME THROUGH WORK AT THE BOTTOM OF 108 AND THE TRAFFIC WAS REROUTED TO FROBEL.
WE HAVE PEOPLE COME TO VISIT OR THEY WANT TO MAKE A DELIVERY.
THE STREET IS CROWDED AND PEOPLE ARE DRIVING FAST, AND WE ALSO HAVE THESE KIDS ON THESE LITTLE BOARDS ON THE SIDEWALKS GOING ABOUT 15, 20, 30 KIDS AN HOUR, AND THEY'RE ZIPPING BY BACK AND FORTH.
WE HAVE LOTS OF KIDS ON THE ROAD NOW, AND I LIKE ALL I'M SEEING IS A BIG DISASTER COMING UP.
WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL SOMEONE GETS KILLED, HAVE A SERIOUS ACCIDENT TILL WE DRAW A LINE? WELL, I'M SORRY, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD BE A HUGE MISTAKE IF THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN ONLINE BUSINESS, AND LIKE THE LADY SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T NOTICED ANYTHING.
ONCE PEOPLE KNOW THEY CAN GO THERE AND SEE PRODUCT, ARE THEY GOING TO STAY AWAY? I DON'T THINK SO, AND IN THE WINTER TIME, WE CAN'T EVEN LEAVE OUR DRIVEWAY WITHOUT CAUTIOUSLY GOING OUT TO THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE TOWNHOUSES.
WE GOT SNOW BAGS THIS HIGH AND THE FRONTAGE IS ABOUT 20FT, SO THERE'S NO ROOM TO EVEN PARK ON THE ROAD.
IT'S CRAZY AND THE SPEED THE VEHICLES ARE TRAVELING.
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IT'S SCARY AT TIMES.WE HAVE ATVS FLYING UP THE ROAD.
WE HAVE DIRT BIKES FLYING UP THE ROAD LIKE IT'S CHANGED COMPLETELY, AND I THINK THIS IS INSANE IDEA.
I'M SORRY, BUT I'M I HAVE TO BE TOTALLY AGAINST IT BECAUSE WHAT STARTS OFF AS SOMETHING CAN GRADUALLY CHANGE AND WHO'S GOING TO COMPLAIN? IT TAKES YEARS TO GET THAT CHANGED AGAIN.
SO ALL I CAN SAY IS, I'M SORRY, BUT THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA.
NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO MR. CAMPBELL, PLEASE.
OH, MY NAME IS MICHAEL CAMPBELL.
I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT ON FROBEL DRIVE HERE FOR SIX YEARS NOW.
COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS? I PERSONALLY AM NOT FOR THIS AT ALL.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.
TRAFFIC IS HEAVY ENOUGH ON THE STREET.
CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD? MY ADDRESS, 57 FROBEL.
THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY HEAVY ENOUGH ON THE STREET AND I SEE MORE CARS COMING.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALSO CONSUMERS WHO ARE GOING TO BE SAYING, WHAT'S THIS PLACE ABOUT? LET'S GO SEE AND MY CONCERN IS YOU'RE GOING TO TURN THE STREET INTO ANOTHER KENSINGTON MARKET LIKE THERE IS IN TORONTO AND NOT GOOD FOR A RESIDENTIAL AREA AT ALL. OKAY.
I AM AGAINST IT. YEAH. THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO I'VE JUST BEEN INFORMED IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME UP TO SPEAK, YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT, MR. MARTIN, BUT YOU CAN COME UP.
YOU DON'T HAVE MY NAME? NO, SIR.
ON THE PAPER. I BROUGHT IT IN, I DELIVERED IT, AND I GOT THE GIRL TO SIGN IT ON THE FRONT.
IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO OPEN THIS, AND THIS IS MY MARTIN GARNETT.
GARNETT MARTIN? YEP 68 [INAUDIBLE]. THANK YOU.
NOW, I'M THE ONE THAT GOT THE PETITION THERE.
I BROUGHT THAT IN. YOU GOT A COPY OF THAT? YOU SHOULD HAVE. IT WAS DELIVERED IN TO THE CLERKS IN OUR PACKAGES.
YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT NOW I'VE HAD, WHAT, 60 SOME NAMES ON THERE.
SOME OF THEM I WENT BY, TALKED TO THE PEOPLE.
A LOT OF THEM COME OVER TO MY PLACE AND TALKED ABOUT IT.
THE BIGGEST COMPLAINT IS REZONING THE AREA BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENED WITH JUST RENTALS AROUND THERE. SO REZONING AN AREA, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE ON COUNCIL WOULD LIKE THEM TO REZONE THEIR AREA WHERE THEY'RE LIVING.
THAT'S ONE OF THE STATEMENTS, AND THEN THE OTHER PART, A LOT OF PEOPLE BROUGHT UP A LOT OF PEOPLE.
WHAT? YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT? NO, MR. CAMPBELL.
TURN OFF YOUR MIC. MR. CAMPBELL, TURN OFF YOUR.
YOU MEAN I SAID ALL THIS FOR NOTHING? [CHUCKLING] NO. WE COULD HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR.
WE HEARD. I CAN TURN OFF THE MICROPHONE.
OKAY. ANYWAY, A LOT OF THE OTHER STUFF, TOO, THAT THE PARKING WAS, BUT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP, AND THE BIGGEST QUESTION A LOT OF PEOPLE COME IN TO TALK TO ME ABOUT, AND I'VE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE I'VE BEEN ON THAT CORNER FOR 29 YEARS, SO I KNOW EVERYBODY.
I WALK EVERY DAY DOWN THAT SECTION.
WHY NOT BRING THIS BUSINESS? WHY DON'T THEY HAVE IT IN TOWN? THERE'S A LOT OF OPEN PLACES IN TOWN.
THAT HAVE PLACES FOR RENT THAT ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR BUSINESSES TO COME IN THERE.
SO WHY CAN'T THEY BRING THEIR BUSINESS IN A BUSINESS AREA, REGULAR HOURS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE? BECAUSE THERE THERE'S NOTHING SAID ABOUT REGULAR HOURS, AND THERE'S 60 PEOPLE JUST AROUND THE AREA OF FROBEL AND [INAUDIBLE] THAT REALLY DON'T GO FOR THIS PLAN AT ALL.
AT ALL, AND YOUR NAMES? YOU HAVE THE NAMES THERE, THE SIGNATURES AND THE ADDRESSES.
THAT'S WHY PEOPLE COME BACK HERE.
I THOUGHT I'D RETIRE UP HERE, WORK MY LAST 17 YEARS HERE.
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RETIRE HERE.QUIET. DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THAT QUIET, AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE IF THEY START REZONING AREAS AND MAKE THEM BUSINESS AREAS WHERE IT'S ALL SENIORS. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.
OKAY. THANK YOU. SO MISS VEREAULT, SARAH FROM JL RICHARDS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND BRIEFLY TO A FEW OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RECEIVED.
IT SOUNDS LIKE GENERALLY THE NATURE OF THE COMMENTS RELATES TO NOT WANTING A BUSINESS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AS WELL AS COMMENTS REGARDING PARKING AND TRAFFIC AND CLARITY IN TERMS OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE BUSINESS. SO JUST VERY BRIEFLY, BASED ON WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THE OPERATIONS OF THE BUSINESS TO BE THAT IT IS ONLINE AND THAT THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED TO ESSENTIALLY MOVE WHERE THE GOODS ARE STORED INTO THE GARAGE, BUT THAT THIS WOULD STILL OPERATE AS AN ONLINE BUSINESS FOR PICKUP AND DROP OFF.
ONLY PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE COMING INTO THE DWELLING OR THE GARAGE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE GOODS, TO KIND OF SHOP IN A GENERAL WAY THAT YOU WOULD SHOP IN A RETAIL FACILITY.
WE CAN LOOK, IF COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT APPROVING THIS AMENDMENT, WE COULD LOOK AT TIGHTENING UP THE WORDING IN THE AMENDMENT TO ACTUALLY SPECIFY THAT.
SO TO SPECIFICALLY LIMIT IT TO AN ONLINE STORE WITH VISITATION TO THE SITE FOR PICKUP AND DROP OFF ONLY IF THAT WOULD PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORT TO THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS TO COUNCIL TO AGAIN, FURTHER RESTRICT THE ACTIVITY AND THE SCALE AND SCOPE OF THE BUSINESS ON THE PROPERTY.
IT WAS MENTIONED THAT THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN IN OPERATION FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
THERE ARE SEVERAL TYPES OF HOME BASED BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALREADY PERMITTED IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE ZONING BYLAW, BUT THE RETAIL OF THE SELLING OF GOODS THAT AREN'T MADE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF AND A VERY SPECIFIC SET OF GOODS THERE, THAT'S NOT PERMITTED AS A HOME BASED BUSINESS, AND SO WHEN THE APPLICANT WAS INFORMED OF THAT, SHE WAS MADE AWARE OF HER OPTIONS IN TERMS OF RELOCATING OR FINDING A DIFFERENT SITE OR PURSUING A ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT.
SO SHE IS TAKING THE STEPS TO RECTIFY THAT SITUATION, AND I WOULD NOTE AS WELL, JUST IN TERMS OF HOME BASED BUSINESSES IN GENERAL, THAT CERTAINLY THERE ARE COMMERCIAL LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE BIGGER COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES LOCATE IN THE FULLNESS OF TIME IN THOSE COMMERCIAL AREAS OF THE CITY, HAVING HOME BASED BUSINESSES AND HAVING A RANGE OF TYPES OF HOME BASED BUSINESSES IS A GOOD WAY FOR PEOPLE TO MAYBE START SOMETHING OUT TO TEST THE WATERS A BIT AND THEN I THINK IT IS THE INTENTION GENERALLY FOR THAT BUSINESS TO RELOCATE TO A COMMERCIAL SPACE.
SO I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IN THEIR RESPONSE DID MENTION THAT IN THEIR LETTER.
SHE MIGHT BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
SO WE'LL START WITH MISS HILTS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP AND RESPOND? ABOUT THE BYLAW THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION I RECEIVED IN THE MAIL.
LIKE I SAID IN MY LETTER, IT WAS I OVERLOOKED THAT IN MY RESEARCH.
I'M A SINGLE STAY AT HOME MOM AND A CAREGIVER FOR MY DAD.
A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC AT MY HOME IS MY DAD'S.
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SO FOR ME TO BE WORKING A REGULAR 9 TO 5 JOB, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO BE AWAY.I THAT I CAN DELIVER IN TOWN, I WILL GO DO IT WHEN I'M TAKING MY SON TO DAYCARE.
I DON'T WANT TO BE IN AND OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY ALL DAY.
I DO IT WHEN I'M ALREADY ON MY WAY OUT TO DO ERRANDS OR WHATEVER.
LIKE I SAID, I HAVE ABOUT 0 TO 5 PEOPLE COME TO MY HOUSE THAT IS RELATED TO MY BUSINESS, WHETHER IT'S A DROP OFF OR A CONSIGNMENT OR SOMEBODY PICKING UP AN ORDER, I WOULD SAY FIVE IS A GOOD WEEK.
LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN OPERATING SINCE OCTOBER.
I WASN'T KEEPING MY BUSINESS A SECRET.
I WAS ADVERTISING MY BUSINESS.
I HANDED OUT FLYERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE AND THERE.
NOT A WHOLE LOT, BUT IT WAS ABSOLUTELY NOT A BUSINESS.
OTHERWISE I'D BE MAKING OR A SECRET OR I'D BE MAKING NO MONEY.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT ELLIOT LAKE IS VERY MUCH A RETIREMENT TOWN, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE YOUNG PEOPLE HERE TOO, AND HOW MANY SCHOOLS DO WE HAVE WITH CHILDREN THAT ATTEND THEM? I'M TRYING TO OFFER SOMETHING THAT THE TOWN DOESN'T HAVE.
THERE'S A LOT OF LOW INCOME PEOPLE HERE THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO DRIVE TO SUDBURY TO GO SHOPPING FOR CLOTHING AND I HAVE A LOT OF REPEAT CONSIGNMENTS.
I HAVE BIG GOALS FOR MY BUSINESS.
I WANT TO VERY MUCH OPEN A RETAIL SETTING, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M STILL IN THE TESTING THE WATERS STAGE OF MY BUSINESS AND I DON'T HAVE THE INCOME TO PAY FOR A RETAIL STORE AT THE MOMENT.
I DO WANT TO BRING IN OTHER PRODUCTS.
I CARRY TEETHERS, PACIFIER CLIPS, SWADDLES LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT, LIKE NURSING COVERS, CAR SEAT COVERS. THAT'S KIND OF THE SORT OF THING I'M GOING FOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE ANSWERED EVERYBODY'S QUESTIONS, BUT I DID WRITE A LETTER THAT I REPLIED TO ALL THE COMMENTS I RECEIVED ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH THE TRAFFIC AND THE PARKING.
I DO NOT WANT PEOPLE COMING IN MY GARAGE TO SHOP.
THIS IS MY HOME WHERE I HAVE A FAMILY AND MY KID.
I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
SO THERE'S NO REASON FOR ANYBODY TO BE PARKED ON THE STREET.
I DO NOT THINK THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT MY NEIGHBORS AT ALL.
I FEEL LIKE I'VE COVERED EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. JUST A QUESTION OF THE PROPONENT AND MISS VEREAULT, WILL YOU BOTH BE ATTENDING THE OPEN PART OF OUR COUNCIL MEETING? TYPICALLY, COUNCIL DOES NOT ASK QUESTIONS DURING THE PUBLIC.
WE LISTEN, SO MY QUESTIONS WILL COME UNDER 7.2, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU. SO WE ARE RUNNING A BIT LATE.
MR. MARTIN, ONE QUICK QUESTION.
OKAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER'S COMMENTING, THEY DON'T THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA.
THEY MOVED IN; HAPPY THEY MOVED IN.
I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING GOING ON.
THERE'S 60 PEOPLE HERE THAT SIGNED THE PETITION.
THAT'S ONLY A LITTLE GROUP IN THE AREA.
IT'S A RETIREMENT LIVING AND THAT'S HOW THEY WANT TO KEEP IT.
I FEEL BAD FOR SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO COME IN, BUT THEY KNEW THAT WHEN THEY MOVED IN THERE.
SO AND I'VE HAD LOTS OF COMMENTS JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY WHEN I'M OUTSIDE.
SO THAT'S ABOUT ALL I CAN SAY ABOUT IT.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MARTIN. THANK YOU.
OKAY. THE PUBLIC MEETING PROCESS IS NOW COMPLETE.
COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER THE COMMENTS RECEIVED ON THE PROPOSED BYLAW AMENDMENT.
THIS PUBLIC MEETING IS NOW CLOSED AT THE HOUR OF 7:14 P.M..
THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.