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>> THIS MEETING IS OFFICIALLY NOW IN SESSION.
[1. CALL TO ORDER]
THIS IS A SPECIAL PUBLIC MEETING CITY OF COUNCIL ELLIOT LAKE FOR A ZONING BY-LAW AMENDMENT.[3.1. Application for Zoning By-Law Amendment - 12 Maple Road]
THIS PUBLIC MEETING IS HELD BY COUNCIL UNDER SECTION 34 OF THE PLANNING ACT.A MEETING IS TO BE CONSIDERING A ZONING BY-LAW AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF ELLIOT ZONING BY-LAW 18-36.
PROPOSED ZONING BY-LAW AMENDMENT APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED AS PCL 2547.
SCCES LOT 191-PL M145 COUNTRYMAN STLT 34313E ELLIOT LAKE KNOWN MUNICIPALLY AS 12 MAPLE ROAD.
THE EFFECT OF THE PROPOSED ZONING BY-LAW AMENDMENT IS TO PERMIT A BULK ITEMS REFILLERY RETAIL STORE AS A PERMITTED HOME BASED BUSINESS ON SUBJECT PROPERTY.
PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL PERMIT GOODS, WARES, MERCHANDISE, PRODUCT PRODUCED ELSEWHERE TO BE SOLD ON THE PREMISE.
NOTICE THE CIRCULATION APPEAL STATEMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANNING ACT.
THE PUBLIC MEETING IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE PLANNING ACT.
IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLANNING ACT, NOTICE MUST BE GIVEN AT LEAST 20 DAYS BEFORE THE PUBLIC MEETING IS HELD.
NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC MEETING WAS GIVEN OUT JULY 4TH, 2022, BY-LAW AND PLANNING COMMITTEE MEETING AND PUBLISHED IN THE JULY 21ST 2022 EDITION OF THE ELIOT LAKE STANDARD.
IF YOU WISH TO BE NOTIFIED OF THE DECISION OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE ON THE PROPOSED ZONING BY-LAW AMENDMENT, YOU MUST MAKE A WRITTEN REQUEST TO THE CITY.
IF A PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY WOULD OTHERWISE HAVE AN ABILITY TO APPEAL THE DECISION OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE TO THE LOCAL PLANNING APPEAL TRIBUNAL BUT THE PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY DOES NOT MAKE ORAL SUBMISSION AT A PUBLIC MEETING OR MAKE WRITTEN SUBMISSION TO THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE BEFORE THE BY-LAW HAS PASSED, THE PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY IS NOT ENTITLED TO APPEAL THE DECISION.
IF A PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY DOES NOT MAKE ORAL SUBMISSIONS AT PUBLIC MEETING OR MAKE WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS IN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE BEFORE THE BYLAWS PASS, THE PERSON OR PUBLIC BODY MAY NOT BE ADDRESSED AS A PARTY TO THE HEARING OF AN APPEAL BEFORE THE LOCAL PLANNING APPEAL TRIBUNAL.
UNLESS IN THE OPINION OF THE TRIBUNAL, THERE ARE REASONABLE GROUNDS TO DO SO.
BEING ON 3.1, I'D LOOK FOR THE APPLICANT'S COMMENTS IF SHE WISHES TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
MS. SUU KYI, ANY COMMENTS? YOU'D HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MIC.
IF YOU JUST WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO SAY, YOU HAVE TO TURN THE MIC ON AND A LITTLE GREEN LIGHT THERE.
THEN YOU HAVE TO STAND ON YOUR LEFT FOOT. [LAUGHTER]
>> YEAH. I'D BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THE MOBILE REFILLERY IF YOU HAD ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S IN THE APPLICATION.
>> I DO. FOR CLARITY, WHAT TYPES OF PRODUCTS COULD PEOPLE BRING SAY SHAMPOO BOTTLES OR EMPTY LAUNDRY BOTTLES FOR REFILLING?
>> ABSOLUTELY. IT'S A MOBILE REFILLERY FOR HOUSEHOLD ESSENTIALS AND PERSONAL CARE.
SO ANYTHING FOR KITCHEN, LAUNDRY, BATHROOM, CLEANING PRODUCTS AND PERSONAL CARE.
LIKE YOU SAID, IT COULD BE LAUNDRY DETERGENT, IT COULD BE DISH SOAP, SHAMPOO OR CONDITIONER, DEODORANTS, TOOTHPASTE, ANY CLEANING PRODUCTS.
IT BASICALLY COVERS ALL THE ESSENTIAL ITEMS IN THE HOME AND PERSONAL CARE.
IT'S REALLY TO REDUCE SINGLE USE PLASTIC WASTE SO PEOPLE CAN REFILL THEIR OWN CONTAINERS THAT THEY HAVE FROM HOME.
IF YOUR DISH SOAP BOTTLE IS EMPTY INSTEAD OF THROWING THAT IN THE RECYCLING BIN, YOU CAN BRING IT TO ME AND I COULD REFILL IT.
ESSENTIALLY THE REFILLERY IS BASED ON PRICING BY WEIGHT.
YOU JUST PAY FOR THE PRODUCT YOU'RE NOT GETTING IN YOUR CONTAINER EVERY TIME.
THE WASTE IS REALLY REDUCED FOR ALL OF THOSE ESSENTIAL ITEMS THAT PEOPLE TEND TO BUY ON A REGULAR BASIS.
>> SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT ENVIRONMENTAL INITIATIVE.
>> THANK YOU. MS. SUU KYI FIRST OF ALL, I LIKE THE IDEA.
ANYTHING THAT REDUCES OUR PLASTIC WASTE IS CERTAINLY GOING TO BE A BENEFIT.
BUT TELL ME ABOUT YOUR PRODUCT.
ARE YOU MANUFACTURING ANY OF THIS PRODUCT THERE? WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC WILL WE SEE ON THE STREET AS A RESULT OF YOUR BUSINESS?
>> I'M NOT PRODUCING ANY OF THE PRODUCTS MYSELF, SO I CARRY A VARIETY OF SUPPLIERS.
THEY'RE ALL CANADIAN AND I TRY TO SOURCE AS LOCAL AS POSSIBLE.
SO A LOT OF MY SUPPLIERS ARE EITHER FROM ONTARIO OR
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QUEBEC AND SOME OF THEM ARE FROM OUT WEST.BUT GENERALLY, I TRY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE CANADIAN COMPANIES, AND I LOOK FOR COMPANIES THAT ALSO USE SAFE INGREDIENTS.
SO NOT ONLY ARE WE LOOKING AT REDUCING THE SINGLE USE PLASTIC WASTE FROM THE CONTAINERS, BUT ALSO WHAT'S IN THE PRODUCTS.
ALL OF THESE THINGS GO DOWN THE DRAIN INTO OUR WATER SYSTEMS AND EVERYTHING.
MAKING SURE THAT THE PRODUCTS ARE BIODEGRADABLE AND THAT THERE'S NO TOXINS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S MY MAIN CRITERIA FOR LOOKING AT WHAT PRODUCTS I'M CARRYING.
IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, IT'S AN ONLINE STORE.
PEOPLE PLACE THEIR ORDERS ONLINE AND I HAVE TWO DELIVERY NIGHTS A WEEK.
ON MONDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS I DO LOCAL DELIVERIES MYSELF.
THERE'S ALSO THE OPTION OF IN-STORE PICKUP OR NOT IN-STORE, BUT I HAVE BASICALLY A BIN AT MY FRONT DOOR SO PEOPLE CAN JUST DO A NON-CONTACT PICK UP OF THEIR ORDER.
I WOULD JUST PLACE IT IN THE BIN.
THEY'RE NOTIFIED WHEN IT'S READY.
THEY JUST COME BY, PICK IT UP AND LEAVE.
THERE'S NO INTERACTION REALLY.
IT'S JUST AN ONLINE STORE WITH THE OPTION FOR THAT.
NO CONTACT PICK UP. IT'S ABOUT I WOULD SAY IT'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE ABOUT 50-50 WHERE PEOPLE ARE OPTING FOR DELIVERY VERSUS THE PICKUP OPTION.
>> GREAT [INAUDIBLE] THE IDEA AND WE'RE NOT TALKING HUNDREDS OF CLIENTS A DAY.
[LAUGHTER] RIGHT NOW IT'S A BIT OF A SMALLER BUSINESS RIGHT NOW.
THIS ISN'T WHAT I DO FULL TIME.
IT'S SOMETHING I'M DOING ON THE SIDE.
I ALSO HAVE ALMOST A FULL TIME JOB I JUST STARTED WITH PUBLIC HEALTH.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HEARD THAT BEFORE WE STARTED, BUT I'M THERE FOUR DAYS A WEEK.
SO THIS IS A BIT OF A SMALLER KIND OF SIDE BUSINESS THAT I'M TRYING TO BUILD UP ON TOP OF MY JOB.
I LIKE THE NAMING SUU KYI THAT IT'S A MOBILE REFILLERY BUT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT BEING A RETAIL STORE.
THE WAY THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING IT, I WOULDN'T BE NEARLY AS MUCH OPPOSED TO.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT TAKE OFF THAT AS COUNCILOR TURNER SAYS, YOU'RE NOT SEEING 100 CLIENTS A DAY.
I WOULD LOVE YOU TO SEE 100 CLIENTS A DAY.
IT'S AN ECOLOGICAL WIN FOR EVERYBODY, IF EVERYBODY WERE TO DO THIS.
I GET IT THAT IT'S VERY SLOW RIGHT NOW, MY PREDICAMENT IS WE BECOME PRECEDENT SETTING.
IF IT WAS STRICTLY AN ONLINE STORE AND YOU'RE DOING IT AS A MOBILE REFILLERY AND YOU'RE DELIVERING THE MAJORITY OF THE PRODUCTS, OR THEY'RE JUST COMING TO PICK IT UP AT A THEM THAT'S PREPAID.
IT'S NOT REALLY A RETAIL STORE.
THAT'S NOT WHAT OUR MEMO AND OUR ZONING AMENDMENT STATES.
MY PREDICAMENT BECOMES THAT IT'S BECOMES A RETAIL STORE IN A NON-COMMERCIAL SETTING.
I UNDERSTAND THE REPORT SHOWS THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PROVINCIAL POLICY STATEMENT.
BUT THE PROVINCIAL POLICY STATEMENT IS TO BRING COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES OR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES AND MERGE THEM AND MELD THEM WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
TO BE CONVERTING A PART OF A HOME, I DON'T KNOW.
MR. [INAUDIBLE] HOW TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS.
YOU WOULD NOT BE TAXED AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
YOU WOULD NOT BE BILLED FOR WATER AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, WHICH IS DOUBLE WHAT RESIDENTIAL IS.
I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE INTERESTED IN SAYING WE'RE GOING TO USE A SINGLE TAX RATE AND PUT THEM BOTH AS AN EQUAL TAX GOING BECAUSE I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF THAT.
I UNDERSTAND THAT COMMERCIAL PEOPLE ARE MAKING A PROFIT FROM THEIR BUSINESS AND THEY SHOULD BE PAYING MORE OF THEIR SHARE OR MORE OF THESE SHARE TOWARDS THE BURDEN OF THE MUNICIPALITY BECAUSE WE ARE CREATING REVENUE AS A BUSINESS.
I FIND IT VERY HARD THAT THE WORDING SAYS THAT IT'S A RETAIL STORE, IT'S MY ISSUE, THAT IT'S OPEN-ENDED AND IT'S PRECEDENT SETTING.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS AN AMAZING THING.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS MOVE FORWARD, BUT THE PREDICAMENT BECOMES WHAT HAPPENS IF THE FOOD STORE THAT IS IN COMMERCIAL SPACE DECIDES TO DO THE SAME THING AS REFILLERIES OF FOOD AS OPPOSED TO CLEANING MATERIALS, AND THEY MOVE IN NEXT DOOR TO YOU AND WE'VE ALREADY SAID YES TO ONE WE HAVE TO SAY YES TO THEM ALL.
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THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN WITH THIS, THAT IT YOU DON'T BECOME LIABLE FOR ANNUAL FIRE INSPECTIONS, YOU DON'T BECOME LIABLE FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.BUT I HAVE A MAJOR CONCERN WITH PUTTING A RETAIL STORE IN PART OF A HOME.
THAT IS NOT HOW THIS MUNICIPALITY WAS DESIGNED IT'S NOT BUILT THAT WAY.
ANY FURTHER GROWTH WE NORMALLY DO PUT COMMERCIAL SPACE INTO RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT, AND THAT IS WHAT THE PROVINCIAL POLICY STATEMENT DOES DO.
THAT IS WHAT OUR OFFICIAL PLAN DOES.
OUR OFFICIAL PLAN SAYS NO RETAIL IN RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
THAT'S WHY YOU NEED THE ZONING AMENDMENT APPLICATION.
BUT I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU BE DOING HUNDREDS OF CUSTOMERS A WEEK.
I THINK IT IS A PERFECT FIT NOT ONLY IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
AND THESE REFILLERIES USUALLY ARE IN A COMMERCIAL SPACE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES.
SABRI, I KNOW, HAS TWO OF THEM THAT I KNOW OF, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE MORE.
BUT THOSE ARE IN COMMERCIAL SPACES AS WELL. THAT'S MY ISSUE.
MS. I'LL HOLD ON TO THAT BECAUSE MS. ROSE IS UP NEXT, SO SHE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT AFTER WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL. COUNCIL PEARSE.
>> THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP FOR YOU [INAUDIBLE] BY THE WAY WELCOME THE APH.
>> I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE A GREAT ASSET TO THE ORGANIZATION.
AS MR. PATRY HAS POINTED OUT, THE PROPOSED ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT AND POLICIES OF THE PROVINCIAL POLICY STATEMENT, THE GROWTH PLAN FOR NORTHERN ONTARIO AND THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE'S OFFICIAL PLAN.
THERE IS NO REASON TO OPPOSE THIS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
AS FOR WHETHER OR NOT A BULK FOOD STORE WANTS TO MAKE AN APPLICATION TO DO THE SAME THING, WE WILL LOOK AT IT AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
UNTIL THEN, I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT TOO MUCH. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU WORSHIP. COUNCILOR TURNER'S QUESTIONS WERE SIMILAR TO MINE, BASICALLY LOGISTICS OF PICKUP AND DELIVERY AND HOW THAT WAS GOING TO WORK.
BUT MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT AND THANK YOU, MR. CHIEF, FOR COMING FORWARD THIS EVENING IS, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR REQUESTING THIS ZONING AMENDMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE AWARE THAT THERE ARE RULES AND YOU JUST DIDN'T OPEN IT WITHOUT ABIDING BY THE RULES.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE ARE BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE IN THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT THAT.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD.
I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART.
WE TRY TO WORK WITHIN A REALM OF RULES AND BEING REASONABLE AND KNOWING THAT OUR RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO CREATE ANOTHER BUSINESS ARE COMING FORWARD TO DO THIS ARE DOING IT IN THE PROPER WAY.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.
>> THANK YOU, MISS SUCHI. I'LL MOVE INTO 3.2 AND ALLOW THE SARAH FROM [INAUDIBLE] RICHARDS DO THE EXPLANATION.
WE HAVE 3.2 ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT APPLICATION FROM [INAUDIBLE] RICHARDS OF LAW.
[3.2. Report from J.L. Richards]
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND GIVING US A QUICK OVERVIEW.MS. ROSE MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER COUNSELOR PATRICK'S CONCERN AT THE SAME TIME.
>> CERTAINLY. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.
AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A ZONING BYLAW AMENDMENT APPLICATION TO PERMIT EVERY SALARY RETAIL BUSINESS AS A HOME BASED BUSINESS, ACCESSORY TO AN EXISTING DWELLING, AND THE AMENDMENT WILL PERMIT GOODS, WARES AND MERCHANDISE PRODUCED ELSEWHERE TO BE SOLD ON THE PREMISES.
THAT'S REALLY WHERE THE RETAIL COMPONENT COMES IN FOR THIS PROPOSED USE.
THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS LOCATED AT 12 MAPLE ROAD.
IT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE OF MAPLE ROAD BETWEEN CENTRAL AVENUE AND SPRUCE AVENUE.
THE PROPERTY HAS AN AREA OF APPROXIMATELY 500 SQUARE METERS AND A FRONTAGE OF APPROXIMATELY 17 METERS ON MAPLE ROAD.
IT IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY AN EXISTING DETACHED RESIDENTIAL DWELLING AND THE BUSINESS WOULD BE LOCATED IN THE DWELLING ITSELF.
AS MENTIONED BY THE APPLICANT, THE REFILLERY BUSINESS SELLS BULK REFILLABLE PRODUCTS AND THE APPLICANT IS CURRENTLY USING A ROOM IN THE BASEMENT AS A STOCKROOM TO HOLD THE INVENTORY.
AS NOTED, A MAJORITY OF THE REFILL ORDERS ARE DELIVERY WITH SOME OR I GUESS AS WAS JUST MENTIONED TONIGHT, I GUESS IT'S 50-50.
MOSTLY BY DELIVERY ORDERS AND PICKUP ORDERS.
THROUGH OUR REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION AND AS PRESENTED IN THE MEMO THAT COUNCIL HAS, WE REVIEWED IT BASED ON THE PROVINCIAL POLICY STATEMENT, THE GROWTH PLAN FOR NORTHERN ONTARIO, THE CITY'S OFFICIAL PLAN, AND THE CITY'S ZONING BYLAW.
WE DO FEEL THAT THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PPS AS THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SETTLEMENT AREA OF THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE,
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AND IT HAS ACCESS TO MUNICIPAL SERVICING AS WELL AS ADEQUATE ROAD NETWORK.THE PROPOSAL TO PERMIT A HOME BASED BUSINESS SUPPORTS A SMALL LOCAL BUSINESS THAT'S STARTING OUT AND PROMOTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY.
ADDITIONALLY, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY MAJOR NOISE OR NUISANCE DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE PROPOSED BUSINESS.
SIMILARLY, WITH RESPECT TO THE GROWTH PLAN FOR NORTHERN ONTARIO, THIS DOCUMENT GENERALLY SUPPORTS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND INNOVATIVE BUSINESS IDEAS.
THE PROPOSED USER IS SUPPORTED OR DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH THE GROWTH PLAN FOR NORTHERN ONTARIO.
WITH RESPECT TO THE OFFICIAL PLAN, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE URBAN SETTLEMENT AREA, AND IS DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL.
THE OFFICIAL PLAN DOES CONTAIN POLICIES ON HOME BASED BUSINESSES AND NOTES TO PROVIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
IT'S THE POLICY OF COUNCIL TO PERMIT HOME BASED BUSINESSES, AND THAT RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN THE CITY ARE PERMITTED TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS AND OTHER COMPATIBLE USES, INCLUDING NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL USES.
AT THIS SCALE, WITH THE PROPOSED NATURE OF THE HOME BASED BUSINESS, WE DO FEEL THAT THIS CONFORMS TO THE CITY'S OFFICIAL PLAN.
FINALLY, WITH RESPECT TO THE ZONING BYLAW, RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE AND TWO UNIT DWELLINGS.
THIS ZONE DOES PERMIT HOME BASED BUSINESSES AS OF RIGHT IN THE ZONE.
BUT AS IS MENTIONED, IT DOESN'T PERMIT THE RETAIL COMPONENT SPECIFICALLY DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THOSE GOODS WARES MERCHANDISE OTHER THAN WHAT'S PRODUCED ON THE PREMISES TO BE OFFERED FOR SALE.
THOSE TWO COMPONENTS ARE WHAT THE EXCEPTION IS FOR.
THE ZONING BYLAW IMPORTANTLY DOES INCLUDE OTHER CRITERIA WHICH LIMITS THE SCALE AND NATURE OF A HOME BASED BUSINESS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH OUR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, AS WELL AS THE PART OF THE PURPOSE OF THE HOME BASED BUSINESS, COULD BE SOMEWHAT STARTING OUT, MAYBE CREATING A BUSINESS, TESTING THE WATERS, AND IF IT GETS BIGGER BEYOND THE SCALE OF WHAT WOULD THAT BE PERMITTED IN THE ZONING BYLAW, THEN IT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO PERHAPS SEEK A RELOCATION TO A MORE APPROPRIATE COMMERCIAL AREA.
WE DO HAVE THE OTHER CRITERIA OF SECTION 5.6 FROM THE ZONING BYLAW, WHICH ARE LAID OUT IN THE MEMORANDUM, WHICH LIMITS THE SCALE AND SCOPE OF OUR HOME BASED BUSINESSES, INCLUDING THIS ONE.
THAT HAS THE CRITERIA OF THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.
THE CRITERIA INDICATES THAT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE OTHER THAN THE OCCUPANTS OF THE DWELLING.
THAT AREA OF THE DWELLING OCCUPIED HAS TO BE LESS THAN 25 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA OF THE DWELLING.
THERE IS ALSO A LIMITATION ON SIGNAGE, ON CHANGING THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
WE STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL THAT THIS IS PRIMARILY A DWELLING, AS WELL AS CONTAINING CRITERIA ABOUT NOT BECOMING A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND PARKING.
WE DO FEEL THAT THE CRITERIA LAID OUT IN SECTION 5.6 ARE MET BY THE PROPOSAL, AND THAT IS IMPORTANT JUST AS A RESPONSE TO THE CONCERNS RAISED BY COUNSELOR PATRICK, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL MEASURES WHICH LIMIT THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE USE TO NOT BECOMING SOMETHING MORE, WHERE IT'S MORE OF A PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL USE OR JUST A LARGER COMMERCIAL USE THAN WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO SEE PERMITTED IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
OVERALL, WE DO FEEL THAT THE APPLICATION FOR THE AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE TPS, THE GROWTH PLAN FOR NORTHERN ONTARIO, AND CONFORMS TO THE CITY'S OFFICIAL PLAN.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT COUNCIL ENACT THE BYLAW.
TERESA ON THE SUBJECT PLANS TO PERMIT THE REFINERY AS A HOME BASE BUSINESS TO ALLOW FOR THE SALE OF GOODS, WARES, AND MERCHANDISE PRODUCED ELSEWHERE TO BE SOLD ON THE PROPERTY.
I WOULD JUST MENTION TO YOU AS A NOTE TO COUNSELOR PATRICK'S COMMENTS.
I DO FEEL THAT THE CRITERIA CONTAINED IN SECTION 5.6 DO SUFFICIENTLY LIMIT THE SCOPE AND THE SCALE OF THE PROPOSED BUSINESS TO THOSE CONCERNED ABOUT IT GOING TO SOMETHING MAYBE LARGER OR MORE OF A RETAIL STORE.
THAT BEING THE HOME BASED BUSINESS AND SECONDARY.
BUT WE CAN HAVE ADDITIONAL MEASURES IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO LIMIT THAT RETAIL STORE COMPONENT TO MAYBE BEING JUST THE PICKUP OR THE DELIVERIES THAT THE APPLICANT WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WE MIGHT JUST WANT TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND IF SHE IS ANTICIPATING HAVING A STORE AS IN PEOPLE COMING IN, PERUSING, AND THEN LEAVING, OR IF SHE'S INTENDING TO KEEP IT AS THAT DELIVERY AND PICKUP, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD INCLUDE IN THE ZONING BILATERAL LIMIT THAT POTENTIAL, IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
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HOWEVER, AS I NOTED, THIS HOME BASED BUSINESS AND GENERALLY HOME BASED BUSINESS POLICIES ARE MEANT TO ALLOW NOT ONLY JUST A SMALL SCALE HOME BASE USE THAT MIGHT REMAIN IN PERPETUITY, BUT ALSO THOSE STARTER TYPE BUSINESSES, WHICH MAYBE IT'S THEY'RE TESTING NEW GROUNDS.ONCE IT GETS TO A CERTAIN SCALE OR CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CUSTOMER BASE, IT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO LOCATE ELSEWHERE IN A COMMERCIAL AREA.
I DO FEEL THAT THOSE THOSE CONCERNS ARE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE AMENDMENT AS IT AS IT'S RECOMMENDED RIGHT NOW.
I CAN CERTAINLY TAKE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR GAIL RICHARDS? THANK YOU. I AM FIVE [OVERLAPPING].
>> SORRY, I THINK COUNSELOR PATRICK HAS A QUESTION.
>> DID NOT SEE THE HAND WAVE. COUNSELOR PATRICK.
>> THANK YOU. WORSHIP THROUGH YOU, TO MS. VAROSE.
WOULD YOU BE RECOMMENDING THAT WE CHANGE THE ZONING AMENDMENT? IF THE PROPONENT IS AGREEABLE THAT IT BECOMES STRICTLY WHAT SHE HAS STATED, THAT IT IS A MOBILE REFILLERY AND THAT IT IS NOT ACTUALLY A RETAIL STORE.
THAT'S MY ONLY ISSUE IS IS THE FACT THAT, WE'RE GOING DOWN A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A 4000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, THEY CAN PUT A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT RETAIL STORE AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING COMMERCIAL TAX.
IT'S APPARENT YOU DON'T PAY COMMERCIAL WATER.
YOU'RE NOT BOUND BY THE MUNICIPALITY TO TAKE CARE OF HAVING YOUR ANNUAL FIRE INSPECTIONS.
YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE COMMERCIAL INSURANCE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE AND YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE A VENDOR'S PERMIT NUMBER.
YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE AN HST NUMBER.
TRUST ME MR. GIA, I KNOW YOU AND YOUR FAMILY VERY WELL.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO IT TO SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMAN SAYS, YOU FOUND OUT THAT YOU WEREN'T FOLLOWING THE RULES, SO YOU'VE APPLIED ALL THE RULES.
I BELIEVE THAT YOU WILL DO THAT.
THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT IF WE CAN CHANGE THE ZONING TO THE WORDING, AS MS. VAROSE SAID, I WOULD BE 100 PERCENT FAVOR OF THIS BECAUSE YES, IT IS A NEW START UP BUSINESS AND IF IT DOES TAKE OFF WITH IT, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT TAKE OFF.
IT WOULD END UP IN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
THE PREDICAMENT I HAVE IS THAT.
IT'S A RETAIL SETTING, DOING A RESIDENTIAL SETTING BEING A RETAIL STORE THAT I HOPE WOULD GROW.
>> I'LL JUST PROVIDE MAYBE ONE COMMENT ON THAT.
I THINK IF WE COULD MAYBE HAVE THE APPLICANT JUST RESPOND ABOUT THE THE RETAIL SIDE OF THINGS TOO, BUT JUST TO PROVIDE A COMMENT ON THAT ONE WE DO.
IF WE WERE CONSIDERING OTHER APPLICATIONS AND IN THIS APPLICATION ITSELF, WE DID CONSIDER THE AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WAS USED FOR THE BUSINESS ITSELF, BECAUSE ONE OF THE OTHER CRITERIA LISTED WAS THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT.
WHEN WE ARE CONSIDERING A RETAIL COMPONENT OR AN OFFICE OR SOME OTHER HOME BASED BUSINESS, THERE IS PARKING REQUIRED.
IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A LARGER RETAIL COMPONENT, THEN ADDITIONAL PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED, WHICH MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE PROVIDED ON RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND THEN MAY NOT HAVE A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION AS A RESULT OF THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, OR JUST AGAIN, IF WE'RE CONSIDERING A MUCH LARGER RETAIL COMPONENT, THAT THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT MAY BE IT MIGHT NOT MEET SOME OF THOSE OTHER SECTION 5.6 CRITERIA, OF THE ZONING BYLAW.
THE OTHER THING JUST TO NOTE IS ALL OF ANY APPLICATION WE DO CONSIDER, WE LOOK AT THIS ONCE ON MAPLE STREET AND HERE'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED FOR THE USE.
HERE'S WHAT THE LAYOUT LOOKS LIKE.
WE LOOK AT EACH OF THOSE THINGS IN SPECIFIC SO WE'RE NOT PRECEDENT SETTING.
WHILE IT IS HELPFUL AND WE CAN REFER TO OTHER EXAMPLES OF WHERE THINGS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED.
THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN BECAUSE WE APPROVED IT FOR WHAT WE NEED TO OPERATE FOR ALL.
WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE CRITERIA, THE APPLICABLE POLICY FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION.
>> THANK YOU, MR. ROY. I THINK YOU YOU MADE IT QUITE CLEAR THAT THIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION MEETS REQUIREMENTS IN ANY FUTURE APPLICATION, YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE THESE TYPE OF BUSINESS, THAT SPACE NEED AND WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY DOING.
IT'S NOT OPENING A PRECEDENCE FOR ANY RETAIL TO GO INTO RESIDENTIAL.
I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED THE QUESTION QUITE WELL. THANK YOU.
AS WE'RE GETTING THE ONE TIME FOR THIS PUBLIC MEETING, I'D LIKE TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT THIS EVENING.
NO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. WE STILL HAVE TO DEBATE THIS A BIT DURING COUNCIL.
I'D ASK A FINAL TIME IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS AMENDMENT.
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A THIRD TIME JUST IN CASE YOU WANT TO RUN UP TO THE MIKE RIGHT NOW.COUNSELOR PATRICK, LAST COMMENT.
>> FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU WORSHIP.
WELL, MR. ROY AT THE COUNCIL MEETING SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS IF WE'RE GOING TO AMEND THE WAY THAT THIS IS WORDED.
BUT YOU DIDN'T ALLOW MS. SUCHI RESPOND TO THAT.
>> MS. VAROSE RESPONDED QUITE CLEARLY.
MS. VAROSE ARE YOU GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN A HALF HOUR?
>> YES. I CAN ATTEND IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
>> I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL JUST TO UNDERSTAND FROM.
I'M QUITE COMFORTABLE RECOMMENDING THE APPLICATION AS IT IS.
IT MAY BE HELPFUL JUST TO HAVE THE APPLICANT'S COMMENT ON IF SHE DOES ANTICIPATE THAT RETAIL COMPONENT WITH PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OR IF IT IS INTENDED TO REMAIN THE DELIVERY AND PICKUP METHOD.
>> YEAH, NO PROBLEM. THE INTENTION IS NEVER TO HAVE ANY CUSTOMERS COME INTO THE HOME.
THE INTENTION WAS ALWAYS TO ONLY HAVE THE DELIVERY OR PICKUP OPTIONS.
AS YOU MENTIONED, IT WAS MORE TO TEST THE WATERS TO SEE IF THERE'S A MARKET FOR THIS IN ELLIOT LAKE.
HOPEFULLY IT GROWS, PERHAPS DOWN THE ROAD.
IF IT DOES GET BIGGER, THEN I WOULD LOVE TO GET INTO A RETAIL SPACE.
BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD IT WOULD STAY AS DELIVERY AND PICKUP ONLY.
>> PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LOOK FOR ADJOURNMENT.
THIS PUBLIC MEETING PROCESS NOW COMPLETED COUNCIL WILL GIVE CAREFUL CONSIDERATION TO ALL THE COMMENTS RECEIVED ON PROPOSED BYLAW AMENDMENT.
IF APPROVED, THE BYLAW WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO A FUTURE MEETING OF COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION PASSING.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW COMPLETE.
THANK YOU. [NOISE]
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.