>> [NOISE] I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
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THIS IS A REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OF COUNCIL FOR THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, MONDAY, JULY 13TH, 2020.AS FAR AS ROLL-CALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COUNCILOR CYR, WHO WILL BE A FEW MINUTES LATE, AND WE HAVE COUNCILOR FINAMORE BY THE PHONE.
GOOD EVENING COUNCILOR FINAMORE, CAN YOU HEAR US.
>> I CAN, GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.
>> OKAY. THIS EVENING WE'RE TESTING OUT, NOT ONLY SOCIAL DISTANCING, BUT OUR PEXIGLAS BUBBLES, AND SOME OF US HAVE MASKS HERE TRYING TO TAKE AS MANY PRECAUTIONS AS POSSIBLE.
I'D ASK IF THERE'S ANY DECLARATIONS OR CONFLICT OF INTEREST THIS EVENING.
ONCE, TWICE, AND THREE TIMES, I'M SEEING NONE.
CARRYING ON, ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES, 4.1,
[4. ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES]
JUNE 22ND, 2020 REGULAR AND 4.2 JUNE 30TH, 2020 SPECIAL.CAN I HAVE A MOVER TO ADOPT THE MINUTES PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILOR MANN, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR TURNER.
ANY QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? I'M SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN OR ON FAVOR, THOSE ARE CARRIED.
THANK YOU. NO PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING.
SIX INTRODUCTION CONSIDERATION ON CORPORATE REPORTS,
[6. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS]
6.1, JULY 8TH, 2020 REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.MOTION OF SUPPORT FOR FEDERATION OF CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES MUNICIPAL ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FUNDING APPLICATION, AND THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS DATED THURSDAY, JULY 7TH, 2020, BE RECEIVED, AND THAT IT BE RESOLVED THAT ELLIOT LAKE COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO APPLY FOR GRANT OPPORTUNITY FROM THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES MUNICIPAL ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE UPGRADE TO THE ELLIOTT LAKE ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, AND THAT IT THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE COMMITS TO CONDUCTING THE FOLLOWING ACTIVITIES ON IT'S PROPOSED PROJECTS SUBMITTED TO THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES AND MUNICIPAL ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM TO ADVANCE OUR ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM; ASSET ASSESSMENTS, ROADS AND SIDEWALKS.
ASSET MANAGEMENT PLANS, UPDATE PLAN TO MEET 588-17 REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS AND IMPLEMENT ENVIRONMENTAL POLICIES AND COMMUNICATION STRATEGY.
TRAINING ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT AND KNOWLEDGE TRANSFER, TRAINING FOR STAFF, ESTABLISHMENT OF ASSET MANAGEMENT COMMITTEES OR WORKING GROUP TOO, AND ADOPTION OF NEW ASSET MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, WHEREAS IT FURTHER BE RESOLVED THAT CORPORATION OF CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE COMMITS $12,000 FROM ITS BUDGET TOWARDS THE COST OF THIS INITIATIVE.
CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILOR PATRIE.
MR. KHALID, THANK YOU FOR COMING IN ON YOUR HOLIDAYS.
>> THANKS YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.
CURRENTLY THE CITY HAS AN ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN FROM 2013-2022.
THAT HAS CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE LAST SEVEN YEARS WITH THE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF TURNOVER AMONG STAFF AND UPDATED REGULATION REQUIREMENTS TO BE MET UNDER THE REGULATION 588-17, AS WELL AS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY AND COMMUNICATIONS STRATEGY.
IT IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE TO APPLY FOR FUNDING THROUGH THE FEDERATION OF CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES MUNICIPAL ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH WILL UPDATE THE CURRENT PLAN AND HELP TRAIN THE NEW STUFF.
SO BASICALLY, THROUGH THE FCMM, MUNICIPAL ASSET PROGRAM IS A FIVE-YEAR, $50 MILLION PROGRAM DESIGNED TO HELP CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES MAKE INFORMATIVE INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT DECISIONS BASED ON SOUND ASSET MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
MUNICIPALITIES CAN NOW APPLY FOR THE FUNDING FOR ELIGIBLE ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS ASSESSING THE PHYSICAL CONDITION OF ASSETS, DOCUMENTING THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OF LIFE-CYCLE COSTS, IMPLEMENTING POLICIES TO INTEGRATE ASSET MANAGEMENT PRACTICES INTO DAILY ROUTINES, TRAINING ELECTED OFFICIALS AND STAFF ON ASSET MANAGEMENT APPROACH.
THIS APPLIES TO ALL CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES, WHICH COULD RECEIVE UP TO 80 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL ELIGIBLE PROJECTS TO A MAXIMUM OF 50,000.
PROJECTS MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 11 MONTHS FROM FUNDING APPROVAL NOTICE.
BASICALLY, THE FINANCIAL IMPACT AS YOU SEE IS, IT BREAKS DOWN THAT THE CITY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR 12,500, AND THAT WOULD GET US $50,000 WORTH OF FUNDING.
THE BREAKDOWN THERE IS WHAT YOU SEE, BUT IT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED AND CHANGED, SO IT COULD BE PUT TOWARDS WHATEVER THE GOAL, BUT THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE THE ASSETS, THEN ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SO WITH UPDATING THAT, ENVIRONMENTAL POLICY, COMMUNICATION STRATEGIES, AND THEN THE TRAINING ACTIVITIES.
SO BASICALLY, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO APPLY FOR THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY AND
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APPROVE THE 12,000 FROM RESERVE TO COVER THE COST TO RECEIVE 50,000 OF FUNDING FOR ALL REASONS MENTIONED ABOVE.IF THERE'S QUESTIONS, HOPEFULLY I CAN ANSWER THEM ALL.
>> THANKS YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
THANK YOU MR. KHALID FOR YOUR REPORT.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE FUNDING.
IS IT UPCOMING OUT OF OPERATIONS OR RESERVES? THE 12,500.
>> THE 12,000 AS I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT WILL BE COMING FROM RESERVE.
>> MY QUESTION IS ACTUALLY ALMOST THE SAME AS COUNCILOR MANN'S, IS THERE NOT ROOM IN THE OPERATING BUDGET TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO TAKING IT FROM RESERVE?
>> I COULD DO SOME FURTHER INVESTIGATION TO SEE WHERE WE'D GET IT FROM, BUT WE NEVER ACTUALLY PLANNED FOR IT IN THE OPERATION BUDGET THIS YEAR.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP AFTERWARDS.
SO I WOULD HAVE TO GO AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE FOR WHAT OPERATION WE'LL BE LOOKING AT.
>> I DID SPEAK TO THE TREASURER.
I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS WORTH HER TIME AT THIS PARTICULAR MEETING TIME, BUT SHE DID CONFIRM THAT SHE'S OF THE IMPRESSION THAT WE CAN ABSORB IT IN OPERATING, I'M SURE WE CAN FIND THE MONEY.
>> FOLLOW UP, COUNCILOR PATRIE?
>> YEAH, JUST WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE SO LATE IN THE YEAR AND SO MUCH MONEY HASN'T BEEN SPENT IN THE BUDGET, THERE'S NO SENSE TRANSFERRING $12,000 OUT OF YOUR BUDGET INTO RESERVE AND THEN TAKE IT BACK OUT OF RESERVE.
JUST TAKE IT OUT OF THE OPERATING BUDGET AND NOT BOTHER PUT THE 12,000 INTO RESERVE.
SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IN HERE THAT THE MONEY NOT COME OUT OF RESERVES BUT COMES OUT OF THE OPERATING BUDGET.
>> IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED BY COUNCILOR MANN FOR THAT AMENDMENT.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? JUST FRIENDLY? OKAY. COUNCILOR TURNER, YOU HAD A QUESTION?
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE END RESULT IS THAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE WITH THE ASSET MANAGEMENT PROGRAM.
ARE YOU LOOKING TO FOLLOW THE LIFE-CYCLE, THE PURCHASE, MAINTENANCE, AND DISPOSITION, AND PUT TO RESERVES, DECIDE ACCORDINGLY, AS AN END RESULT?
>> YEAH, THERE WOULD BE A FEW THINGS.
A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TOO IS BASICALLY ALL THE FUNDING APPLICATIONS.
SO BASICALLY, WHAT THEY SAY IS ONTARIO INTRODUCED DISASTER MANAGEMENT REGULATION IN DECEMBER OF 2017, AND THAT REQUIRES THAT ALL MUNICIPALITIES HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLAN IN PLACE BY JULY 1ST, 2024.
SO THERE'S STILL TIME, BUT IT'S UPDATED REGULATIONS, BUT IT WILL BE TO DO WITH ALL THAT.
SO LIFE-CYCLE, FUTURE PROJECTS, AND KNOWING THAT.
WHAT LINES UP RIGHT NOW IS NOW THAT WE HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR OF TREASURY AND FINANCE IN PLACE, AND LOOKING AT THE FIVE YEAR PLAN THAT WE WANT TO UPDATE, THIS WILL ALL FALL INTO PLACE TOGETHER NICELY SO WE CAN UPDATE EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE A LOT OF IT IS OUTDATED SINCE 2013 WHEN THE ORIGINAL ONE WAS DONE.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. HOLLICK? BE REMINDED THAT THIS HAS BEEN FRIENDLY AMENDED, THAT THIS FUND COMES OUT OF OPERATIONS SO I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE, ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED.
>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THE FINAL WORDING OF THE FINAL SENTENCE OF THE RECOMMENDATION, I DON'T WANT THE CLERK TO READ IT ALL OUT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEREAS THAT IT'S FROM THE OPERATING BUDGET TOWARDS THE COST OF THIS INITIATIVE.
>> THEN THAT'S APPROVED. THANK YOU.
>> 6.2 REPORT FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, ONGOING PANDEMIC SAFETY MEASURES, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CIO'S REPORT ONGOING PANDEMIC SAFETY MEASURES BE RECEIVED, AND THAT THE USE OF MASKS BE REQUIRED FOR APPOINTMENTS AT CITY HALL EXCEPT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH UNDERLYING REASONS FOR EXEMPTIONS, AND THAT THE USE OF MASKS BE REQUIRED FOR USE OF THE MUNICIPAL TRANSIT SYSTEM EXCEPT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH UNDERLYING REASONS FOR EXEMPTION, AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO CONDUCT ADDITIONAL PROMOTIONAL CAMPAIGNS LOCALLY TO IMPROVE THE USE OF MASKS FOR ALL INDOOR SPACES WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.
CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR.
SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN. MR. DANIEL?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. JUST OBVIOUSLY, THAT REPORT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUED THEIR REQUIREMENT FROM US, BUT NONE OF THIS REALLY CHANGES.
ALL THIS MOTION DOES IS BASICALLY STATES SOME OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE POLICY THAT WE WOULD NEED TO PUT IN PLACE REGARDLESS, BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR OWN PUBLIC HEALTH, WHICH IS THAT WE REQUIRE THE USE OF MASKS FOR IN-PERSON APPOINTMENTS AT CITY HALL AND NOW BECAUSE OF PUBLIC HEALTH, ALL INDOOR FACILITIES AND TRANSIT SYSTEM AS WELL.
BUT ALSO THE POINT OF THIS REPORT WAS ALSO TO SEEK DIRECTION, IF THAT'S GOING FAR ENOUGH, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER YOU WANTED TO GO FARTHER
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INTO A BYLAW SCENARIO FOR THE USE OF MASKS.I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WOULD BE FINE WITH THE POLICY THAT'S BASICALLY JUST FOLLOWING IN LINE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PUBLIC HEALTH, WHICH IS REQUIRING THE USE OF MASKS.
BUT OF COURSE, WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR WITH IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENT TO USE MASKS BECAUSE OF PRIVACY REASONS.
IF PEOPLE HAVE EXCLUSIONS, THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS, THEY'RE WELCOME TO INVOKE THOSE WHEN NEEDED.
WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS IN-PERSON CITY HALL APPOINTMENTS, AND THEN NOW PHASE 3, OF COURSE, WAS ANNOUNCED AS OF FRIDAY.
WE'RE STILL ADJUSTING TO WHAT THAT MEANS BUT IN THE MEANTIME, STAFF IS OF THE IMPRESSION WE SHOULD BE USING MASKS FOR ALL OUR IN-PERSON MEETINGS AS THE ECONOMY STARTS TO REOPEN, THEY BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT SUBJECT TO WHATEVER COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK COUNCIL HAS.
THAT'S BASICALLY IN A NUTSHELL.
[NOISE] I HAVE QUESTIONS FROM EVERYONE AROUND THE TABLE, I'M GOING TO START OUT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF CLARITY THOUGH.
I KNOW I READ WHAT WAS PUT OUT BY ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH AND IT'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCAL BUSINESSES TO HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE, BUT IT'S STILL IN THERE, UP TO THE OWNER OF THE ESTABLISHMENT, WHETHER THEY ALLOW ACCESS OR NOT BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF EXEMPTIONS FOR PEOPLE THAT WOULDN'T HAVE TO WEAR MASKS, AND THEN THE NEXT PIECE COMES INTO A HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S ENFORCEABLE OR NOT.
I KNOW WE HAD DEEP DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT THE OTHER DAY, WHETHER THE POLICE COULD ENFORCE IF WE PUT THAT IN BYLAW, WHETHER OUR BYLAW ENFORCEMENT COULD ACTUALLY ENFORCE ANYTHING.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I APPRECIATE THE RECOMMENDATION AND I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION, BUT GOING INTO A BYLAW SEEMS REDUNDANT TO ME IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] JUST TO BE CLEAR, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING WE GO TO THE BYLAW ROUTE.
WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS WHAT'S IN THAT MOTION WHICH ESSENTIALLY FALLS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH IS DOING AS WELL, WHICH IS REQUIRING ALL BUSINESSES TO HAVE A POLICY.
OUR POLICY WILL BE THAT YOU HAVE TO WEAR A MASK TO HAVE SERVICE FROM A MUNICIPALITY, WHETHER IT BE TRANSIT OR CITY HALL OR ANY OF OUR INDOOR PROGRAMS. OF COURSE, BECAUSE OF PRIVACY REASONS, IF THEY'RE INVOKING EXEMPTION, THERE'S VERY LITTLE WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT, BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT JUST THE POLICY IN PLACE, THE SIGNAGE, THE PUBLIC EDUCATION WILL BE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WEARING MASKS, WHICH WILL BE GOOD PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY, AND THEN THOSE WHO REALLY HAVE EITHER AN UNDERLYING MEDICAL REASON, OR ANY OTHER REASON THAT THEY WOULD INVOKE AN EXEMPTION.
WELL, THEN THAT'S THEIR RIGHT, WE'RE STILL IN A DEMOCRACY LAST TIME WE LOOKED.
>> OKAY, AND JUST FOR CLARITY AGAIN, THERE ARE NO LAWS PROVINCIALLY THAT YOU MUST WEAR A MASK EVERYWHERE YOU GO?
>> NO. IT'S PUBLIC HEALTH RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING ALL ALONG, WHICH IS TRYING TO DO OUR BEST TO FLATTEN THE CURVE AND FOLLOW THE PUBLIC HEALTH RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO WITH ALL OF OUR FACILITY CLOSURES, AND ARE RELAXING AS THINGS MOVE ON SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GO WITH THE FLOW WITH WHAT WE'RE HEARING TO MANAGE THE PANDEMIC.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT OUT.
I HAVE COUNCILLOR PEARCE APPEAR FIRST. OKAY.
>> YEAH. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
THROUGH YOU, THERE'S A COUPLE OF POINTS I THINK, FIRST OF ALL, I OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT THIS MOTION, THIS RESOLUTION, I SHOULD SAY.
I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT THERE'S NO HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE INVOLVED HERE.
IF AN OWNER OF AN ESTABLISHMENT REQUIRES THAT SOMEBODY COMING INTO THEIR ESTABLISHMENT HAVE A MASK ON, THAT IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE.
YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT IN THIS COUNTRY, TO COUNTERMAND THE ORDER OF THE OWNER OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
THEY ARE THE ONES WHO SET THE RULES AS TO WHAT PEOPLE DO IN THEIR ESTABLISHMENT, NOBODY ELSE.
AS LONG AS IT ISN'T BREAKING THE LAW, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT.
YOU COME INTO MY HOUSE, IF I EXPECT YOU TO COME INTO MY HOUSE, I EXPECT YOU TO WEAR A MASK.
THAT'S THE RULE, AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH ANY BUSINESS.
THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.
I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS CONCERNED ME GREATLY IN THE LAST LITTLE WHILE, AND I UNDERSTAND IT.
THERE HAS BEEN A VERY LAX ATTITUDE ON THE PART OF A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS LATELY, THEY'RE OUT THERE IN THE SUNSHINE, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT WAS REALLY HOT, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WEAR THE MASKS.
I KNOW ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS, I'VE BEEN DOWNTOWN, I SEE PEOPLE EITHER IN A STORE OR LINING UP TO GO INTO A STORE, AND I THINK I'M THE ONLY ONE WEARING A MASK, AND THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME.
WE'VE BEEN VERY GOOD AT KEEPING THE VIRUS IN CHECK IN THIS AREA.
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I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE TO DO THAT.I DO NOT WANT TO GO INTO THE FALL WITH AN OUTBREAK HERE IN ELLIOT LAKE.
I KNOW IT'S A RECOMMENDATION, BUT IT'S A VERY STRONG RECOMMENDATION.
IF YOU'RE WATCHING WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA RIGHT NOW, YOU UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE, THIS IS A HEALTH ISSUE, AND IF YOU DON'T START WEARING MASKS, IF YOU DON'T KEEP YOUR DISTANCES, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE VIRUS OUTBREAK IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND IT'S THE LAST THING WE NEED IN ELLIOT LAKE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THROUGH YOU, TO BEGIN WITH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THEIR RIGHTS UNDER THIS.
THE PROVINCIAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND CIVIL PROTECTION ACT, WHICH THIS WHOLE EMERGENCY IS BASED UNDER, R.S.O.
1990, CHAPTER E9, UNDER EMERGENCY POWERS AND ORDERS, 7.0.2, SUBSECTION 1: THE PURPOSE OF MAKING ORDERS UNDER THIS SECTION IS TO PROMOTE THE PUBLIC GOOD BY PROTECTING THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OF ONTARIO IN TIMES OF DECLARED EMERGENCIES IN A MANNER THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. 2006 C13, SECTION 1, SUBSECTION 4.
THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS, CONSTITUTION ACT, 1982, PARENTHESES 80, PART 1: WHEREAS CANADA IS FOUNDED UPON PRINCIPLES THAT RECOGNIZE THE SUPREMACY OF GOD AND A RULE OF LAW GUARANTEE OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS IN CANADA.
SECTION 1: THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS GUARANTEES THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS SET OUT IN IT'S SUBJECT ONLY TO REASONABLE LIMITS PRESCRIBED BYLAW AS CAN BE DEMONSTRATIVELY JUSTIFIED IN A FREE AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.
FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, SECTION 2: EVERYONE HAS THE FOLLOWING FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS. A, FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE AND RELIGION, B, FREEDOM OF THOUGHT, BELIEF, OPINION, EXPRESSION, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF THE PRESS AND OTHER MEDIA OF COMMUNICATION OF WHICH HAS BEEN SEVERELY UNDER ATTACK BY MANY PEOPLE, FRIENDS, STRANGERS.
THERE'S EXTREME CENSORSHIP TO DIFFERING OPINIONS, THERE'S CYBERBULLYING.
WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO AGREE AND DISAGREE.
BUT WHEN DO WE ACCEPT LOSING OUR RIGHTS AND BECOMING A SOCIETY THAT ACTUALLY CENSORS OTHER'S OPINIONS, AND THAT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER THE INTERNET, ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT JUST CANADA, NOT JUST IN ONTARIO.
BUT EVEN IF ANYBODY WHO HAS AN OPPOSING POINT OF VIEW, WERE BEING OSTRACIZED, PUBLICLY SHAMED, IT'S WRONG.
SOME OF US ARE RIGHT, SOME OF US ARE WRONG, AND IT COULD BE EITHER WAY, BUT IN THE END, WE STILL HAVE TO RESPECT EACH OTHER.
THE LAST ONE FOR THE FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS IS FREEDOM OF PEACEFUL ASSEMBLY AND FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION.
IN SO SAYING, ANY BYLAW THAT WE PASS, I THINK WE HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE WHAT OUR FREEDOMS ARE BECAUSE THIS IS A FEDERAL ACT, WE STILL HAVE TO RESPECT OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. YES, WE DO HAVE TO TAKE CAUTION, WE DO HAVE TO SANITIZE, WE DO HAVE TO SAFELY DISTANCE, WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE COMPASSION AND UNDERSTANDING, AND MUTUAL RESPECT, AND OPEN FREE DEBATES, AND THERE'S BEEN MISSING A LOT OF THAT IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCILLOR MANN?
I GUESS I'D LIKE TO GO BACK AND REINFORCE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCILLOR PEARS HAD INDICATED EARLIER.
I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT MR. GARNEAU HAS DONE IN HIS RECOMMENDATION.
I WAS IN COMMUNICATION WITH HIM LAST WEEK, ASKING IF THIS ITEM WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE TABLED AND BROUGHT FORWARD THIS EVENING.
I DO ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE AND SUPPORT THE WORK OF APH AND WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO WITH THIS DIRECTION PRIOR TO ATTENDING THIS EVENING AND WATCHING THE PREMIER OF THE PROVINCE OF QUEBEC ADVISE THAT IT'S MANDATORY.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE DATE, BUT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT AN IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROVINCE-WIDE MASK WEARING.
HONESTLY, MY OPINION IS I THINK WE NEED TO GO
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FURTHER THAN THE DIRECTIONS OF MR. GARNEAU TONIGHT.I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING AND REINFORCING APH'S DIRECTION.
I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY, AN OBLIGATION TO OUR FACILITIES BUT I THINK MASK-WEARING IN ALL INDOOR PREMISES, ORGANIZATIONS, AND PUBLIC TRANSIT AS OF JULY 17TH IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO PUT INTO BY-LAW.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT OUR PARTNERS IN THIS.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I COMPLETELY SUPPORT AND FEEL QUITE STRONGLY ABOUT.
AT THIS POINT, I THINK I'LL PUT THAT MOTION FORWARD, THAT WE DO AN AMENDMENT THAT MASKS ARE TO BE WORN AND ALL THE INDOOR PREMISES, ORGANIZATIONS, AND PUBLIC TRANSIT AS OF JULY 17TH, 2020.
I WOULD MOVE THAT AMENDMENT, YOUR WORSHIP.
>> SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR PEARS.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION HAS BEEN AMENDED TO BE BY-LAW.
IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED THAT IT BE AMENDED TO BE BY-LAW COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
[NOISE] IT GOES BACK TO THE ENFORCEMENT QUESTION AND I'LL ASK MR. THOMAS, WHO'S OUT AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION LAST WEEK.
MR. THOMAS, IS IT ENFORCEABLE AS BY-LAW? ALTHOUGH I COMPLETELY RESPECT COUNCILLOR MANN'S POSITION.
PART OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT YOU WERE IN WITH INSPECTOR TYLER, I BELIEVE, IT IS NOT ENFORCEABLE.
THE PROBLEM IS IF AN INDIVIDUAL HAS A HEALTH ISSUE, WHETHER IT'S ASTHMA OR SOME OTHER ALIGNING ISSUE WITH BREATHING, WHICH WOULD RESTRICT THEM MOVING AROUND PROPERLY AND STUFF LIKE THAT, HE SAID YOU CANNOT FORCE SOMEBODY TO WEAR A MASK.
THE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS, ARE WE ALLOWED TO ASK WHY THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO WEAR A MASK? HE SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT.
WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK WHY THEY ARE NOT WEARING A MASK.
ALL THEY HAVE TO SAY IS I CAN'T WEAR A MASK.
THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD BY THE OPP LAST WEEK, I BELIEVE.
>> THANK YOU, CHIEF THOMAS. COUNCILLOR MANN?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. FOLLOW UP.
I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THIS, AM I SUPER HUNG UP ON THE FACT THAT IT NEEDS TO BE A BY-LAW OR NOT? AT THIS POINT, NO.
I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT AND REAFFIRM WHAT APH'S DECISION IS.
WE COULD TALK ABOUT A LOT OF OUR BYLAWS BEING ENFORCEABLE AT THIS POINT.
WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW WE CAN'T ENFORCE OUR PARKING BY-LAW BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE APPROPRIATE SIGNAGE ON CERTAIN STREETS.
SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO THAT PIECE ABOUT THE ENFORCEMENT.
I THINK THERE'S A NEW RULE THAT'S BEEN SUPPORTED BY AN AGENCY THAT WE FUND.
WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR ASSISTANCE FROM THIS AGENCY THROUGHOUT THIS AND NOW THEY'VE FINALLY COME OUT AND SAID SOMETHING THAT I FIRMLY SUPPORT.
THEREFORE, I WANT TO REAFFIRM THAT TONIGHT.
NOT THAT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WHAT MR. GARNEAU HAS INDICATED IS APPROPRIATE, I THINK WE NEED TO GO FURTHER, THIS MUNICIPALITY, WE NEED TO.
THERE HAS BEEN COMPLACENCY IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE A LOT OF TRAVELERS COMING FROM OUTSIDE OUR JURISDICTIONS.
AGAIN, I SEE RESIDENTS BEING COMPLIANT AND I SEE VISITORS, NOT SO MUCH.
I HAVE A BIT OF AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE SUPPORTING THE ECONOMY AND THAT WE'RE TRAVELING AGAIN WITHIN OUR PROVINCE.
HOWEVER, I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE.
I'VE BEEN WEARING THIS MASK FOR THREE MONTHS, EVERYDAY.
IT IS VERY CHALLENGING, BUT SOMETHING THAT I'M MANDATED TO DO.
IN THIS SITUATION, I AM HAPPY TO WEAR MY MASK, I WILL CONTINUE TO WEAR IT, OR I'LL HAPPILY GO BACK TO ZOOM.
I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT AT THIS POINT, I FEEL WE REALLY NEED TO GO THERE.
AGAIN, IF IT'S BY-LAW OR NOT, I'LL RETRACT THE BY-LAW PIECE, BUT I THINK I'LL PROVIDE DIRECTION THAT WE DO DO THIS AS A POLICY FOR THE COMMUNITY AND I'D BE HAPPY AT THAT POINT.
WE'LL SEE WHAT TYPE OF UPTAKE WE GET.
>> SO ARE YOU RETRACTING THE AMENDMENT, COUNCILLOR MANN?
>> I'M NOT RETRACTING THE AMENDMENT, I'M RETRACTING THE PEACE ABOUT THE DIRECTION.
I BELIEVE WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE POLICY THAT MASKS ARE TO BE WORN IN INDOOR PREMISES, ORGANIZATIONS, AND PUBLIC TRANSIT AS OF JULY 17TH.
>> THAT IS A REQUIREMENT, FOR SURE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] ABSOLUTELY. YEAH.
>> MY CONCERN IS I DON'T WANT TO PUT FORWARD A BY-LAW THAT IS NOT ENFORCEABLE AND IS GOING TO PUT OUR BY-LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OUR POLICE IN AN AWKWARD PREDICAMENT OUT IN THE PUBLIC.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOUR WORSHIP.
HOWEVER, I KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, IF WE WERE TO GET INTO AN ENFORCEMENT DISCUSSION, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL BYLAWS RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE.
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I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN ANOTHER PATH.I THINK RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DEALING ABOUT THE CORONA VIRUS.
AS WE NOW ARE ADVISED THAT WE'RE OPENING UP MORE IN ANOTHER WEEK, I'D RATHER ENSURE THAT THERE'S MORE PUBLIC SAFETY THAN NOT.
>> OKAY. SO ARE WE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DISCUSSION ON YOUR AMENDMENT? OKAY. COUNCILLOR TURNER, YOU WERE UP NEXT.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT THE NECESSITY FOR COUNCIL TO ISSUE ANYTHING.
ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUED INSTRUCTIONS USING THEIR AUTHORITY UNDER THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND CIVIL PROTECTION ACT.
IT'S A PROVINCIAL STATUTE AND ANY PROVINCIAL STATUTE TRUMPS A MUNICIPAL BY-LAW.
>> ANY MUNICIPAL BYLAWS SUBORDINATE TO PROVINCIAL OR FEDERAL STATUTES.
ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH USED THEIR AUTHORITY UNDER SECTION 2, REGULATION 263 TO ISSUE A SERIES OF INSTRUCTIONS.
INSTRUCTIONS ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THE CAO'S REPORT.
IT COME INTO EFFECT ON FRIDAY.
IT IS THERE AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
REQUIREMENT FOR THE MASKS, [NOISE] WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE SUDBURY AND MANITOULIN HAVE ISSUED SIMILAR ORDERS THROUGH THEIR PUBLIC HEALTH SYSTEMS. PEOPLE ARE CO-OPERATING AND PEOPLE ARE PUBLICLY BEING CONSIDERATE AND CO-OPERATIVE.
I SEE THE SAME THING HAPPENING IN ELLIOT LAKE ON FRIDAY, PEOPLE WILL CO-OPERATE AND THEY'LL BE CONSIDERATE TO EACH OTHER.
NOW THERE ARE SECTIONS WHERE THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS AND THE END RESULT IS THAT ANYBODY CAN COME UP WITH ANY REASON THEY WANT TO SAY, "I DON'T WANT TO WEAR A MASK" AND THERE'S JUST NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO QUESTION ANYBODY'S POSITION ON THIS.
SO THE IDEA OF DECLARING OR PASSING A BYLAW TO ME IS THE EQUIVALENT OF US PASSING A BYLAW SAYING YOU CAN'T DRIVE THROUGH RED LIGHTS.
IT'S ALREADY BEEN COVERED BY THE PROVINCIAL STATUTE, THE HIGHWAY TRAFFIC ACT.
SO WE'RE JUST BEING REPETITIVE TO NO BENEFIT.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT APH HAS DONE HERE.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THE CAO SAID IN THE REPORT, BUT IT'S REDUNDANT.
LET'S CARRY ON WITH WHAT PUBLIC HEALTH SAYS.
DO OUR BEST TO CO-OPERATE, TREAT EACH OTHER WELL. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE REPORT AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM THE CAO AT THE BEGINNING OF IT, THIS WAS WRITTEN PRIOR TO THE APH MANDATE.
THE APH MANDATE SAYS, NUMBER 1 IS SOCIAL DISTANCING.
NUMBER 2, YOU MUST PUT A POLICY IN PLACE.
SO I'M GOING TO WANT CLARITY OF THE AMENDMENT.
IT'S THE RECOMMENDATION AS PER THE CAO THAT WE PUT A POLICY IN PLACE.
I WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE, THAT IT BE ALL CITY ON FACILITIES, WE HAVE TO HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE THAT IF SOCIAL DISTANCING IS NOT AVAILABLE, IF PLEXIGLASS IS NOT AVAILABLE, THEN MASKS ARE RECOMMENDED.
IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SUPERSEDE ANYBODY.
I READ THAT APH THING THROUGH AND THROUGH A MULTITUDE OF TIMES.
SO AS WE SIT HERE WITH PLEXIGLASS BETWEEN US, WE DON'T NEED MASKS.
IT STATES THAT IN THE APH RECOMMENDATION.
BUT THE ASPECT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW PUBLIC INTO OUR FACILITIES, WE MUST HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE AS TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.
SO IF WE DON'T HAVE PLEXIGLASS, IF OUR CLERK HAS TO DO ONE-ON-ONE WITH SOMEBODY TO SIGN MARRIAGE LICENSES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, OUR POLICY SHOULD STATE THAT IF YOU CANNOT BE BEHIND THE PLEXIGLASS, YOU MUST MASK.
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I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES BUT PUTTING A POLICY IN PLACE.I AGREE WITH REMOVING THE BYLAW ASPECT. THERE'S NO FINE.
SO THERE'S NO SENSE PUTTING A BYLAW PLACE THAT'S NOT ENFORCEABLE.
BUT I DO WANT TO PUT THE POLICY IN PLACE, AND THAT IS WHAT APH IS MANDATED THAT WE DO, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE.
SO BEFORE I PUT AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT, [LAUGHTER] I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE ACTUALLY [BACKGROUND] HAVE.
>> YES. YOU'RE UP NEXT TO A COUNCILOR FINAMORE.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WE HAVE AS THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT.
LET'S LEAVE IT AT THAT AND I'M NOT GOING TO PUT THE AMENDMENT IN UNTIL LATER.
>> I BELIEVE COUNCILOR MANN'S AMENDMENT WAS TO TAKE THE [OVERLAPPING] RECOMMENDATION AND MAKE IT AS A BYLAW.
>> SORRY. A POLICY BE DEVELOPED ON THE REQUIREMENT ON THE USE OF MASKS WITHIN ALL CITY FACILITIES AND TRANSIT BY JULY 17TH, 2020.
>> ALL INDOOR PREMISES, ORGANIZATIONS AND PUBLIC TRANSIT ALL OUTSIDE THE MUNICIPALITIES OWN FACILITIES AS WELL, A-L-L, ALL REINFORCING PUBLIC HEALTH'S POSITION.
>> SO JUST WITH THAT COUNCILOR MANN, I'M JUST SEEKING CLARITY ALSO WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS.
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH COUNCILOR PATRIE AND COUNCILOR TURNER BOTH WITH THE FACT THAT APH HAS ALREADY SAID BY THE 17TH, IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE.
WHEN WHEN I LOOK AT BYLAW, EVERYTHING WE DO TURNS INTO A BYLAW.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WITH BYLAW AND ENFORCEMENT IS IF WE SAY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A $500 FINE IF YOU'RE CAUGHT NOT PRACTICING SOCIAL DISTANCING THAT'S ENFORCEABLE, THE MASK PIECE, ARE WE LOOKING AT THE SAME TYPE OF MEASURES BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE ENFORCEMENT IS NO LONGER POSSIBLE? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION COUNCILOR MANN.
>> I THINK THE WAY YOU SUPPORT IT, YOUR WORSHIP, IS BY REALIZING THAT WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT RELY ON THIS TABLE OF INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE MUNICIPALITY.
THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN LISTENING TO APH, WHO'S APH? MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE MADE A DECISION THAT THEY ARE SUPPORTING A DIRECTOR FROM ANOTHER AGENCY IN THE DISTRICT, BOOM, PERIOD, FULL STOP.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M SUPPORTING TONIGHT.
NO MALICIOUS INTENT, NOTHING ELSE.
ALL. SO THAT SHOULD ENCOMPASS WHAT COUNCILOR PATRIE'S CONCERN IS.
>> YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A BYLAW AS THE SOCIAL DISTANCING WHERE THERE'S A FINE.
>> [OVERLAPPING] WE APPROVE THIS RECOMMENDATION.
I'M LOOKING TO ADD TO THE WORK OF MR. GANIEL TO GO BEYOND THE BOUNDARIES OF MUNICIPAL FACILITIES AND SAY ALL EVERYTHING. PERIOD.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU. COUNCILOR MANN, CLEARS MUD.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO CLEAR ONE THING AND PROBABLY SAYING THE SAME THING.
IF WE'RE TRYING TO REGULATE AREAS THAT WE DO NOT CONTROL, THEN WE NEED A BYLAW.
WE CAN'T TELL SOMEBODY TO WEAR MASKS IN THEIR PLACE OF BUSINESS WITHOUT A BYLAW.
ALL WE CAN DO IS REINFORCE THE PUBLIC HEALTH, WHICH IS PRETTY WATERED DOWN AS IT IS.
IF WE WANT TO GO THAT FAR, THEN WE SHOULD PASS A BYLAW.
WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS IN PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESSES WITHOUT A BYLAW.
>> YOU'RE SPEAKING MUNICIPALLY OWNED FACILITIES.
>> NO,YOU WERE SPEAKING ALL [BACKGROUND].
COUNCILOR PATRIE, YOU WEREN'T FINISHED?
>> EVERYBODY'S MISSING THE POINT.
THAT APH REPORT SAYS THAT WE AS A MUNICIPALITY MUST HAVE A POLICY FOR US. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
I WANT TO GO FURTHER THAN WHAT MR. GANIEL HAS SAID AND SAY AS COUNCILOR MANN IS SAYING, WE DIRECT STAFF TO OPEN A POLICY AND HAVE IT IN PLACE BY THE 17TH, AND WE RATIFY NOW THAT IT MIRRORS APH RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ANYTHING THAT WE OWN, OUR POLICY IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE APH RECOMMENDATION.
[NOISE] WE MUST DO THAT OR WE'RE IN CONTRAVENTION OF WHAT APH HAS SAID.
>> YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, MR. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING FOR THE CLARITY OF THE RESOLUTION.
I DON'T THINK THE RESOLUTION, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
WE CAN SAY THAT WE WANT EVERYBODY WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITY TO FOLLOW THAT APH, BUT WE STILL NEED TO HAVE THAT POLICY IN PLACE FOR OUR FACILITIES AS AN ORGANIZATION.
>> THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK THAT THIS RECOMMENDATION GOES FAR ENOUGH.
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STAGE 3 IS OPENING UP ON THE 17TH OF JULY TO LARGER GROUPS OF PEOPLE INSIDE, LARGER GROUPS PEOPLE OUTSIDE.THEY'RE STILL ASKING THAT YOUR FAMILY UNIT REMAIN AT 10, BUT THEY'RE OPENING UP RESTAURANTS, THEY'RE OPENING UP ALL INDOOR SPACES, WHICH MEANS, I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE BUILDING A WALL SOUTH OF BARRIE BECAUSE IT'S OPENING UP FOR EVERYBODY, FOR THE PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO.
BUT THE PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO ARE NOT GOING TO STAY IN SOUTHERN ONTARIO.
[NOISE] IF ONE OF MY CHILDREN GET MARRIED THIS YEAR AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS JUST OPENED UP FOR MY ENTIRE FAMILY TO COME UP HERE, YOU'D HAVE PEOPLE COMING FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO ELLIOT LAKE TO OUR WEDDING.
THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. I SAW ON FACEBOOK TODAY, PEOPLE WERE CHEERING, "WOO-HOO, WE CAN NOW MAKE OUR WEDDINGS BIGGER." PEOPLE NOW HOLD FUNERALS, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOR PEOPLE JUST IN ELLIOT LAKE.
I THINK OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF ELLIOT LAKE, AND SOMETIMES IT'S FROM THEMSELVES.
SOMETIMES IT'S FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THEY NEED PROTECTING OR REFUSE TO BE PROTECTED.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NON-IMPORTANCE OF THIS BY-LAW.
TO ME, THAT SHOULD BE IN A COURT.
IF YOU GET CHARGED WITH OFFENSE THAT A BYLAW IS MADE AND YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY YOUR FINE OR HAVE THE OFFENSE, I THINK YOU WILL RECORD THE FIRST CASE.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY A BYLAW WOULD NOT BE ENFORCEABLE IF WE MAKE A BYLAW.
I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE AT LEAST, IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BYLAW, IT HAS TO BE RECOMMENDATION IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, PERIOD.
EVERYWHERE, THE PEOPLE MUST WEAR MASKS, THAT WE ENCOURAGE THEM TO WEAR MASKS.
IT'S FOR THEIR OWN GOOD, IT'S FOR OUR GOOD, AND ITS FOR THE GOOD OF ALL OF ELLIOT LAKE.
[NOISE] I'M NOT BUYING INTO THE INFRINGEMENT OF HUMAN RIGHTS OR THE ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH IS ENOUGH.
PEOPLE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH IS, BUT THEY KNOW WHO WE ARE AND THEY KNOW THAT IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION AS WE CAN.
PEOPLE AREN'T ALL GOING TO AGREE WITH IT, BUT TO DEBATE IT, LET THEM COME DEBATE IT WITH ME.
I'VE HAD MORE PEOPLE COME TO ME, CALL ME, MESSAGE ME, ASKING ME, BEFORE THE RECOMMENDATION CAME OUT, BEFORE THIS CAME UP FOR COUNCIL ON THURSDAY, "WHAT ARE WE DOING? ARE WE GOING TO FOLLOW SUITES AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND MAKE WEARING MASKS MANDATORY?" THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED LAST MARCH.
THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A DISCUSSION IN JULY AFTER THE FACT, AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE FOR THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
THIS IS GOING TO BE ONGOING UNTIL WE HAVE A VACCINE THAT CAN HELP FIGHT IT MEDICALLY.
I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS TO ALL THE AMENDMENT TO THIS RECOMMENDATION, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT GOES FAR ENOUGH.
I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE A BYLAW, AND THAT WE HAVE THE POWER AS COUNCIL AND MAYOR IN CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE TO DO THAT TO PROTECT THOSE CITIZENS.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
I PERSONALLY PREFER THE TEMPLATE THAT THE ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH UNIT PUTS OUT AS A SAMPLE POLICY, WHERE THE VERBIAGE AND THE WORDAGE IS MUCH CLEAR AS TO THE EXEMPTIONS AND ACTUALLY COVERING THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS OF UTILIZING SOMETHING BASED ON THIS TEMPLATE FOR THE POLICY, WHICH IN THE END THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER OPTION, ANYWAYS THIS MEANS OUR POLICY WOULD BE MIRRORED TO THE ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH.
MY POINT HERE IS WE CAN'T FORGET THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS WHEN EVEN THE EMERGENCY ACT STATES THAT ANY ORDER MUST RESPECT THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND THAT'S WRITTEN IN THE ACT.
YOU CAN ALL READ IT IF YOU WANT.
ANY BYLAW THAT WE DO, IF WE VIOLATE THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS, THEN IT'S AN ILLEGAL LAW AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
BUT LIKE I SAID, I'M IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING A POLICY THAT'S MORE IN LINE WITH THE ONE THE ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH PROVIDE AS A SAMPLE POLICY.
THE WORDING IS MUCH CLEAR AS FOR RESPECTING RIGHTS.
>> THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW A DEBATE ON WEARING MASKS HAS TO DO WITH THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS, SO IT THROWS ME OFF A LITTLE BIT.
A COUPLE OF QUICK POINTS, I AGREE WITH BOTH COUNCILLOR MANN AND COUNCILLOR PATRIE, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR HERE IS A POLICY AND THE POLICY THAT APH HAS PUT OUT SAYS
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OR THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT APH HAS PUT OUT IS THAT WE MUST DEVELOP A POLICY AND WHAT COUNCILLOR MANN IS SAYING IS, "THE POLICY SHALL BE, THAT IN ALL BUILDINGS, ALL ENCLOSED SPACES, THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WILL WEAR A MASK." THAT'S STILL POLICY.IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE IN THE FORM OF A BYLAW, SO BE IT.
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THIS COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS A HECK OF A LOT LARGER THAN MOST PEOPLE REALIZE.
IF YOU GO UP TO MISSISSAUGA PARK RIGHT NOW, OVER 50 PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOT SEASONAL PASSES IN MISSISSAUGA PARK ARE COMING FROM SOUTHERN ONTARIO.
THAT'S ABOUT TWICE THE USUAL AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE COMING UP.
I HAVE A REPORT OF A GROUP OF TRAILERS DOWN ON SPINE BEACH WHERE THERE WERE ABOUT 20 PEOPLE WHO WERE CONGREGATING IN TWO TRAILERS, NONE OF THEM WERE WEARING MASKS, NONE OF THEM WERE SOCIAL DISTANCING.
THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT WORRY ME A GREAT DEAL, WHEN I'M DRIVING HERE TONIGHT, AND I GO PAST THE MINERS MEMORIAL AND I SEE PEOPLE STANDING AROUND SMOKING CIGARETTES, SITTING AROUND A PICNIC TABLE WITH ABOUT FOUR PEOPLE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER, IT WORRIES ME.
IT'S TIME FOR US TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO.
APH HAS SAID, "THIS IS THE WAY YOU SHOULD GO, COME UP WITH A POLICY." THE POLICY WE COME UP WITH WILL REFLECT EXACTLY WHAT APH IS SAYING, BUT IT WILL REFLECT IT FOR ALL FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.
I THINK IT'S A VERY REASONABLE THING TO DO.
I'M STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THIS. THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILLOR PATRIE. YEAH. I'LL PUT YOU ON THE LIST COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
>> JUST TWO OTHER SHORT ITEMS. WHAT I'M GOING TO PUT IT IN AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT AND THAT IS THAT THIS IS AN EFFECT ONLY UNTIL THE PANDEMIC STATE OF EMERGENCY IS REMOVED, SO THAT THIS POLICY WILL AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRE, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS AGAIN, AND SO I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT.
>> IF THAT CAN BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, I'M SURE WE'LL ALL AGREE THAT IT SHOULD JUST EXPIRE WHEN THE PANDEMIC IS OVER.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PANDEMIC BEING OVER AND A VACCINE BEING READILY AVAILABLE AND THE PROVINCIAL DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY BEING LIFTED.
>> I DON'T WANT IT TO BE THAT WHEN THE PROVINCE LISTS THE STATE OF EMERGENCY.
>> IT'S FINE, WHATEVER ELLIOT LAKE COUNCIL WANT, BUT THAT COULD BE WAY SOONER THAN WHEN THERE'S VACCINE ROLLING AROUND AND WE'RE ALL COMFORTED THAT IT'S SAFE TO TAKE YOUR MASK OFF.
>> OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE THAT ASPECT, THAT'S THE RESOLUTION THAT I'M PUTTING ON THE FLOOR, AND THE REASON THAT I'M PUTTING THAT ON THE FLOOR, READ THE REPORT.
WHAT MASK ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO USE, WHAT SURELY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO USE, NONE OF THEM PROTECT YOU.
EVEN THE PLEXIGLAS ISN'T THE CURE.
THE ANSWER EVEN WITH APH AND THE PROVINCE, AND THE REASON THAT THE PROVINCE HAS PUT A LOT IS SOCIAL DISTANCING.
THAT'S THE SAFEST REMEDY TO THIS PANDEMIC.
I SEE PEOPLE EVERYDAY DRIVING AROUND IN A VEHICLE, ONE PERSON ON A VEHICLE WEARING A MASK.
ARE THEY GOING TO GET COVID-19 FROM THEMSELVES? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
THE ANSWER IS FOLLOW WHAT THE PROVINCE IS SAYING AND IF THE PROVINCE SAYS THAT THE STATE OF EMERGENCY IS LIFTED, THEN ANY OF THE REGULATIONS THAT THEY LIFT, WE SHOULD LIFT EVERYTHING WITH IT AND THAT'S WHY I'M PUTTING THAT AMENDMENT TO THAT RESOLUTION.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THAT'S STILL A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT.
>> IS THERE A SECONDER FOR THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CYR? DO WE WANT TO HAVE A GREAT DEBATE ON THE AMENDMENT ON BOTH THE TIME FRAME? COUNCILOR, MANN?
>> WELL, TO COUNCILOR PATRIE'S POINT, I THINK THERE DOES NEED TO BE, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY GETTING WEEKLY EXTENSIONS FROM THE PROVINCE ON THE STATE OF EMERGENCY.
I'M NOT PREPARED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT PUTTING A POLICY INTO PLACE REGARDING MASKS FOR BUSINESSES FOR A WEEK.
THAT'S GOING TO COME DOWN. WE'RE OPENING UP MORE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE PROBLEMS, MORE ISSUES QUICKER THAN THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER DIRECTION ON WHAT'S REASONABLE.
I AGREE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A VACCINE TO MR. DANIEL'S POINT.
I JUST HAVE REAL ISSUES WHEN YOU'RE TYING IT TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
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THAT IS GOING TO BE IN OPPOSITION TO REOPENING THE PROVINCE.TO THE POINT OF OLD PEOPLE WEARING MASKS IN VEHICLES WHEN THEY'RE ALONE, THE LESS OFTEN YOU'RE TOUCHING YOUR FACE AND YOUR MASK, THE SAFER YOU WILL BE AS WELL.
IF PEOPLE ARE LEAVING THEIR HOME WITH A MASK ON AND LEAVING IT ON WHILE THEY'RE GOING ABOUT TO DO THEIR DAILY BUSINESS AND THEN RETURNING HOME, GOOD FOR THEM.
DOES IT LOOK A LITTLE UNUSUAL IN THEIR VEHICLE? SO BE IT. BUT THIS, [LAUGHTER] THIS IS THE ISSUE.
TOUCHING EVERYTHING, THAT'S THE PROBLEM, AND HOW YOU'RE TAKING A MASK OFF YOUR FACE WITH YOUR HANDS. IT'S A PROBLEM.
SO NO, IT'S NOT FRIENDLY BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE RIGHT BAROMETER THAT WE SHOULD BE REVIEWING THIS PARTICULAR POLICY WITH.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS AT THE MOMENT, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN, AT A REASONABLE TIME, THAT.
WE'RE GETTING FURTHER DIRECTION.
BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T SEE THAT, IT'S NOT TOMORROW, IT'S NOT NEXT WEEK.
>> OKAY. ANY OTHER CONVERSATION ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT?
>> I DON'T THINK AT THIS POINT WE NEED TO BE PUTTING AN END DATE ON THIS.
I THINK THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED AT A RAPID PACE SINCE MARCH, SOMETIMES DAILY WITH NEW THINGS COMING UP FROM THE PROVINCE WEEKLY NOW.
I THINK THAT WHEN THIS SHOULD END IS WHEN IT SHOULD END, AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THAT IS OR WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCE WILL BE WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE A MEETING AT THAT TIME TO DISCUSS WHEN WE FEEL WE'RE NEAR THE END OF HAVING TO END THE BYLAW.
I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS IN THE PROVINCE'S HANDS, OR OUR COMMUNITY FOR THIS, OR EVEN IN PUBLIC HEALTH'S HAND FOR THIS, I WANT THIS TO BE OUR DECISION WHEN WE FEEL OUR COMMUNITY IS SAFE.
>> OKAY. I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT BEING THE TIME FRAME.
I'LL START WITH COUNCILOR PATRIE.
>> I'M OPPOSED ALSO. I'M OKAY WITH AN END DATE, BUT NOT IF IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT WEEK.
PERHAPS WE SHOULD TIE IT TO THE MUNICIPALITY STATE OF EMERGENCY, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS AS A GROUP IN LIFTING OUR OWN STATE OF EMERGENCY.
I'D LOOK FOR A MOVER TO SUPPORT THAT, OR WE JUST LEAVE IT OPEN.
>> I'LL MOVE IT TO BE OUR STATE OF EMERGENCY.
YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A POLICY IN PLACE THAT'S OPEN-ENDED FOREVER.
>> OTHERWISE, YOU GOT TO BRING IT BACK AND RE-DEBATE IT, AND IT'S JUST A WASTE OF STAFF'S TIME AND OUR TIME.
>> I AGREE. IF WE ATTACH IT TO THE MUNICIPALITY'S STATE OF EMERGENCY, IT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE WITH THE BYLAW THAT HAS FINES FOR SOCIAL DISTANCING, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PULL OURSELVES.
SO SECONDED BY COUNCILOR TURNER.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCILORS CYR.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.
IS OUR STATE OF EMERGENCY NOT THINKING BACK ON THE PROVINCIAL EMERGENCY? I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF THE EMERGENCY ORDER THAT WE DID.
>> JUST TO CLARIFY. YEAH, THE LOCAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IS THE LOCAL'S CALL, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PROVINCE'S STATE OF EMERGENCY.
IT IS ALSO NOT COUNCIL'S CALL, IT'S THE COMMUNITY CONTROL GROUP'S CALL AS TO WHEN THAT STATE EMERGENCY IS LIFTED.
OF COURSE, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE REACH OF THE BYLAW, WHETHER IT'S A PRO OR A CON, BUT I CONFIRMED THIS EXACTLY WITH PUBLIC HEALTH BEFORE THIS MEETING THAT IF YOU PASS A BYLAW REQUIRING MASKS EVERYWHERE, NOT JUST IN PUBLIC MUNICIPAL FACILITIES, IT WILL LAST LONGER THAN THE PROVINCIAL ORDERS THAT ARE DICTATED BY THE QUEEN'S PARK.
THAT'LL BE ON THE BOOKS UNTIL THAT BYLAW'S REPEALED.
DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU LAND ON THE FENCE, ON THE VOTE ON THAT, WHETHER IT'S A PRO OR A CON, BUT THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT.
>> OKAY. COUNCILOR MANN, YOU HAD A COMMENT ON THAT ALSO.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. MY QUESTION WAS EXACTLY, I THINK IT'S BEEN ANSWERED, THE METHODOLOGY IN WHICH THE STATE OF EMERGENCY LOCALLY IS LIFTED.
IF IT'S LIFTED BY THIS GROUP SO THEN THAT WAY WE DECIDE WHEN THIS IS, AND AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS COMING BACK.
IT'S ALMOST AS SIMPLE, BUT IT IS A BYLAW BECAUSE ONLY WE THEN CAN REMOVE OR REPEAL A BYLAW.
I THINK I'M ALMOST LEANING BACK TO THAT POINT, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT YET.
BUT I THINK IF WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT AROUND THIS GROUP, THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE LIFTED, THAT IT COMES BACK TO THIS TABLE TO LIFT IT, THEN I'M FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
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I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF US AROUND THIS TABLE ARE WILLING TO WEAR MASKS ANY LONGER THAN WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO.BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT PREPARED NOT TO.
I CAN'T IN MY WORK, I'M SORRY.
>> COUNCILOR TURNER, COMMENT ON THE NEW AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT?
>> NO, YOUR WORSHIP. I'M STILL TRYING TO GET IN LINE FOR THE BEGINNING OF THIS.
>> YOU'RE ACTUALLY NEXT UP ON THE LIST BACK TO THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT.
I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT BEING THE TIME FRAME OF THE VOTE CALL FOR THE MUNICIPAL STATE OF EMERGENCY, AND I'LL START WITH COUNCILOR FINAMORE.
>> I'M IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL AMENDMENT, AND COUNCILOR TURNER WAS UP NEXT ON THE LIST.
>> JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT COUNCILOR PATRIE HAD SAID EARLIER.
THE COMMUNICATION FROM THE GOVERNMENT PUBLIC HEALTH IS A SERIES OF INSTRUCTIONS.
PART OF THOSE INSTRUCTIONS ARE THAT WE ADOPT THE POLICY THAT REQUIRES ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEES WHO ENTER OR REMAIN IN AN ENCLOSED PUBLIC SPACE OF A BUSINESS OR ORGANIZATION TO WEAR A MASK.
WOULDN'T IT BE EASIER FOR US TO JUST RECEIVE THE COMMUNICATION FROM ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH DATED JULY 10TH, AND TO ADOPT AS POLICY THE INSTRUCTIONS CONTAINED THEREIN AS MUNICIPAL POLICY?
>> IT WOULD, COUNCILOR TURNER, BUT COUNCILOR MANN HAS PUT FORWARD AN AMENDMENT THAT ESSENTIALLY COVERS ALL FACILITIES, INDOOR BUSINESSES, ANYTHING WHERE YOU'RE INDOOR.
>> IT'S LIKE I SAID, [LAUGHTER] IF WE JUST RECEIVE IT AND ADOPT THIS POLICY, WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING.
IT COVERS BUSES, IT COVERS PUBLIC SPACES, IT COVERS BUSINESSES.
WE'RE REINVENTING THE WHEEL, OR AS I SAID BEFORE, THE EQUIVALENT OF PASSING SOME BYLAW TO SAY YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH RED LIGHTS.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE COUNCILOR FINAMORE, THEN COUNCILOR MANN, AND THEN COUNCILOR CYR IN OUR LINEUP HERE.
COUNCILOR FINAMORE, ARE YOU STILL WITH US?
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ANOTHER POINT THAT I THINK THAT IF WE HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS THAT ALL MASKS MUST BE WORN IN ALL INDOOR FACILITIES IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE THAT WE'RE ALSO HELPING THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT IT IS A POLICY WITHIN THE CITY NOT ALONG JUST THEIR STORE SO THAT THAT WILL STOP CUSTOMERS FROM MAKING THREATS OF TAKING BUSINESS ELSEWHERE, AND IT WILL GIVE THEM SOME SUPPORT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS DIFFICULT TIME BECAUSE IT'S ANOTHER LAYER FOR THEM TOO.
I JUST THINK THAT US MAKING A DECISION TO PUT IT ON ALL OF THE INDOOR FACILITIES WILL HELP THE BUSINESS OWNERS HERE TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS NEW CHANGE.
>> OKAY. THANK YOU. CHIEF THOMAS HAS A COMMENT.
IF WE DO GO BYLAW ROUTE WHERE WE PUT IN ALL BUILDINGS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR RESTAURANTS WHERE NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO GO IN TO EAT? THIS IS WHERE THE ENFORCEMENT BECOMES TRICKY.
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE THEIR MASK OFF WHILE THEY'RE IN A RESTAURANT IN ORDER TO ENJOY THEIR MEAL.
I KNOW THE LIST OF EXEMPTIONS, WHAT SET ME OFF CHIEF THOMAS, I'M LOOKING AT ALL THESE EXEMPTIONS AND HOW DO YOU DICTATE THAT.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANY FINE, I DON'T BELIEVE, BUT HOW DO YOU ENFORCE ANYTHING WHEN THERE IS A LIST OF EXEMPTIONS? COUNCILLOR PEARCE, YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT?
>> YEAH, VERY SPECIFICALLY, CHIEF, THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING INTRODUCED BY THE PROVINCE FOR THE 17TH, WE'RE IN ROOM DINING, HAVE VERY SPECIFIC REGULATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE FOLLOWED BY THE RESTAURANTS.
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SERVING STAFF MUST WEAR MASKS.PEOPLE HAVE TO BE SOCIALLY DISTANCED AT THE TABLES.
THE TABLES HAVE TO BE SOCIALLY DISTANCED AND THEY HAVE TO BE 50 PERCENT OF THE IRREGULAR CAPACITY.
SO THERE IS IN PLACE A POLICY WHICH REQUIRES STAFF TO WEAR A MASK AND TO DO OTHER THINGS INCLUDING THE WAY THEY HANDLE THE DISHES, ALL THE REST OF THAT STUFF. IT'S THERE.
>> BUT IF I MAY, YOUR WORSHIP, WHEN WE PUT A POLICY WHERE EVERYBODY MUST WEAR A MASK, THAT'S EVERYBODY.
THAT IS THE PEOPLE SITTING AT THE TABLE WHO ARE ORDERING.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE SERVERS WILL HAVE TO WEAR A MASK, SOCIAL DISTANCING ASPECT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT WHEN YOU PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE WHERE EVERYBODY SHALL WEAR, THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IN A RESTAURANT WHERE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY HAS TO TAKE THEIR MASK OFF TO ENJOY THEIR MEAL?
>> JUST BACK TO THE POLICY VERSUS THE BYLAW.
WE WRITE THE BYLAW STRATEGICALLY, I'M SURE THERE ARE EXAMPLES OUT THERE THAT ALLOW THE EXCLUSIONS TO TAKE THE MASK OFF TO EAT.
IT'S RIGHT IN THE POLICY FROM PUBLIC HEALTH.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO BE OVERLY WORRIED ABOUT THAT ANGLE.
I DON'T KNOW PROCEDURALLY NOW WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON A TABLE, BUT I'M SENSING THAT ALL SEVEN OF YOU AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A MUNICIPAL POLICY FOR ALL MUNICIPALLY CONTROLLED FACILITIES THAT REQUIRE MASKS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE IN PUBLIC HEALTH.
SO MAYBE WE'RE BETTER OFF JUST GETTING THAT KNOCKED OFF AND OUT OF THE WAY, AND THEN THE DEBATE JUST BECOMES HOW FAR DO YOU GO? DO YOU GO INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, BUSINESSES AND ORGANIZATIONS? THE ONLY WAY I SUGGEST THAT WE DO THAT IS WITH A BYLAW.
IT'S MEANINGLESS TO PASS A POLICY THAT SAYS EVERY BUSINESS IN ELLIOT LAKE WILL HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO WEAR MASK.
THAT'S ALREADY THERE BY THE PUBLIC HEALTH.
IF YOU WANT TO GO THAT FAR, THEN DIRECT STAFF TO COME UP WITH A BYLAW. IT'LL TAKE FIVE MINUTES.
WE'LL GOOGLE IT AND WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE WITH A SPECIAL MEETING, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.
BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, I'M SENSING ALL SEVEN YOU AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A MASK POLICY FOR ALL MUNICIPALLY CONTROLLED INDOOR SPACES AND TRANSIT.
MAYBE THAT'S THE EASIEST ROUTE, AND THEN WE JUST HAVE A DEBATE OVER THE BYLAW.
>> I THINK BOTH COUNCILLOR CYR AND COUNCILLOR TURNER HAVE POINTED OUT IF WE ADOPT ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH'S MANDATED POLICY AS PER THEIR WEBSITE, WE'RE SUPPORTING ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH, AND WE'RE SUPPORTING BY BYLAW A REQUIREMENT FOR BUSINESSES TO HAVE WHAT STATED ON THE SITE AS A POLICY BY THE 17TH.
WE'RE SAYING THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE OR DON'T OPEN YOUR DOORS, AND IT'S NOT MUDDYING THE WATER AT ALL.
WE'RE ADOPTING EXACTLY WHAT THEY PUT THERE, ALONG WITH THE EXCEPTIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I'M NOT SURE COUNCILLOR MANN, IF THAT MAKES IT EASIER OR NOT BECAUSE I THINK THE WAY WE'RE GOING WITH OUR CONVERSATION IS GETTING MUDDY AND MUDDIER AND YOU'RE UP NEXT, BY THE WAY.
>> THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK, YOUR WORSHIP, THAT'S THE FUN OF MEETING IN PERSON.
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S COMMENTS.
I WAS COMING FORWARD WITH THIS.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT APH AT THE 11TH HOUR ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON, COMING OUT WITH THIS POLICY WAS GOING TO MAKE THIS MORE DIFFICULT, I THOUGHT IT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT EASIER.
I WAS COMING FORWARD WITH THIS FOR THE MUNICIPALITY REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER APH DID OR DIDN'T DO LAST FRIDAY.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO.
THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE DOING IT, AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT.
IF YOU WANT TO START WITH MUNICIPAL FACILITIES, FINE, BUT I DON'T THINK COMING BACK TO ANOTHER MEETING OF A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING IS GOING TO SATISFY MY NEED TO DO THIS NOW.
SO WHATEVER THE WILL OF COUNCIL.
HONESTLY, I'VE HEARD BACK AND FORTH, I BACKED OFF ON THE PIECE REGARDING BYLAW BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO GET SOME MOMENTUM AND MOVEMENT, BUT AT THIS POINT, I'M LEANING WAY MORE TOWARDS BYLAW, PERIOD.
PRETTY CLEAR. IF IT'S A BUSINESS OR A BUILDING AND IT'S A PUBLIC BUILDING, YOU WEAR A MASK, PERIOD.
BUT I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS, WHERE SOMETHING IS BEING LOST IN TRANSLATION TONIGHT. SO I APOLOGIZE.
>> AS I MENTIONED, COUNCILLOR MANN, THE APH SITE HAS THEIR POLICY ALREADY SET IN PLACE AND IT LISTS OFF THE EXEMPTIONS THAT MAKES IT VERY EASY FOR US TO ADOPT EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE THERE FOR OUR MUNICIPALITY.
THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY AS CHIEF THOMAS HAS ABOUT, DO YOU HAVE TO WEAR A MASK WHILE EATING DINNER AT ONE OF THE LOCAL RESTAURANTS? IT'S IN THEIR POLICY.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT CONSIDERING TRANSIT SPECIFIC BECAUSE IT'S IN THAT ALREADY.
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SO JUST BY ADOPTING BYLAW AND SUPPORTING WHAT APH HAS PUT FORWARD, WE'RE HITTING THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH WHERE YOU WERE ALREADY AIMING FOR.BUT WE'RE NOT MUDDYING THE WATER WITH TRYING TO WORD EVERYTHING OURSELVES.
I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. COUNCILLOR CYR HAD ANOTHER QUESTION, COMMENT?
>> NO. MY COMMENT WAS JUST COUNCILLOR TURNER PRETTY MUCH SAID IT.
I'LL SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT IT REFLECTS THE ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH SAMPLE POLICIES, WHERE IT HAS MORE CLEAR DEFINITIONS OF WHAT CONSTITUTES CANADIAN RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. I'LL SUPPORT THAT, BUT THAT'S AS FAR AS I'LL GO.
PEOPLE HAVE TO ALSO BE RESPECTED FOR THEIR RIGHTS.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY ON THIS ISSUE.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WHAT COUNCILLOR MANN IS PROPOSING IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, DOESN'T MUDDY THE WATERS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
WHAT HE IS ASKING FOR IS THAT WE IMPLEMENT THE POLICY OF APH, BUT WE DO IT FOR ALL FACILITIES WITHIN CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE. SO SIMPLE AS THAT.
THAT HAS ALL OF THE EXEMPTIONS THAT COUNCILLOR CYR WANTS TO HAVE.
THE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE I AGREE ALSO WITH COUNCILLOR MANN IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL HAVE TO FACE ON A WHOLE RANGE OF ISSUES GOING FORWARD, BUT TONIGHT IS NOT THE NIGHT FOR THAT.
WE HAVE AN ISSUE IN FRONT OF US WHICH IS CALLED COVID-19.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, WE HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR AND THE MOST LOGICAL WAY FOR US TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PASS A BYLAW WHICH REFLECTS WHAT APH AND THE CAO HAVE SAID, BUT MAKE IT ENFORCEABLE FOR ALL FACILITIES WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE. THANK YOU.
>> MS. [INAUDIBLE] , CAN YOU READ OUT THE AMENDED RESOLUTION, PLEASE.
>> SO THE AMENDMENT AS INTRODUCED BY COUNCILLOR MANN IS THAT A POLICY BE DEVELOPED ON THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE USE OF MASKS IN ALL INDOOR PREMISES, ORGANIZATIONS, AND TRANSIT IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE BY JULY 17TH, 2020.
>> THERE WAS ALSO AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT THAT HAD IT ENDING WHEN THE STATE OF EMERGENCY IN ELLIOT BEGINS.
[BACKGROUND] YEAH, THE SECOND ONE.
>> THAT INVOLVES THE [INAUDIBLE] BACK IN THIS AMENDMENT, THEN THEY NEED TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> MR. DANIEL, WE'RE MEETING AGAIN LATER ON THIS WEEK, AM I MY CORRECT?
>> YOU'RE CORRECT, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING FOR THURSDAY AT 06:00 PM MOSTLY ON CLOSED MATTERS, BUT THERE IS NO REASON WE CAN'T ADD AN OPEN MATTERS.
SO IF COUNCIL WISH TO DIRECT STAFF TO RESEARCH A BYLAW, WE CAN BRING IT TO COUNCIL ON THURSDAY THE 16TH, WHICH IS THE DAY BEFORE THE STAGE 3 KICKS IN.
THERE ARE PLENTY OF BYLAWS THAT CAN BE EASILY AMENDED.
>> OKAY. I BELIEVE IN RESOLUTION.
WHAT COUNCILLOR MANN IS LOOKING FOR IS A POLICY FOR ALL, CORRECT?
>> BY THE 17TH SO IF WE CAN HAVE THAT BY THE 16TH TO REVIEW SO THAT WE'RE NOT INFRINGING ON ANY ISSUES THAT WE CAN'T ENFORCE, BECAUSE I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE COUNCILLOR MANN, IS JUST THE ENFORCEMENT THING WITH SOME OF THOSE EXEMPTIONS THAT CONCERNS ME.
AS LONG AS IT'S WORDED IN A WAY THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING CHIEF THOMAS AND HIS STAFF [OVERLAPPING].
>> WE CALL THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
IT'S LOOKING FOR A POLICY COUNT, MR. DANIEL?
>> THAT'S FINE. I'M TELLING YOU I'M NOT A LAWYER, BUT I'LL CHECK WITH ONE, AND A POLICY WITHOUT A BYLAW IS MEANINGLESS.
SO YOU'LL BE SEEING ON THURSDAY A BYLAW.
>> THAT WILL STILL MEET THE SPECS OF THE DIRECTION, WHICH IS THAT A POLICY GOVERN EVERY BUILDING WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, AND I'M JUST TELLING YOU UNLESS I'M HORRIBLY WRONG, THAT THAT'LL BE IN THE FORM OF A BYLAW ON THURSDAY.
IT WILL ABSOLUTELY RESPECT HUMAN RIGHTS AND IT WILL BE [OVERLAPPING].
>> WHEN [INAUDIBLE] BEST FOR THE CALL?
>> I'M GETTING CLARITY, COUNCILLOR PATRIE ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE.
>> I'M CALLING FOR THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT.
>> I'M GETTING CLARITY ON THE AMENDMENT, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
>> I'M DONE. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH.
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>> OKAY [LAUGHTER] SO AS YOU STATED, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL SEE PRIOR TO THE 17TH.
COUNCILLOR MANN, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, CORRECT? SOMETHING PRIOR TO THE 17TH IN BYLAW? CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE THEN. COUNCILLOR PATRIE?
>> I'M IN FAVOR. AS AMENDED, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION COUNSELOR PATRICK?
>> TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THIS.
I DO BELIEVE WITH WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS WERE MADE THAT THAT AMENDMENT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PUT FORWARD.
I WOULD WANT IT TO BE THAT IT MIRRORS APH'S RECOMMENDATION.
SO REGARDLESS OF THE WAY THAT IT WAS WORDED ALREADY ON THAT AMENDMENT, I'M GOING TO PUT AN AMENDMENT TO THE MAIN MOTION THAT ANY POLICY MIRRORS THE APH RECOMMENDATION.
>> SECONDED BY COUNSELOR TURNER.
>> I'M CHATTING MOST OF THIS, BUT I JUST NEED TO ASK, DOES THE APH RECOMMENDATION SAY ALL?.
>> FROM THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE, IT REQUIRES ALL BUSINESSES TO HAVE A POLICY.
SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS A POLICY AND A BYLAW TO COVER EVERY BUSINESS THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY COVER LEGALLY IN THE FORM OF A BYLAW ON THURSDAY.
IT'LL MIRROR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO PUBLIC HEALTH, AND IT WILL ABSOLUTELY RESPECT HUMAN RIGHTS.
IF SOMEBODY SAYS, "I HAVE AN EXCLUSION," WELL, THAT'S FINE, WE CAN'T EVEN ASK AND WE JUST HOPE, LIKE ALL BYLAWS, THAT THE FACT THAT IT EXISTS IS ENOUGH FOR MOST PEOPLE TO RESPECT IT AND NOT FORCE ENFORCEMENT.
>> TO ESSENTIALLY THE AMENDMENT THAT COUNSELOR PATRICK PUT FORWARD AND SECONDED BY COUNSELOR TURNER IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING.
THAT'S WHY I WAS QUESTIONING MR. DANIEL BEFORE VOTING ON A LAST VOTE WAS.
I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP OUR BOUNDARIES, I WANT TO SUPPORT APH, I WANT OUR COMMUNITY SAFE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE OVERSTEPPING OUR BOUNDARIES.
DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER COUNSELOR PATRICK?
>> I DO. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, A POLICY IS NOT IN PLACE UNTIL WE PUT A BYLAW IN PLACE.
WHERE MUNICIPALITY COUNCIL PUTS THINGS FORWARD AS RESOLUTION, IT'S NOT RATIFIED UNTIL IT IS BYLAW.
IF WE DON'T PUT A BYLAW IN PLACE, THE POLICY DOESN'T GO INTO PLACE.
SO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT BEING A BYLAW OR A POLICY IS MOOT.
ANY POLICY DOES NOT COME INTO EFFECT UNLESS YOU PUT A BYLAW IN PLACE TO ENFORCE IT.
SO WE NEED A BYLAW REGARDLESS TO ENFORCE THE POLICY OR TO EVEN SAY THIS IS THE POLICY THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADHERE TO.
SO REGARDLESS, WE NEED A BYLAW TO COMEBACK.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO COME TO CLOSED SESSION, IT CAN BE AT ANY POINT IN TIME, BUT I WANT COUNCIL TONIGHT TO SAY THAT WE'RE WILLING TO AGREE WITH WHAT APH SAYS AND HAVE A POLICY THAT MIRRORS THEIR RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S THE EASY OUT TO THE ENTIRE HOUR THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING A DISCUSSION.
>> MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THE WHOLE BYLAW PIECE AND THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING CHIEF TOMAS SO MANY QUESTIONS IS THAT HE HAS EVERYTHING THAT'S RATIFIED BECOMES A BYLAW.
THE QUESTION IS THE ENFORCEMENT PIECE AS FAR AS FINES, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE OUR BYLAW ENFORCEMENT WALK INTO NO FRILLS AND SEE SOMEONE WITHOUT A MASK, ARE THEY GOING TO GET A FINE? THAT'S WHERE WE START OVERSTEPPING BOUNDARIES, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO.
WE CAN RATIFY WITH A BYLAW, BUT WE CAN'T ENFORCE TO START SLAPPING OUT FINES.
>> WE ABSOLUTELY CAN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE DIRECTION I JUST GOT, WHICH IS TO DEVELOP A BYLAW THAT GOVERNS THE INSIDES OF NO FRILLS AND PRIVATE BUSINESSES.
WE HAVE CONCERNS OVER ENFORCEABILITY BUT THAT'S WHAT I'VE GOT, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF SOMEBODY IN NO FRILL SAYS, "OH, I HAVE ASTHMA." OKAY, FINE. SO YOU WON'T BE GETTING A FINE.
THE MOTION THAT I PUT ON THE FLOOR IS TO MIRROR APH.
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THERE IS NO FINES IN THE APH DOCUMENTATION.>> THERE ARE NO FINES IN THE APH STAFF.
>> JUST A QUESTION. WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS BYLAW AND APPARENTLY ALL POLICIES OR BYLAWS [OVERLAPPING].
>> EVERY RESOLUTION THAT COUNCIL PASSES IS RATIFIED BY BYLAW.
>> SO OUR STAFF RELATIONS POLICIES [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE QUESTION IS THE ENFORCEABLE PIECE.
>> WELL, WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE SADLY A CLASS WHEN IT COMES TO THE LOGISTICS OF ENFORCING US, IT'S AN IMPOSSIBILITY, IT'S FRUITLESS.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS EDUCATION, COOPERATION FROM THE PUBLIC, AND I THINK WE'LL SEE IT.
LEAKERS HAVE BEEN DONE GOOD OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
I'VE NEVER SEEN PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SOCIAL DISTANCING.
OCCASIONALLY YOU'LL SEE SOMEONE WHO TOTALLY MISSES IT, BUT THERE ARE PROBABLY PEOPLE WHO OFTEN MISS OTHER THINGS TO.
I DON'T THINK IT'S MEAN OR INTENTIONAL.
I THINK WE'LL SEE THE COOPERATION WE WANT.
>> THANK YOU. Q3 IS TO MR. DANIEL.
SO THIS POLICY ONCE IS PASSED, THIS IS ENOUGH TO DENY SOMEONE ACCESS INTO CITY HALL FOR THE PROTECTION OF STAFF IF THEY REFUSE TO WEAR A MASK OR TO BE SOCIALLY DISTANCED.
IN ALL DUE RESPECT TO COUNSELOR TURNER I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN SHOPPING IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, BUT THERE IS MANY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT RESPECT THE ARROWS IN THE AISLE, THE SIX FEET AWAY, THE SOCIAL DISTANCING AT ALL WHEN YOU'RE SHOPPING IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.
I EXPERIENCED IT AGAIN TODAY IN TWO STORES THAT I HAD TO GO IN.
MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS ENOUGH TO PROTECT OUR STAFF? THE OTHER THING IS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT RESPECTING IT, AND I'M SORRY, I DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.
>> MAYBE I CAN ANSWER IT THIS WAY.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT GOT PASSED HERE TONIGHT, WE GOT THE GIST THAT WE WANT A MASK POLICY FOR MUNICIPAL FACILITIES.
SO IF SOMEBODY SAYS I WANT TO GO PAY MY TAX BILL IN PERSON AND WE SAY WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO WEAR A MASK, AND THAT PERSON SAYS I CAN'T WEAR A MASK, THEN WE CAN'T EVEN ASK WHY THEY CAN'T, BUT THEY BASICALLY SAY, I HAVE A REASON, I DON'T WANT TO WEAR A MASK, WE WILL OFFER THEM ONE, AND IF THEY STILL REFUSE, THEN THAT'S FINE.
THEY STAY BEHIND THE PLEXIGLASS AS COUNSELOR PATRICK SAID EARLIER, THEY STAY BEHIND THE PLEXIGLASS.
IF FOR WHATEVER REASON I COULD FIND IT HARD TO FATHOM THAT THEY'RE ACTING IN AN UNSAFE MANNER, THEN AT THAT POINT, ABSOLUTELY, WE WILL REFUSE THEIR ACCESS BECAUSE IT'S NOT SAFE AND WE HAVE A DUTY TO PROTECT OUR WORKERS FROM UNSAFE HAZARD.
SO ONLY AT THAT STRANGE SCENARIO OR SOMEONE IS LITERALLY LEAKING GLASS OR SNEEZING AT SOMEONE OR SOMETHING TOTALLY ABSURD AT THAT POINT, WE CALL A BYLAW AND WE HAVE THE PERSON WE REFUSE SERVICE.
BUT BASICALLY, IF THEY REFUSE TO WEAR A MASK, THEY STAY SIX FEET OR BEHIND THE PLEXIGLASS, WE'RE FINE.
WHAT THE WHOLE THING WE'VE BEEN DEBATING HERE IS HOW FAR DO WE GO.
ALL WE NEEDED WAS A POLICY FOR MUNICIPALLY CONTROLLED FACILITIES, AND THAT'S FINE.
IF YOU WANT TO GO INTO OTHER NON MUNICIPALLY CONTROLLED AREAS, THEN YOU CANNOT DO THAT WITHOUT A BYLAW.
YOU CAN PASS OF ALL THE POLICIES IN THE WORLD, BUT IT WOULD HAVE NO FORCE IN EFFECT TO TELL MR. RAEL WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE NO FRILLS.
IF WE PASS A BYLAW, THAT ALLOWS OUR BYLAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO WALK AROUND AND ASK PEOPLE WHY THEY'RE NOT WEARING A MASK, AND WHEN THEY SAY I HAVE AN EXCLUSION, WELL, IT ENDS THERE.
SO CHANCES ARE OF A TICKET OR A FINE OR AN ENFORCEMENT SLIM TO NONE.
HOWEVER, THE FACT THAT A BYLAW IS ON THE BOOKS, ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR TROY TONIANS AND NOT WORRY AS MUCH ABOUT THE ELLIOT LAKERS, BUT MAYBE THE OUTER TUNNELS WE CAN AT LEAST POINT TO A SIGN THAT SAYS, "OH, WE HAVE A BYLAW, BYLAW NUMBER 42 TO WHATEVER," AND THEN THEY SAY, "OKAY," AND THEN WE JUST HOPE THAT THE BYLAW'S PRESENCE IS ENOUGH TO GET MORE COMPLIANCE THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY SEEN, WHICH HAS BEEN TROUBLING TO SOME.
IS THAT CLEARER? DID I MISCONSTRUE THAT OR IS THAT A SUMMARY GENERALLY OF THE LAST [OVERLAPPING] HOUR I FORGET [LAUGHTER].
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>> THANK YOU [INAUDIBLE] IT'S JUST A GENERAL COMMENT FOR GENERAL DISCUSSION, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT AND I KNOW IT'S EASILY MADE MISTAKE, BUT WE HAVE TO LEAVE INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES OUT OF BEING NAMED, ESPECIALLY IF BUSINESSES ARE CERTAIN PERSON'S EMPLOYER, WE HAVE TO HAVE CAUTION FOR THAT.
I'M JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE.
>> MS. BRAY, WOULD YOU MIND READING THE LATEST AMENDMENT? [LAUGHTER]
>> OKAY. COUNCILOR PATRIE PUT FORWARD AN AMENDMENT THAT THE POLICY MIRRORS THE APH RECOMMENDATIONS.
>> OKAY. IF THERE'S NO MORE DEBATE ON THAT, I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL-CALL VOTE.
STARTING WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
>> I'M IN FAVOR. THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
>> [LAUGHTER] OKAY. THAT, THE CAO'S REPORT RE-ONGOING PANDEMIC SAFETY MEASURES BE RECEIVED, AND THAT THE USE OF MASKS BE REQUIRED FOR APPOINTMENTS AT CITY HALL EXCEPT FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH UNDERLYING REASONS FOR EXEMPTIONS, AND THAT THE USE OF MASKS BE REQUIRED FOR USE ON THE MUNICIPAL TRANSIT SYSTEM EXCEPT MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WITH UNDERLYING REASONS FOR EXEMPTIONS, AND THAT POLICY BE DEVELOPED ON THE REQUIREMENTS ON THE USE OF MASKS IN ALL INDOOR PREMISES, ORGANIZATIONS, AND TRANSITS IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, AND THAT THE POLICY BEING PLACED INTO THE CITY UNLESS IT DECLARED STATE OF EMERGENCY, AND THAT THE POLICY MIRRORS THE APH RECOMMENDATIONS.
CALL FOR ROLL-CALL VOTE. COUNCILLOR FENIMORE?
>> I'M IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT. 6.3 REPORT FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER AND AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNSELLING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA TO FACILITATE AN INTEGRATED RESPONSE MODEL FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO COMMUNITY POLICING AND MENTAL HEALTH RECOMMENDATION.
THAT CAO'S REPORT [INAUDIBLE] AND AN AGREEMENT WITH COUNSELLING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA BE RECEIVED ON THAT.
THE CITY ENTRANCE INTO MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH COUNSELLING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA TO FACILITATE THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE COMMUNITY PLEASING GRANT FOR THE DELIVERY AND INTEGRATED MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE MODEL, AND THAT THE MOU BE PROVED IN PRINCIPLE AND BY-LAW PASSED AT THE NEXT MEETING.
CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.
MR. GAGNON, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THIS HAS BEEN PERHAPS ON THE POLICE SERVICES BOARD'S AGENDA, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN VERY WELL ON COUNCIL'S RADAR THAT WE DID SECURE A GRANT IN 2019 OF $75,000 FOR THREE YEARS, WHICH WILL ALLOW THE CITY AND ITS PARTNERS TO HIRE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL WHO WILL BE WORKING ALONGSIDE THE OPP OFFICERS WHEN THEY'RE GOING ON VARIOUS CALLS THAT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED BEST AS BEING A MENTAL HEALTH CALL.
FOLLOWING WHAT HAPPENED IN MINNESOTA IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, THERE'S BEEN A LOT MORE ATTENTION NOW TO THE ROLE OF POLICE IN THE COMMUNITY POLICING SCENARIO.
I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD NEWS STORY IN A SENSE THAT WITH THE USE OF THIS GRANT AND A LITTLE BIT OF MUNICIPAL DOLLARS TO LEVERAGE THE GRANT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL HANDLING CALLS RATHER THAN ALWAYS THE POLICE OFFICER IN THOSE RESPONSES.
THEY WILL BE LITERALLY DOING RIDE-ALONGS WITH FIRST-LINE OFFICERS, THEY WILL BE HOUSED WITHIN THE DETACHMENT, AND THEY'LL ALSO BE SETTING UP WHAT'S CALLED A SITUATION TABLE, WHICH IS ANOTHER EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AND THE RIGHT TYPE OF RESOURCES GET USED IN VARIOUS SCENARIOS THAT COME UP THAT ARE MOSTLY WHAT YOU WOULD CALL MENTAL HEALTH CALLS.
THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THOSE CALLS OUT THERE.
THIS IS JUST A GOOD USE OF PUBLIC DOLLARS.
THE GRANT WAS SOMEWHAT DELAYED FOR VARIOUS REASONS OUTSIDE OUR CONTROL IN 2019, SOMEWHAT FRUSTRATINGLY WITH THE CROWN,
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AND THEN THERE WAS THE COVID DELAY.WE WILL BE USING THAT COVID DELAY TO TRY AND EXTEND THE GRANT, WHICH WAS SET TO EXPIRE ON MARCH 31ST, 2022, AND TRY TO GET THAT EXTENDED LONGER.
BUT RATHER THAN HAVE US, THE MUNICIPALITY DIRECTLY HIRE THIS MENTAL HEALTH WORKER, THERE'S A LOT OF COMFORT AND CREDIBILITY WITH THE COUNSELLING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA AND THEY WILL HIRE THAT PERSON AND DO THE DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT OF THAT PERSON, WORK CLOSELY WITH THE OPP AND JUST SIMPLY BILL US PERHAPS QUARTERLY, AND THEN WE'LL USE THE GRANT FUNDING AND OUR OWN FUNDS TO PROCEED THAT WAY.
THEN AS SOON AS THIS GETS APPROVED, THE COUNSELLING CENTER WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE HIRING AND AS ALREADY HAS A SEPARATE MOU WITH OPP IN PLACE AS TO HOW THAT RELATIONSHIP IS GOING TO GO BETWEEN THE MENTAL HEALTH WORKER, THE EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNSELLING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA, AND THE OPP DETACHMENT, SUBJECT TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT'S IN A NUTSHELL.
>> THANK YOU. MR. GAGNON. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE POLICE SERVICES BOARD HAS BEEN WORKING TOWARDS FOR QUITE A WHILE, PART OF IMPLEMENTING THE OVERALL COMMUNITY WELL-BEING PLAN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT SITUATION TABLE'S BEING TESTED OUT FOR A FEW MONTHS PRIOR TO COVID HITTING.
IT WAS QUITE SUCCESSFUL AND ALREADY RAPIDLY REDUCING SOME OF THE CALLS FOR SERVICE AND DIRECTING SOME OF THESE CALLS TO THE PROPER CHANNELS OR THE PROPER RESOURCES RATHER THAN BEING A CALL FOR DOMESTIC DISTURBANCE.
THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE, AND THEY UNDERSTAND WHO THE INDIVIDUALS ARE AND HAVE THE APPROPRIATE INDIVIDUALS BEING ABLE TO HANDLE IT, SO I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS.
THE WHOLE COVID THING YOU KIND OF FORGET WHAT WAS GOING ON PRIOR TO COVID HAPPENING.
I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THIS FORWARD. COUNCILLOR PEARCE?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. THROUGH YOU, I WOULD MIRROR YOUR THOUGHTS AND THOSE OF MR. GAGNON.
I REALLY WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE EAST ALGOMA OPP AND IN PARTICULAR THE COUNSELLING CENTER FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE VERY, VERY PROUD OF.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED FOR THE WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY.
IT ALSO, I THINK WILL HELP THE POLICE IN TERMS OF HOW THEY'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ISSUES, AS OPPOSED TO JUST TWO POLICE OFFICERS BARGING INTO A ROOM.
WE NOW HAVE PROFESSIONALS TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE IN THOSE SITUATIONS.
SO I CONGRATULATE BOTH THE OPP, BUT IN PARTICULAR THE COUNSELLING CENTER FOR COMING UP WITH THIS AGREEMENT.
>> THANK YOU. JUST ON THE FINANCIAL IMPACT QUESTIONS, IT STATES THAT $75,000 GRANT WILL COVER THE COST OF 87,500 FOR THE EMPLOYER APPORTION OF IT, AND IT STATES THAT THE MUNICIPALITY WILL BE PAYING APPROXIMATELY $25,000 TO LEVERAGE THE GRANT, BUT YET IT SAYS THAT THE TOTAL PROJECT COST IS $112,000 PER YEAR.
I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION THAT FOR THE THREE YEAR PERIOD, THE COST TO THE TAXPAYERS IS $25,000.
>> THAT ROUGHLY THE 2020 COST IS THAT THEY WILL ESCALATE A TAD IN THE THIRD YEAR, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE THAT GRANT, CARRY OVER AND TRY TO GET IT EXTENDED.
IT DOES VARY UP. IN THE THIRD YEAR, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE AND THERE'S A CONSULTING FEE IN THERE FOR SOMEBODY YET TO BE NAMED TO DO SOME DATA ANALYSIS.
I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILED BUDGET IN FRONT OF ME FOR THE THIRD YEAR, BUT IT'LL BE IN THAT RANGE ABSOLUTELY.
>> IT'S ROUGHLY 25,000 PER YEAR.
SO 25 IN 2020 AND THEN IN 2021, AND THEN WE HAVE THAT LITTLE CARRY OVER INTO MARCH OF 2022, WHICH WE WANT TO LOBBY FOR AN EXTENSION.
SO YOU'RE IN THE BALLPARK OF $25,000 A YEAR FOR THREE YEARS FOR OUR SHARE, AND THEN THERE'S SOME IN KIND IN THERE THAT IT TRULY IS IN KIND THAT OVERHEAD AND RANDOM [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'LL HAVE ONE ISSUE WITH THE IN KIND.
WHERE DO WE HAVE THIS BUDGETED?
>> IN 2020, IT'S JUST BURIED IN THE OPP DETACHMENT COSTS, IN '21 WITH THE HELP OF OUR NEW TREASURER, WE CAN BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED [OVERLAPPING]
>> THIS IS ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE 2020 BUDGET? [OVERLAPPING]
>> ABSOLUTELY, WE'VE ALREADY LEVIED FOR IT, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL.
>> THE GRANT HAS BEEN APPROVED?
>> IT'S BEEN ACQUIRED, IT'S IN THE BANK, YES.
>> I GOT YOU IN THE QUEUE THERE, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE,
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I HAVE COUNCILLOR MANN, COUNCILLOR TURNER AND THEN YOU'RE UP. COUNCILLOR MANN?>> THANKS YOUR WORSHIP, I JUST WANTED TO ECHO COUNCILLOR PEARCE'S COMMENTS AND APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION OF BOTH THE OPP AND THE MUNICIPALITY FOR RELYING ON ONE OF OUR MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY PARTNERS IN THE COUNSELING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA.
CLEARLY, I THINK THIS IS ONE SITUATION WHERE THE AGENCY PROBABLY BENEFITS FROM HAVING ANOTHER POSITION AND NOT HAVING THAT POSITION AT THE MUNICIPALITY.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK THIS IS FAR BETTER HOUSED IN A MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT.
I THINK THE VALUE OF THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL PARTIES CONCERNED.
>> THANKS YOUR WORSHIP. I'VE A FEW QUESTIONS.
FIRST OF ALL, STATE THAT THIS IS A GREAT IDEA, I'M SURE EVERY POLICE OFFICER ON OUR DETACHMENTS IS GRATEFUL FOR IT COMING TO FRUITION.
THE MENTAL HEALTH WORKER, IS THIS PERSON HAVE SPECIFIC QUALIFICATIONS FOR THIS KIND OF WORK? IS IT AN RN, AN ADDICTIONS COUNSELOR, IS IT JUMP BETWEEN PEOPLE AND SPECIFIC QUALIFICATIONS?
>> THEY WILL DEFINITELY BE A QUALIFIED MENTAL HEALTH WORKER, AFTER THAT, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DETAILS.
THEY DO NEED TO BE A BIT OF A GENERALIST, [NOISE] BUT THEY WILL ABSOLUTELY BE A QUALIFIED MENTAL HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL, THAT'S FOR SURE.
>> SITUATION TABLE, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT CAN BE CALLED TOGETHER TO DEAL WITH SITUATIONS OR ISSUES, IS THAT [OVERLAPPING]
>> YES, WE GOT SOME TRAINING ON THIS IN JULY OF LAST YEAR, AND I'LL GIVE DETACHMENT COMMANDER STURGEON A LOT OF CREDIT FOR THIS, FOR BRINGING THIS CONCEPT TO EAST ALGOMA.
IT'S BEEN WELL USED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND [NOISE] AS THE NAME IMPLIES, IT'S BASICALLY A GROUP OF STAKEHOLDERS WHO GET TOGETHER TO REVIEW A GIVEN SITUATION.
PERHAPS DURING A MENTAL HEALTH CALL, WE FIND OUT THAT JOHN DOE HAS AN ISSUE, AND RATHER THAN HAVE THE POLICE DEAL WITH IT, THERE'S AN ENTIRE METHODOLOGY AROUND IT, SO I'M GOING TO NOT DO IT JUSTICE.
BUT BASICALLY, THE STAKEHOLDERS CAN GO AROUND A TABLE, AND TO SOME DEGREE, THEY'RE ABLE TO CLARIFY WITHOUT VIOLATING PRIVACY ACTS, OF COURSE, THAT JOHN DOE NEEDS THIS TYPE OF INTERVENTION.
THEN THEY'RE ABLE AT THAT POINT TO SAY, "OKAY, WE DON'T NEED YOU HERE ANYMORE, THAT STAKEHOLDER HERE," BUT LET'S TAKE THE TWO OR THREE STAKEHOLDERS WHO ACTUALLY HAVE A STAKE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
THEN LET'S HAVE THOSE TWO OR THREE STAKEHOLDERS REALLY DETERMINE WHAT'S THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION FOR JOHN DOE.
MAYBE IT'S ADDICTIONS, OR MAYBE IT'S DOMESTIC ABUSE, OR IT'S A SHELTER SITUATION, OR IS HOMELESSNESS.
WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING, THOSE GROUPS CAN CONTINUE TO MEET AND TAKE THAT CASE INSTEAD OF JUST BEING A STATISTIC OR SHUNTED ASIDE, THEY ACTUALLY ARE ABLE TO INTERVENE DIRECTLY INTO THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
THOSE PARTIES WHO HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING INVOLVED IN THAT, THEY CAN THEN DEPART.
THAT SITUATION TABLE WILL MEET, DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF CASES, ONCE EVERY WEEK OR TWO.
THIS MENTAL HEALTH WORKER WILL BE WORKING WITH THE OPP TO ARRANGE THAT SITUATION TABLE TO HAPPEN.
IT'S A BEST PRACTICE, IT'S BEEN USED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND IT'S VERY HELPFUL ESPECIALLY FOR THE REPEAT CALLS WHEN IT COMES TO MENTAL HEALTH.
THIS MENTAL HEALTH WORKER IS BASICALLY A 9-5, FIVE DAYS A WEEK, ESSENTIALLY AN OFFICE WORKER UNTIL SOMEBODY ASKS FOR THEM TO GO FOR A RIDE?
THEY WILL LITERALLY BE OUT IN THE FIELD WITH THE OPP OFFICERS OR THEY'LL BE ADMINISTRATING THE SITUATION TABLE AND DEALING WITH PAPERWORK.
THEY'RE FULL TIME, 40 HOURS A WEEK, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR SHIFT IS.
>> THE STATISTICS QUOTED, STRIKE ME IS A LITTLE WEIRD.
ALGOMA EAST HAD 839 MENTAL HEALTH CALLS, TOTALING 4,271 HOURS, ELLIOT LAKE ITSELF HAD 135 TOTALING, 1,476 HOURS.
FOR SOME REASON, EAST ALGOMA, THE OPP EATS UP 5.09 HOURS ON A CALL AND THEN ELLIOT LAKE TAKES 10.93 HOURS FOR A CALL.
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>> IT COULD QUITE POSSIBLY BE THE CASE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEMOGRAPHICS IN ELLIOT LAKE AND ELSEWHERE.
THAT WAS LIFTED DIRECTLY FROM THE FUNDING APPLICATION AND THE STATS THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THE OPP, BUT I WON'T PRETEND TO KNOW THE UNDERLYING CAUSES FOR IT. WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO IT.
IN THE AGREEMENTS AND WHAT'S OUTLINED IN THE REPORT, THE OPP ARE NOT REQUIRED TO GIVE US ANY REPORT.
EAST ALGOMA COUNSELLING DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY REQUIREMENT AND I'M JUST WONDERING HOW COUNCIL SOMEHOW GETS THE FEEL GOOD THAT IT'S WORTH A $112,500 A YEAR TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM.
I'M HOPING IT'S WORTH IT, BUT I'M ALSO LOOKING FOR SOME FEEDBACK OUT OF THE PROGRAM.
WE GET JUST ABOUT ZIPPED AND ZERO OUT OF THE POLICE SERVICES BOARD.
>> WE CAN ABSOLUTELY ASK FOR MORE DETAILS FROM THE POLICE SERVICES BOARD.
WE GET AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF STATS, BUT WE CAN ALSO GET MORE ANECDOTAL PLAIN LANGUAGE SUMMARY OF THE PROGRAM.
NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT THROUGH THE POLICE SERVICES BOARD AND THE COUNSELING CENTER THAT [NOISE] WE CAN GET MORE USER-FRIENDLY DATA IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL. AM NOT WORRIED.
>> YEAH. CAUSE TWO YEARS FROM NOW WHEN THIS IS UP, WE HAVE TO DECIDE TO CONTINUE IT WITH OR WITHOUT GRANT, EXPAND IT OR SCRAP IT ALL TOGETHER AND I THINK THAT FEEDBACK FROM THE MOBILE CRISIS RESPONSE TEAMS IS GOING TO BE ESSENTIAL IN ALLOWING US TO MAKE A FAVORABLE DECISION IN THAT AREA. THANK YOU.
>> I DO BELIEVE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SEES SUCCESS EVEN OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, THAT ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE FOR THE POLICE SERVICES BOARD IS A COMMUNITY WELL-BEING PLAN, A MUCH LARGER PLAN AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ROLLED INTO THAT OVERARCHING LARGER PLAN ALONG WITH SOME OF THE SENIORS ISSUES WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
THAT'S A REQUIREMENT FOR US TO DO AT SOME POINT.
I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE POLICE SERVICES BOARD, THE OPP AND THE COUNSELLING CENTER OF EAST ALGOMA ESPECIALLY SHOWING WHY THIS IS SUCH A LONG TIME COMING AND SUCH A NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WORKING IN THE ADDICTIONS AND MENTAL HEALTH FIELD I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT THIS SERVICE WILL FREE UP SO MUCH OF THE EMERGING FEVER OF TIME.
IT WILL DEESCALATE SITUATIONS.
IT WILL DO SO MUCH AND THAT I'M REALLY HOPING THAT BY MARCH OF 2022 SOME OF THESE BUDGETS WILL REFLECT THE NEED FOR THIS AS NOT MUCH MORE THAN JUST A CONTRACT OR A GRANT.
THAT THIS IS AN ONGOING ASSET IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WHEN YOU TRY TO COMPARE THE HOUR OF TIME AND THE MONEY, PEOPLE'S LIVES AREN'T COMPARABLE.
YOU CAN'T COMPARE PEOPLE'S MENTAL HEALTH TO THOSE NUMBERS.
THE VAST AMOUNT OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EACH AREA.
IT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE CALL AND HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DEAL WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL CALL AND BEING IN A COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHIATRIC UNITS HERE, I CAN'T TELL YOU THE VALUE THAT IS GOING TO BRING HERE AND I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT IT FINALLY COMING TO FRUITION AND I JUST HOPE THAT BY 2022 THAT SOMEONE'S BUDGET WILL REFLECT THAT FROM THE GOVERNMENT, THAT THEY SEE THE VALUE IN THIS AND THAT JUST NOT A TRIAL PERIOD, THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL STAY.
>>I JUST WANTED TO ADD YOUR WORSHIP TO COUNCILLOR TURNER'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF HOURS PER CALL OR THAT ITS JUST STRICTLY BASED ON THE COMPLEXITY OF CASES IN OUR COMMUNITY JUST ADD TO COUNCILLOR FINAMORE POINT, THERE'S A HUGE NEED IN THIS COMMUNITY SO ANYTHING THAT CAN ASSIST THE OPP IN DEESCALATING AND ASSISTING WITH THESE CASES, ALL THE BETTER, SO THANK YOU.
>>FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THERE HAS BEEN CASES WHERE THE POLICE ARE CALLED OUT TO THE SAME RESIDENCE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A PERSON THAT NEEDS TO GET A FINE OR THROWN IN JAIL, THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, AN UNDERLYING ISSUE THAT NEEDS SOMEBODY WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT THAT ISSUE IS AND IS ABLE TO GIVE THEM THE HELP THEY NEED BECAUSE
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SOMETIMES A NIGHT IN JAIL ISN'T WHAT'S NEEDED FOR EVERY INDIVIDUAL.QUITE HAPPY TO SEE THIS COMING FORWARD.
WITH THAT I'LL CALL FOR A VOTE.
6.4, JULY 8, 2020 REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF PROTECTIVE SERVICES, PURCHASE OF 20 SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS FOR THE ELLIOT LAKE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR A CONDITION THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTORY OF PROTECTIVE SERVICES DATED JULY 8, 2020 BE RECEIVED AND THAT CONTRACT FTE 2020 02 FOR THE SUPPLY OF 20 SELF-CONTAINED BREATHING APPARATUS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 221,642 PLUS APPLICABLE TAX TO BE AWARDED TO M&L SUPPLY, FIRE AND SAFETY.
CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR CYR.
SECOND BY COUNCILOR PEARCE. CHIEF THOMAS.
>>THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. BEAR WITH ME I'M STEAMING UP AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS.
THE ELLIOT LAKE FIRE SERVICE ARE CURRENTLY USING BREATHING APPARATUS THAT WAS PURCHASED BACK IN 2000.
WHEN THEY WERE PERSONAS IN 2000, THEY WERE ACTUALLY MANUFACTURED IN 1995.
ON JANUARY 2019, WE RECEIVED A CALL FROM MSA, THE ACTUAL BRAND OF THE BREATHING APPARATUS SAYING THEY NO LONGER WOULD BE PROVIDING SUPPORT OR PARTS FOR OUR BREATHING APPARATUS.
SO TO GET US THROUGH TO TODAY, I'VE BEEN PURCHASING USED 1995 MSA PACKS FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHO HAVE THEM IN STORAGE SINCE THEY REFACED WITH NEWER ONES.
WE PUT OUT A BID ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE BID AND THAT WAS FROM M&L SUPPLY FIRE & SAFETY DOWN SOUTH FOR THE AMOUNT TO $221,642 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES.
NO IRREGULARITIES OR DEVIATIONS FROM THE PROCUREMENT POLICIES WERE NOTED DURING THE EVALUATION OF THE TENDER PACKAGE.
THIS IS A CAPITAL ITEM THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE 2020 BUDGET.
MONEY IS COMING FROM THE RESERVES AND WE BUDGETED A TOTAL OF $234,048.
THE BREATHING APPARATUS HAS COME UNDER BUDGET EVEN WITH THE APPLICABLE TAXES.
THE BREATHING APPARATUS IS ACTUALLY SCOTT AIR-PAKS MARK THREES.
THEY COME WITH A LIFE WARRANTY, BUMPER TO BUMPER COMPARED TO THE MSA WHERE IT'S 15 YEARS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE RIGHT NOW.
IN SUMMARY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THE 20 PACKS FROM M&L SUPPLY FOR THE AMOUNT TO $221,642.
>>THANK YOU CHIEF THOMAS. COUNCILLOR CYR.
>>THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.
MR THOMAS PARTIALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
IN 2000 WE PURCHASE FIVE-YEAR-OLD UNITS WHICH LASTED 15 YEARS SO THESE YOU'RE SAYING THEY ARE LIFE WARRANTY SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THESE ARE THE LAST UNITS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO BUY? I JUST WANT AN EXPECTATION OF LIFE BASICALLY.
I COULD SEE 25 PLUS YEARS TO BE REASONABLE FOR THIS PURCHASE.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE ONLY GOT 20 YEARS OUT OF THE CURRENT BREATHING APPARATUS THAT WE'RE USING.
THE FIRE CHIEF AT THE TIME GOT A DEAL ON THE PACKS THAT WERE FIVE YEARS OLD, BRAND NEW BUT THEY WERE FIVE YEARS OLD AND UNFORTUNATELY, MSA CANADA DECIDED THAT THEY WILL NO LONGER PROVIDE SUPPORT TO PARTS WHICH WE HAVE BEEN SCRAMBLING.
IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT TO KEEP THEM IN SERVICE ESPECIALLY WITH THE ACTUAL MAIN COMPUTER SYSTEM WHICH REGULATES THE AIR AND IT HAS WHAT WE CALL A PASS ALARM AND STUFF LIKE THAT HAVE BEEN MALFUNCTIONING ON THE ECMS SO WE'VE BEEN PURCHASING USED PACKS CURRENTLY FROM ESPANOLA FIRE.
WE TAKE THOSE PACKS THEN WE SEND THEM OVER TO SUDBURY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE FIT TO BE USED AND THEN WE PUT THEM BACK IN SERVICE HERE.
SO WE'RE HOPING 25 PLUS YEARS.
>>THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. NO ISSUES SUPPORTING THIS PURCHASE THIS EVENING.
I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT IS, I THINK IN THE FUTURE I WOULD BE MUCH HAPPIER WITH STAGGERED PURCHASES OF A COUPLE OF UNITS EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE WHOLE INVENTORY BE REPLACED AT ONCE AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH PURCHASING USED EQUIPMENT FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT.
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THIS IS LIFE SAFETY OF OUR EMPLOYEES.WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS EQUIPMENT IS WORKING WHEN THEY'RE GOING INTO FIGHT FIRES TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS, SO IF WE CAN AT ALL POSSIBLY STOP THAT PROCESS FROM HAPPENING.
I DO APPRECIATE YOU HAVING TO DO THAT CHIEF, HOWEVER, ITS NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH.
GREAT THAT WE GOT A DEAL FOR SOMETHING THAT WAS ON THE SHELF FOR FIVE YEARS AND WE GOT IT AFTERWARDS BUT IF WE'RE PURCHASING THIS AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO STAGGER IT AND JUST PUT THAT INTO THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE CAPITAL PLAN MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU.
IT'S HARD TO DO A STAGGERED BUY SO IF WE BOUGHT FIVE HERE, FIVE, THERE ARE FIVE THERE ESPECIALLY WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY USING BREATHING APPARATUS THAT IS NOW CONSIDERED OBSOLETE.
SO TRUCKS GO TO DIFFERENT CALLS AND ARE USED FOR DIFFERENT THINGS SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO PURCHASE ALL 20 AT THE SAME TIME.
>> YEAH, THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.
I DO NOT LIKE THE IDEA OF OUR FIRE SERVICE NOT BEING PROPERLY PROTECTED.
IT REALLY BOTHERS ME A GREAT DEAL, THAT YOU HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS AND TO PURCHASE FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE.
I'M GLAD YOU'RE GETTING THIS AND STRONGLY SUPPORT IT.
I HOPE YOU GET THEM HERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU.
>> THANKS, YOUR WORSHIP. CHIEF, I ADMIRE YOUR FRUGALITY AND CAPACITY IS A SCROUNGER, KEEPING THESE THINGS GOING AS LONG AS YOU HAVE.
IN THE COMING PURCHASE OF EQUIPMENT, WILL YOU HAVE SPARES?
>> THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, CURRENTLY, WE HAVE 20 BREATHING APPARATUS NOW SPREAD OUT ON DIFFERENT VEHICLES.
WITH THIS BREATHING APPARATUS, EVERY BREATHING APPARATUS WILL COME WITH A SPARE 45-MINUTE BOTTLE.
CURRENTLY, WE'RE USING 22-MINUTE BOTTLES.
THESE HERE ARE 45 MINUTE BOTTLES, SO FIREFIGHTERS CAN STAY LONGER INSIDE OR WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE TIME TO GET OUT IF THINGS TURN BAD.
EXTRA BOTTLES COMES WITH THIS AND THEN EVERY FIREFIGHTER WILL HAVE THEIR ACTUAL OWN MASK.
CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 21 MASKS ON OUR TRUCKS, WHERE FIREFIGHTERS GRAB THEM.
THERE'S DIFFERENT SIZES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
THEY JUST GRAB THE MASK AND THEY GO.
THIS WILL BE ACTUALLY ISSUED TO THEM, ALONG WITH THEIR BUNKER GEAR, WHERE THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT, SO THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PANDEMIC CURRENTLY GOING ON, THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN AND DISINFECT THEIR OWN MASK.
THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES TO USE THAT MASK AND THEY WILL BE ACTUALLY TESTED AND FITTED FOR THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.
>> IF ONE BREAKS, IT'S GUARANTEED.
THE COMPANY SAID THAT THEY COULD HAVE ONE TO US IN THREE DAYS.
>> SO YOU'RE IN GOOD SHAPE THEN?
>> WE WOULD BE IN GOOD SHAPE WITH 20 BREATHING APPARATUS.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHIEF. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.
>> GOING DOWN THE SAME LINE OF QUESTIONING AS COUNCILLOR MANN AND COUNCILLOR TURNER.
WE HAVE SEVEN FULL-TIME FIREFIGHTERS.
I DOUBT WE'D EVER HAVE SEVEN OF THEM IN ONE INSTANCE, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE MAY HAVE HAD THAT HAPPEN IN 2012 WHERE EVERYBODY WAS THERE.
PLUS WE HAVE MORE THAN 13 VOLUNTEERS, DO WE NOT? I DON'T THINK 21 MASKS AND 20 APPARATUSES ARE THE ANSWER.
I 100 PERCENT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE FOR THE 20 AND WHICH YOU'VE REQUESTED IN THE BUDGET TO REPLACE THE 20 THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
MY ISSUE IS, MASKS ARE FITTED SPECIFIC TO EACH FIREFIGHTER, SO THEY'RE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE, SO IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 21 PEOPLE, WE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN 21 MASKS.
I AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR MANN THAT IF THESE HAVE A LIFETIME WARRANTY, IF WE HAVE A COMPLEMENT OF MORE THAN 21 PEOPLE AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS, AS THE CHEAP GUY AT THE TABLE, I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING TO UPGRADE THAT TO 25 IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO SO THAT YOU'VE GOT THE PROPER COMPLEMENT TO HAVE EVERYONE OF YOUR STAFF MEMBERS, GOD FORBID, WE EVER HAVE ANOTHER MALL COLLAPSE, BUT I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS MUNICIPALITY THAT WAS FITTED AND COULD GO IN WAS THERE.
I THINK THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING TO INCREASE THAT 20 UNIT AMOUNT.
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THEN I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OBVIOUSLY, THESE MASKS FIT THESE UNITS, OUR EXISTING MASKS FIT OUR UNITS.>> IF I MAY, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.
EVERY FIREFIGHTER WILL ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR OWN PERSONAL FIT MASK.
>> THAT IS CORRECT. THERE WOULD BE A FEW SPARES ON EACH TRUCK.
THE PROBLEM WITH EXTRA PACKS, WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PUT THEM.
THEY HAVE SPECIAL SEATING THAT THEY HAVE TO BE MOUNTED IN SO THAT THEY DON'T MOVE AROUND AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
YOU GO TO A FIRE SCENE, A WORKING FIRE, TO HAVE 21 FIREFIGHTERS WEARING BREATHING APPARATUS, THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PUMP OPERATOR, YOU HAVE AN INCIDENT COMMANDER, YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICER, YOU WOULD HAVE A SAFETY OFFICER.
NONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WOULD ACTUALLY BE WEARING A BREATHING APPARATUS.
>> SO YOU ALREADY HAVE THE EXTRAS IN THE COMPLEMENT?
>> YES. WE WOULD HAVE 20, IS MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.
IT'S NOT REALLY AN IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR PEOPLE, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST A QUESTION THAT POPPED TO MIND.
YOU SAID THESE NEW APPARATUS HAVE DOUBLE THE CAPACITY, A LITTLE MORE THAN DOUBLE THE TIME FOR 40 MINUTES, 45 MINUTES.
IS THERE A BIG WEIGHT DIFFERENCE IN THE CAPACITY? JUST AS FAR AS IF IT HAMPERS ANY MORE, THE FIREFIGHTERS OR IF THE NEW MATERIALS ARE LIGHTER.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE JUST AS SAFE, NOT PLACING TOO MUCH MORE BURDEN OF WEIGHT ON THE FIREFIGHTERS.
>> THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. ABSOLUTELY. THE CURRENT MODELS THAT WE'RE USING NOW ARE ALUMINUM.
THE NEW ONES THAT ARE BEING PRODUCED TODAY BY ALL MANUFACTURERS ARE CARBON-FIBER.
MUCH LIGHTER, THE PACKS ARE MORE ERGONOMICALLY CORRECT FOR FIREFIGHTERS.
THEY MEET ALL THE NEW STANDARDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OUT RIGHT NOW, THIS BRAND, FIREFIGHTERS WOULD BE SAFER.
IF THE STANDARD DOES CHANGE, SAY WITHIN 3-5 YEARS, THEY'RE EASY TO UPGRADE, THEY'RE EASY TO ADD THE NEW COMPONENTS TO THEM, WHERE THE CURRENT BREATHING APPARATUS THAT WE HAVE NOW, IT'S JUST A HARNESS, A BOTTLE, A FACE PIECE, AND REGULATOR.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THEM COMPUTER-WISE, WHICH MAKES ME A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS, WITH EVERYTHING WITH COMPUTERS, THERE IS GLITCHES, THERE IS SOFTWARE, AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
HOWEVER, ALL BREATHING APPARATUS NOW ARE GOING THAT WAY.
THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS BREATHING APPARATUS, WHICH IS NICE, IT DOESN'T USE RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES.
WE ALL KNOW WITH RECHARGEABLE BATTERIES, THEY START GETTING MEMORIES AND THEY DON'T LAST AS LONG.
THEY RUN ABOUT $450 EACH FOR SOME OF THESE BREATHING APPARATUS.
THIS BRAND HERE WITH SCOTT, THEY RUN ON AA BATTERIES.
WE HAVE TONS OF THEM, THE TRUCKS ARE FULL OF THEM.
SO IF WE'RE AT A CALL AND THE LOW BATTERY ALARM GOES ON THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, GUYS CAN CHANGE IT OUT WITHIN FIVE MINUTES.
SO PACKS ARE NOT TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE OR BROUGHT BACK TO A HAUL.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT COLD TEMPERATURES, ESPECIALLY WITH THESE SPARE BATTERIES SITTING IN A CHARGING UNIT ON THE TRUCK WITH THE COLD WILL ACTUALLY SHORTEN THEIR LIFESPAN.
THESE ARE JUST REGULAR AA BATTERIES, POP THEM IN, AND AWAY THE GUYS GO.
SO CURRENTLY, SUDBURY, NORTH BAY, ESPANOLA IS RUNNING THESE, QUITE A FEW DOWN SOUTH.
THAT'S WHO ARE CURRENTLY USING THEM.
ALONG THE NORTH SHORE, EVERYBODY'S GONE TO A COMPANY CALLED [INAUDIBLE].
I SHOULD HAVE HAD THIS IN THE HISTORY, WE DID AN ACTUAL TEST BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2019 WHERE WE BROUGHT IN ALL THE MANUFACTURERS, WE BROUGHT IN FOUR FIREFIGHTERS, VOLUNTEER AND FULL-TIME, WHERE THEY WERE RUNNING THROUGH, DRILLS DOING RESCUES.
WE BROUGHT IN A SPECIAL MAZE TRAILER AND THEN THEY HAD TO SCORE THE PACKS.
WHAT WAS COMFORTABLE, WHAT WASN'T, HOW LONG THEY STAYED ON AIR.
THEN AT THE END, PRICE DID PLAY A LITTLE BIT OF FACTOR.
THE CURRENT PACK THAT WE PUT A BID OUT FOR, THAT WAS THE NUMBER ONE.
THERE WAS TIME AND EFFORT PUT INTO THIS.
IT WASN'T JUST LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO WITH THAT BRAND.
IT WAS ACTUALLY THE FIREFIGHTERS WHO CHOSE THIS ACTUAL MANUFACTURER.
>> COUNCIL FINAMORE, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION?
BENEATH THEM, THERE'S ONLY ONE COMPANY THAT CAN GET THEM, AND SO LET'S GET THEM.
>> OKAY. BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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CHIEF, CALL FOR THE VOTE.ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED, UNANIMOUS SUPPORT AGAIN.
OKAY. 6.5 JULY 8TH, 2020, REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PROTECTIVE SERVICES, PURCHASE OF ONE HALF-TON, FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, LIGHT-DUTY SERVICE TRUCK FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF PROTECTIVE SERVICES DATED JULY 8TH, 2020 BE RECEIVED.
THAT CONTRACT, FD 2020-01 FOR THE SUPPLY OF ONE HALF-TON, FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, LIGHT-DUTY SERVICE TRUCK FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 38,598 PLUS APPLICABLE TAX TO BE AWARDED TO NORTH SHORE FORD, INC. CAN I HAVE A MOVER? MOVED BY COUNCILOR CYR, SECONDED BY COUNCILOR TURNER.
AGAIN, CHIEF, IF WOULD YOU, PLEASE?
CURRENTLY, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS UTILIZING A 2009 DODGE NITRO.
IT'S BEEN DUE TO BE REPLACE LAST YEAR, IT'S STARTING TO GET EXPENSIVE TO FIX AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
WE PUT A BID OUT ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND ONCE AGAIN, WE ONLY RECEIVED ONE BID FROM ELLIOT LAKE FORD FOR THE PRICE OF $38,598 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES.
THERE WAS NO IRREGULARITIES, DEVIATIONS FROM THE PROCUREMENT POLICY THAT WERE NOTED DURING THE EVALUATION OF THIS TENDER.
THIS IS ALSO CAPITAL PROJECT FOR 2020 THAT COUNCIL APPROVED.
MONEY IS COMING FROM THE RESERVES.
THE TOTAL THAT WE BUDGETED FOR WAS $45,729 AND WE CAME UNDER 38,598.
IN SUMMARY, IT'S A RECOMMEND THAT THE PURCHASE OF THE HALF-TON, FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE, LIGHT-DUTY SERVICE TRUCK BE DONE THROUGH NORTH SHORE FORD FOR THE PRICE OF $38,598 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, AS OF TODAY, WE HAVE A CBO THAT WILL START ON AUGUST 17TH.
WE DID NOT HAVE TO USE A HEADHUNTER TO GET THIS INDIVIDUAL AND SO IT WOULD BE A NICE VEHICLE FOR HIM TO START HIS NEW POSITION HERE WITH.
>> EXCELLENT NEWS. THANK YOU, CHIEF.
COUNCILOR MANN, YOU HAD A QUESTION?
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. VERY GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE CBO, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, CHIEF.
MY ONLY QUESTION IS, WILL THIS BE THE LAST TIME THAT I SEE IN WRITING, DODGE NITRO, ON ANY REPORT? [LAUGHTER]
>> THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, UNFORTUNATELY, NO.
OUR CURRENT BY-LAW OFFICER IS USING THAT VEHICLE AND WITH THE NEW CBO COMING, I WAS HOPING THAT I WOULD HAVE A BIT OF TIME TO PUT THEM IN THE NEW CBO VEHICLE, BUT GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE A CBO STARTING ON AUGUST 17TH AND WE DO NOT HAVE A VEHICLE BESIDES THE DODGE NITRO FOR THE SECOND BY-LAW OFFICER.
>> THE BY-LAW OFFICERS THAT WILL WORK AT THE SAME, THEY CAN'T SHARE A VEHICLE?
>> THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, CURRENTLY, THERE IS APPROXIMATELY A FOUR-HOUR OVERLAY.
>> DID NOT LIKE THAT ANSWER. [NOISE]
>> ALL RIGHT. THERE'S CURRENTLY A FOUR-HOUR OVERLAY WHEN THOSE TWO ACTUAL [NOISE] INDIVIDUALS ARE ON.
>> I DO BELIEVE IT WOULD BE REDUNDANT HAVING BOTH BY-LAW OFFICERS IN THE SAME VEHICLE GOING TO THE SAME PLACE.
THE IDEAS MORE ENFORCEMENT, MORE PRESENCE OUT THERE, SO BEING IN THE SAME VEHICLE WOULDN'T BE QUITE THAT HELPFUL, I DON'T BELIEVE. COUNCILOR PATRIE? [NOISE]
>> I'M OF THE SAME CONCERN AS COUNCILOR MANN AND I SAID THIS DURING THE BUDGET.
THIS IS THE SEVENTH, OR EIGHTH, OR NINTH NITRO THAT WE'VE REPLACED SINCE 2009.
THESE VEHICLES WERE NOT A VALUE PURCHASE WHEN WE GOT THEM IN 2009.
I WAS ON COUNCIL, THAT'S WHY I KEEP SAYING, "WHY DO WE KEEP BUYING VEHICLES TO REPLACE THIS VEHICLE?" IF WE'RE REPLACING THIS NITRO, THAT NITRO SHOULD BE SCRAPPED AND IF WE NEED TO BUY ANOTHER VEHICLE, WE SHOULD BE GETTING AN APPLICATION FROM STAFF TO BUY ANOTHER VEHICLE.
I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF BUYING STUFF TO REPLACE STUFF TIME AND TIME AGAIN BECAUSE WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT WE'RE REPLACING A VEHICLE AND WE'RE NOT REPLACING IT, WE'RE JUST BUYING A NEW ONE.
IT'S A FALSE DOCUMENT, IN MY OPINION, AND I'M NOT HAPPY WITH IT.
>> THROUGH YOU, YOUR WORSHIP, I TOTALLY AGREE.
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I DO PREPARE A REPORT TO PURCHASE ANOTHER VEHICLE.THE PROBLEM IS I DID NOT EXPECT TO HAVE TO PURCHASE THIS VEHICLE FOR 2020, BUT I CAN GET A REPORT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO PURCHASE ANOTHER VEHICLE FOR THE BY-LAW OFFICER AND HAVE THE NITRO SCRAPPED.
>> FOLLOW UP, COUNCILOR PATRIE?
>> COULD YOU INCLUDE IN THAT REPORT HOW MANY VEHICLES HAVE BEEN BOUGHT FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN THE LAST TEN YEARS?
>> I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, YOUR WORSHIP, ONE.
THE NITRO, 2009, WAS THE LAST VEHICLE BOUGHT FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD YOU TO THAT, BUILDING AND BY-LAW.
SORRY, NITRO AND A DODGE CARAVAN.
>> I'D RECOMMEND YOU CHECK YOUR BUDGETS, IS ALL.
>> THE NEW FORD. DID THE FORD REPLACE THE CARAVAN?
>> OKAY. THIS FORD IS REPLACING?
>> OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE DID HIRE AN ADDITIONAL BY-LAW ENFORCEMENT, SO WE ADDED ANOTHER BODY.
MAKES SENSE THAT THAT BODY NEEDS A VEHICLE.
MIND YOU, THOSE E-SCOOTERS ARE GOING FAIRLY CHEAP RIGHT NOW.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, I'M NOT SURE IF MY BY-LAW OFFICER WOULD FIT ON ONE OF THEM.
>> OKAY. IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.
ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU, CHIEF.
6.6, JULY 8, 2020 REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, MEN AT BLUE BOX PROGRAM AND A RESOLUTION ON TRANSITION TO FULL PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY.
WHAT DO I DO WITH THAT? OH MY GOODNESS, SERIOUSLY, [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU MR. HALLOCH FOR THIS NOVEL.
RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT FROM THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS DATED THURSDAY, JULY 7, 2020 BE RECEIVED AND THAT THE RESOLUTION ON TRANSITION TO FULL PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY, WHERE AS THE AMOUNT OF SINGLE-USED PLASTICS LEAKING INTO OUR LAKES, RIVERS, WATERWAYS, IS A GROWING AREA OF PUBLIC CONCERN.
WHEREAS REDUCING THE WASTE WE GENERATE, AND THAT REINCORPORATING VALUABLE RESOURCES FROM OUR WASTE STREAM INTO NEW GOODS CAN REDUCE GHG SIGNIFICANTLY.
WHEREAS THE TRANSITION TO FULL PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY FOR PACKAGING PAPER AND PAPER PRODUCTS IS CRITICAL TO REDUCING WASTE, IMPROVING RECYCLING AND DRIVING BETTER ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL OUTCOMES.
WHEREAS THE MOVE TO A CRITICAL ECONOMY IS A GLOBAL MOVEMENT AND THAT THE TRANSITION OF BLUE BOX PROGRAMS WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS THIS OUTCOME.
WHEREAS THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE IS PART OF A TIMELY, SEAMLESS, AND SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION OF BLUE BOX PROGRAMS TO FULL FINANCIAL AND OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY BY PRODUCERS OF PACKAGING, PAPER AND PAPER PRODUCTS.
WHEREAS THE CORPORATION IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE IS CONCERNED ABOUT A RECENT PROPOSAL BY THE MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT CONSERVATION PARKS THAT COULD JEOPARDIZE OVER A 135 SMALL RURAL, REMOTE NORTHERN COMMUNITY BLUE BOX PROGRAMS ACROSS THE PROVINCE AS WELL AS SERVICING TO SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC SPACES, AND WHEREAS THE ASSOCIATION OF MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO HAS REQUESTED MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS WITH BLUE BOX PROGRAM TO PROVIDE AN INDICATION OF THE BEST DATE TO TRANSITION OUR BLUE BOX PROGRAM TO FULL PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY AND THAT THE CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE STRONGLY ADVOCATES FOR LANGUAGE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE REGULATION THAT ENSURES MUNICIPALITIES UNDER 5,000 CONTINUE TO RECEIVE BLUE BOX SERVICING AS WAS AGREED AS PART OF THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENTS BLUE BOX MEDIATION, AS WELL AS SCHOOLS AND PUBLIC SPACES, AND THAT THE CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE WOULD LIKE TO TRANSITION THEIR BLUE BOX PROGRAM TO FULL PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY BY MAY 31, 2025, AND THAT THIS DECISION IS BASED ON THE FOLLOWING RATIONALE; THAT PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL BE TENDERING IT'S RECYCLING CONTRACT OUT FOR ANOTHER FOUR-YEAR PERIOD FROM MAY 31, 2021 TO MAY 31, 2025, AND FURTHER TO THAT, ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS RESOLUTION CAN BE DIRECTED TO DARYL HALLOCH, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AT 705-848-2287 EXTENSION 2601 OR E-MAIL TO DHALLOCH@CITY.ELLIOTLAKE.ON.CA, AND FURTHER TO THAT, THE RESOLUTION BEFORE TO THE ASSOCIATION MUNICIPALITIES OF ONTARIO AND THE ONTARIO MINISTRY OF ENVIRONMENT, CONSERVATION AND PARKS.
MOVER PLEASE, MOVE MY COUNSELOR PATRY.
SECOND, MY COUNSELOR IS HERE, MR. HALLOCH, HOW ARE YOU?
>> YOU DID A GREAT JOB THERE [LAUGHTER].
OF COURSE, THOSE COME IN AND FILL IN THE BLANK TYPE THINGS AND THE RESOLUTIONS THAT GO TO A LOT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES.
BASICALLY, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE, WHERE THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN
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ADVOCATING FOR OVER A DECADE FOR PRODUCERS THAT HAVE A FULL FISCAL AND OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE END OF THE LIFE MANAGEMENT OF THEIR PACKAGING.BASICALLY, ON AUGUST OF 2019, MINISTER URUK ANNOUNCED THAT, THE MUNICIPAL BLUE BOX PROGRAMS WILL BE TRANSITIONED TO FULL PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD BASED ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE REPORTS.
MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN HELPING TO DEVELOP THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THIS REPORT.
BASICALLY, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DATES, BETWEEN SEPTEMBER 2019 AND DECEMBER 2020, THE BLUE BOX WIND UP PLAN DEVELOPED FOR STEWARDSHIP ONTARIO, AND THEN IN 2021 TO 2022, PRODUCERS PREPARED TO ASSUME CONTROL AND OPERATION OF SYSTEMS AND WORKED WITH THE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT SERVICE PROVIDERS.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST TO BREAK A LOT OF THAT DOWN, IS THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE TRANSITION PERIODS HERE AND THE DATE THAT I CHOSE WHEN WE WERE LOOKING IN THE RESOLUTION IS THAT, WE'RE COMING UP WITH OUR CONTRACT NOW SOON.
WE'RE GOING TO BE EXTENDING OUR CONTRACT AGAIN AS YOU LOOK AT THE YEARS BETWEEN, SO IT'S JANUARY 1, 2023, AND DECEMBER 31, 2025.
THAT'S THE TRANSITION OF INDIVIDUAL MUNICIPAL BLUE BOX PROGRAMS TO FULL PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY.
IT'S GOING TO OCCUR IN PHASES.
NORMALLY WE RAN OUR GARBAGE, WELL, THEY RAN TOGETHER ACTUALLY, THE GARBAGE AND RECYCLING PROGRAMS FOR A FIVE-YEAR WAS THE LAST ONE.
WE'RE GOING GO FOR A FOUR THIS YEAR AND IT'LL END UP ON THE DATE THAT WE CHOSE THERE.
BY THE TIME THAT ENDS, THE WAY THAT THE WHOLE THING'S LOOKING TO WORK, IS THAT ALL THE RESPONSIBILITY FINANCIALLY AND STUFF WILL GO BACK TO THE PRODUCERS, SO THE PACKAGING COMPANIES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
NORMALLY, WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING, YOU WOULD FILL OUT YOUR STUFF, THEY WOULD LOOK AT YOUR DIVERSION RATES AND THEN YOU'RE AWARDED MONEY FOR POPULATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT THAT WOULD COME TO YOU, SO WE GET TO THE ANNUALLY AROUND 50,000.
WELL, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS THIS, AS SOON AS THIS HAPPENS AND YOU TRANSITIONED OVER, IT'S GOING TO TRANSITION OVER SO THAT OUR FEES OF, FOR EXAMPLE, WHENEVER OUR RECYCLING CONTRACT'S GOING TO BE ANNUALLY WILL NOW BE COVERED BY THE PRODUCERS.
THAT'S GOING TO FALL INTO THAT.
NOW WE'RE LOOKING MORE AT THE RANGE OF A $180,000 THAT'LL BE COVERED ANNUALLY FINANCIALLY THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
BASICALLY, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SUPPORT OF A FINDING OUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE OKAY TO TRANSITION OVER AND EVERYTHING DIDN'T WANT US GETTING INTO A TEN-YEAR AGREEMENT, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW YOU'VE GOT TO BE BOUGHT OUT FOR THAT FIVE YEARS OR HOWEVER THEY TRANSITIONED OVER, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THOSE DATES.
THEY'LL PROBABLY START WITH A LOT OF THE BIGGER MUNICIPALITIES AT THAT POINT.
BASICALLY, THE RESOLUTION WILL BE USED TO MAP OUT AN IDEAL TRANSITION TIMELINE AND DETERMINE WHETHER THERE ARE YEARS THAT ARE OVER OR UNDER SUBSCRIBED.
AS IT HAS BEEN DICTATED THAT ROLLING TOTAL OF UP TO ONE-THIRD OF BLUE BOX PROGRAMS CAN TRANSITION EACH YEAR.
THIS INFORMATION WILL ALLOW AMO AND THE PROVINCE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHETHER THERE ARE CONFLICTS, IF THERE ARE TOO MANY CONFLICTS, THE PROVINCE WILL STILL NEED TO RETAIN THIRD PARTY EXPERT TO DEVELOP A METHODOLOGY AS TO HOW MUNICIPAL BLUE BOX PROGRAMS WILL TRANSITION.
HOWEVER, RATHER THAN DEFERRING TO THE PROVINCE TO RETAIN AN EXPERT IMMEDIATELY, WE THINK THIS INFORMATION WOULD PROVIDE A GOOD BASIS FOR MORE INFORMED DECISIONS TO BE MADE.
AS THEY RECEIVE ALL THESE RESOLUTIONS BACK, IT'LL HELP THEM MAKE BETTER DECISIONS.
OBVIOUSLY, THE FINANCIAL, IF ONCE THIS TRANSITION HAPPENS, THE CITY AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES WOULD BE SAVING WHAT THE RECYCLING CONTRACTS ARE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT COUNCIL SUPPORT THE WORDING AND THE RESOLUTION AND APPROVED THE TRANSITION DATE OF MAY 31, 20-25, FOR FULL PRODUCER RESPONSIBILITY.
WE COULD ALSO ADD INTO OUR CONTRACT, IF IT HAPPENS TO BE A DATE THAT COMES IN EARLIER, WE'D GET PUT IN THERE THAT IF THE DATE HAPPENS TO BE EARLIER, NOT REALLY STUCK ON THIS DATE IF IT HAPPENS THAT WE CAN TRANSITION OVER EARLIER THEN WILL TRANSITION OVER EARLIER.
WE'LL PUT THAT INTO OUR CONTRACT WHEN THEY GO TO PUT IT OUT WITH THE RECYCLING.
THIS IS GOING TO BE WHERE ONTARIO IS GOING TO HAVE ONE BIG RECYCLING PROGRAM.
EVERYBODY WILL KNOW WHAT TO RECYCLE PROPERLY, IT WILL ALL BE ACROSS THE BOARD, SO ANYBODY MOVING FROM OTHER TOWN WILL, THEY'LL ALREADY HAVE IT.
EVERY CITY WILL HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING, AND THEN IT'LL BE HOW YOU RUN YOUR PROGRAM AND GET YOUR RATES UP FROM THERE.
I'M SURE HOW EVERYTHING GOES FROM THERE, BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE TRANSITION DATE IS AND THE RESOLUTION TO SUPPORT IT.
>> THANK YOU. MR. HALLOCH. I HAVE A QUESTION FROM COUNSELOR PIERCE.
>> YES. THANK YOU. [INAUDIBLE] THROUGH YOU, THANK YOU FOR THIS MR. HALLOCH.
I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS, I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION.
YOU STATE THAT THE BLUE BOX PROGRAM TO
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FULL FINANCIAL AND OPERATIONAL RESPONSIBILITY BY PRODUCERS OF PACKAGING PAPER, AND PAPER PRODUCTS.>>THE CO-MINGLES ALSO BROUGHT UP IN THERE AS WELL.
IT SHOULD BE BOTH SIDES OF IT.
I'M GOING TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WORKING AND THIS IS WHERE WE'VE BEEN HAVING ALL THESE WEBINARS WHERE THEY'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH.
I'LL 100 PERCENT CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IF IT WASN'T, IT WOULD ONLY COVER HALF THE COST.
BUT IT'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE FULL BLUE BOX, WHATEVER YOU CAN RECYCLE
I THINK THE INTENT HERE IS THAT SOMEHOW THE PROVINCE WILL ADD SOME CHARGE TO THE MANUFACTURER DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND VOLUME OF THEIR PACKAGING.
THAT WILL PROBABLY ENCOURAGE THEM TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE PACKAGING BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT HALF OF IT IS UNNECESSARY IN SOME CASES.
BUT IS THAT WHERE WE GET THE WASTE DIVERSION FROM THE REDUCTION IN THE SIZE OF THE PACKAGING?
>> I THINK IT'LL BE THAT AS WELL AS THEY'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO USE PRODUCTS THAT HAVE AN END LIFE, THAT ACTUALLY HAS A MARKET LIFE AT THE END.
YOU'LL HEAR A LOT OF TIMES IF IT'S NOT A CERTAIN PAPER, IF IT'S NOT A CERTAIN TYPE OF, GLASS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO MARKET FOR GLASS.
LOTS OF TIMES PEOPLE SIT ON THAT AND THAT'S CHANGED OVER THE YEARS.
BASICALLY, WITH THE PRODUCERS, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH IDEAS OF WHATEVER THEY'RE USING FOR PACKAGING.
YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'LL STAY OUT OF THE LANDFILL, IT'LL HAVE A GOOD MARKET VALUE IN THE RECYCLING FIELD, AND SMALLER PACKAGING AS WELL OR STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT BASICALLY, THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN END LIFE INSTEAD OF NOT.
THAT'LL BE THE BIG THING. WHO KNOWS WHERE COST WILL BE PASSED DOWN AND IF IT WILL BE PASSED DOWN TO THE CONSUMER OR ANYTHING FROM THERE.
BUT IT WILL SAVE THE TAXPAYERS IN THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE COVERING THE ACTUAL COST TO COLLECT IT.
>> [NOISE] THANK YOU. COUNCILOR PATRIE.
>> THANK YOU. FOR CLARIFICATION TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.
MR. HALLOCH AND I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.
VIRTUALLY, WHAT THIS DOES IS EVENTUALLY MIRRORS THE ELECTRONIC DIPOLE ASPECT OF ELECTRONICS, WHERE ELECTRONICS ARE AT THE BURDEN OF THE MANUFACTURER WHO'S PASSING IT ONTO THE END-USER AT THE END OF THE DAY ANYWAY.
BUT THEY ARE GOING TO PICK UP OUR RECYCLING COSTS AND PAY THE RECYCLERS FOR OUR PICKUPS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THAT RECYCLING FEE ANYMORE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO PAY IT OUT OF THE FEE THAT THEY'RE CHARGING TO THE MANUFACTURER OF THE PRODUCT.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP OUR DIVERSION RATE, BUT IT MAY HELP THE DIVERSION RATE PROVINCIALLY BECAUSE THE MANUFACTURER WILL BE SMARTER TO USE LESS PACKAGING.
THE CONVERSATION THAT MR. HALLOCH AND I WERE HAVING IS SOME CONSUMERS MAY BECOME MORE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT IF I BUY BILLY BOB'S BAG OF BEATS AND IT'S A THREE-DOLLAR CHARGE FROM BILLY BOB'S COMPANY AND BETTY'S BEATS OR A $1.50, PEOPLE MAY BUY BETTY'S BEATS AND SAVE THAT $1.50 RECYCLING SERVICE FEE.
SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENS WITH ELECTRONICS NOWADAYS.
IT MAY ACTUALLY CREATE MORE DIVERSION BY DOING IT IN THAT ASPECT AND FORCING THE MANUFACTURERS TO USE SMALLER PACKAGING.
>> YEAH. LIKE I AGREED, WHEN THEY ALL GET ON BOARD, THEY'RE GOING TO END UP GETTING A CERTAIN SYMBOL THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT ONTO THEIR PACKAGING THAT'S GOING TO SHOW THAT THIS HAS GOT AN END LIFE AND DEFINITELY IS NOT GOING TO END UP IN THE LANDFILL.
>> YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU. MR. HALLOCH, THIS IS FOR THE CITIZENS, I THINK.
IS THERE GOING TO BE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO TRY TO PUSH THE MANUFACTURERS TO TRY TO USE AND DEVELOP PACKAGING AND MATERIALS THAT ARE FRIENDLIER? RATHER THAN THAT CELLOPHANE AND PLASTIC BAGS THAT JUST END UP IN THE LANDFILL ALL THE TIME, ARE THEY GOING TO BE ENCOURAGED TO USE MORE RECYCLABLE MATERIALS IN THE RETAILING OF THEIR PRODUCTS?
>> THAT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE PART OF IT.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS ONCE WE'RE ON TO THE PROGRAM, AND OBVIOUSLY, YOUR COSTS ARE BEING COVERED BY THESE OTHER COMPANIES, THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A LIST, AND THAT LIST IS GOING TO BE AMENDED AS MANY TIMES AS IT CAN BE.
BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A LIST OF WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING NOW,
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AND THE HARDEST PART IS WHEN YOU KNOW ALL THE CONTAMINATION AND STUFF.THAT'LL BE A BIG PART OF THE MUNICIPALITY AND WHOEVER IS WORKING IN THE FIELD TO STOP THINGS LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING SO WHEN IT GOES TO THE SEPARATION PLANTS, IT'S EASIER ON THEM.
IT'S DEFINITELY GOING TO ADD A LOT MORE PRODUCTS TO IT IS WHAT I HEARD.
WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THE PROGRAM, FROM THE THING IS THAT THEY WANT THESE PRODUCERS TO DEFINITELY PACKAGE WITH STUFF THAT IS WORTHWHILE FOR THESE COMPANIES LIKE GFL, AND COMPANIES LIKE THE OTHERS THINK COMPANIES LIKE THAT, BUT OUT THERE THAT THEY COULD GO AND SELL THIS STUFF OUT IN THE MARKET AND IT'LL ALL WORK SO EVERYBODY WANTS TO GET IT TO THEM AND THEN THEY'LL INCREASE THE LIST.
SO YEAH, THERE WILL BE LESS GOING TO THE LANDFILL AND PEOPLE BEING COGNIZANT OF THAT TOO WHEN THEY LOOK AT THE PACKAGING THAT SHOWS A CERTAIN SYMBOL ON IT, WHICH I BET YOU THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> [NOISE] OKAY. THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. HALLOCH.
I THINK WE'RE ALREADY STARTING TO SEE A LOT OF COMPANIES SWITCHING OVER TO BIODEGRADABLE PACKAGING, ALSO IN A LOT OF SOFTER PACKAGING, RATHER THAN HARDER PLASTICS.
ALSO WITH A LOT OF THE KIDS' SNACKS AND STRAWS, THAT WAS THE BIG NEW THING TOO.
WE'RE SEEING IT ALREADY AND IT'S APPRECIATED THAT WE'RE FORCING THE PRODUCERS TO START LOOKING AT OUR ENVIRONMENT.
THAT BEING SAID, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE, ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED, THANK YOU.
NO OUTSIDE BOARD COMMITTEE REPORTS.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS, WE GOT 9.19.2,
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THE REC HUB UPDATE AND ARTS AND CULTURE HUB UPDATE.MR. DANIELS IS THERE ANY UPDATES FOR US?
>> I'LL KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE REC HUB.
WE'RE HAVING A ZOOM CALL IN A COUPLE OF DAYS.
WE'RE MEETING WITH THE ENGINEERS TO TALK MORE ABOUT SOME OF THE SITE PREPPING AND PRELIMINARY DESIGN WORK FOR 151 ONTARIO.
STILL WORKING WITH THE LOBBYIST.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT ARRANGING SOME PUBLIC RELATIONS AROUND ELLIOT LAKE'S STRUGGLES WITH COVID AND THE NEED FOR FUNDING BECAUSE WE WANT TO BASICALLY PAINT A PICTURE OF OUR NEED FOR OUR SHARE OF THE FUNDING.
WE'RE STILL CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC.
WE'LL BE ON THAT PROVINCIAL LIST.
WE'RE STILL A FEW WEEKS AWAY, BUT I SHOULD KNOW MORE OF THE NEXT IN A WHILE AND DEFINITELY ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE ON THEM MORE IN A COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER THAT ZOOM CALL.
AT THE NEXT MEETING, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE MEAT TO THAT UPDATE ON THE SPORTS HUB.
ON THE ARTS HUB, WE MET AND REVIEWED THE TWO PROPOSALS FOR THE FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE ARTS AND CULTURE HUB.
THAT WENT WELL. WE SHOULD HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO AWARD AT OUR NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.
I'VE ALSO DRAFTED A FUNDING APPLICATION TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT WILL ALSO DO THE SAME CONTENT LARGELY, WILL BE HANDY FOR THE NOHFC AS WELL TO GET OUR APPLICATIONS IN.
WE HAVE TO JUST PHASE THAT IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE DO THE FUNDING APPLICATION AND THEN WAIT FOR AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT LETTER AND A FILE BEFORE WE CAN START TO INCUR EXPENSES.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T AWARD THE CONTRACT AT THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, HOPING TO GET THE ACTUAL WORK DONE IN EARNEST IN THE EARLY FALL-LATE SUMMER CONSULTATION PROCESS WITH ALL OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND WHATNOT.
THE FUNDING APPLICATION WOULD BE MINIMUM OF $0.5 FROM THE FEDS, BUT IT COULD GO UP WITH SOME MATCHING INTO THE 75-83 RANGE.
THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE GETTING THAT LINED UP.
THE DRAFT APPLICATION IS READY.
I'M JUST WORKING WITH MISS HENNESSY TO PULL IN SOME INFORMATION ON OUR FORMER TENANTS IN THE CIVIC CENTER AND OUR STAKEHOLDERS.
THE SCOPE OF WORK THERE, JUST TO REFRESH OUR MEMORIES AS WE'LL BE HIRING ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS TO DO A CONSULTATION PROCESS AND DEVELOP THE FEASIBILITY STUDY ON WHAT TO REBUILD TO REPLACE THE CIVIC CENTER WITH.
WHAT SIZE OF FOOTPRINT, WHAT TYPES OF USES, OBVIOUSLY THE MUSEUM AND THE THEATER, BUT WHAT ELSE DO WE PUT IN THERE? HOW DO WE CONSULT WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS TO FLESH THAT OUT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE AND COME UP WITH AN OPERATING AND CAPITAL BUDGET THAT'LL HELP FEED INTO THE FUNDING FOR THE CAPITAL FEES, WHICH COULD BE HAPPENING IN THE LATE FALL-EARLY WINTER, DEPENDING.
THE PROCESS SHOULD TAKE ABOUT 90 DAYS ONCE WE REALLY GET TO WORK IN EARNEST.
NOW WITH COVID LESSENING, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS IN THE FALL.
>> THAT'S THE ARTS CULTURE HUB AND SPORTS HUB.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN.
>> THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP. JUST ON THE LOBBYISTS FRONT, MR. DANIEL, WITH THE INITIAL UPSET LIMIT THAT WE HAD SET OR I DON'T KNOW IF HAD TRANSITIONED THAT TO ANNUALIZED DOLLARS, WHAT WOULD BE THE SCALE OF EXPENDITURE TO THIS POINT?
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OR NOT NOW, MAYBE NEXT MEETING.JUST CURIOUS ON LENGTH OF TIME AND WHAT TYPE OF INVOICES WE'D BE GETTING ON A DAILY BASIS.
OBVIOUSLY, DUE TO COVID, I'M SURE THERE WASN'T REALLY A LOT OF ACTIVITY, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT WOULD RAMP BACK UP NOW.
>> THEY'VE BEEN CLEAR THAT EVEN DURING COVID, THEY'VE STILL BEEN LOBBYING.
IT'S A $6,000 A MONTH RETAINER WE'RE LOOKING AT.
I THINK WE HAD FACTORED ENDING AROUND AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT $54,000 IN 2020.
I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW MANY MONTHS THERE WERE IN 2019.
I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE-CHECK WHEN WE INITIALLY RETAINED THE DAISY GROUP, BUT WE'LL KNOW FAIRLY SOON WHETHER THAT WAS WORTH THE INVESTMENT OR NOT.
THEY'RE CERTAINLY EASY TO WORK WITH AND ARE GIVING US ENOUGH COMFORT THAT THEY HAVE A METHODOLOGY IN IT.
THEY ARE TALKING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AT QUEEN'S PARK.
OF COURSE, ONCE WE GET ON THAT PROVINCIAL LIST THEN FOCUS WILL TRANSITION TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, NOT ONLY WITH THE LOBBYIST BUT WITH CAROL HUGHES, OUR MP, AND WHATNOT.
WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT STARTS TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
>> GOOD STUFF. ANY OTHER INQUIRIES? OKAY. I SEE NONE.
>> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOURSELF, MR. DANIEL?
>> OKAY. SO NO PETITIONS CORRESPONDENCE ON JULY 7TH, 2020,
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LETTER FROM [INAUDIBLE] REFERENCE BUSINESS RESTART PROJECTS WHERE WE'D PUT THAT FORWARD.WE DID REQUEST UPDATES, SO THAT'S NICE TO SEE.
VERY APPRECIATED. SINCE ANNOUNCING THE BUSINESS RESTART PROJECT, [INAUDIBLE] HAS RECEIVED SEVERAL INQUIRIES FOR ASSISTANCE.
BELOW IS A LIST OF CURRENT STATS FOR THE PROJECT.
NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS RECEIVED, THERE'S BEEN FOUR.
APPROVED APPLICATIONS, HAS BEEN FORWARD.
TOTAL AMOUNT DISPERSED $6,535.1.
THE REMAINING BALANCE IN THE FUND IS 243,464.99.
VERY MUCH APPRECIATED, AGAIN, COMING THIS WEEKEND.
I IMAGINE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME RESTAURANTS PLANNING TO REOPEN AND POSSIBLY OTHER BUSINESSES THAT MAY NEED ASSISTANCE ALSO, MR. DANIEL?
>> YEAH. I WAS TOLD THAT THERE HAD BEEN TWO MORE APPLICATIONS RECEIVED.
ONE HAS BEEN APPROVED, THE OTHER ONE IS PENDING.
SO IF WE ASSUME THAT THOSE TWO WOULD BE APPROVED OR IN A $10,000 DISPERSED SO FAR.
I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE GOOD JUST TO LEAVE IT ON THERE AS CORRESPONDENCE INDICATE THAT THE FUND IS STILL AVAILABLE, BUSINESSES WHO ARE LOOKING TO RESTART, TO GET BACK INTO THE FACE-TO-FACE AND WHATNOT.
CAN STILL CONTACT [INAUDIBLE] FOR FOR ASSISTANCE.
THE AVERAGE HAS BEEN $1,600 PER APPLICATION.
SOME A LITTLE BIT SMALLER, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. OBVIOUSLY.
>> VERY MUCH APPRECIATED, AGAIN, AND I'M GLAD WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HELP OUT SOME OF OUR BUSINESSES IN REOPENING THROUGH THIS.
THERE'S NO NOTICE IN MOTION, COUNCIL'S REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENT.
[13. COUNCIL REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]
SINCE THERE'S NO MAJOR GATHERINGS OR EVENTS ALLOWED, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT FOR THE COUNCIL'S REPORT THIS EVENING AS FAR AS OUR COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED.BUT I DO HAVE THE BIG TICKET ITEMS, AS FAR AS PAYING THE BILLS.
SO AS OF THE 25TH OF JUNE, WE HAD HYDRO FOR JUNE, 77,600.
MINISTER OF FINANCE PLEASING 752,850.
RECEIVE OF GENERAL, 75,000. [INAUDIBLE] PARK, 64 KILOWATT BATTERY BANK FROM ES HOLDINGS 61,700. BUSINESS RESTART PROJECT, 50,000.
RELIABLE INDUSTRY SUPPLY, ALUMINUM SULFATE SOLUTION, 24,400. [INAUDIBLE] ENGINEERING AND BUILDING INSPECTIONS, STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING, VALLEY CRESCENT REHAB, ENGINEERING RETAINER, LANDFILL EXPANSION, 39,000. [INAUDIBLE] COMPACT GAS VALVE TRAILER AND WAREHOUSE PARTS, 56,900.
AS OF JULY 9TH, [INAUDIBLE] GENERAL ASSEMBLY, 3,900. [INAUDIBLE] BUS LINES REGULAR TRANSIT, PLUS A BIT OF JUNE, WAS 29,500. [INAUDIBLE] DISTRICT SERVICES ADMINISTRATION BOARD JULY, [INAUDIBLE] 182,300. [INAUDIBLE] CONSTRUCTION [INAUDIBLE] LANDFILL [INAUDIBLE] THREE CORNERSTONE PAVING, 30,900.
MUNICIPAL PROPERTY ASSESSMENT QUARTER THREE FOR 2020, 35,000.
I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE HAS ANYTHING QUICK TO ADD TO THE COUNCIL'S REPORT.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL CARRY ON. NO ADDENDUM.
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INTRODUCTION, CONSIDERATION OF BYLAWS.[15. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BY-LAWS]
15.1 BYLAW 20-46 [INAUDIBLE] TO AUTHORIZE THE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH [INAUDIBLE] FOR CRACK SEALING.MOVED BY COUNCILOR MANN, SECOND BY COUNCILOR PEARCE.
QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? NONE, ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.
15.2 BYLAW 20-47. BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE ENTERING AN AGREEMENT WITH M&G FENCING FOR DUNLOP SHORES ROAD GUARD RAILS. MOVE UP PLEASE.
MOVE BY COUNSELOR CYR, SECOND BY COUNSELOR TURNER.
ABSOLUTELY. GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE TAKING CARE OF SOME OF THESE ISSUES A FEW YEARS LATER, BUT BEING DONE.
SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, [INAUDIBLE]. ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU. 15.3, 20-48.
BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE ENTERING THE AGREEMENT WITH PIONEER STEEL MANUFACTURERS LIMITED FOR A [INAUDIBLE] SHED.
MOVE BY COUNSELOR CYR, SECOND BY COUNSELOR TURNER.
QUESTIONS, QUALMS, QUERIES? NONE, ALL IN FAVOR.
THAT'S CARRIED ALSO. 15.4 BYLAW, 20-41.
BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE ENTERING INTO AN AGREEMENT FROM PROVISION OF SERVICES WITH RESPECT TO THE OPERATION OF LANDFILL SITE.
MOVER, PLEASE, COUNSELOR MANN, SECOND BY COUNSELOR TURNER.
QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? NONE. ALL IN FAVOR.
PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD, AND WE DID GET ONE QUESTION SENT TO US
[16. PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD]
THIS EVENING FROM MR. KEITH [INAUDIBLE].SO I DO NOTE THAT THE SITUATION ON LIBRARY IS NOT ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA, HAS BEEN ON LAST FEW MEETINGS OF COUNSEL.
CAO COMBINED UPDATES, THE ROOF CONDITION OF THE LIBRARY, AND FORMER TURNER'S PACE WITH UPDATES WITH OUR HUB AND ARTS AND CULTURE.
THE LAST TIME IT WAS RELAYED THAT REPAIRS SHOULD BE COMPLETED IN JULY 2020 AND WE'RE NOW IN MID-JULY, IS THERE PROGRESS REPORT AVAILABLE AS TO WHEN WE MAY EXPECT OUR LIBRARY BACK IN AT LEAST LIMITED TO ACCESS SERVICE, GIVEN THE PROVINCE HAS PERMITTED LIBRARY OPENINGS AND WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE PUBLIC WASHROOMS. MR. DANIEL?
>> WELL, WE ARE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT WE WILL BE SEEING SOME ACTIVITY WITHIN THE WEEK.
WE STILL NEED SOME DRAWINGS TO COMFORT OURSELVES FOR THE PERMANENT ANGLE, BUT WE ARE, AGAIN, CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC THAT THE LANDLORD WILL BE DOING THE REPAIRS TO THE ROOF IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
IT'LL TAKE SEVERAL WEEKS, BUT OBVIOUSLY IT'S A LONG TIME COMING.
AGAIN, IF WE TAKE THE LANDLORD AT HIS WORD THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ROOF REPAIRED AND ACCESS TO THE LIBRARY BY THE LATE SUMMER, EARLY FALL, SAY SEPTEMBER, THAT WILL ALSO ALLOW US ACCESS TO THE FORMER RETAIL SPACE THERE.
I SHOULD JUST CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD JUST TO REFRESH COUNCIL'S MEMORY, WE HAVEN'T PAID A DIME IN RENT FOR THE RETAIL SPACE OR THE LIBRARY SINCE 10 DAYS AFTER IT WAS CLOSED DUE TO THE ROOF LEAKS.
SO WE HAVEN'T BEEN OUT OF POCKET ANYTHING SINCE THEN.
OBVIOUSLY, IT'S ONLY SMALL SOLACE THAT WE ALSO HAVEN'T HAD A LIBRARY, BUT IT DOES LOOK LIKE FINALLY, WE'LL BE SEEING SOME ACTIVITY THERE THIS SUMMER AND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET OUR LIBRARY BACK IN THE EARLY FALL.
>> THAT PROBABLY GO WITH THE PUBLIC WASHROOMS ONCE THE LIBRARIES OPEN, MR. DANIEL?
>> YES, WE CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC WASHROOMS, THE FORMER RETAIL SPACE OR THAT AREA IN THE MIDDLE UNTIL THE REPAIRS ARE EFFECTIVE AND WE'VE COMFORT OURSELVES THAT IT'S SAFE.
THEN AT THAT POINT, WE COULD LOOK AT THOSE WASHROOMS AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU. NO CLOSED SESSION, WE WILL BE HOLDING A SPECIAL MEETING FOR A CLOSED SESSION ITEMS COME THURSDAY AT 06:00 PM. 18, CONFIRMATION BYLAW.
[18. CONFIRMATORY BY-LAW]
BEING A BYLAW TO CONFIRM THE PROCEEDINGS OF COUNSEL AT ITS MEETING HELD MONDAY, JULY 13TH, 2020.MOVE BY COUNSELOR TURNER, SECOND BY COUNSELOR PEARCE ALL IN FAVOR? THAT'S CARRIED. ANY OPPOSED? NOTED. MOTION TO ADJOURN, MOVE BY COUNSELOR MANN, SECOND BY COUNSELOR PATRIE.
THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT, COUNCILOR FINAMORE, AND GOODNIGHT, EVERYBODY.
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