Apr 28, 2025 City Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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DATED MONDAY, APRIL 28TH, 2025, 7 P.M.. I'LL CALL TO ORDER.

ROLL CALL, ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT COUNCILLOR MANN SENDS HIS REGRETS.

ARE THERE ANY DECLARATIONS OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST? GOING ONCE. TWICE. OKAY. ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES.

[4. ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES]

A MOVER COUNCILLOR BULL SECONDED COUNCILLOR SEIDEL.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. THERE'S NO PUBLIC INPUT THIS EVENING.

NO PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS. 7, INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS.

[7. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS]

MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT THE MEMO FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REGARDING AN UPDATE ON THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM FUNDING BE RECEIVED.

A MOVER COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF SECONDED COUNCILLOR MORRISSETTE, MR. ANTUNES. GOOD EVENING YOUR WORSHIP. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

A LITTLE WHILE AGO IN MARCH OR BACK IN THE MONTH OF MARCH, WE DID COME TO COUNCIL.

AND COUNCIL DID PASS A RESOLUTION TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY FUNDING FOR THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAM PROVIDED HERE IN ELLIOT LAKE BY THE COUNSELING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA.

THE THIS MEMO IS TO INFORM COUNCIL THAT THROUGH THE HARD AND DILIGENT WORK BY OUR PARTNERS AT COUNSELING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA, THEY'VE SECURED FUNDING THROUGH ONTARIO HEALTH FOR THAT ROLE.

SO WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL TO TO MISS MARY MARGARET FULLER AND HER TEAM THERE FOR SECURING THAT FUNDING SO THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE TO PROVIDE IT.

WE DID GET THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE MOBILE OR, SORRY, THE MINISTRY OF THE SOLICITOR GENERAL'S COMMUNITY SAFETY POLICING GRANT HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED AND STAFF ARE WORKING ON SOME OPTIONS WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE OPP TO IDENTIFY SOME OPTIONS FOR AN APPLICATION.

AND WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT FORWARD AT A SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL MEETING. SO JUST AN FYI THAT WE SAVED JUST OVER $21,000 ON THAT ASK THAT WE HAD OF COUNCIL.

AND AGAIN, MANY THANKS TO THE DILIGENT WORK OF THE CCA TO GET THAT DONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. ANTUNES. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IS THIS POSITION NOW FUNDED THROUGH THE END OF THIS YEAR, OR FOR HOW LONG INTO THE FUTURE? THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP. THE DEMANDS FOR THE ONTARIO HEALTH FUNDING IS A LITTLE BIT EASIER, FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE TEAM AT THE CCA.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WILL BE FOR SUBSEQUENT YEARS GOING FORWARD AS WELL.

WHERE WE HAD TO RELY ON A FUNDING ASK AND THEN MAKE A CASE FOR IT AS FAR AS REPORTING STATISTICS.

IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE TEAM AT CCA THAT THIS WILL BE AN ONGOING FUNDING UNTIL WE HEAR DIFFERENT BUT AS OF NOW, THE ASSUMPTION IS IT'S ONGOING FUNDING THROUGH ONTARIO HEALTH.

OKAY. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. 7.2. MEMO FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REGARDING AGREEMENT OF PURCHASE AND SALE FOR 1000642698 ONTARIO, INC.. MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT THE MEMO FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REGARDING AN AGREEMENT OF PURCHASE AND SALE FOR LANDS AT THE CORNER OF ESTEN DRIVE NORTH AND HIGHWAY 108, BE RECEIVED.

A MOVER COUNCILLOR BULL SECONDED COUNCILLOR MORRISSETTE, MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.

ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA, COUNCIL AND FOLKS WATCHING AND FOLLOWING THE AGENDA, WE'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A BYLAW TO ENTER, AN AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE AND SALE WITH CORPORATION 100642698 ONTARIO, INC.

FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE LANDS THAT CORNER ESTEN DRIVE NORTH AND HIGHWAY 108.

THE LOT IS IDENTIFIED IN COUNCIL'S AGENDA PACKAGE THIS EVENING.

WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THIS IN CLOSED SESSION BEFORE WE WENT FORTH AND NEGOTIATED WITH THE PROPONENT.

THE AGREEMENT PURCHASE SALE DOES FOLLOW THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR OTHER AGREEMENTS, INCLUDING A COVENANT FOR MINIMUM BUILD SIZE.

IN THIS CASE, IT'S 1000FT² AND A COMMITMENT TO HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT COMPLETED WITHIN THE 24 MONTHS.

OF COURSE, THE PURCHASER COVERS THE CITY'S LEGAL COSTS AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS. WE'VE EXTENDED THE CLOSING 120 DAYS AS THE PURCHASER DOES NEED TO GET BOTH A ZONING AND OFFICIAL PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS COMPLETE. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND AS WITH OTHER AGREEMENTS, PURCHASE AND SALE AND OTHER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, WE DO ALLOW FOR THE PROPONENT TO RELEASE THE INFORMATION AND THEIR PLANS TO THE PUBLIC IN

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NOT WANTING TO STEAL THEIR THUNDER, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO, IF THE ZONING AND OFFICIAL PLAN AMENDMENT AREN'T SUCCESSFUL AND THEY DO CHOOSE TO SEEK ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE MUNICIPALITY, WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY WHAT THEY'RE DOING UNTIL THAT'S COMPLETE. SO IN RESPECT FOR THE CLIENT, WE AND THE PURCHASER AGAIN, WE'LL LEAVE IT TO THEM TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN MARKETING PLAN.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MAY HAVE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU, MR. ANTUNES. I KNOW YOU CAN'T ELABORATE, BUT THIS IS ANOTHER GOOD NEWS STORY BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF SOME MORE NEW COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN ELLIOT LAKE.

THROUGH YOUR WORSHIP. YES, SIR, COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF, THAT'S WHAT OUR GOAL IS, IS, IS TO INCREASE TAXATION IN THE MUNICIPALITY BY GETTING LAND SOLD AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, CREATING EMPLOYMENT INCOME, EMPLOYMENT REVENUE IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND THIS IS ANOTHER GOOD SIGN THAT INVESTORS SEE THE VALUE IN OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY TO SPEND MONEY AND SPEND SIZABLE AMOUNTS OF MONEY TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY.

SO IT IS VERY MUCH A GOOD NEWS STORY. YES, SIR.

YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. 7.3 REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REGARDING CIP APPLICATION FOR PROPERTY TAX INCREMENT GRANT FOR AJ BUS LINES. MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT THE REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DATED APRIL 17TH, 2025 BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE APPLICATION BY AJ BUS LINES FOR THE PROPERTY TAX INCREMENT GRANT UNDER COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PLAN. A MOVER COUNCILLOR SEIDEL SECONDED COUNCILLOR MORRISSETTE, MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU WE'VE SEEN THESE ACCOUNTS BEFORE, SO I WON'T GO TOO, TOO DEEP INTO EXPLAINING. BUT TO ECHO SOME OF COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF COMMENTS EARLIER ON, THIS IS CONTINUES A GOOD NEWS STORY OF DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. BUSINESSES DON'T APPLY FOR THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PLAN TAXATION GRANT UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING AND UNLESS THEY'RE THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS ONE'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING.

WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK WITH THE VERY CAPABLE HELP OF MR. GOULDING TO PUSH US THROUGH THE HYDRO DEVELOPMENT ON FOX DRIVE.

WE'RE NOW STARTING TO SEE A BIT OF A LIGHT AT THE END OF THAT TUNNEL. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S EVEN SOME POLES THAT WERE DROPPED OFF ON FOX DRIVE OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS.

SO GETTING SOME OF THE PAPERWORK TAKEN CARE OF FOR OUR PROPONENTS THAT ARE DEVELOPING ON FOX DRIVE, AJ BUS LINES BEING ONE OF THEM. SO AGAIN, GETTING SOME OF THIS CLEARED UP SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND START SITE PLAN CONTROL AGREEMENTS AND, AND GROWING AND FROM OUR SIDE, COLLECTING SOME PROPERTY TAXES.

SO I'LL LEAVE IT TO ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MIGHT END UP BEING MR. GOULDING, JUST THE FOX DRIVE AREA HYDRO HAS BEEN AN ONGOING PROJECT FOR FOREVER, ESPECIALLY FOR YOU.

SO IT MUST BE GETTING A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IF AJ BUS LINES IS APPLYING FOR THE TAX INCREMENT SAVINGS.

CAN CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE UPDATE ON WHERE THAT'S AT OR? THANK YOU. YES. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR QUITE A WHILE WITH HYDRO ONE TO TRY AND SERVICE THE LOTS AT FOX DRIVE ELECTRICALLY. I THINK FROM A HIGH LEVEL, THE CONFUSION, I'VE MADE THESE COMMENTS BEFORE AT COUNCIL. THE CONFUSION HAPPENED WHEN WHEN COUNCIL AT THE TIME DECIDED TO ACT AS A DEVELOPER RATHER THAN A MUNICIPALITY.

AND THAT'S NOT SO MUCH A SLIGHT, IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE LEARNING WHAT WE DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY KNOW.

WHEN WE SOLD THE LOTS ON FOX DRIVE, WE SOLD THEM WITH AGREEMENTS TO THE BUYERS SAYING THAT THEY WOULD BE SERVICED, AND IN THIS INSTANCE, IT MEANT SERVICED WITH WATER AS WELL AS POWER.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT WE SOLD THEM OFF BEFORE PUTTING THE POWER IN, AND WE SOLD THEM OFF WITHOUT A FIRM TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION FOR EACH PURCHASERS HYDRO SERVICE THAT THEY REQUIRED.

SO HYDRO GENERALLY DOESN'T LIKE OVER INSTALLING EQUIPMENT.

SO WE HAD A BIG TECHNICAL HURDLE TO GET OVER BECAUSE THEY HAD TO SPECIFY SERVICES FOR BUSINESSES THAT THEY REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR, FOR AND THEY DIDN'T LIKE THAT, THAT TOOK YEARS.

AND THEN THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE COMING TO A CLOSE ON NOW IS AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO ALLOW HYDRO TO THE RIGHT TO INSTALL ON THE PROPERTIES, AND FOR THAT, THEY NEED AN EASEMENT.

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SO WE'RE KIND OF CHASING OUR TAIL WITH LEGAL PROCESSES ON ALL OF THIS.

IT'S COMING TO A CLOSE. HYDRO HAS BEEN REALLY EASY TO WORK WITH AS OF LATE, THEY WANT TO SEE THIS.

IT'S WHILE THEY'RE POSTURING THAT THEY WANT TO SEE THIS COME TO A CLOSE AS MUCH AS WE DO.

SO YEAH, IT'S THANKFULLY COMING TO A CLOSE AND GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

OKAY, THAT'S REALLY GOOD NEWS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COMMENT? NO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? YEP. THAT'S CARRIED.

7.4 REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REGARDING CIP APPLICATION FOR PROPERTY TAX INCREMENT GRANT FOR KSD LANDSCAPING.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT THE REPORT FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DATED APRIL 17TH, 2025 BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE APPLICATION OF KSD LANDSCAPING FOR THE PROPERTY TAX INCREMENT GRANT UNDER COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PLAN. A MOVER COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF SECONDED COUNCILLOR BULL, MR. ANTUNES. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU. LAST ONE FOR ME HERE.

SO THE STEP OFF OF THE LAST ONE. SAME PROCESS, SAME TAX INCREMENT GRANT UNDER THE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT ONE, ANOTHER GREAT BUSINESS IN TOWN WHO IS MOVING TO START UP THEIR FIRST COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, KSD LANDSCAPING. SMALL BUSINESS, EXCITING TO SEE THEM GROW, ESTABLISH THEMSELVES IN A PHYSICAL LOCATION, AND MATURING AS A CORPORATION TO OFFER MORE SERVICES TO THE COMMUNITY AND EMPLOY MORE STAFF, SO IT'S GREAT TO SEE. THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY PURCHASED IS OVER ON PERRINE ROAD.

AND AGAIN, THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THEIR SITE PLAN CONTROL PROCESS, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS TO COUNCIL IN A TIMELY FASHION TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T MISS OUT ON ANYTHING. BUT AGAIN, VERY EXCITING THAT ANOTHER BUSINESS IS INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY AND PUTTING UP A BUILDING.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. 7.5 REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF CLERKS AND PLANNING SERVICES REGARDING APPOINTMENT OF AN INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER. MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL APPOINT TONY FLEMING OF CUNNINGHAM SWAN CARTY LITTLE AND BONHAM AS THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER FOR THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE FOR A TERM OF THREE YEARS, AND THAT THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER BE REQUESTED TO REVIEW AND UPDATE THE CITY'S CODE OF CONDUCT FOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND LOCAL BOARDS, IF NECESSARY, AND THAT THE APPROPRIATE BYLAW BE PASSED TO ENACT THIS DECISION. A MOVER COUNCILLOR MORRISSETTE SECONDED COUNCILLOR SEIDEL, MISS BRAY.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SO THE REPORT BEFORE YOU RECOMMENDS THE APPOINTMENT OF TONY FLEMING AS THE CITY'S INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER FOR A THREE YEAR TERM.

THIS FOLLOWS THE RECENT RETIREMENT OF OUR PREVIOUS INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER AND THE NEED TO AVOID ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE INTERIM ARRANGEMENTS.

MR. FLEMING IS A FAMILIAR, TRUSTED ADVISOR WHO PREVIOUSLY SERVED THE CITY WITH PROFESSIONALISM AND FAIRNESS.

HIS REAPPOINTMENT PROVIDES A SEAMLESS, COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION REQUIRING MINIMAL ONBOARDING WHILE ENSURING CONTINUITY OF SERVICE THROUGH THE NEXT ELECTION TERM.

THERE IS NO ANNUAL RETAINER. SERVICES ARE BILLED ONLY WHEN USED AT A COMPETITIVE HOURLY RATES.

STAFF ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT, ONCE APPOINTED, MR. FLEMING BE ASKED TO REVIEW AND UPDATE THE CITY'S CODE OF CONDUCT TO ENSURE IT REMAINS CURRENT WITH LEGISLATION AND BEST PRACTICES. THIS RECOMMENDATION SUPPORTS OUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY AND GOOD GOVERNANCE, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, MISS BRAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

JUST CAN YOU GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE PROCESS FOR UPDATING THE CODE OF CONDUCT? SURE. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SO I'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH ONE, BUT AS MOST POLICIES, WE WOULD HAVE OUR IC REVIEW MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

IT WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND PASSING.

PERFECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP NOT A QUESTION, JUST A COMMENT.

YOU KNOW, I'M PROUD TO SAY THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT REALLY USED THE SERVICES OF THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER AS MUCH AS THE PREVIOUS COUNCILS.

AND THAT'S I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE. THIS IS JUST A RESOURCE THAT WE LIKE TO USE, IF ANY OF US HAVE A QUESTION ON HOW TO CONDUCT OUR BUSINESS AND FOR TRAINING AND THINGS.

SO I THINK IT'S IT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO LET'S JUST CLARIFY A FEW THINGS.

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OKAY. AND MR. FLEMING HAS BEEN EMPLOYED BY THE CITY BEFORE? ALSO CORRECT. SO HE WAS OUR INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE, FROM 2017 TO 2020.

AND JUST A FINAL QUESTION. COMPARING THE RATES FROM OUR PAST COMMISSIONER TO THIS COMMISSIONER.

WHAT WHAT WOULD THE NUMBERS BE? YEAH. SO IN MY REPORT, IT'S NOTED MR. FLEMING'S HOURLY RATE WOULD BE $2.95 PER HOUR.

AND I BELIEVE OUR CURRENT INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER COMES IN AT $3.20.

SO THERE'S A BIT OF A SAVINGS THERE AS WELL. A LITTLE BIT OF SAVINGS.

OKAY. THE OTHER TWO NAMES MENTIONED AT LESSER, THOSE ARE I'VE NEVER ENCOUNTERED THAT.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. SO THOSE ARE OTHER MEMBERS OF THAT FIRM.

SO DEPENDING ON THE TOPIC. SO HE WOULD APPOINT THE SOLICITOR BEST TO DEAL WITH WITH THE QUESTION AT HAND.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY LAST QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU. JUST CURIOUS SO IF WE ARE ENGAGING THEM TO DO RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CODE OF CONDUCT, IS THERE A MAXIMUM CAP ON HOW MUCH WE'RE WILLING TO SPEND? IF COUNCIL WANTS TO IMPOSE ONE, WE CAN. IT'S A IT'S A REGULAR PROCESS.

IT'S JUST ANOTHER POLICY OF THE CITY. SO IT WOULD I DON'T ANTICIPATE A VERY HIGH COST.

IT COULD BE ABSORBED IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET. YOU'D SIMPLY BE REVIEWING IT, HE ALREADY HAS A GOOD GRASP ON OUR CODE OF CONDUCT, AS HE DID SERVE AS OUR IC BEFORE. SO JUST A VERY WE DID HAVE BRIEF CONVERSATIONS, AND HE WAS PRETTY MUCH IN AGREEMENT WITH THE MAJORITY OF IT, JUST TO ENSURE WE'RE CURRENT WITH LEGISLATION AND BEST PRACTICES.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AND THAT IS CARRIED. SO THERE'S NO PRESENTATION OF COMMITTEE REPORTS.

NO OUTSIDE BOARD OR COMMITTEE REPORTING. UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

[10. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]

MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE PROCUREMENT OF CONSULTING SERVICES FROM JOHNSON CONTROLS IN THE AMOUNT OF $136,635 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES FOR THE PRODUCTION OF A FINAL REPORTING DELIVERABLE TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S APPROVED FCM GREEN MUNICIPAL FUND GRANT APPLICATION, AND THAT MONIES TO SUPPORT THESE COSTS BE DRAWN FROM THE CITY'S BUILDING AND FACILITIES RESERVE. A MOVER COUNCILLOR MORRISSETTE A SECONDER COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE, MR. GOULDING. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU TO COUNCIL.

WE DISCUSSED THIS AT LENGTH ON APRIL 14TH. AND MR. DEBERTOLI WISELY SUGGESTED AFTER WE HASHED IT OUT FOR QUITE A WHILE THAT WE DEFER THIS TO TONIGHT TO TONIGHT.

SO I MADE SOME EFFORTS IN MY SUPPLEMENTARY REPORT TO ADDRESS DIRECTLY SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD COMING BACK FROM COUNCIL AS SIMPLY AS I COULD. AND IN ORDER TO ASSIST IN CLARIFYING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL MIGHT HAVE, I'VE BROUGHT JOE MEYER AND MARK LUSSIER FROM JOHNSON CONTROLS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

WE WENT MANY, MANY PLACES LAST LAST TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS, AND I'M HAPPY TO AGAIN, IT'S JUST THAT I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO LEAD INTO THIS PRESENTATION, HOW I HOW I MIGHT USUALLY DO. SO I THINK IT MIGHT BE MOST APPROPRIATE IF I JUST SUGGEST YOU ASK QUESTIONS AGAIN.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. GOULDING. AND WELCOME THANK YOU FOR JOINING US THIS EVENING.

APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS TO START.

COUNCILLOR MORRISSETTE. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

FROM WHAT I'VE BEEN READING, THIS SEEMS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET THAT GRANT.

THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START. SO FROM FROM A HIGH LEVEL, WHEN WE ENGAGE JOHNSON CONTROLS TO DO THEIR ESCO PROJECT, WHICH IS A SEPARATE PROJECT WE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD GET WE THOUGHT THAT JUST NATURALLY ARISING FROM THEIR EFFORTS, WE WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA REQUIRED TO ACCESS

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THAT WAS A MISAPPREHENSION. I SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD THAT UNDERSTANDING.

BUT YES, IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE APPROVED GRANT FUNDING FROM FCM, WE NEED TO DO SOME WORK THAT'S NOT REFLECTED IN ANY OF THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH JOHNSON CONTROLS.

TO SEE THIS THIS GRANT THROUGH, TO REALIZE WHAT'S REQUIRED IN ORDER TO GET THE GRANT FUNDING THAT'S PRESCRIBED BY FCM. OKAY. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

BUT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS LIKE $238,000, COULD THIS COST BE ADDED TO THAT $238,000? THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

YES. WITHOUT VERIFYING THE NUMBER. YES. SO THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS THE THE AMOUNT OF CONSULTANCY THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD OVERLAP WITH THE EFFORTS REQUIRED TO MEET THE FCM GRANT FUNDING.

AND WHAT JCI WAS GOING TO DO IN THEIR ESCO PROJECT ANYWAY.

THE TERMS OF THE GRANT THAT WE APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED WAS THAT THEY WOULD COVER 80% OF COSTS THAT WE INCURRED UP TO $200,000.

SO ONCE WE SPEND MORE THAN $240,000, WE CAN BE ASSURED OF RECEIVING $200,000.

SO AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION, WE SAID JCI WOULD BE THEY THEY LOOKED AT THE ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES IN THE GRANT APPLICATION AND THEN SAID, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT KIND OF WORK TO THE TUNE OF THIS MUCH MONEY, SO WE ARE ELIGIBLE AND FCM AGREED. ONE FINAL QUESTION.

NOW, IF WE GO AHEAD WITH THIS, ARE WE ALMOST LIKE GUARANTEE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE $200 NOW.

THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. COUNCILLOR MANN ASKED ME THE SAME QUESTION TWO WEEKS AGO.

THE WORD GUARANTEED HAS A SPECIFIC MEANING, AND I THINK COUNCIL KIND OF GOT TRIPPED UP ON THAT, MOSTLY BECAUSE I REALLY RESPECT THE WORD GUARANTEED.

SO MY ANSWER IS STILL NO. BUT IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME HOW LIKELY IS IT THAT WE WOULD GET PAID OUT BY FCM I WOULD SAY VERY LIKELY. THIS IS THE CLOSEST, CLOSEST THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT WHERE IF WE FUND SOMETHING FOR $140,000, WE WILL GET $200,000 BACK. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU, OR TO MR. GOULDING I'M NOT SURE WHO, BUT. ON ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS THAT WE DID ASK, WHICH YOU YOU WROTE DOES FCM CAPITAL FUNDING UNDER THE GMF REQUIRE MEETING PERFORMANCE TARGETS? AND YOU ANSWERED IT ON THIS REPORT, FCM MANDATES DEMONSTRATES GHG REDUCTIONS 50% OVER 10 YEARS AND 80% OVER 20 YEARS. HOWEVER, OUR CITY WILL FACE SOME CHALLENGES TO GET THIS DONE.

RIGHT. SO MY QUESTION IS, SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THIS REPORT ARE YEARS OR THEY MAY NOT HAPPEN AT ALL.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T? CAN THEY CLAW THE MONEY BACK? OR IF THEY SAY LIKE, OKAY, LOOK, YOU GUYS TOOK THIS MONEY, YOU'VE COMMITTED TO CHANGING ALL THE DEHUMIDIFIERS ALL OVER ELLIOT LAKE OR YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY MY QUESTION. THANK YOU, I DO. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, I APPRECIATE THAT THIS IS CONFUSING BECAUSE IT'S CONFUSING EVEN TO ME.

SO THE GRANT THAT WE'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR IS, IS FOR A STUDY, A PLAN TO DEMONSTRATE HOW WE MIGHT ACHIEVE NET ZERO IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S NOT A COMMITMENT TO DO SO. IT'S TO INVESTIGATE WAYS IN WHICH WE COULD.

SO THE PIECE OF THE REPORT THAT YOU'RE MAKING REFERENCE TO IS IN REFERENCE TO CAPITAL FUNDING THAT'S AVAILABLE FROM FCM AS WELL. SO THE IDEA IS THAT IF WE DO THIS, IF WE OFFER CONSIDERATION TO HOW WE MIGHT EVENTUALLY MEET NET ZERO, AND WE MAKE THIS PLAN FOR WHICH WE'VE BEEN ISSUED A GRANT FOR $200,000, THEN WE BECOME ELIGIBLE TO LOOK AT OTHER CAPITAL GRANT FUNDING THROUGH FCM. WE CAN TAKE OUT LOANS OR BE OFFERED GRANT FUNDING,

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IF WE WANTED TO PUT SOLAR PANELS ON CITY HALL, WE'D PROBABLY BE COMPLIANT FOR THE TERMS OF THAT CAPITALIZATION.

WOULD WE EVER DECIDE TO DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL TO DECIDE THE MERITS OR NOT OF DOING THAT.

IS THAT IN THE SCHEDULE OF PROJECTS THAT I AM INTENDING TO BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS? NO IT'S NOT. JUST TO FOLLOW UP. SO I SORT OF GET WHAT YOU SAID HERE.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IN ANOTHER WAY IS WE NEED TO GET THIS FIRST GRANT APPROVED.

SO DOWN THE ROAD THAT MIGHT GIVE US IT ACCESS TO OTHER GRANTS.

THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THAT'S EXACTLY THE RATIONALE FOR ENGAGING IN THIS ACTIVITY.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR SEIDEL. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MR. GOULDING. IS THERE AN EXPIRY DATE OR ANYTHING ON THAT FCM REPORT? LIKE, WILL THIS BE SOMETHING LIKE IF WE DON'T ACHIEVE THOSE YOU KNOW, THE SAVINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OR WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THE REPORT AGAIN IN FOUR YEARS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THANK YOU, THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. YEAH. I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO GO ONE WAY, YOU WENT ANOTHER.

THE SIMPLE ANSWER TO THAT IS, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S ALL SUBJECT TO THE FCMS APPETITE TO CHANGE THEIR PROGRAMING.

WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO THE PROGRAM COORDINATOR.

I'VE TRIED TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN MY REPORT, FCM IS HOLDING US TO ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR THE GRANT FUNDING THAT IS THEIR PREVIOUS GENERATION OF THEIR PROGRAM. WE HAD SPOKEN TO THEM FOR OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR.

AND THROUGH THAT TIME THEIR THIS PARTICULAR GRANT FUNDING HAD ELIGIBILITY AND PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE NOW.

THOSE, THOSE THOSE REQUIREMENTS CHANGED IN MAY OF 2024.

AND OUT OF GOODWILL, THE PROGRAM COORDINATORS AT FCM ARE HOLDING US TO THE THE PREVIOUS PROGRAM'S REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE LESS STRINGENT.

THEY REALLY HAVE AN APPETITE FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO TO UPTAKE ON THIS PROGRAM.

AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A FLAVOR OF HOW THEY WILL POSITION THEMSELVES, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GOOD INDICATOR THAT THEY WANT TO WORK WITH MUNICIPALITIES TO, TO ACHIEVE THESE GOALS. THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU AND I'M GUESSING THIS IS MR. GOULDING OR THE FOLKS FROM JCI.

BUT JUST TO RECAP SOME OF THE FACTS THAT WE HEARD IN THE LAST MEETING, JCI HAD WORKED WITH FCM IN DECEMBER OF 2024 OR SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT TIME, AND WE WERE CLEAR ON WHAT THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS WERE THAT WAS WRITTEN INTO THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAD WITH JCI.

AND BY THE TIME I THINK IT WAS SEPTEMBER CAME AROUND, THE REPORTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENTS CHANGED IN MAY OF 2024. IS THAT CORRECT? THANK YOU.

THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SIMPLY, NO. SO THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE WITH JCI ARE FROM FOR A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT, OUR ESCO PROJECT. WE THOUGHT A NATURAL BYPRODUCT OF THAT WAS GOING TO BE BEING ABLE TO SATISFY THIS CONTRACTS WITH JCI DO NOT INCLUDE THE WORK THAT'S REQUIRED TO DELIVER ON WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THIS FCM GRANT.

THEY'RE STRICTLY RELATED TO THE ESCO PROJECT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM.

SO WE WERE TRYING TO KILL TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE, AND IT TURNS OUT THAT WE WE CAN'T.

SO IN THE PDAS THAT WE HAVE WITH JOHNSON CONTROLS, THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD HELP US APPLY FOR GRANTS.

AND THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT. THEY HELPED US APPLY FOR THIS GRANT.

WE WERE SUCCESSFUL. WE THOUGHT THAT REPORTING ON THE MATERIAL THAT THEY WERE GENERATING FOR THEIR ESCO PROJECT WOULD SATISFY FCMS REQUIREMENTS, IT DOES NOT. SO ALL OF THAT CAME TO PASS IN DECEMBER 2024, YOU'RE CORRECT.

BUT THE STATEMENT THAT WE HAD ALREADY ENGAGED JCI TO DELIVER ON THAT, THEY JUST DID THAT AS A CUSTOMER SERVICE ACTIVITY.

OKAY, SO FOLLOW UP QUESTION. SURE. SO WHAT ASSURANCES DO WE HAVE THAT FCM WON'T CHANGE THEIR REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FROM NOW UNTIL SEPTEMBER?

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CORRECT? THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

SO I THINK I SAID OCTOBER TO GIVE OURSELVES A MONTHLY WAY, BUT THAT'S HARDLY MATERIAL.

THUS FAR, FCM HAS REALLY SHOWN GOODWILL AND HOLDING US TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR THE PREVIOUS REQUIREMENTS.

I'VE SPOKE WITH SPOKEN WITH THE COORDINATOR FOR THE PROGRAM, AND SHE'S TOLD ME THAT WITHIN 2 TO 3 WEEKS, WE CAN EXPECT A REVISED CONTRACT FOR A CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER TO TO SIGN WITH FCM TO COMMIT TO THE GRANT TERMS. AND ONCE THAT'S SIGNED, BOTH PARTIES ARE ARE COMMITTED TO DELIVERING ON THE TERMS OF THAT AGREEMENT.

SO I THINK I MIGHT HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION IN THAT.

YES. THANK YOU. SURE. GO AHEAD. SO A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT, WOULD IT NOT MAKE MORE SENSE TO WAIT THREE WEEKS TO GET THAT AGREEMENT SIGNED BEFORE WE APPROVE THIS? THANK YOU. THROUGH YOUR YOUR YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

THAT'S FINE. I CAN TAKE DIRECTION TONIGHT FROM COUNCIL SAYING THAT THAT'S THEIR APPETITE IN THE WAY THAT THEY WANT TO PROCEED.

WE CAN LET OUR PARTNERS AT JCI KNOW THAT THEY CAN TENTATIVELY ARRANGE FOR CONSULTANCY, AND WE CAN COME BACK WITH A REPORT THAT HAS TWO BYLAWS ATTACHED. ONE TO WELL, ACTUALLY. WE'RE NOT ENTERING AN AGREEMENT WITH JCI TONIGHT.

I'M JUST GETTING EFFECTIVELY GETTING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL BECAUSE IN ORDER TO SIGN A CONTRACT, WE NEED A BYLAW. THERE'S NO BYLAW ON THE AGENDA SO WE COULD HARMONIZE THOSE TWO THINGS WHEN THE CONTRIBUTION AGREEMENT IS AVAILABLE FROM FCM.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR BULL. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU TO MR. GOULDING. I'M GETTING A LITTLE CONFUSED. SO THIS IS JUST ONE GRANT.

ARE WE ABLE TO GO BACK FOR MORE GRANTS LATER ON? SO THIS REPORT THAT IS GOING TO BE DONE. YOU'LL ANSWER THAT QUESTION FIRST, PLEASE.

THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. YES.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS ARRANGEMENT DOES NOT PRECLUDE US FROM APPLYING FOR ANY OTHER GRANTS IN THE FUTURE WITH FCM OR ANYONE ELSE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THROUGH YOU FOLLOW UP, I GUESS ANY OTHER GRANT APPLICATIONS THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COST US $130,000 FOR $200,000 WORTH OF GRANT? OR DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHAT AN APPLICATION MIGHT COST US IN THE FUTURE? THANK YOU. THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SO IT'S NOT AN ABSTRACT QUESTION AT ALL, BUT I'M GOING TO STRUGGLE TO NOT GIVE AN ABSTRACT ANSWER. EVERY GRANT PROGRAM HAS ITS OWN REQUIREMENTS.

AND SOME SOME OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS WE CAN MEET IN-HOUSE AS STAFF.

SOME SOME GRANTS ARE JUST A MATTER OF, FOR LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION, ASKING WITH A VERY COMPREHENSIVE ASK THAT'S USUALLY PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES LONG WITH LOTS OF DETAIL.

BUT NO REAL TECHNICAL INSIGHT REQUIRED JUST TO EXPLAIN THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, MAKE A REQUEST TO THE FUNDING PROGRAM.

THIS PAST FALL, WE WENT THROUGH AN EXERCISE WITH JOHNSON CONTROLS TO APPLY TO AN ONTARIO GRANT FOR WATER IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT IN SOME UPCOMING REPORTING.

WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN IN PROCURING $2.7 MILLION WORTH OF SUPPORT FROM THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT, THAT THAT PROCESS WAS VERY ONEROUS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I COULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN ON AS SPECIAL PROJECTS MANAGER HERE. I DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO EVEN DISCUSS A LOT OF THE THINGS WITH ANY CREDIBILITY THAT ARE IN THE APPLICATION.

OUR PDA WITH JOHNSON CONTROLS SUPPORTED THAT ACTIVITY.

SO YES, WE PAID FOR THAT AND I THINK WE GOT VALUE FOR THAT, SO.

A SIMPLE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS SOMETIMES MAYBE IT'S IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE PROGRAM OFFERING WHETHER WE NEED TO, TO ENGAGE WITH CONSULTANCY TO APPLY FOR GRANTS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I COULD I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH SPENDING $130,000 OR WHATEVER TO GET $60,000.

BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE SPEND THIS $130,000 AND THAT INFORMATION CAN BE USED TOWARDS OTHER GRANTS, AND MAYBE THAT SORT OF MAKES SENSE IN A WAY THAT WILL GET THE $200,000, MAYBE IN FUTURE GRANTS.

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SO THIS PROGRAM, ALTHOUGH WE'RE I DON'T WANT TO SAY ABUSING IT, BUT WE'RE LEVERAGING THIS AVAILABILITY OF THIS PROGRAM TO OFFSET SOME EXPENSES THAT WE'RE INCURRING WITH A PARALLEL PROJECT. BUT REALLY, THE INTENT OF THE FCM GREEN BUILDINGS FUND IS TO ENCOURAGE MUNICIPALITIES TO LOOK AT WAYS WHERE THEY COULD POSSIBLY ACHIEVE NET ZERO AND PRODUCE THAT OFFER THAT CONSIDERATION SO THAT SO THAT ACROSS CANADA, CITIES CAN FIGURE OUT HOW THEY MIGHT SAVE ENERGIES FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

THAT'S THE FEDERAL MANDATE FOR THIS PROGRAM. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT WE'RE ENGAGING IN A SIMILAR PROJECT WHERE WE THOUGHT WE COULD OFFSET THAT. BUT THE THE PURPOSE REALLY IS TO TO DO THE STUDY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MIGHT SAVE ENERGY.

SO IT'S NOT THAT IS WHAT THE $200,000 IS FOR IS FOR THAT INITIATIVE.

WE JUST THOUGHT THAT WE WERE ENGAGED IN A SIMILAR ENOUGH INITIATIVE THAT THAT WOULD JUST NATURALLY OCCUR.

IT TURNS OUT THAT WE'RE WE WERE WRONG IN THAT ESTIMATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU. DO I GET A TURN OR DO YOU? OH, NO.

GO AHEAD COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF. THANK YOU. YOUR WORSHIP.

I JUST WANT TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. I'M TRYING TO AGREE WITH YOU HERE, MR. GOULDING. SO WE DID THREE PDAS WITH JCI FOR $1.2 MILLION.

YES. THOSE ARE BASICALLY WHAT YOU LIKE TO CALL ESCO PROJECTS.

YES. AND THE ESCO PROJECTS ARE WHERE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THEIR BUILDINGS AND THEN SAYING, WE HAVE TO CHANGE ALL THE LIGHTING IN ELLIOT LAKE, OR WE HAVE TO DO WHATEVER, I'M JUST GUESSING AT DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND YOU ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GET THIS GRANT BECAUSE WE WERE DOING THAT GREEN.

WHAT THESE GUYS DO FOR A LIVING, IS THAT RIGHT, YOU GUYS? THE GREEN LIGHT, THE BUTTON PUSH. THAT'S RIGHT.

I STOOD UP IN CASE ANYBODY COULDN'T SEE ME. OH, WE'VE HEARD YOU.

WE'VE HEARD YOUR NAME SO MANY TIMES AT COUNCIL WE HAVE TO HEAR SOMETHING FROM YOU. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

YEAH. SO THE PDAS ARE TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THREE FOR $1.2, AS YOU SAID. THIS $200,000 GRANT REALLY, IT'S FOR A CARBON FEASIBILITY PATHWAY THAT'S SEPARATE AND ABOVE THIS. AND AS FAR AS JCIS BUSINESS INTEREST IS CONCERNED, WE'RE INDIFFERENT TO THE FEASIBILITY ROADMAP.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS SERVE THE MUNICIPALITY ON THE PROJECTS.

HOWEVER, IT'S REVEALED THAT WE THOUGHT THAT AS A BYPRODUCT OF DOING THE THREE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, DEVELOPING THE THREE PROJECTS, WE'VE DONE ENOUGH WORK TO HAVE THE DATA TO QUALIFY FOR THE GRANT AS AN AUTOMATIC AS A BYPRODUCT.

IT TURNED OUT THAT ONCE THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS CAME OUT, THAT IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE A TRANSFER OF INFORMATION THAT WE'VE ALREADY COLLECTED AND WORK THAT WE'VE ALREADY DONE. SO MR. GOULDING HAS ASKED, WHAT CAN WE STILL DO? WHAT CAN WE STILL ACHIEVE? AND THE DELIVERABLE IS WE CAN DELIVER A CARBON FEASIBILITY ROADMAP, AND IT COULD TURN OUT TO BE $63,000 OR SO NET POSITIVE FOR THE MUNICIPALITY.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE. BUT AS FAR AS JCI IS CONCERNED, IT'S IT'S A IT'S A SERVICE THAT WE JUST WANT TO OFFER IF THE MUNICIPALITY CHOOSES.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO I THINK ONE OF THE STUMBLING BLOCKS, THE LAST MEETING IS THE VALUE OF THE ROAD MAP.

AND THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE, WELL, COUNCIL SORT OF STRUGGLING.

IS IT WORTH THE INVESTMENT? I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO NET $60,000, $60,000 YOU'D ALL TAKE IT IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT TODAY.

SO THERE IS POSITIVITY TO THE MONEY. WHAT I'M TRYING TO GATHER IS, IS THIS, LIKE A GOLDEN TICKET INTO FCM FOR HOW MANY YEARS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR ANY GRANTS THAT THEY ARE SORT OF SUPPLYING? IN SHORT, NO, THE PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO INCENTIVIZE MUNICIPALITIES TO OUTLINE A PATHWAY, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A GOLDEN TICKET INTO ANY OTHER GRANTS.

IT CAN BE LEVERAGED, POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF WORK THAT ALREADY WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN AND IS LIKELY TO HAVE TO HAPPEN.

SO IT'S A GOOD TOOL TO HAVE IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE THAT DELIVERABLE.

BUT IT'S I WOULDN'T CALL IT A GOLDEN TICKET, NO.

SO BUT IT IS GOOD TO PAD YOUR RESUME, LET'S SAY MOVING FORWARD WITH FCM.

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HOW MUCH DOES FCM GIVE EVERY YEAR? THANK YOU.

THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW.

OKAY. I WILL CONTEXTUALIZE THIS FOR COUNCIL A LITTLE BIT, THOUGH.

IF YOU REMEMBER RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS COUNCIL'S TERM, WE MADE AN APPLICATION FOR AN ARTS CENTER DESIGN.

AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THROUGH THIS SAME PROGRAM.

THERE'S A CAP PLANNING STREAM AND THERE'S A CAPITAL STREAM.

WE TRIED TO ACCESS THE CAPITAL STREAM RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS COUNCIL'S TERM.

WE WERE UNSUCCESSFUL IN IT, BUT IN ORDER TO APPLY, WE ENGAGED THE SERVICES OF AN ARCHITECTURE FIRM TO AND SOME CONSULTANCY, THEN TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE BUILDING THAT WE INTENDED TO BUILD AT THAT TIME WAS GOING TO BE A NET ZERO BUILDING.

AND AND SO IT'S NOT UNTHINKABLE THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE APPETITE TO ENGAGE THIS KIND OF FUNDING AT SOME SCALE IN THE FUTURE, PERHAPS NOT AT THAT SCALE, BUT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

OKAY. COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU, JUST AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT TO, I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS TWO WEEKS AGO COUNCIL MEETING WAS WE HAVE A FEDERAL ELECTION HAPPENING TONIGHT, AND THERE MAY BE A POSSIBILITY THAT FEDERAL FUNDING MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE WITH THE NEW GOVERNMENT TAKING OVER.

SO PERSONALLY, I WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING AN AGREEMENT SIGNED WITH FCM BEFORE WE PROCEED ANYWAY WITH IN ANY DIRECTION WITH THIS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. I GUESS MY LAST COMMENT WOULD BE THAT YOU'RE STILL GETTING $60,000.

YOU ARE GETTING HELP TO PROCURE A DOCUMENT THAT POTENTIALLY CAN GET US IN A STREAMLINE OF GRANT FUNDING QUICKER THAN OTHER COMMUNITIES. RIGHT.

IT'S READY. IT'S IT'S READY TO GO. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, ESPECIALLY WHERE WE LIVE AND WHAT WE DEAL WITH HERE.

AND ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL CAN DO TO IMPROVE THAT, WHETHER IT IS A PATHWAY, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN US PLANNING A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION FOR RUNNING THE CITY. AND TECHNICALLY, WE'RE NOT REALLY LOSING MONEY.

WE'RE GAINING SOME MONEY AS LONG AS WE GET THE GRANT.

BUT WE CAN'T GET GUARANTEES, RIGHT? AND THE OUTLOOK IS GOOD TO REALIZE THIS GRANT THAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR.

I GUESS MY FEELING IS THAT WE CAN GO FOR IT, AND I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR ONE LAST ROUND OF QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

COUNCILLOR MORRISSETTE. THE WAY I SEE IT, WE'RE SAVING OR WE MAY GAIN $63,000, BUT LATER ON IT MAY WE MAY GAIN MORE WITH MORE GRANTS AND MORE SAVINGS WITH ELECTRICITY AND SO ON AND SO ON.

SO I I'M FOR I GO AND GET THIS DONE. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILLOR BULL. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. AT FIRST I WAS AGAINST THIS, AND I GUESS IT WAS JUST DUE TO THE LACK OF THE INFORMATION THAT I HAD AT THE TIME. AND AFTER TONIGHT, AND LISTENING TO THE THE GENTLEMAN FROM JCI, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT INTO THIS, AND I'LL BE FOR IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS? COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE. JUST A COMMENT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE HAVING A SIGNED DOCUMENT WITH FCM THAT THEIR REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE, BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS WE SPEND $136 K, THEIR DOCUMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO CHANGE.

IT MAY COST US YET ANOTHER $95 K TO GET THAT $200 GRAND.

BY THEN WE'RE ALREADY $135 IN, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO RECOUP THE LOSS.

AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING WORKED WITH GOVERNMENT FUNDING AND HAVING GRANT APPLICATIONS IN THE PAST, THOSE REQUIREMENTS CHANGE CONSTANTLY. SO I WOULD LIKE SOME TYPE OF ASSURANCE THAT THEY GIVE US HERE'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED AND THAT JCI SAYS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WILL DELIVER. THEN AT LEAST WE CAN FEEL 90% CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL GET THE GRANT FUNDING.

COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

QUESTION FOR MR. GOULDING IN REGARDS TO COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE COMMENT.

[00:45:05]

THAT'S THE SIMPLE ANSWER. THE I UNDERSTAND COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE APPREHENSION I'VE BEEN IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS AND CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.

PROCEDURALLY, WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACT WITH JCI TO DO THIS CONSULTANCY UNTIL WE RATIFY A BYLAW, AND THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TO DO TONIGHT. AND WE DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH FCM UNTIL WE RATIFY BYLAW AND THAT ALSO ISN'T ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. BUT IF COUNCIL EXPRESSES THEIR DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE BASIS THAT IT UNDERSTANDS, STAFF CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE BOTH AGREEMENTS COME AT THE SAME TIME AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING PROCEEDS, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT. IF IT SHOULD COME TO PASS, THAT SOMETHING CHANGES CERTAINLY, STAFF WILL ALERT COUNCIL TO THE FACT THAT THAT'S HAPPENED. AND WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IS NO LONGER THE CASE, AND WE'LL MAKE CHANGES OR ABANDON THE IDEA OR DO WHATEVER MAKES SENSE AT THAT TIME.

THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. I AGREE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. IS EVERYBODY READY TO VOTE? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU BOTH FOR COMING.

FEEL FREE TO LEAVE IF YOU WANT TO. OKAY. NO PETITIONS THIS EVENING. THERE'S NO CORRESPONDENCE.

THERE ARE NO NOTICES OF MOTION. COUNCIL REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS.

[14. COUNCIL REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]

SO START WITH THE FIRST ONE. WHEREAS DOCTORS PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITIES, PROVIDING EXPERT MEDICAL CARE, GUIDANCE AND COMPASSION TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES ACROSS ONTARIO.

AND WHEREAS MAY 1ST MARKS DOCTOR'S DAY IN ONTARIO, A DAY TO RECOGNIZE AND EXPRESS OUR APPRECIATION FOR THE DEDICATION, COMMITMENT AND INVALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS OF PHYSICIANS IN ALL AREAS OF MEDICINE.

AND WHEREAS THIS DATE ALSO COMMEMORATES THE BIRTHDAY OF CANADA'S FIRST FEMALE PHYSICIAN, DOCTOR EMILY STOWE, A PIONEER AND TRAILBLAZER WHO OPENED DOORS FOR GENERATIONS OF WOMEN IN MEDICINE.

AND WHEREAS PHYSICIANS CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE FRONT LINES OF CARE, OFTEN UNDER CHALLENGING AND DEMANDING CONDITIONS, DEMONSTRATING RESILIENCE, PROFESSIONALISM, AND AN UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO THEIR PATIENTS AND COMMUNITIES.

AND WHEREAS, RAISING FLAGS IN OUR COMMUNITIES HAS BECOME A WAY OF EXPRESSING GRATITUDE FOR THOSE LEADING THE WAY OUT OF CRISIS.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, ANDREW WANNAN, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MAY 1ST, 2025 DAY TO BE DOCTORS DAY IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE OUR DOCTORS IN ELLIOT LAKE. WHEREAS ELLIOT LAKE RECOGNIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IN ONTARIO. AND WHEREAS THE GOAL OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS WEEK IS TO RAISE COMMUNITY AWARENESS AND THE NEED TO PREPARE FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF AN EMERGENCY. AND WHEREAS THE 2025 THEME IS BE PREPARED, KNOW YOUR RISKS.

TO ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THE RISKS IN THEIR AREA AND LEARN WHAT ACTIONS THEY CAN TAKE TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES.

AND WHEREAS, EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS WEEK ENCOURAGES EVERYONE TO TAKE SIMPLE STEPS TO BECOME BETTER PREPARED AND REMAIN SAFE WHEN FACING A RANGE OF EMERGENCIES. AGAIN, KNOW THE RISKS, MAKE A PLAN, GET AN EMERGENCY KIT.

AND WHEREAS THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY IS THE RESPONSIBLE RESPONSIBILITY OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US,

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NOW, THEREFORE, I, ANDREW WANNAN, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MAY 4TH TO 10TH, 2025 WEEK TO BE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS WEEK IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO BE EMERGENCY READY AND STAY CONNECTED. AND THE FINAL ONE, BY THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, I HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 5TH TO MAY 11TH, 2025, AS MENTAL HEALTH WEEK IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE. ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? OKAY, THANKS.

[15. ADDENDUM]

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. SO 15.1 IS A MEMO FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER REGARDING PAVEMENT MARKING AGREEMENT.

MISS BRAY, PLEASE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. SO I'M PRESENTING THIS MEMO ON BEHALF OF MR. DEBERTOLI, WHO'S NOT HERE THIS EVENING. SO COUNCIL WILL RECALL ON FEBRUARY 24TH, COUNCIL APPROVED AWARDING THE 2025 CONTRACT FOR LIME PAINTING TO PAVEMENT MARKINGS LIMITED.

WE HAVE RECEIVED THE SIGNED AGREEMENT FROM TRILLIUM, AND THERE IS A BYLAW PREPARED TO ENTER INTO THE CONTRACT FOR THAT SERVICE ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING. I BELIEVE MR. DEBERTOLI MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO START EARLY MAY TO MID MAY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING TO GET THAT PASSED THIS EVENING SO THEY CAN GET TO WORK.

AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OKAY.

THANK YOU, MISS BRAY. YEAH. WE WENT THROUGH THIS QUITE THOROUGHLY AT THAT MEETING.

SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. 15.2. WILL BYLAW 25-44 BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE THE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH TRILLIUM PAVEMENT MARKING FOR THE SUPPLY AND INSTALLATION OF PAVEMENT MARKINGS.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT BYLAW 24-44 BE PASSED? A MOVER COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE SECONDED COUNCILLOR SEIDEL.

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. OKAY. 16 INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BYLAWS,

[16. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BY-LAWS]

WE HAVE A MOTION THAT BYLAW 2540 BE PASSED? A MOVER COUNCILLOR MORRISSETTE SECONDED COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF.

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT IS CARRIED. 16.2, BYLAW 25-41 BEING A BYLAW TO TEMPORARILY CLOSED CERTAIN PUBLIC HIGHWAYS FOR THE GRAND OPENING OF THE ELLIOT LAKE ARTS AND HERITAGE CENTER ON MAY 10TH, 2025, FROM 9 A.M. TO 5 P.M.. MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT BYLAW 24 - 41 BE PASSED A MOVER? COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE SECONDED COUNCILLOR BULL.

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT IS CARRIED. 16.3 BYLAW 25-42 BEING A BYLAW TO APPOINT AN INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER WITH RESPECT TO FULFILLING THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS PURSUANT TO SECTION 223 -3 OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT, 2001, AND TO REPEAL BYLAW NUMBER 20- 67. MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT BYLAW 25-42 BE PASSED? MOVER COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE SECONDED COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF.

ALL IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S CARRIED. CLOSED SESSION THIS EVENING.

[17. CLOSED SESSION (if applicable)]

17.3 MEMO FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REGARDING SUBLEASE AGREEMENT AT THE PEARSON PLAZA AND 17.4 MEMO FROM THE MANAGER OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REGARDING PURCHASE OF LANDS ON ESTEN AND MISSISSAUGA ROADS.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL PROCEED INTO CLOSED SESSION AS PER THE PROVISIONS UNDER SECTION 239 OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT,

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ALL IN FAVOR? AND THAT'S CARRIED. OKAY. MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL RETURN TO OPEN SESSION AT THE HOUR OF 9:05 P.M..

MOVER COUNCILLOR LEFEBVRE SECONDED COUNCILLOR BULL.

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. CONFIRMATORY BYLAW.

[18. CONFIRMATORY BY-LAW]

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. ADJOURNMENT. MAY I HAVE A MOTION THAT THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT THE HOUR OF 9:05 P.M..

MOVER COUNCILOR LEFEBVRE SECONDED COUNCILLOR FLINTOFF.

ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.