Aug 24, 2020 City Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THIS REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING OF COUNCIL FOR THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, 7:00 P.M.

MONDAY, AUGUST 24TH, 2020.

AS FAR AS ROLL CALL, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL ARE PRESENT THIS EVENING AND I'LL ASK IF THERE'S ANY DECLARATION OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THIS EVENING.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU.

I'D LIKE TO DECLARE ON TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS, ITEM 11.2 THE LETTER UNDER CORRESPONDENCE IS FROM MY LAWYER REGARDING THE FACT THAT THE CODE OF CONDUCT ALLEGATIONS ARE SPECIFICALLY TIED TO THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST COMPLAINT BEFORE THE COURTS.

AND THEREFORE, I CANNOT DISCUSS THAT.

AND ITEM 13, SPECIFICALLY, CHECK NUMBER EFT ONE ZERO ZERO FOUR THREE IN THE AMOUNT OF SIXTY EIGHT THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND TEN DOLLARS AND FORTY SEVEN CENTS, THIS CHECK IS FOR LEGAL FEES REGARDING MR. PEARCE AND MY MCIA FILINGS WITH THE COURT, AND I AM THEREFORE DECLARING A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

I DECLARE ON ITEM SIX POINT NINE NEGOTIATIONS WITH C.U.P.E.

LOCAL 170 SINCE MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY ARE CURRENTLY MEMBERS OF UNION LOCAL 170.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CONFLICTS THIS EVENING? OKAY SEEING NONE THANK YOU.

[4. ADOPTION OF PREVIOUS MINUTES]

CAN HAVE A MOVER TO ADOPT THE MINUTES, PLEASE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

SECOND, BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

QUESTIONS QUALMS QUERIES.

SEEING NONE, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.

NO PUBLIC PRESENTATION, SIX INTRODUCTION, CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS.

[6. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF CORPORATE REPORTS]

USED CONSUMER TYPE PORTABLE BATTERY RECYCLING AGREEMENT WITH CALL TO RECYCLE.

SO SEE WHAT THIS SAYS.

SO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE REPORT OF THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS DATED AUGUST 6, 2020 BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE SIGNING OF A USE CONSUMER TYPE PORTABLE BATTERY RECYCLING AGREEMENT WITH CALL2RECYCLE CANADA INC AS PER THE AGREEMENT ATTACHED.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE AND HAND IT OVER TO MR. HALLOCH, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. YES, THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

BASICALLY A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.

WE'RE EVERY YEAR WE HAVE OUR HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENT WHICH HAS BEEN DELAYED UNTIL SEPTEMBER 2ND OF THIS YEAR. WE HAD RECEIVED AN AGREEMENT EARLIER WHERE STEWARDSHIP ONTARIO USED TO COLLECT THE BATTERIES AND SHIP THEM OFF.

AND FINANCIALLY, WE RECEIVED SOME FINANCIAL BACK FROM THEM TO THE MUNICIPALITY.

NOW THAT THAT ENDED IN THE END OF JUNE OF 2020 NOW MOVING FORWARD INTO SEPTEMBER 2ND, NOW CALL2RECYCLE, HAS NOW TAKEN OVER THE BATTERY CONTRACT ON THAT.

SO THE CITY WOULD JUST CARRY ON, CARRY FORWARD SO WITH THE EVENT THAT WILL SHIP TO THEM.

SO THEY'RE ANOTHER STEWARD THAT WILL NOW BE TAKEN OVER WITH THE BATTERIES, BASICALLY LOOKING AT THE SAME THING.

SO FINANCIALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL BASED ON WEIGHTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ACTUAL WEIGHTS OF THE UNITS, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH WE COLLECT EACH YEAR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MUNICIPALITIES A DOLLAR TWENTY A KILOGRAM.

NORMALLY WE COLLECT ANYWHERE THAT THE CITY USUALLY BUDGETS FOR AROUND FIFTEEN HUNDRED DOLLARS TOWARDS BACK INTO THE WASTE FUND.

SO AFTER THE EVENT, ON THE SECOND EVERYTHING WILL BE WEIGHED AND SENT OFF AND BASICALLY WE'LL RECEIVE A CHECK USUALLY WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE SIGNING OF THE USE CONSUMER TYPE PORTABLE BATTERY RECYCLING AGREEMENT WITH CALL 2 RECYCLE CANADA.

THIS WILL ALLOW THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE REVENUE FOR USED BATTERIES COLLECTED DURING THE ANNUAL HAZARDOUS WASTE EVENT.

THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL? SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE PUBLIC ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, THEY CAN BRING THEIR BATTERIES TO THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD TO HAVE THEM DISPOSED OF, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. SO FROM ELEVEN TO SEVEN, YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

COULD YOU DESCRIBE FOR THE PUBLIC WHAT HAZARDOUS WASTE MEANS THAT CAN BE DROPPED OFF.

SO THE HAZARDOUS WASTE IS GOING TO INCLUDE ANYTHING FROM YOUR BATTERIES TO YOUR EVERYTHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT GOING INTO THE LANDFILL? SO IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THE STUFF TO DO WITH PRESSURIZED OLDER PROPANE TANKS IS ALSO ACCEPTED TO YOUR ANTIFREEZE OIL, FLUORESCENT BULBS, ETC..

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LIST AND THERE'S ADVERTISEMENTS OUT RIGHT NOW ON THE RADIO.

AND THERE'S ALSO A LIST IN THE PAPER AND IT'S ALSO ON THE CITY WEBSITE.

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THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

JUST A QUICK QUESTION. THERE'S A LIMIT ON THE WEIGHT OF THE BATTERY.

YES. AT 11 KILOGRAMS. AND CAN YOU TELL US WHAT KIND OF BATTERY THAT IS? I BELIEVE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THE OTHER ONES, YOU'RE LOOKING MORE INTO THE CAR BATTERIES AND STUFF. A LOT OF THOSE WILL GO STRAIGHT INTO CANADIAN TIRE AND PLACES LIKE THAT, THAT COULD ALSO TAKE THOSE BATTERIES FOR YOU FOR THE WEIGHT PURPOSES AND STUFF.

SO WOULD A STANDARD CAR BATTERY EXCEED 11 KG? I BELIEVE IT DOES, YES.

SO YOU CAN GO TO CANADIAN TIRE AND ALL THE REST OF THE PLACES WITH THOSE AND MOST OF THE TIMES [INAUDIBLE] AND THEM TAKE THOSE BATTERIES BACK TO SO WITH YOU GET MONEY BACK FOR THOSE. SO MOST PEOPLE CHANGE THEM THERE.

BUT YOU COULD BRING THEM THERE. SO IT'S MORE OF THE SMALL PORTABLE BATTERIES TO THAT ARE ALSO WITH REMOTE CONTROL CARS, STUFF LIKE THAT.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. 6.2 REPORT TO THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, THE PURCHASE OF ONE NEW PROPANE ICE RESURFACER FOR $83,990 PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES FROM RESURFACED CORPORATION.

THE RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF REPORT RFT2020 01 DATED AUGUST 14TH 2020.

THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF A NEW PROPANE ICE RESURFACER AT THE AMOUNT OF EIGHTY THREE THOUSAND NINE NINETY PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES BE AWARDED TO RESURFICE CORP.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER, THANK YOU.

MR. HALLOCH, AGAIN, PLEASE. YES, THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP AGAIN THROUGH YOU.

IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN 2016 BUILDING CONDITION ASSESSMENT THAT WAS DONE IN ALL CITY FACILITIES THAT [INAUDIBLE] ONE OF THE ASSETS, THE CURRENT 2004 PROPANE ICE SURFACER, WAS REACHING THE END OF ITS LIFE CYCLE, WHICH IS OF 15 YEARS.

THERE HAS RECENTLY BEEN SOME SIGNIFICANT REPAIRS THAT HAVE HAD IT OUT OF SERVICE WHERE WE'VE HAD TO HAVE A UNIT FLOATED UP FROM BLIND RIVER TO CONTINUE SERVICING THE ARENA.

SO NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE WENT THROUGH COUNCIL, WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET APPROVAL FOR CAPITAL BUDGET, AND WE HAVE APPROVED NINETY THOUSAND DOLLARS TO REPLACE THE UNIT.

SO THE UNIT WAS SO THE TENDER WAS PUT ON TO BIDS AND TENDERS AND WE RECEIVED TWO BIDS.

WE RECEIVED ONE FROM RESURFICE CORP FOR THE EIGHTY THREE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED NINETY PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES AND ZAMBONI COMPANY LTD AT NINETY ONE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED EIGHTY FIVE. AFTER GOING THROUGH, THERE WAS NO BID IRREGULARITIES AND AFTER GOING THROUGH THEM, EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD ON BOTH OF THEM.

CURRENTLY, WITH THE UNIT THAT WE'RE APPROVING, WE HAVE EXTRA BLEEDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND HAD A LITTLE BIT LONGER OF A WARRANTY ON THAT ONE.

LOOKING AT ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS TO RECEIVE ONE BECAUSE THEY'RE BUILT BRAND NEW.

ONCE YOU GO THROUGH WITH THE APPROVAL.

SO BASICALLY SO THE ICE RESURFACER, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, IS CRITICAL TO THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND MAINTENANCE OF THE CENTENNIAL ARENA ICE SURFACE.

IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF ONE NEW PROPANE ICE RESURFACER FOR EIGHTY THREE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED NINETY PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES FROM RESURFICE CORPORATION. THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THAT 83,990 INCLUSIVE OR PLUS THE REPORT SAYS THAT IT IS INCLUSIVE UNDER THE FINANCIAL IMPACT.

NO IT SHOULD BE A PLUS SHOWING IN THE ANALYSIS, SORRY, APOLOGIES IF I HAVE IT AS THAT, BUT IT SHOULD BE NO IT SHOULD BE.

IT'S DEFINITELY NOT INCLUDING HSD.

SO IT'S EIGHTY THREE THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED NINETY PLUS HSD.

COUNCILLOR CYR. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY RESEARCH, IF THERE IS ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO BRANDS IN LIFE AN THE DURABILITY LIKE JUST COMPARED BRAND TO BRAND, IF JUST BECAUSE ONE PRICE IS CHEAPER DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE VALUE FOR THE DOLLAR IS THERE.

YEAH NO BOTH COMPANIES HAVE BEEN COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN BOTH OUT FOR A LONG TIME, ZAMBONI TO THE ONE WITH THE OLYMPIA'S, AND THEY'VE BOTH BEEN ON THE MARKET FOR, WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE OLYMPIA'S AND A LOT OF OTHER ARENAS DO AS WELL.

SO THERE REALLY ISN'T MUCH IT COULD HAVE WENT EITHER WAY TO PURCHASE IT.

IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE CHEAPER.

AND BUT MOSTLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT APPLES TO APPLES THAT EVERYTHING'S IDENTICAL GOING DOWN THE BOARD. SO JUST DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND MANUFACTURERS, BOTH VERY RESPECTABLE COMPANIES. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

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AND THAT COUNCIL APPROVE SOLE SOURCE THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF NEW ARENA CHILLER FROM METAL AIR AND MECHANICAL SYSTEMS LTD.

AT THE COST OF SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND FIVE FORTY SIX PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER FOR DISCUSSION HERE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE SECOND BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

MR HALLOCH, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

OK, THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP AGAIN THROUGH YOU AND I APOLOGIZE [INAUDIBLE] GO THROUGH THIS ONE WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL OF THE REPORT THAT WAS WRITTEN.

AS I'M LEARNING, A LOT OF THESE THINGS MYSELF, GOING THROUGH A LOT OF THIS.

SO A LOT OF RESEARCH WAS DONE INTO LOOKING UP THEM.

SO BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THE THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE OWNS, OPERATES AND MAINTAINS THE CENTENNIAL ARENA.

CENTENNIAL ARENA HAS A REFRIGERANT SYSTEM THAT CONSISTS OF THREE MAIN COMPONENTS, INCLUDING THE CHILLER, THE COMPRESSOR AND THE CONDENSER.

THE CHILLER, WHICH IS A SHELL AND TUBE LIKE SYSTEM, CONSISTS OF LIKE A LARGE BARREL LIKE SHELL ENCOMPASSING A WHOLE BUNCH OF SMALL TUBES INSIDE OF IT.

THESE INTERIOR TUBES CONTAIN THE BRINE.

SO WHENEVER YOU HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT BRINE, IT'S CALCIUM CHLORIDE, SALT WATER TYPE THING WHICH TRANSFERS HEAT THROUGH THE TUBE WALLS TO THE PRIMARY REFRIGERANT, WHICH IS AMMONIA. SO WHICH FLOODS THE LARGER CELL.

SO WITHOUT GETTING INTO A LOT OF DETAIL BUT WHAT'S GOING INTO THERE IS IT'LL EVENTUALLY GO INTO YOUR CONDENSER AND THEN UP INTO YOUR SORRY YOUR COMPRESSOR UP INTO YOUR CONDENSER AND THEN BACK THROUGH YOUR ARENA FLOOR.

SO AND THEN THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GETTING YOUR ICE THAT'S MADE BY THE TIME IT COOLS DOWN AND CONDENSES. WHAT HAPPENS IS ON A ROUTINE PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE THEY NOTICED ON THE ACTUAL CHILLER THAT THERE WAS A BRINE LEAK.

SO RIGHT AWAY THEY SAW THAT IT WAS LEAKING AND INVESTIGATED THE LEAK.

AFTER FURTHER INVESTIGATION, THEY NOTICED THE SMELL OF AMMONIA, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY NOT GOOD IN THAT SENSE OF THE THING.

SO IT'S BASICALLY YOU'RE HOPING IT'S SOMETHING SMALLER, THAT IT COULD BE ONE OF THE NIPPLES THAT WAS FIXED EARLIER IN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ON THE UNIT.

BUT IT ENDED UP BEING ONE OF THE TUBES, WHICH, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S MANY TUBES INSIDE OF THE UNIT IT WAS SPLIT.

SO THAT CAUSED THE ACTUAL AMMONIA TO MIX WITH THE BRINE.

AND THEN WHEN IT WAS LEAKING THAT'S WHAT WAS HAPPENING THERE.

SO BASICALLY GOING FROM THERE, IT WAS SAID THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE COMING UP ON THE BUILDING CONDITIONS ACCESS. AND ALSO BRINGING IT UP THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT IT AND GOING THROUGH IT IN MORE DETAIL, GOING FROM THERE.

BUT NOW THAT WE'RE AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH OPTIONS BECAUSE OF IT STILL IS ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR UNITS THAT'S OUT IN THE MARKET ALL ACROSS CANADA.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE ACTUAL SHELL AND TUBE UNIT THAT USES AMMONIA BECAUSE THERE'S NEWER ONES NOW THAT YOU'LL HEAR USE EITHER CARBON DIOXIDE GLYCOL.

THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT UNITS NOW THAT ARE GETTING UPDATED THAT WAY.

BUT AFTER SPEAKING, THIS IS STILL ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR UNITS.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE REPAIR PART OF IT TO REPAIR IT, NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE THE LIABILITY ON IT.

AND IT'S FROM THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

I KNOW UP IN B.C., THERE WAS A UNIT THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THIS THAT WENT DOWN WHERE THREE PEOPLE HAD PASSED AWAY WITH THE SAME TYPE OF PROBLEM.

SO AT THIS POINT, THERE'S NOBODY THAT REALLY WANTS TO FIX THAT.

AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO INTO WAY MORE OF AN INVESTIGATION TO ACTUALLY GO THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE NO OTHER TUBES ARE LEAKING.

NOW, IT IS NOTED THAT THIS IS A TWO THOUSAND AND EIGHT UNIT, OR SORRY 12 UNIT, WHICH THE COMPANY IS NO LONGER AROUND, THAT MAKES THIS ACTUAL UNIT SO NOT LOOKING GOOD ON THAT END OF THINGS AS WELL. SO RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS, THE CITY, SINGLE SOURCE IS THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF A CHILLER TO METAL AIR WHO HAS SUPPLIED A QUOTE TOTALING SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED FORTY SIX FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] CHILLER THAT WOULD BE DELIVERED AND INSTALLED WITHIN TEN WEEKS OF PURCHASE AND CARRIES A STANDARD EIGHTEEN MONTH MANUFACTURING WARRANTY.

METAL AIR IS A COMPANY OUT OF SUDBURY WHO TAKES CARE OF SEVERAL ARENA INCLUDING CLUB CHILLERS IN THE NORTH. THE TIMELINE HAS MATCHED UP WITH THE PROJECTED DATE THAT MINOR

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OPTION TWO IS THE CITY PUTS OUT A REQUEST FOR TENDER TO SUPPLY AND INSTALL A NEW CHILLER THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT COMPRESSOR AND CONDENSER SYSTEM.

THIS WOULD REQUIRE CREATING AND POSTING THE TENDER FOR AT LEAST A MONTH TO ALLOW ALL QUALIFIED COMPANIES TO BID.

THIS WOULD DELAY THE INSTALL DAY TO AN ESTIMATED TIME OF MID-DECEMBER BY THE TIME THE TENDER WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND AWARDED TO THE SUCCESSFUL BIDDER.

WITH AN AVERAGE OR ON AVERAGE, IT TAKES UP TO 10 WEEKS TO COMPLETE THE DRAWINGS, FABRICATE THE UNIT, DELIVER AND INSTALL.

THE UPSIDE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF SEVERAL BIDS TO CHOOSE FROM POSSIBLY GETTING TO A BETTER PRICE. ANOTHER OPTION, WHICH IS THE OPTION I WAS SPEAKING OF, THAT IT REALLY ISN'T AN OPTION. BUT IT WAS TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT HERE WAS STAFF INVESTIGATING HAVING THE CHILLER REPAIRED. UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE REPAIR CURRENT CHILLER AND WORK INVOLVED, THERE ARE NO CONTRACTORS WILLING TO QUOTE A PRICE DUE TO THE LIABILITY INVOLVED.

THE CITY WOULD FIRST HAVE TO INVEST IN A MORE IN-DEPTH INSPECTION, WHICH HAS BEEN QUOTED AT EIGHTY FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS TO DETERMINE IF ANY OTHER TUBES ARE LEAKING OR SHOWING SIGNIFICANT SIGNS OF WEAR SO THAT CAN BE REPAIRED.

SO BASICALLY, EVEN WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THE REPAIR AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 TO 25000 WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TUBE REPAIR THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE NOW.

SO BASICALLY ON YOUR FINANCIAL IMPACT, IF WE GO WITH OPTION ONE, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF, OF THE RECOMMENDED OPTION.

A TOTAL OF SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY TWO WAS BUDGETED FOR THE UPGRADE OF THE STAIRS THAT GO FROM CITY HALL TO THE SIDEWALK ON HILLSIDE NORTH.

STAFF HAS BEEN DISCUSSING OPTIONS OF ELIMINATING THE STAIRCASE TO CITY HALL, WHICH IS RARELY USED AS MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS USE THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE CITY BUILDINGS TO GET TO CITY HALL. OR IT CAN BE DELAYED AND WE COULD STILL DISCUSS FURTHER ACCESSIBILITY OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE.

THIS LEAVES THE AMOUNT OF SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED THIRTY TWO TO GO TOWARDS THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF A NEW ARENA CHILLER AT THE COST OF SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED FORTY SIX PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES, WITH THE REMAINING BALANCE BEING BUDGETED TOWARDS THE OPERATION BUDGET.

SO BASICALLY THE CENTENNIAL ARENA CHILLER FAILED DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL.

FAILURE TO COMPLETE THE RECOMMENDED PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF A NEW CHILLER FOR METAL AIR WILL ELIMINATE THE ABILITY JUST FOR STAFF TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS OF MAKING ICE AND FORCE THE CANCELLATION OF ALL ARENA EVENTS FOR THE 2020-2021 SEASON UNTIL THE UNIT IS EITHER REPAIRED OR REPLACED.

THE QUOTE RECEIVED FROM METAL AIR OF SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED FORTY SIX PLUS APPLICABLE TAXES CONSIST OF A REASONABLE RATE FOR THE LEVEL OF SERVICE OFFERED WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR WORK COMPLETED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. HALLOCH. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION ALONG WITH THE SPIEL THERE.

MY QUESTION HAD TO DO WITH THE CITY HALL STEPS COMING UP BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING PRETTY DECREPIT. AND I KNOW THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PLANNED TO BE REPLACED, BUT POTENTIALLY, AS YOU MENTIONED, LOOKING AT A RAMP IN FUTURE YEARS OR JUST A COMPLETE REMOVAL ALTOGETHER. SO YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

I THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION FROM COUNCILLOR MANN AND THEN COUNCILLOR FINAMORE . COUNCILLOR MAN. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP MR. HALLOCH ACTUALLY ANSWERED ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD.

SO I GUESS I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO REPLACE ANOTHER PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT WE'VE PURCHASED ONCE ALREADY.

WELL, WHILE SITTING HERE, I REMEMBER I WAS ACTUALLY JUST ASKING COUNCILLOR PATRIE WHAT YEAR OR DID WE REPLACE THIS PIECE OF EQUIPMENT ORIGINALLY AND IT WAS IN 2012.

AT THAT TIME, WE WERE TOLD, NO PROBLEM, THIS WILL LAST WELL INTO THE FUTURE AND WE'LL TRANSFER EASILY TO THE NEW FACILITY.

SO HERE WE ARE, SIX AND A HALF YEARS AFTER THE WARRANTY PERIOD, IT APPEARS ABOUT EIGHTEEN MONTHS. THAT'S NOT REALLY A GOOD INVESTMENT ON A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

AND CLEARLY, I'M NOT GOING TO OPPOSE IT TONIGHT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THINGS LIKE THIS, THAT WE ENSURE THAT WE DO HAVE OPTIONS DOWN THE ROAD.

CLEARLY, IN THIS CASE, WE DON'T AND WE HAVE TO DO IT.

OTHERWISE WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST CLOSE UP THE ARENA, WHICH I'M NOT PREPARED TO DO.

JUST AGAIN A LITTLE BIT DISAPPOINTING WHEN THINGS LIKE THIS OCCUR.

AGAIN WE WERE TOLD AT THE TIME, NO PROBLEM, THIS IS GOING TO EASILY BE MOVED.

I GUESS I'LL ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE TRANSFERRED IF AND WHEN OR IS THIS A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO STAY WITH OUR CURRENT SYSTEM AND THEN WE BASICALLY HAVE SALVAGE VALUE AT THE END OF THE DAY.

I'VE ASKED THE SAME QUESTIONS TOO IN RESEARCHING IT, AND IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE ARE LOOKING AT A FUTURE NEW HUB, IT ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD TRANSFER OVER TO THE NEW HUB.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D LOOK AT GETTING THE MOST MONEY FOR SELLING THE EITHER THE CHILLER ON ITS OWN OR THE REFRIGERANT SYSTEM TOGETHER.

THAT WOULD BE THE BEST CHOICE.

BUT YEAH, AFTER LOOKING AND THE OTHER THING DOING A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH WITH THE CALL, THEY GOT A FORTY YEAR HISTORY.

I DID TRY LOOKING UP THE OLDER UNITS AND OBVIOUSLY WASN'T HERE WHEN INVOLVED WITH THAT,

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SO ALL I COULD REALLY DO IS THE RESEARCH ON KNOWING WHAT'S AROUND AND TALK TO A FEW ARENAS AROUND AND JUST TO SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE.

BUT IT IS STILL THE MOST POPULAR ONE.

AND HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A CASE OF WHERE, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, WE ENDED UP GETTING THE LEMON.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. THANK YOU THROUGH YOU TO MR. HALLOCH. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THE STEPS AT THE FRONT OF THE CITY HALL.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT TAKING THAT MONEY AND NOT DOING THAT PROJECT DOESN'T IMPEDE THE ACCESSIBILITY TO THE BUILDING OR ANYTHING.

YEAH, CORRECT. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS I SHOULD HAVE PUT ON THE FINANCIAL PART, TOO, IS THAT WE DEFINITELY COULD DELAY THE PROJECT AND STILL COME UP WITH [INAUDIBLE] OF DOING THAT OR LOOK INTO A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT WON'T IMPEDE THE ACCESSIBILITY.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. ON THE SAME PAGE, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

WE APPROVED THE SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO DO THE REPAIR TO THE STAIRS, EITHER I WANT TO AMEND THIS, THAT WE REMOVE THE STEP REPAIR FROM THE APPROVED CAPITAL BUDGET IF THAT'S THE MONEY THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE OR WE FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET THE FUNDING FOR IT.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE RECOMMENDATION, THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN THAT WE USE THAT MONEY IF WE'RE LEAVING THE OTHER ONE ON THE TABLE.

SO EITHER TAKE THE FACT THAT IT'S COMING OUT OF THE APPROVED CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE STAIRCASE REMOVE THAT FROM THE RECOMMENDATION OR FROM THE REQUEST OR ADD TO THE REQUEST THAT, THAT BE REMOVED FROM THE CAPITAL BUDGET.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WISH OF COUNCIL IS TO WHICH WAY TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS WISHY WASHY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE GOING TO REDO THIS WORK ANYWAY I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THIS MONEY ON SOMETHING ELSE.

I'M GOING TO LET THE CONVERSATION CONTINUE BEFORE I PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AS TO WHICH WAY TO PUT THAT, BUT WITH THE ASPECT OF DOING THE ACTUAL REPAIR, I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE.

I'VE SAID MANY TIMES I'VE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD FOUR TIMES AND IN THE LAST SIX YEARS OUR FACILITIES WERE NOT MAINTAINED BECAUSE WE WERE SAYING, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GET A NEW HUB, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THIS BIG MONEY INTO THEM.

AND NOW WE'VE GOT FACILITIES THAT WE SPENT A MILLION DOLLARS ON THE ARENA LAST YEAR BECAUSE WE HADN'T PUT ANY MONEY INTO IT.

AND WE LET IT FALL INTO SUCH BAD DISREPAIR.

NOW THE CHILLER HAS GOT TO BE RE REPLACED.

AS COUNCILLOR MANN SAID, I DO WANT TO REPLACE IT.

I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE SOLE SOURCING IN ORDER TO GET THE FACILITY OPEN IN TIME FOR MINOR HOCKEY, FIGURE SKATING AND ALL THE USERS IN THIS MUNICIPALITY THAT USE THAT FACILITY. I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT CLOSED AFTER SPENDING ALL THE MONEY.

I JUST WANT COUNCIL TO BE FULLY AWARE THAT WE HAVE TO ANNUALLY CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN AND UPGRADE OUR FACILITIES BECAUSE THE WAY THE TIDES ARE RIDING, WE'RE NOT GETTING FUNDING FOR FACILITY ANY TIME SOON AND OUR FACILITIES WILL ALL BE CLOSED BEFORE WE CAN OPEN ANYTHING NEW. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE EXPENDITURE.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE WAY THAT IT IS IN THE REPORT TO BE FINANCED.

AND I DON'T KNOW. WE MAY NEED OUR TREASURER TO WEIGH IN TO SEE IF THERE IS SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GET IT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS MONEY FROM THE STEPS, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT MONEY FROM THE STEPS OUT OF THE APPROVED BUDGET BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING IT.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANKS YOUR WORSHIP I'M NOT REALLY KEEN ON TAKING MONEY OUT OF THE ONE RESERVE POT SET ASIDE FOR SPECIFIC FUNCTION OR REPLACEMENT.

WHAT I AM WONDERING IS THE ICE PLANT IN GENERAL? DID WE NOT HAVE ANY RESERVE FUNDS SET ASIDE FOR THE REPLACEMENT OR MAINTENANCE ON THAT, WE CAN USE.

IT'S LIKE MR. PATRIE SAID, A LOT OF THE STUFF WAS HOPING ON WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE OVER THAT.

AND IT WAS THE SAME WITH THE ROOF.

THERE WASN'T A BIG RESERVE THAT WAY.

SO MORE OR LESS, A LOT OF THEM ARE COMING OUT OF A GENERAL FACILITIES RESERVE NOW, WHICH THERE IS MONEY IN. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SAY HOW MUCH AT THE TIME BECAUSE I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. BUT IT COULD COME OUT OF THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WAS BRINGING FORWARD ABOUT THE STEP BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME IDEAS GOING AROUND. BUT IF COUNCIL IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL IF WE CONTINUE ON WITH THAT PROJECT, THEN, YEAH, WE COULD TALK TO THE TREASURER AND TREASURY DEPARTMENT AND GO FROM THERE WITH THE RESERVE FROM GENERAL AND REMOVE IT FROM THERE CONTINUE ON WITH THE STEP.

NO, THERE ISN'T A SPECIFIC ARENA ONE.

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MAYBE IT'S A GOOD TIME TO ASK MR. GAGNON OR MS. SONNENBURG IF THERE'S SUFFICIENT FUNDS IN THE FACILITIES, RESERVE OR GENERAL RESERVES TO COVER THE COST OF THIS.

OK, THANK YOU, MS. SONNENBURG, THE ANSWER FOR THOSE AT HOME WAS, YES, THERE IS SUFFICIENT FUNDS IN THAT RESERVE MR. GAGNON.

SORRY TOO IF I'M STRAYING INTO COUNCIL'S LANE HERE.

BUT IT'S MY ASSERTION THAT WE DON'T WANT TO REPLACE THOSE STAIRS.

I THINK WE SHOULD REMOVE THEM ALTOGETHER.

STAIRS, IF YOU'RE ABLE BODIED ENOUGH TO WALK UP THOSE STAIRS YOU ARE ABLE BODIED ENOUGH TO WALK AROUND THE SMALL AMOUNT OF FEET THAT WERE REQUIRED TO GET TO THE ACCESS OF CITY HALL.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT REPLACING STAIRS.

STAIRS ARE BY DEFINITION NOT ACCESSIBLE.

SO WHY WOULD WE REPLACE STAIRS? WE WOULD HAVE TO BUILD A RAMP.

WELL, BY THE TIME THE AMOUNT IS HOW STEEP THOSE STAIRS ARE, BY THE TIME YOU SNAKE A RAMP UP THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO BE WALKING THE SAME, IF NOT EVEN FARTHER, THAN SIMPLY JUST WALKING AROUND. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO FOR A VASTLY SMALLER SUM IN 2021 YOU KNOW, BUILD A SLIGHT RAMP OR AN IMPROVEMENT FOR PEDESTRIANS.

AND THOSE STAIRS ARE ONLY FOR THOSE WALKING THERE FROM, SAY, NEIGHBORHOOD ONE CROSSING THE STREET AND GETTING UP CITY HALL.

ALL THE OTHER ACCESS POINTS, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T BE NEEDING THOSE STAIRS.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT'S SAFE TO CUT THAT FROM 20 TAKE THE MONEY, COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS RIGHT. CUT THAT BUDGET FROM THE 2020 2021 CAPITAL.

HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SMALLER AMOUNT IN TWENTY ONE TO SNEAK AROUND THERE AND PROBLEM SOLVED. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. WHAT I WAS GETTING AT SEVENTY ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS TO REPLACE ROUGHLY A DOZEN STEPS IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, I THINK THE CHILLER IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT TO KEEP THE FACILITY OPEN.

I'M GOING TO PUT A MOTION TO AMEND THE RESOLUTION AND IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH AT THE END OF IT ADD AND THAT THE STEP REPAIR BE REMOVED FROM THE APPROVED CAPITAL BUDGET EXPENDITURES. OKAY. SECONDER FOR THE AMENDMENT.

SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT, CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT, ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED BACK TO THE MOTION AS AMENDED.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OK, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN, ALL IN FAVOR AS AMENDED, THANK YOU.

THAT'S CARRIED.

SIX POINT FOUR, REPORT OF THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER RECOMMENDATION RESUME COMMITTEE MEETINGS USING A PHASED IN APPROACH IN THE FALL OF 2020, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT CAOS REPORT RE-RESUMING COMMITTEE MEETINGS BE RECEIVED AND THAT THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE RESUMPTION OF COMMITTEE MEETINGS, BEGINNING WITH COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TRIAL PERIOD AS OF SEPTEMBER 7TH, AND THAT OTHER COMMITTEES RESUME MEETINGS AT THE CALL OF THE CHAIR OF EACH COMMITTEE, BUT BASED PRIMARILY ON STAFF AND VENUE AVAILABILITY, FOLLOWING ALL SAFETY PROTOCOLS FOR IN-PERSON MEETINGS AND OR VIA VIDEO CONFERENCING WHERE APPLICABLE.

AND THAT STAFF BE DIRECTED TO PULL ALL COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THEIR COMFORT LEVELS, RETURNING TO IN-PERSON OR ELECTRONIC MEETINGS, AND THAT THE WH COLLINS HALL USED WHERE POSSIBLE FOR ANY IN-PERSON COMMITTEE ADVISORY MEETINGS TO MAXIMIZE SOCIAL DISTANCING.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

SECOND, MY COUNCILLOR CYR.

MR. GAGNON, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP.

AS WE STATED IN EARLIER IN THE SUMMER, WE THOUGHT WE WOULD COME BACK AT THE SECOND MEETING IN AUGUST TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE COULD RESUME TO SOME DEGREE DECISION MAKING AND COMMITTEES IN THE FALL.

SO WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING HERE IS THAT WE WOULD THE EASIEST, OF COURSE, WOULD BE THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE. WE'RE USED TO THE COUNCIL FORMAT WITH STAFF AND COUNCIL.

SO WE MAY WANT TO RESUME THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TRIAL FOR THE FIRST MONDAY IN SEPTEMBER AND SEE HOW THAT GOES AND THEN BASICALLY LIFT THE MORATORIUM OF SORTS THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR AND EASE BACK INTO IT AT THE CALL OF THE CHAIR FOR, SAY, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES, POLL ALL THE MEMBERS TO DETERMINE FIRST IF THEY HAVE AN APPETITE TO COME BACK TO IN-PERSON MEETINGS.

BASICALLY, AS THE REPORT OUTLINES, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES, THE FORMAT, THREE ISSUES.

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AND WE WOULD PREFER TO KEEP IT THAT WAY TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN AND OUT.

SO WE WERE THINKING PERHAPS THE COLLINS HALL WOULD ALLOW MAXIMUM SOCIAL DISTANCING.

THERE'S FAR LESS PROGRAMS HAPPENING IN THE COLLINS HALL.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT WORK.

OUTSIDE OF THE PROGRAMS AS A VENUE FOR IN-PERSON MEETINGS, OF COURSE, SINCE WE DON'T HAVE THE CIVIC CENTER. SO WE COULD MAYBE USE COLLINS HALL FOR THE VENUE.

AND THEN STAFF AVAILABILITY WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHO ARE THE SECRETARY, RECORDING SECRETARIES AND THE RESOURCES TO THESE COMMITTEES.

SO BASICALLY, IF WE SPEND THE NEXT WEEK OR TWO, LATE AUGUST OR EARLY SEPTEMBER POLLING THE LAYPERSONS AND ALL THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND JUST GET BACK INTO OUR FIRST MEETING, SEE HOW IT GOES, HAPPY TO REPORT TO COUNCIL.

WELL, YOU'LL BE THERE IN MANY CASES ANYWAY, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE HOW THE PROCESS GOES. AND EASE BACK INTO IT.

I'M NOT SURE WE'LL BE ABLE TO MEET THE EVERY MONTHLY PERHAPS, BUT BASICALLY WE NEED TO START SOMEWHERE. SO I'M RECOMMENDING WE START WITH THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

POLL THE MEMBERS HAVE OUR FIRST MEETING IN SEVERAL MONTHS.

SEE HOW IT GOES. AND REVISIT FROM THERE.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. I THINK IT'S TIME TO START IN SEPTEMBER THE MEETINGS, AS LONG AS WE ARE SCREENING THE PEOPLE AS THEY COME IN AND WE USE COLLINS HALL, WHICH IS A BETTER SPACE TO SOCIAL DISTANCE AND LESS RISK AS PUTTING OUR STAFF OUT HAVING THEM COME IN.

MY QUESTION IS AROUND, WHEN ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC BACK INTO COUNCIL MEETINGS OR ARE WE GOING TO AT THE SAME TIME? I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT AND HOW WE, FIRST SIX IN [INAUDIBLE] AND THE NEXT SIX CAN'T.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT, BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AS WELL.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE CHECK IN TO SEE HOW OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE DOING.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME WORK GOING ON THROUGH COVID.

SO IT WOULD BE, I THINK, BENEFICIAL TO SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO START SOME SEMBLANCE OF NORMALCY.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO DO IT.

AND AT THE FIRST MEETING COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

WOULD THAT BE ON TUESDAY THEN.

I HAVE TO SAY FOR NOW. THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

ON THE SAME LINES AS COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, I WANT TO START TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC BACK INTO OUR MEETINGS IN ORDER TO KEEP TRANSPARENCY AND THE INTEGRITY OF THE CORPORATION.

WE DO HAVE A VERY LARGE GALLERY.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ADD TO THE RESOLUTION THAT WE ALLOW THE PUBLIC BACK INTO MEETINGS FOLLOWING ALL SAFETY PROTOCOLS.

THEREFORE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THE SIX FOOT SOCIAL DISTANCING MASKING IF NEED BE. BUT AND IF WE WANT TO GET A THERMOMETER, WE CAN SCREEN.

I HAVE NO ISSUES. I DO WANT TO KEEP OUR STAFF SAFE, OURSELVES SAFE AND THE PUBLIC SAFE.

BUT WE DO HAVE TO GET BACK ON WITH THE BUSINESS.

NINETY NINE PERCENT OF THE COUNTRY IS BACK UP AND RUNNING, BUT IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT SAFETY PROTOCOLS ARE KEPT.

AND JUST BY NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO ATTEND ISN'T PUTTING THOSE SAFETY PROTOCOLS IN PLACE.

IT'S JUST HINDERING THE PUBLIC FROM BEING ABLE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE OF OUR MEETINGS.

AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT.

SO I'M MOVING THAT WE ADD THAT ALL PUBLIC ALLOW PUBLIC BACK INTO THE MEETINGS FOLLOWING ALL SAFETY PROTOCOLS.

IS THERE A SECONDER FOR THE AMENDMENT.

SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT.

COUNCILLOR CYR. THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

I'M ACTUALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS AS WELL, BUT I STILL THINK IT DOESN'T GO FAR ENOUGH.

TO IMPROVE PUBLIC ACCESS TO OUR MEETINGS AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL, TO THE BUSINESS OF COUNCIL, WE SHOULD ALSO BE RESTORING PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AND PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD TO THE PUBLIC. IT CAN BE DONE SAFELY.

I MEAN, IT'S TIME TO RESTORE IT.

THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.

SO FOR US, KEEPING THEM OUT OF HERE, IT'S CREATING DISTRUST AND IT'S CREATING RESENTMENT.

SO I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO, THERE'S STILL WAYS LIKE COUNCILLOR PATRIE AND FINAMORE SAID WE CAN DO IT SAFELY.

WE HAVE TO ENFORCE SAFE MEASURES, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO RETURN TO SOME NORMALCY AND WE HAVE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THEIR COUNCIL.

THERE'S TOTALLY THE POSSIBILITY OF MARKING SEATS TO KEEP PEOPLE SOCIALLY DISTANCED, ALSO, AS WE USUALLY DON'T HAVE MORE THAN 10 PEOPLE IN HERE AT THE MOST.

SO NOT A HUGE DEAL.

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I WAS JUST GOING TO NOTE THAT WE'LL GET SOME ADVICE FROM ALGOMA PUBLIC HEALTH, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE SOME FORM OF FIRST COME FIRST SERVE KIND OF FORMAT BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A CRITICAL MASS OF WHAT CAN WHAT CAN FIT.

AND WE'LL FIGURE OUT AND WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING, I SUPPOSE IF THAT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL. COUNCILLOR TURNER.

I WAS JUST GOING TO COMMENT THAT I FULLY SUPPORT OPENING THE MEETING TO THE PUBLIC AGAIN.

AND WE HAVE SOME SIXTY FOUR SEATS HERE.

IF I COUNTED IT RIGHT, WE MAX OUT AT 24 IF WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THAT SIX FOOT SPACE BETWEEN PARTICIPANTS OR ATTENDEES.

BUT THEN AGAIN, IT'S NOT OFTEN WE HAVE 24 PEOPLE HERE, SO.

DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH WHAT WE GOT.

OK, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, DID YOU STILL HAVE COMMENTS? YES, I DID. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT NO TIME DURING, SINCE COVID STARTED HAVE WE WORKED IN A MANNER TO TRY TO KEEP THE PUBLIC OUT.

WE WERE JUST FOLLOWING PROTOCOLS TO KEEP OURSELVES SAFE AND THE PUBLIC SAFE.

SO I TAKE A BIT OF AN HOMAGE TO THE COMMENTS THAT I HOPE PEOPLE HAVE NOT PERCEIVED AS BEING HIDING BECAUSE WE HAVE WANTED THE PUBLIC TO BE INVOLVED AND HAVE TRIED EVERY WHICH WAY WE CAN TO INVOLVE THEM AND WE WERE DOING WHAT WE WERE DOING AS RESPONSIBLE COUNCILLORS FOR THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE AND STAFF.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP JUST A GENERAL COMMENT, I WOULD HAVE PERSONALLY PREFERRED TO DELAY IT ANOTHER MONTH, I THINK SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MOVEMENT WITH THE REINTRODUCTION TO SCHOOL IN SEPTEMBER MEANS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY MOVEMENT GOING ON IN THE PROVINCE. SO MY PREFERENCE WOULD HAVE BEEN TO HOLD OFF ANOTHER MONTH, NOT IN ANY WAY TRYING TO IMPACT THE BUSINESS OF THE MUNICIPALITY OR TO IMPACT THE VERY IMPORTANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF OUR VOLUNTEERS.

SO I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION TONIGHT.

HOWEVER, THERE WILL DEFINITELY BE CERTAIN MEETINGS THAT I PERSONALLY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ATTEND BASED ON SITUATION AND LAYOUT THAT TYPE OF THING.

COMMITTEE OF A WHOLE I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH.

ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT ALL ALONG ANYWAY.

FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, OTHER THAN JUST OUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING.

SO JUST A COUPLE OF GENERAL COMMENTS.

THANK YOU.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. THANK YOU, YOU WORSHIP THROUGH YOU JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

IF WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE COMMITTEE AS A WHOLE, WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE ROTATION, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO START WITH? ARE WE GOING TO START WITH BYLAWS OR WHAT DO WE WHAT SPECIFIC AREAS? MS. BRAY. SO WE ALLOWED ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA.

THERE WAS NO IT WASN'T DESIGNATED TO DIFFERENT TOPICS.

YEAH, I THINK. OK, MR. GAGNON. I THINK THAT WHOLE CONCEPT MAY HAVE GOTTEN OVERSTATED AND I'M PROBABLY TO BLAME FOR IT. SO I THINK WE ESPECIALLY NOW IN THE PANDEMIC, WE JUST HAVE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AS THE NAME WOULD IMPLY, IT'S THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ANYTHING THAT'S AVAILABLE COMES AT ANY MEETING. THERE WAS SOME TALK OF HAVING SORT OF THEMES BASED ON THE OLD STANDING COMMITTEES. I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S RELEVANT OR NECESSARY AT THIS POINT.

LET'S JUST GET BACK INTO A GROOVE AND SEE HOW IT GOES.

AND AS WE GET FURTHER INTO THE TRIAL PERIOD, WE CAN SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO TRY TO STRIVE FOR.

BUT I'M NOT. I BELIEVE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE AMENDMENT STILL.

WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON THE AMENDMENT SO IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE AMENDMENT THAT'S ON THE TABLE? COUNCILLOR CYR.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD AMEND THE AMENDMENT TO INCLUDE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS TO BE RESTORED AND PUBLIC QUESTION PERIODS TO BE RESTORED FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR COUNCIL.

MR. GAGNON. JUST MAYBE THE CLERK CAN CLARIFY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER IF WE AMENDED OUR PROCEDURAL BYLAW OR WE HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS RELATED TO THE DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY.

AND WILL WE HAVE TO SOMEHOW IN MORE DETAIL AMEND THAT TO ALLOW DELEGATIONS AND IN-PERSON QUESTION PERIOD? JUST FUZZY ON IT.

SO WE DID AMEND OUR PROCEDURAL BYLAW THAT DURING A DECLARED EMERGENCY BY EITHER THE PROVINCE OR THE MUNICIPALITY, WE DO ALLOW PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD IT'S JUST DONE DIFFERENTLY. IT'S THROUGH QUESTIONS ARE EMAILED IN AND READ BY THE CHAIR.

AND THEN FOR DELEGATIONS AND PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS THOSE ARE HELD ONLY FOR THINGS THAT ARE TIME SENSITIVE NATURE.

OK, SO FOR COUNCILLOR CYR'S, PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE ADDITIONAL STEPS, AS IS WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.

WHILE YOU STILL CAN DO A DELEGATION AND A PRESENTATION, IT'S JUST SENT IN BY EMAIL AND IT'S READ OUT BY THE CHAIR.

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SO I THINK COUNCILLOR CYR FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS PROPOSING, THAT WE GET BACK TO REGULAR MEETINGS AND PUBLIC ATTENDING AND PUBLIC BEING ABLE TO HAVE DELEGATIONS AND QUESTIONS IN PUBLIC, AM I CORRECT? YES, IT'S RESTORING ACCESS, NORMAL ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC.

OK, THIS IS THE MEETING IS FOR THEM.

OK, SO IS THERE SECONDER FOR THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I DON'T THINK IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? I THINK IT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT REQUEST.

AND AS THE MOVER, I AM FINE WITH IT.

OK, THEN IT'S INCLUDED IN THE AMENDMENT.

MR. GAGNON. IF THIS PASSES, WE CAN JUST SIMPLY BRING WHATEVER CHANGES WE NEED TO THE FIRST COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE TO MAKE IT KICK IN.

AND THEN BY THE TIME WE HAVE OUR OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, IT'LL BE IN PLACE GIVE OR TAKE. OKAY SOUNDS GOOD. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT THAT WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUMP THAT UP, PROVIDING THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, AND IF WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE PROCEDURAL BY LAW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUMP THAT UP TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING IF THERE ARE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENT AT THAT FIRST MEETING SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY FOLLOW THE PROCESS PROPERLY.

SO WE MAY HAVE TO CHANGE OUR AGENDA.

AND SPEAK TO THAT FIRST AT THAT FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

IF NECESSARY, CAN SUSPEND THE PROCEDURAL BYLAW TO DO SO.

OK, IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN, ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED.

SO BACK TO THE REPORT AND THE MOTION AS AMENDED.

ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION, COUNCILLOR TURNER I THINK I STILL HAD YOU ON FOR A MOTION.

I'M GOOD YOUR WORSHIP, BUT THE MOTION I WAS GOING TO ASK WHEN WE'RE GOING TO OPEN CITY HALL AGAIN BUT, I'LL GET TO THAT LATER, OK? OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE MOTION, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE AS AMENDED, ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. SIX POINT FIVE REPORT OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER RE THE 2020 OUTDOOR SPACES ACCESSIBILITY AUDIT.

RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE REPORT OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER DATED AUGUST 17, 2020 BE RECEIVED AND THAT COUNCIL REVIEW AND ACCEPT THE ACCESSIBILITY AUDIT OUTDOOR SPACES PERFORMED JUNE 22ND TO 24TH, 2020.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER AND A SECONDER PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR. SECONDER.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

I'M GOING TO MS. ROY ISN'T HERE THIS EVENING, BUT IMAGINE MS. VLAHOVICH WILL HIT THAT AND I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO REQUEST THAT THIS BE REFERRED TO THE AAC FOR REVIEW.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I WAS GOING TO PUT THAT MOTION ON THE FLOOR, PUT A MOTION TO DEFER THIS, TO COME BACK ONCE THE AAC HAS SEEN IT.

I ALSO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS OF IT.

BUT WE CAN I CAN EITHER DEAL WITH THAT WITH STAFF LATER, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO DEFER IT UNTIL IT HAS BEEN VIEWED BASED ON THE EMAILS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A REFERRAL TO THE AAC FOR REVIEW.

YOUR WORSHIP I DON'T THINK IT'S A DEFERRAL TO AAC.

I THINK IT'S A REFERRAL.

YES, YES, A REFERRAL TO THE AAC.

IS THERE A SECONDER FOR THAT.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

I'LL ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THE REFERRAL, SINCE THAT IS THE MOTION ON THE TABLE NOW. OKAY FOLLOWING PROCESS COUNCILLOR CYR.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. IT'S I THINK IN THIS CASE THIS IS THE CORRECT THING TO DO AS PER THE AODA I THINK IT'S DAC HAS THE MANDATE TO REVIEW MATERIALS BEFORE COUNCIL, IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THE COMMITTEE SO.

EXACTLY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP ACTING AS CHAIR OF THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS SURPRISED THAT THIS CAME TO COUNCIL FIRST, AS OPPOSED TO GO DIRECT TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT IT'S UNDERSTOOD THE COMMITTEES HAVEN'T BEEN MEETING AND THAT IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT COUNCIL SHOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT THEY GOT FOR THEIR MONEY.

SEEING AS HOW THEY AUTHORIZED THE AUDIT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND THE PLAN IS PART OF A REQUIREMENT TO THE ONTARIO GOVERNMENT THAT ITS BE PREPARED AND SUBMITTED TO THE PROVINCE REGULARLY.

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THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE REFERRAL? AS HAS BEEN MENTIONED HERE IS SOMETHING THAT BOTH AAC AND COUNCIL DID APPROVE TO HAVE DONE QUITE A FEW MONTHS AGO.

AND WAS THE NEXT STEP FOR US, I'M GLAD TO SEE IT HAPPENING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO REVIEWING THIS WITH THE AAC AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED. SIX POINT SIX REPORT OF THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER.

RE THE 2020 2025 CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE MULTI-YEAR ACCESSIBILITY PLAN I'M TRYING TO GET TO.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THING GO ON HERE.

BE A MOTION TO REFER.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

QUESTIONS QUALMS QUERIES ON THE REFERRAL.

ESSENTIALLY THE SAME CONVERSATION, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GETTING THIS DONE AND I THINK, MR. WATTS FOR COMING BACK AND SPENDING HIS TIME HERE.

LOOK FORWARD TO REVIEWING THIS WITH THE COMMITTEE AND I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE ON THE REFERRAL ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED. OK, 6 .7 MEMO FROM THE CAO, RE POLITICAL LITIGATION OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH LITIGATION OR POTENTIAL LITIGATION AFFECTING THE MUNICIPALITY MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION UNDER SECTION 239, TWO OF MUNICIPAL ACT.

MAY I HAVE A MOVER TO PUT THAT IN CLOSED SESSION PLEASE.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR MANN. SECOND, BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

ANY QUESTIONS QUALMS QUERIES SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED TO CLOSED.

SIX POINT EIGHT MEMO FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER.

TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF LEAST SPACE AT PEARSON PLAZA.

AS THIS MATTER DEALS WITH IDENTIFIABLE INDIVIDUALS AS WELL AS ADVICE THAT IS SUBJECT TO SOLICITOR CLIENT PRIVILEGE THAT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239(2)(B) & (F) OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.

A MOVE TO PUT THAT IN CLOSED ALSO.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

SECOND, BY COUNCILLOR TURNER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED TO CLOSED.

SIX POINT NINE MEMO FROM THE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, RE AN UPDATE ON C.U.P.E., LOCAL 170 COLLECTIVE AGREEMENTS, STATUS AND JOB EVALUATION REVIEW PROCESS.

AS THIS MATTER, DEALS WITH LABOR RELATIONS AND IDENTIFIABLE INDIVIDUALS MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239(2)(B)&(D) OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT.

MOVER TO PUT THAT IN CLOSED. MOVED BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

SECOND, BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

IF NONE ALL IN FAVOR, THAT'S ALSO CARRIED TO CLOSED.

AND SEVEN PRESENTATION AND COMMITTEE REPORTS AND NONE OUTSIDE BOARD AND COMMITTEE REPORTING NONE, NINE UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

[9. UNFINISHED BUSINESS]

MR. GAGNON, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP ON THIS MATTER WE DID HAVE SENIOR STAFF AND MYSELF HAD A CALL WITH OUR RETAINED ARCHITECTS.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR DATES.

SO I'LL BE POLLING COUNCIL FOR A LATE SEPTEMBER HUB COMMITTEE MEETING, PERHAPS INVITING ALL OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS WHERE WE WILL BE ABLE TO HAVE A THOROUGH UPDATE FROM THE PLANNING THAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING ON THE SITE FOR 151 ONTARIO.

AND OF COURSE, I GAVE THEM THE NEWS THAT WE WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL IN THE ICIP INTAKE.

SO WE HAD THEM STARTING TO WRAP THEIR MINDS AROUND A PHASED APPROACH.

WHAT WOULD YOU KNOW, FOCUSING ON THE ARENA AND THE POOL, PERHAPS A WALKING TRACK, IN PHASE ONE OF THAT NATURE WITH MAYBE SUBSEQUENT PHASES DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT COULD BE EASILY ADDED ON JUST TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO WRAP THEIR MIND AROUND.

THEY ARE STILL LOOKING AT THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING, WHETHER IT BE THE FULL THIRTY EIGHT MILLION OR THE PHASED APPROACH.

SO THEY'LL HAVE BY LATE SEPTEMBER, AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY GIVE US SOME DETAILS AS TO WHAT THE FOOTPRINT MAY LOOK LIKE, WHAT THE COST PROS AND CONS AND BENEFITS ANALYSIS OF PHASING WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND ALSO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUILDING MATERIALS OR BUILDING PROCESSES, THE PREFAB, THE ENGINEER, THAT KIND OF STUFF.

THEY'VE BEEN DOING THAT ALREADY.

THAT WAS THEIR MANDATE. NOW THEY'RE JUST SORT OF ADDING THE WRINKLE THAT PERHAPS THE 38

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SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THE DESIGN SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO.

WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE FORMAT YET WHETHER THEY CAN COME IN PERSON OR DO THAT, VIA ZOOM FOR THE REST OF US WE'LL GET THAT SORTED OUT.

BUT THEY SUGGESTED THAT FOR THEIR TIME FRAME TO HAVE SOME MEANINGFUL DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME VISUALS AND SOME MEAT BEHIND IT.

SO IF THAT'S FRIENDLY TO COUNCIL, THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE BE LOOKING AT, TRYING TO LINE UP.

AND THEN IN LIGHT OF THE CONVERSATION EARLIER, WE'LL LOOP IN ALL OF OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND GET THEM, YOU KNOW, POLLED AS TO WHAT THEIR APPETITE IS FOR IN PERSON AND WHATNOT AND GET BACK INTO THE GROOVE OF HUB PLANNING IN GENERAL.

I HAVEN'T HAD TIME YET TO REACH OUT TO THE FUNDERS TO TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT HAPPENED WITH OUR FUNDING APPLICATION.

WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AND A LITTLE BIT BUSY ON THE ARTS HUB AS WELL AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT, TRYING TO GET THE MATERIAL ASSEMBLED FOR THE ARTS CONSULTANTS TO GET THEIR PROCESS MOVING SOON.

AND THANK YOU, MR. GAGNON. I KNOW THAT THERE'S OTHER SMALLER ENVELOPES OF FUNDING THAT ARE AVAILABLE, INCLUDING IN NOHFC, WHICH WE WERE APPROVED OF PHASE ONE APPROVAL BASICALLY APPROVED IN CONCEPT. SO IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT IS THE MAX ALLOTMENT THAT WE CAN SEE FROM THAT END WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE FOR US AND WHAT OTHER ENVELOPES ARE AVAILABLE TO SO. WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE AN IMPACT ON THE MUNICIPALITY IS A MUCH LARGER PORTION HAVING TO BE COVERED BY OURSELVES.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE IN THE VERY, VERY NEAR FUTURE.

SO THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, SO THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE IS ALREADY FUNDED, WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT IN THE BUDGET, WE'VE ALREADY GOT FUNDING FOR THAT MONEY. I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY MORE TAXPAYERS MONEY TO GO DOWN DIFFERENT VENUES WHEN WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE AREN'T GETTING FUNDING.

I HAVE NO ISSUE SPENDING STAFF TIME AND LOOKING FOR ENVELOPES OF MONEY THAT WE CAN GET FUNDED. THIS MUNICIPALITY CANNOT AFFORD TO BANKROLL THIS PROJECT, WHETHER IT BE 40 MILLION OR 20 MILLION DOLLARS, SO I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY ON THAT.

SIMILAR TO MY COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT THE FACILITIES, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS VERY COGNIZANT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN OUR FACILITIES.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER, I'VE BEEN AT THIS FOUR TIMES AND FOUR TIMES WE HAVEN'T MADE IT.

IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE KEEP OUR FACILITIES OPEN FOR THE MUNICIPALITY AND FOR THE CONSTITUENTS AND TAXPAYERS.

SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF ISN'T SPENDING UNDUE AMOUNTS OF MONEY OTHER THAN WHAT WE CAN GET FUNDED FROM THE PROVINCE AND THE FEDS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY OF THIS.

JUST FOR CLARITY FOR MYSELF HERE, COUNCIL HAS APPROVED MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED A LARGE FUNDING, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SLAM ON THE BRAKES. ONE OF THE BIG PIECES A FEW YEARS AGO THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING IS THE CONTINUAL COST OF MAINTENANCE ON DECAYING FACILITIES.

AND LITERALLY, WHEN YOU ADD THEM UP THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, IT'S THE SAME THING.

IF YOU'RE DRIVING THAT 1968 PINTO AND YOU'RE PUTTING 500 BUCKS A MONTH IN REPAIRS INTO IT, WHEN YOU CAN BE PUTTING THAT 500 BUCKS A MONTH INTO A BRAND NEW MUSTANG, IT'S STILL THE SAME THING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

AND AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, COUNCIL IS STILL INTERESTED IN PURSUING FACILITIES SO MR. GAGNON. JUST TO COUNCILLOR PATRIE'S POINT, JUST TO CLARIFY, ONE OF THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH THE ENGINEERS WAS, DOES THIS CHANGE THE SCOPE OF WORK IN ANY WAY? AND THEY SAID, NO, THIS IS ABSORBABLE WITHIN THE ORIGINAL MANDATE.

SO WE'RE NOT SPENDING ANY NEW DOLLARS FOR THIS SLIGHT TWEAK IN FOCUS.

SO IT'S FRIENDLY IN THAT SENSE THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING ANY NEW DOLLARS TO TRY TO ASSESS WHETHER A PHASED APPROACH IS GOING TO BE I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE GO TO DETAILED DESIGN.

I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR FOCUS A BIT ON THE BACK END OF THEIR MANDATE, ALREADY APPROVED SCOPE OF WORK THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THEM RETAINED FOR.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS GOING TO TRANSPIRE.

I NEVER VOTED ON ANYTHING THAT SAYS THAT I'M WILLING TO SPEND TAXPAYERS MONEY TO BUILD THIS FACILITY IF WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING.

AND I DON'T KNOW. I DO KNOW THAT COMMENTS WERE MADE AT THE LAST MEETING THAT COUNCIL DID UNANIMOUSLY SAY WE WOULD BUILD IT REGARDLESS.

I NEVER VOTED ON THAT.

I KNOW THE QUESTION WAS POSED BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WAS A RESPONSE TO HIM.

BUT THERE WAS NEVER A VOTE BY COUNCIL TO SAY THAT WE WOULD BUILD THIS ON THE BACK OF THE TAXPAYERS SHOULDERS.

THE TAXPAYERS CAN'T AFFORD THIS.

AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF FUNDING THIS 100 PERCENT.

I AM IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING DOWN THE PATH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY SHOVEL READY.

AND IT COULD BE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DIDN'T GET FUNDING IS WE'RE NOT SHOVEL READY.

SO IT'S ONE THING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR FUNDING POCKETS TO BE ABLE TO BE IN THAT STAGE, THAT WE GET TO APPLY FOR A FIFTH ROUND OF FUNDING.

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BUT A 20 TO 30 PERCENT TAX INCREASE WILL BANKRUPT THIS MUNICIPALITY, IN MY OPINION.

IT WILL BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION FOR A DIFFERENT TIME, I'M SURE.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. WELL, I CAN'T HELP BUT TO RESPOND TO THE CONCEPT OF A 20 TO 30 PERCENT TAX INCREASE. WE COULD BASED ON STANDARD BORING PRACTICE THROUGH ONTARIO ONE AT ABOUT TWO POINT EIGHT NINE PERCENT, LAST I LOOKED. WOULDN'T HAVE VARIED MUCH FROM THAT.

ON A LOAN OR MORTGAGE.

WE COULD FUND 38 MILLION AND THE EFFECT ON TAXPAYERS IN ELLIOT LAKE SIXTY FIVE HUNDRED ROUGHLY TAXPAYERS, AMOUNTS TO ABOUT TWENTY DOLLARS AND THIRTY CENTS A MONTH.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S 20, 30 PERCENT INCREASE.

NOW, I HAVE NO INTENTION OF ENCOURAGING THE IDEA OF WE FUND IT ALL.

IT IS IMPORTANT THAT COUNCIL KEEP STEADY VISION OF WHAT IT IS WE NEED AND LOOK TO WAYS TO GETTING THERE. NOW WE WILL GO AFTER EVERY GRANT POSSIBLY AVAILABLE AND WE'RE NOT BEGGING FOR GRANTS. THIS IS MONEY THAT WE ALREADY PUT IN THE POCKETS OF THE PROVINCE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. EVERY TIME WE PAY JUST TO EAT, BUY GAS, BUY ANYTHING, WE'RE FUNDING THOSE POTS. WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR SOME OF IT BACK.

NOW WE'LL GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT THE FACILITIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE CITIZENS OF ELLIOT LAKE ARE THERE AT THE BEST PRICE AVAILABLE. BUT OUR DUTY IS TO THE CORPORATION AND THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND NOT TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY TO THE NOISE ON THE INTERNET FROM THE KEYBOARD COMMANDOS WHO ARE SO VIRTUOUS IN THEIR STANCES.

SO I LOOK FORWARD TO A GOOD DISCUSSION CONTRIBUTION BY OUR TREASURER, OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US.

CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THE ARCHITECTS HAVE TO SAY AS TO WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE, DIFFERENT OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR US AND WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE.

THANK YOU. OK, I THINK IT'S SAFE TO MOVE ON TO 9.2.

I'M GOING TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT OUR DISCUSSION WITH THE VARIOUS MINISTRIES, WITH OUR AMO DELEGATIONS THERE DURING COUNSEL'S REPORT, BECAUSE I THINK TOM HIT ONE OF THE PIECES.

WE ALL PUT MONEY IN THAT POT AND FOR SOME REASON THAT POT DOESN'T KNOW WE'RE IN NORTHERN ONTARIO IS PAST THAT [INAUDIBLE] SOUND MARK THE POT DOESN'T ROLL THAT FAR.

AND THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN, GETTING LIP SERVICE.

AND WE WERE, I'M GOING TO MAKE MY COMMENTS AFTER 9.2.

9.2 IS THE ARTS HUB. ARTS HUB YES.

SO WE'RE STILL JUST ASSEMBLING DOCUMENTS AND REACHING OUT TO THE THE ARCHITECTS WHO HAVE BEEN RETAINED FOR THE ARTS HUB.

WE WILL BE LOOKING AT DATES IN EARLY SEPTEMBER FOR FOCUS GROUPS OR COMMUNITY CONSULTATIONS, AND THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A FEW NAMES.

WE HAVE TWO OF THEM ALREADY FOR SOME PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS, BUT WE'RE STILL JUST ASSEMBLING DOCUMENTS AND GETTING THEM SENT TO THEM FOR THEIR REVIEW.

SO WE SHOULD BE GETTING MOVING IN EARLY SEPTEMBER ON THAT.

WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET FROM THE FUNDERS OTHER THAN A COUPLE OF EMAILS SO WE'RE IN THE QUEUE. WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD THE FINAL GREEN LIGHT SAYING YOU'VE BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED SO YOU CAN INCUR REAL EXPENSES.

BUT THE FIRM KNOWS THAT WE WON'T BE INCURRING ANY EXPENSES UNTIL WE GET THAT LETTER SO WE DON'T SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT.

SO PROCESS WILL BE STILL MOVING IN EARLY SEPTEMBER TO GET THE ARTS FEASIBILITY STUDY, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, MOVING, REACHING OUT, OF COURSE, TO ALL OUR STAKEHOLDERS IN THE ARTS AND CULTURE COMMUNITY TO START TO DEVELOP THAT FEASIBILITY STUDY FOR THE NEW ARTS AND CULTURE HUB. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT ONE? NONE. OK, NINE POINT THREE RESIDENTIAL WATER DEVELOPMENT OPTIONS, STANDING ITEM.

THIS MATTER DEALS WITH POTENTIAL ACQUISITION DISPOSITION OF PROPERTY OWNED BY MUNICIPALITY IT MAY BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION AS PER SECTION 239 (2)(B)&(D) OF THE MUNICIPAL ACT. I'D ASK MR. GAGNON FIRST. IS THERE ANY PERTINENT UPDATES? THERE'S NOTHING TIME-SENSITIVE.

I COULD GIVE YOU A VERBAL UPDATE TO SOME DEGREE, BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, THERE'S NOTHING, ON PAPER THAT REQUIRES A CLOSED SESSION.

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JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THERE'S SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU CAN GIVE US, THAT'S NOT CLOSED SESSION OR THAT SMALL INFORMATION, IT WOULD BE CLOSED SESSION.

I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE CLOSED SESSION, BUT IT'S NOT TIME SENSITIVE.

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST TO GIVE YOU A MEMO FOR THAT FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

SO YOU HAVE TIME TO ABSORB IT RATHER THAN GET IT ON THE FLY.

BUT IF IT'S COUNCIL'S WISH WE COULD GIVE YOU A VERBAL UPDATE ON IT.

FOLLOW UP. COUNCILLOR PATRIE. YES.

WILL THAT BE COMING TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FOR THAT UPDATE OR WILL WE BE WAITING UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER MEETING? THESE ITEMS, I DO BELIEVE THE STANDING ITEMS WOULD STAY ON THIS AGENDA AT THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE.

THAT'D BE FRIENDLY AS COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE SIGN YES.

SO NO REQUIREMENT TO GO IN CLOSED SESSION FOR THIS ONE THIS EVENING.

LOOK FORWARD TO THAT FOR SEPTEMBER 7TH, OR IS IT 8TH.

YEAH, OK.

THERE'S NO PETITION'S CORRESPONDENCE.

[11. CORRESPONDENCE]

CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR. SECOND, BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

JUST GO THROUGH THIS BUSINESS RESTART PROJECT.

SINCE ANNOUNCING THE BUSINESS RESTART PROJECT, ELNOS HAS RECEIVED MANY INQUIRIES FOR ASSISTANCE BELOW'S A LIST OF CURRENT STATS FOR THE PROJECT.

A NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS RECEIVED 20.

A NUMBER OF APPROVED THIRTEEN.

TOTAL AMOUNT DISPERSED SEVENTEEN THOUSAND TWO 1877 APPLICATIONS PENDING ARE SEVEN.

TOTAL FUNDS PENDING EIGHT THOUSAND NINE FIFTY ONE SIXTEEN.

AND THE REMAINING BALANCE IN THE FUND IS TWENTY THREE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED AND THIRTY AND SEVEN CENTS. AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL AND ELNOS FOR MAKING THIS HAPPEN FOR OUR BUSINESSES AND THE COMMUNITY.

ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE. YES, THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

MR. GAGNON.

WOULD THIS MONEY BE PART OF WHAT CAN BE REIMBURSED BY THE EMERGENCY FUND THAT THE PROVINCE HAS JUST ANNOUNCED FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO COVER THE COST OF COVID.

WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING INTO THE FINE PRINT ON THAT AND WE WILL CERTAINLY TRY AND THEN SEE WHAT THE BUREAUCRACY SAYS ABOUT IT.

I THINK IS GENERALLY OUR SESSION WHEN WE WAS DISCUSSING IT WITH THE TREASURER.

SO WE'LL TRY AND WE'LL SEE IF THEY VIEW IT AS ELIGIBLE OR NOT.

SOME OF THAT FINE PRINT IS A LITTLE HARD TO COME BY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS ON THE SUBJECT.

SO THEN I'LL CALL FOR THE VOTE, THE MOTION IS TO RECEIVE ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED. THANK YOU.

11.2 JULY 30TH, 2020 LETTER FROM PASCUZZI & BERLINGIERI LAWYERS REMOVAL OF COUNCILLOR PATRIE FROM ALGOMA DISTRICT SERVICES ADMIN BOARD.

A MOTION TO RECEIVE ALSO.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

OK, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? OK, I JUST I'LL MAKE A COMMENT THANKING ADSAB FOR RESPECTING THE DECISION OF OUR COUNCIL.

AND I PROBABLY POINT OUT THAT THIS LEGAL TEAM SHOULD READ THE 70 PAGE REPORT, BECAUSE THIS TOTALLY TIES CODE OF CONDUCT TO CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND IN THAT REPORT, THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ENTITIES, SO THAT'S ALL I NEED TO SAY ABOUT THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OK, MOTION TO RECEIVE.

ALL IN FAVOR. THANK YOU.

THAT'S BEEN RECEIVED.

[12. NOTICES OF MOTION]

COUNCILLOR PATRIE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.

NOTICE OF THE MOTION IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING FORWARD THAT A POLICY BE IMMEDIATELY IMPLEMENTED THAT THE LIVE CAMERA IN A MEETING NOT BE TURNED OFF UNTIL THE CLOSED SESSION CAMERA HAS BEEN TURNED ON.

AND I SO MOVE.

IS THERE A SECONDER FOR THE MOTION.

SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR MANN AND LET YOU GO THROUGH YOUR REPORT COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING OF COUNCIL, THERE WAS A SITUATION THAT TRANSPIRED.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO ENSURE THAT STAFF AND COUNCIL ARE KEPT SAFE AND THAT THEY ARE PROTECTED. SO I WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CLOSED SESSION CAMERA IS TURNED ON PRIOR TO THE LIVE CAMERA BEING TURNED OFF.

THERE WAS AN OUTBURST MADE BY A MEMBER TOWARDS ANOTHER MEMBER, AS WELL AS TO STAFF AND TO ASSIST IN ENSURING THAT MEMBERS ARE SAFE, PROTECTED AND NOT THREATENED OR INSULTED IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE CAMERAS STAY ON TO DETER DETRIMENTAL BEHAVIOR.

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WE ALREADY HAVE THE CAMERAS IN PLACE AND IT WOULD FOSTER A SAFE AND PROFESSIONAL PLACE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES.

AND THE SUMMARY IS BASED ON THE OUTBURST AND THREATS TO STAFF, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THERE BE A CAMERA SERVICE AT ALL TIME WHILE MEETINGS ARE TRANSPIRING.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

I MUST HAVE BEEN OUTSIDE FOR THE MOMENT BECAUSE I DON'T RECALL ANY THREATS TO STAFF, BUT I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH YOUR NOTICE OF MOTION OVERALL AND I LOOK AROUND AND ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, IT'S NOT QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, I GUESS IT'S A COMMENT ABOUT CLOSED SESSION THAT WE VOTE HERE TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AND THEN WE NORMALLY, OTHER THAN COVID TIMES, LEAVE AND GO TO THE ROOM WHERE SOME PEOPLE GO OUTSIDE.

SOME PEOPLE HAVE GONE OUTSIDE FOR THEIR FRESH AIR BREAK WHATEVER PEOPLE FROM THE AUDIENCE HAVE GONE WITH THEM AND I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK, WE NEED TO SAY WE'RE HAVING A BREAK AND THEN WE NEED TO COME BACK IN AND THEN GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.

AND THEN GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHEN WE'RE ALL WALKING AROUND, SOMETIMES WE'RE TALKING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE AUDIENCE.

SOMETIMES WE'RE GONE TO THE WASHROOM.

I THINK THAT WE JUST NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A BREAK, THEN WE HAVE A BREAK.

THEN WE COME BACK AND WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION AND THEN WE PROCEED TO CLOSED SESSION, WHETHER WE LEAVE THE ROOM OR STAY HERE.

JUST A POINT OF PROCESS.

ANY COMMENTS FROM OUR CLERK ON PROCESS? NO. YES I'M ONE THAT FREQUENTLY USES THE WASHROOM AND FRESH AIR BREAKS IN BETWEEN, AND THAT'S HOW I USUALLY SAY WE'LL RECONVENE IN TEN MINUTES AFTER IT'S USUALLY A RACE FOR THAT ONE WASHROOM TOO. [LAUGHTER]. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS? OK, I'LL CALL FOR A ROLL CALL VOTE AND I'LL START WITH COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN FAVOR. AND MAY I ADD TO IT, I KNOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE VOTE AND I SHOULDN'T, BUT THAT WE BEGIN WITH IT AT THIS MEETING.

YOUR WORSHIP THE QUESTION HAS BEEN CALLED THERE'S NO DISCUSSION.

IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR MANN. IN FAVOR, COUNCILLOR CYR.

IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

OPPOSED. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

OPPOSED.

I'M IN FAVOR, I GUESS THAT'S CARRIED.

TWELVE POINT TWO, NOTICE OF MOTION FROM COUNCILLOR PATRIE, RE THE CURRENT INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER AGREEMENT WITH CUNNINGHAM SWAN.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. THANK YOU.

I'D LIKE TO BRING THE NOTICE OF MOTION THAT THE CURRENT INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER AGREEMENT BE IMMEDIATELY CANCELED AND THAT ROBERT SWAYZE BE REAPPOINTED UNDER THE PREVIOUS AGREEMENT. AND I SO MOVE.

IS THERE A SECONDER FOR THIS? SECONDED FOR DISCUSSION, BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

AND COUNCILLOR PATRIE YOU CAN GO THROUGH YOUR REPORT.

THANK YOU. THE OBJECTIVE IS TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY FOLLOWS ALL RULES AND REGULATIONS.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER OF CUNNINGHAM SWAN BE RESCINDED AND THAT ROBERT SWAYZE BE REAPPOINTED IMMEDIATELY.

THE BACKGROUND IS THAT IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING THAT CUNNINGHAM SWAN, IS WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE MUNICIPALITY AS WELL AS BEING THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER FOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

THE ANALYSIS IS IT IS NOT PROPER FOR A LAW FIRM TO PERFORM WORK FOR AND AGAINST THE SAME ENTITY. THEREFORE, THE FIRM SHOULD BE REMOVED.

THE FINANCIAL IMPACT WOULD BE IT SHOULD BE NEGLIGIBLE.

THERE SHOULD BE VERY LITTLE CHANGE TO THE BUDGET.

AND THE LINKS TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS TO ENSURE THE MUNICIPALITY FOLLOWS RULES AND REGULATIONS AND NOT JEOPARDIZE OUR SUPPLIERS.

SO THE SUMMARY IS BASED ON THE FACTS THAT THE FIRM CUNNINGHAM SWAN IS BEING TASKED WITH DUTIES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.

THEY SHOULD NOT BE TASKED WITH THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST OF BEING THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MR. GAGNON, BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, OTHER DUTIES THAT CUNNINGHAM SWAN DOES FOR THE CITY.

I SHOULD CLARIFY THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER IS NOT CUNNINGHAM SWAN THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER IS TONY FLEMING.

THE FIRM HAS SEVERAL LAWYERS AND COUNCIL HAS ALREADY REPORTED TO THIS.

I UNDERSTAND YOU GET A LOT OF EMAILS FROM ME, BUT THERE WAS AN EMAIL IN JANUARY THAT VERY CLEARLY STATED THAT WE USE THE FIRM OF CUNNINGHAM SWAN TWO OTHER LAWYERS, ALAN WHITE AND [INAUDIBLE] INGRAM, STRICTLY FOR HUMAN RESOURCE MATTERS.

SO I DON'T SEE THAT THE USE OF THE SAME FIRM, THERE'S NO INDICATION THAT USING THE SAME

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HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, PERCEPTION IS REALITY.

IF COUNCIL WANTS TO KEEP THE PERCEPTION OF A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FIRM AND GO BACK TO ROBERT SWAYZE, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY COUNCIL'S DISCRETION.

ANY ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE ARE ANY BECAUSE THEY'RE GENERALLY CONFIDENTIAL WOULD NEED TO BE FINISHED BY MR. FLEMING. BUT WE USE DIFFERENT LAWYERS FROM THE SAME FIRM FOR VASTLY DIFFERENT REASONS, STRICTLY HUMAN RESOURCE.

AND TONY FLEMING IS THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER, NOT THE FIRM.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S MY SUBMISSION IT'S UP TO COUNCIL.

HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THAT GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR CYR.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS COMING FROM THIS.

I MEAN, TO ME, IT'S NO DIFFERENCE FOR EITHER ONE.

I THINK EITHER ONE IS VERY REPUTABLE AND HONEST AND EFFICIENT.

BUT AT THE TIME WHEN WE ACTUALLY APPOINTED TONY FLEMING AS OUR IC, I REMEMBER CLEARLY MR . PATRIE GLOATING ON HOW PROFESSIONAL AND WELL RESPECTED IC HE WAS.

SO THIS COMES OUT OF MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING IN THIS REPORT WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN THE OPINION HAS CHANGED.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE POTENTIAL REPLACEMENT WITH MR . SWAYZE. THE RESOLUTION CLEARLY STATES IMMEDIATE.

DO WE HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE THAT MR. SWAYZE WOULD BE ABLE WILLING TO TAKE ON ANOTHER CLIENT, ONE THAT ACTUALLY WE ENDED A RELATIONSHIP WITH TWENTY FOUR MONTHS AGO, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS. THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST QUESTION.

YEAH, I ANTICIPATED THAT QUESTION.

SO I CHECKED WITH MR. SWAYZE. I'VE HAD THE ODD CONVERSATION WITH HIM IN THE INTER-MEETING 18 MONTHS OR WHATEVER ALONG IT'S BEEN. SO HE IS AVAILABLE AND WILLING TO TAKE ON A NEW ASSIGNMENT, SUBJECT TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER ABOUT ANY ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS NEED TO BE COMPLETED BY MR. FLEMING. FOLLOW UP COUNCILLOR MANN.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP. I THINK TO MR. GAGNON'S POINT ABOUT OPTICS, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY VERY ACCURATE.

I GUESS THE REAL ISSUE IS, IS THE HR LITIGATION WORK FROM THIS FIRM VALUABLE ENOUGH TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT AN IC POSITION WITH THE SAME FIRM? THAT'S REALLY THE ISSUE TO ME.

IF THOSE SERVICES CAN BE RENDERED ELSEWHERE, THEN SO BE IT.

BUT I THINK OPTICALLY I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS WITH FIRMS REPRESENTING SEVERAL FILES WITH ANY ORGANIZATION THAT MAY BE COMPETING AND OPTICALLY THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME.

SO WHETHER THAT MEANS THIS OR WHETHER IT MEANS GOING IN ANOTHER DIRECTION, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO. AND CLEARLY, I THINK YOU'VE STARTED TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION TO COUNCIL ON SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.

AND I THINK THAT'S VERY VALUABLE.

BUT I THINK THAT MIGHT MEAN A NEED FOR A LARGER DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL ON LEGAL REPRESENTATION IN GENERAL.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG, AS MR. FLEMING AND CUNNINGHAM SWAN AS OUR INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER.

THE PROBLEM IS, ACCORDING TO THE LAW SOCIETY, A FIRM CANNOT ACT ON BOTH SIDES OF AN ENTITY. AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING THAT.

I'M JUST TRYING TO DO THIS THE EASIEST WAY POSSIBLE.

I THINK IT'S PRUDENT THAT AS A MUNICIPALITY WE ARE RESPONSIBLE AND THAT WE DO NOT USE THE SAME FIRM FOR BOTH SIDES OF ACTIONS.

SO IT'S MY REASONING TO DO IT, I THINK IT'S CLEANER TO DO IT THIS WAY THAN ANY OTHER WAY.

COUNCILLOR TURNER. THANKS YOUR WORSHIP.

IT'S NOT REALLY CLEAR TO ME WHERE THE CONFLICT IS.

I CAN UNDERSTAND PEOPLE PERCEIVING A CONFLICT.

NOT SURE WHERE THE ACTUAL CONFLICT IS.

WE HAVE SOME LAWYERS IN THE FIRM THAT DO SOME HR WORK FOR US.

AND THEN COUNCIL HAS APPOINTED MR. FLEMING AS THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER.

AND THE LAST TIME WE APPOINTED AN INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER, I COULDN'T HELP BUT WONDER IF WE ARE OWED ANSWER SHOPPING OR WE HAD GOOD CAUSE.

NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A THIRD INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER IN A FAIRLY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, AND THAT INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER DOES NOT ACT STRICTLY ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL.

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IN MY MIND, THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER IS TOTALLY INDEPENDENT, THERE ARE NO SITUATIONS WHERE THE FIRM IS ACTING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE SAME SUIT OR THE SAME COMPLAINT WE'RE TALKING H.R., WE'RE TALKING INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER, TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF PRACTICE OF LAW, AND I DON'T THINK THE LAW SOCIETY HAS A PROBLEM WITH THAT KIND OF SITUATION. THANKS.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP, THROUGH YOU.

I WOULD AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT COUNCILLOR TURNER SAID AND I THINK COUNCILLOR MANN MADE A VERY VALID POINT, AND THAT IS THAT OPTICS ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

SO HOW MANY INTEGRITY COMMISSIONERS WOULD THIS BE? HOW MANY CHANGES OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS? DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS NECESSARY? I DON'T THINK SO. COUNCILLOR CYR.

THANK YOU YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU. THE WAY I VIEW THE USE OF THE IC IS THE IC IS ACTUALLY PROTECTING THE CITY.

HE MAY HAVE TO REVIEW ACTIONS BY INDIVIDUALS.

BUT IT'S STILL PROTECTING THE CITY NOT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S THE INDIVIDUALS THEMSELVES THAT ARE CREATING CAUSE FOR IC USE, NOT THE CITY. SO I DON'T SEE WHERE THERE'S A CONFLICT, PERSONALLY, I CAN'T SEE THE CONFLICT.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT. AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE AGREEMENT, THE VALIDITY OF BOTH SIDES.

BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS A CONFLICT.

I STILL SEE THE IC USE AS PROTECTING THE INTEREST OF THE CITY AGAINST INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN ERROR, I GUESS WE COULD SAY.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. JUST FOR CLARITY, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FIRM.

AGAIN, I'LL SAY IT, THE LAW SOCIETY SAYS YOU CANNOT DO BOTH.

IT'S ALL I'M SAYING. IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHICH WAY THEY WANT TO GO WITH IT. COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

I HAVEN'T HAD ANY DEALINGS WITH MR. FLEMING, SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION BASED ON OUR SERVICE LEVEL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA.

CERTAINLY NOT AS LOUD AS OUR FORMER ONE WAS.

BUT WE IN THE BEGINNING, WHEN WE DIDN'T KNOW WE'VE HAD AN INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER FOR YEARS AND ONE WASN'T EVEN A LAWYER AND I THINK.

DIDN'T WE OR WE HAD A LOCAL LAWYER BACK IN 2010 WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, WE HAD SOMEONE THAT WAS OVERSEEING THINGS THAT WERE GOING ON THEN.

AND THEN WE WENT TO, I DON'T KNOW, THEN COUNCIL [INAUDIBLE] WENT TO MR. SWAYZE. THEN WE WENT TO E4M .

AND I DON'T THINK WHEN WE CHANGED FROM E4M I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GETTING A LOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ENDED UP RECEIVING AND WE DIDN'T SEE THEN ANY CONFLICT WOULD PURSUE.

BUT IT'S VERY EVIDENT SINCE THEN, LOOKING BACK THAT OPTICALLY AND I THINK WHAT WENT ON THERE WAS THAT EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILLOR PATRIE IS DESCRIBING HAPPENED.

SO. I GUESS I'M STUCK IN THE PLACE THAT IF WE KEPT MR. FLEMING AS THE IC AND WE HAD LAWYERS FROM THEIR FIRM DOING H.R.

AND IF THEY EVER CONFLICTED, WHAT WOULD WE DO THEN? BECAUSE COULD IS IT POSSIBLE THAT STAFF COULD BE DRAWN IN AND WE NEED HR LAWYERS IN ORDER TO DO SOME TYPE, ANY TYPE OF CONFLICT, BUT TO NEVER GIVE THEM ANY OTHER BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY ARE IC IS A COMMITMENT WE WOULD THEN HAVE TO MAKE OR ELSE WE'RE GOING TO END UP, AS WE WERE WITH E4M AND [INAUDIBLE] THERE WAS VERY MUCH TOO MUCH INTERMINGLING THAT HAD GONE ON. SO I OPTICALLY A LAWYER ONCE TOLD ME, IF IT LOOKS BAD AND IT SMELLS BAD, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SEE IT AS BAD.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING.

[01:20:01]

BUT IF THERE WAS JUST AN IC AND OF COURSE, THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STEP IN AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS IC PROCESS, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK.

WITH THE GOVERNMENT TO IT'S NOT WORKING, IN MY OPINION.

THINGS HAVE TO CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD.

THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOT TAKEN A LOOK AT THE PROGRAM OR THE LAWS OR MANDATES SINCE THEY TOOK OVER OFFICE.

SO I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT'S A MESS. SORRY.

I AGREE, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

MR. GAGNON, YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THE ISSUE? WELL, JUST TO REMIND COUNCIL THAT THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER IS COUNCIL'S AGENT, IT'S YOUR OFFICER. SO IT BASICALLY COMES DOWN TO YOUR GUT FEEL.

AND IF YOU WANT TO GO WITH MR. SWAYZE THEN GO WITH MR. SWAYZE, YOU WANT TO RETAIN MR. FLEMING, I'LL FIND DIFFERENT HR LAWYERS.

IT'S THAT SIMPLE. WE'LL HAVE TO PHASE THEM OUT THERE ON A COUPLE OF FILES.

BUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I'M HAPPY TO FIND A DIFFERENT HR LAWYER.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AS WELL.

BUT AGAIN, IT COMES DOWN THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER IS COMPLETELY COUNCIL'S CALL.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK AT EITHER SOLUTION.

COUNCILLOR MANN.

I BELIEVE MR. GAGNON ASKED MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

HE'S ALREADY ANSWERED IT. THANK YOU, COUNCILLOR TURNER.

THANKS. I GUESS IN THE SITUATION, THE CLIENT FOR THE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER IS THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

THE CLIENT FOR CUNNINGHAM SWAN FOR H.R.

MATTERS IS THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE, SAME CLIENT.

AND APPARENTLY THEIR LAWYERS AND MEMBERS OF THE LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA AND SHOULD PROBABLY KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A CONFLICT AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE PERMITTED TO DO THIS. IF IT'S WRONG AND IT'S CONTRARY TO THE LAW SOCIETY OF UPPER CANADA, THEN WE SHOULD DEFINITELY GET RID OF THE WHOLE FIRM BECAUSE THEY'RE ABOUT TO BE IN BIG TROUBLE WITH THE LAW SOCIETY.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

I THINK THAT IT'S CLEAR.

ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER.

I SEE STUFF IN HUMAN RESOURCES, IT'S REALLY UNLIKELY THAT THEY'LL EVER MEET AND WE SHOULD STAY WITH OUR INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER INSTEAD OF MOVING AROUND AGAIN.

COUNCILLOR CYR. THANK YOU, YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU.

ONE QUESTION IS THAT I HAVE WHAT ARE THE FEES? I FORGET WHAT THE FEES ARE FOR BOTH.

ARE THEY BOTH COMPARABLE? BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE WITH BOTH FROM WHAT I RECALL, THEY ARE BOTH PROFESSIONAL.

SO I HAVE NO INDIFFERENCE EITHER WAY.

THEY WERE BOTH IN THE SAME BALLPARK.

THEY WERE ROUGHLY THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR, I THINK ONE WAS THREE TWENTY AND ONE WAS TWO NINETY FIVE OFF TOP OF MY HEAD.

BUT THEY WERE DEFINITELY IN THE SAME BALLPARK.

FOLLOW UP COUNCILLOR CYR. SO MY FOLLOW UP, I GUESS.

OPTICS IS IMPORTANT AND TO ENSURE THAT OUR CITIZENS DO HAVE FAITH IN THE SYSTEM AND IN THEIR COUNCIL, I'M READY TO DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.

SO I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH EITHER ONE.

BOTH ARE VERY PROFESSIONAL.

DON'T REALLY I HAVE YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THEY ARE BOTH PROFESSIONAL, IF IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE CITY TO RETAIN THE HR SUPPORT WHICH WE NEED AT THE PRESENT TIME.

THEN I'M FINE WITH IT.

THANK YOU. MYSELF, PREFERABLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LEGAL OPINION FROM AN ACTUAL LAWYER ON THE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN ISSUE OR NOT.

I ALWAYS HAVE MAJOR CONCERN WHEN WE'RE JUMPING FROM ONE IC TO ANOTHER.

I HAD CONCERN WHEN WE DROPPED ROBERT SWAYZE.

HAD CONCERN WHEN WE DROPPED E4M.

I'D HAVE MAJOR CONCERN DROPPING CUNNINGHAM SWAN TO GO BACK TO ROBERT SWAYZE.

IT JUST FEELS LIKE A WHOLE LOT OF JUMPING AROUND.

I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T AGREE WITH THE WHOLE THING.

I'VE HAD NO ISSUES WITH ANY OF THEM OTHER THAN HAVING TO SEND A COPY OF OUR CODE OF CONDUCT TO THE JUNIOR ASSISTANT AT ONE POINT, BUT VERY, VERY PROFESSIONAL ALL THE WAY

[01:25:03]

SO, MR. GAGNON, YOU HAD A POINT.

JUST A QUICK MENTION TO COUNCILLOR FINAMORE'S POINT.

WE HAVE BEEN USING A THIRD FIRM, THE FIRM OF ERIC BURLESSON AND THE LAWYER OF JOHN [INAUDIBLE] HAS A NEUTRAL NO SKIN IN THE GAME, YOU KNOW LAWYER TO GIVE US IMPARTIAL ADVICE ON ALL KINDS OF THINGS SO WE CAN ALWAYS GET ADVICE FROM HIM AS NEEDED.

AND I'D BE COMFORTABLE IN DOING THAT.

BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE A NOTICE OF MOTION ON THE TABLE AND I'M FINE WITH HOWEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO PROCEED.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. ALL DUE RESPECT, TO SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY, I ALREADY GOT A LEGAL OPINION AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THE NOTICE MOTION FORWARD.

IT'S ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY.

I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR THE VOTE.

OK, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE LEGAL OPINION, SO WE WILL GO TO THE VOTE.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR MANN.

IN FAVOR. COUNCILLOR CYR.

IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR TURNER.

OPPOSED.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE. IN FAVOR.

COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

OPPOSED. I'M OPPOSED ALSO, BUT THAT'S A CARRIED.

ALL RIGHT. COUNCILS, REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS

[13. COUNCIL REPORTS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS]

SEPTEMBER 2ND FROM 11 TO SEVEN, HAZARDOUS WASTE DROP OFF WILL BE AT THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD, THREE TIMBER ROAD SO THAT'S AGAIN, SEPTEMBER 2ND, FROM 11 TO SEVEN, FREE HAZARDOUS WASTE DROP OFF AT PUBLIC WORKS YARD.

COMMENTS ABOUT THE AMO CONFERENCE.

SAME COMMENTS AS I USUALLY HAVE FROM AMO IS NOT VERY MUCH FUN DOING THIS IN I GUESS A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT AS IT IS GOING TO AMO.

I'VE HAD ISSUE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR.

I DO FEEL THAT AMO IS VERY SOUTHERN ONTARIO CENTRIC, WHEREAS THE OGRA OR ROMA IS JUST MORE ABOUT RURAL HITS OUR COMMUNITY FAIRLY WELL.

SAME WITH [INAUDIBLE], BUT USUALLY AMO IS A GREAT, GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO RUB ELBOWS.

IF THAT'S THE TERM WITH VARIOUS MINISTERS, THEIR STAFF AND DOING IT VIRTUALLY, YOU CAN ONLY RUB YOUR ELBOW ON A LAPTOP SCREEN FOR SO LONG BEFORE YOU GET RUG BURN AND GET NOWHERE. SOME INTERESTING SPEECHES, GOOD SPEECHES.

I DO HAVE TO SAY I AM QUITE IMPRESSED WITH THE PREMIER OF ONTARIO AND SOME OF THE STEPS HE'S TAKEN FOR OUR PROVINCE.

HE HAS IMPRESSED ME. BUT AS FAR AS THE MINISTRY DELEGATIONS, AS COUNCILLOR FINAMORE ALLUDED TO, WE DID TALK TO THE MINISTRY OF MUNICIPAL AFFAIRS ABOUT A FEW SUBJECTS AND INCLUDING THE WHOLE INTEGRITY COMMISSIONER'S PROTOCOLS AND HOW THEY'VE KIND OF SLAPPED THIS ON US.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN WEAPONIZED.

IT COST THE TAXPAYERS A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY AND ESSENTIALLY MAYBE THEY SHOULD COME UP WITH THEIR OWN CODE OF CONDUCT.

THAT IS A STATIC ACROSS THE WHOLE PROVINCE.

AND THEY SHOULD RAMROD THE WHOLE CALL IN CENTER FOR COMPLAINTS AND EAT SOME OF THE COST WITH FINDING WHETHER IT'S FRIVOLOUS OR NOT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT FAIR THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE TO MUNICIPALITIES. AND I'M HEARING THAT FROM LEADERS OF MUNICIPALITIES ALL OVER THE PLACE, THAT IT'S A RIDICULOUS COST AND IT'S CREATED A MASSIVE DIVIDE BETWEEN SEATED COUNCILLORS THAT OTHERWISE WOULD NOT BE THERE AT THE BURDEN TO THE TAXPAYER AGAIN.

SO THAT WAS AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION.

I THINK I MAY HAVE LOST A BIT OF MY TEMPER WITH THE DISCUSSION WITH SPORTS, TOURISM AND CULTURE. VERY, VERY FRUSTRATING WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING TO THESE PEOPLE. AND I SAID THAT TOO THAT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF FUNDING IS DESIGNED FOR SOUTHERN ONTARIO.

WE PAY WE PAY TAXES, TOO, AND WE DO DESERVE SOME OF THAT FUNDING.

AND WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WEARING BLUE JACKETS OR THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A NORTHERN ONTARIO PAST PARRY SOUND, IT'S TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

AND IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING JOKE WITH NORTHERN MUNICIPALITY'S AT THESE CONFERENCES THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE WE ARE. AND THEY LITERALLY PROVED IT AND SAID, WELL, OUR MINISTER IS IN NORTHERN ONTARIO RIGHT NOW.

AND I SAID, WHERE? AND THEY SAID IN ELLIOT LAKE.

[01:30:01]

AND YOU'RE MINISTER'S NOT HERE.

WELL, SOMEWHERE IN THE NORTH, MAYBE ELK LAKE.

THAT'S NOT HELPFUL.

BUT, YEAH, THAT'S NOT VERY HELPFUL.

AND IT DOESN'T REALLY INSTILL CONFIDENCE IN YOU WHEN YOU'RE THERE.

SO I'M GOING TO SAY VERY, VERY FRUSTRATED WITH THAT MEETING, VERY POLITE PEOPLE.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER. OUR MEETING WITH THE MINISTER OF INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS IS VERY, VERY WELL RECEIVED, VERY GOOD COMMENTARY AND VERY HELPFUL INDIVIDUAL HAS PAID ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

HE WAS VERY, VERY HOPEFUL THAT THE CITY OF LAKE CAN CREATE PARTNERSHIPS WITH OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS AND VERY, VERY WILLING TO HELP US WITH THAT AND BE A SOUNDING BOARD. SO THAT WAS A VERY, VERY GOOD MEETING.

AND I DID APPRECIATE THAT.

COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT YOUR TAKE ON IT? THE ONLY THINK I'D LIKE TO SAY IS I WAS WRONG.

I CAME BACK LAST YEAR AFTER HAVING A VIRTUAL CONFERENCE WAS DISCUSSED AND I WAS ALL FOR IT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THAT OPINION WAS WRONG, THAT CERTAINLY, I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T GET ANY BENEFIT FROM THE VIRTUAL CONFERENCE.

I WAS INSULTED THAT THE MINISTER WAS ON A TOUR WHEN THAT FROM WHEREVER SHE WAS IN THE PROVINCE AND THESE WERE THE ZOOM MEETINGS, SO I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT SO LITTLE WAS THOUGHT OF US AND OUR DELEGATIONS THAT WE DIDN'T GET TO SPEAK TO ANY MINISTERS.

AND THAT SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORSE AND WORSE EVERY YEAR.

THERE WAS TIMES WHEN WE GOT ALL THE MINISTERS AND NOW WE CAN'T GET A MINISTER, SO I THINK THAT THAT'S A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS.

AND I DID APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE WILL COME OF THAT, I DON'T HAVE MUCH ABOUT THE OTHER DELEGATIONS THAT WE HAD.

I WILL ACTUALLY SAY, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I'VE MADE MORE CONTACTS, UNFORTUNATELY, IN THE DESIGNATED SMOKING AREA AT THE CONFERENCES WITH STAFF AS I'VE GOTTEN MORE BUSINESS CARDS, PHONE NUMBERS, INFORMATION.

SO WHEN YOU'RE NOT THERE IN PERSON TO MEET THESE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF YOUR 15 MINUTE HERDED WINDOW, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT.

HOPEFULLY, BY THIS TIME NEXT YEAR, WE'LL BE BACK TO IN-PERSON GATHERINGS AND IT WILL BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THAT BEING SAID IS THERE OTHER PIECES OF INFORMATION FOR COUNCIL'S REPORT BEFORE I HIT THE BIG TICKET ITEMS. OKAY SEEING NONE I'LL HIT THE BIG TICKET ITEMS. HYDRO ONE AUGUST 2020 $21,000.

THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE, AUGUST 2020 POLICING 250,950.

RECEIVE GENERAL 73,900.

AJ BUS LINES, ONTARIO NORTHLAND TRANSIT $30,000.

BEAMISH CONSTRUCTION VAC TRUCK STONE JULY 2020 LANDFILL.

[INAUDIBLE] HOLD BACK $47,000.

CASSELS BROCK AND BLACKWELL MUNICIPAL CONFLICTS.

PROFESSIONAL FEES UP TO JUNE 30TH SIXTEEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED.

[INAUDIBLE] WELDING GROOMER REPAIRS THIRTY SEVEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED.

GFL ENVIRONMENTAL JULY 2020.

SEPTIC SERVICE GARBAGE CONTRACT $39,000 [INAUDBLE] ENTERPRISE [INAUDIBLE] HEMLOCK PAYMENT CERTIFICATE $95,000.

NORTHERN SEALANTS INC.

ASPHALT CRACKED CEILING BYLAW 20-46 SEVENTY TWO THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED.

OMERS FORTY SIX THOUSAND 380.

AND THAT'S IT FOR THE BIG TICKET ITEMS FOR 08-2020.

ON THE SEALANTS PIECE, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION TO MR. HALLOCH IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, TO HAVE THE CRACK SEALED BEFORE PAINTED NEXT YEAR.

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. [LAUGHTER] YEAH.

YEAH QUESTION ON THE SEALANT. ARE THEY FINISHED IF YOU NOTICE ONTARIO AVENUE ISN'T COMPLETED? ON THE SEALANT OR IT HASN'T ALL BEEN SEALED.

THEY MISSED A FEW SPOTS. NOW IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE AREA THEY CHOOSE THAT WE ONLY GET THEY ONLY SEAL UP TO FORTY THOUSAND METERS AND TEN THOUSAND OF THAT IS OUT TO THE AIRPORT, SO

[01:35:01]

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. COULD COUNCIL GET A REPORT AS TO HOW MANY LINELL METERS IS LEFT TO BE DONE IF WE'RE PAYING FOR CRACK CEILING.

YEAH. CRACK CEILING IS A VERY COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO MAINTAIN ROADS SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PAVE THEM.

EITHER WE'VE GOT TO START REPLACING ROADWAYS OR WE'VE GOT TO SEAL THEM ALL.

I KNOW. CORRECT. BUT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THERE'S 30,000 DONE IN TOWN.

SO BETWEEN THE HIGHWAY AND WHAT WAS DONE AND 10,000 AT THE AIRPORT, IT'S COMPLETED FOR THIS YEAR.

THEN THEY MISSED SOME SPOTS. LIKE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH IS LEFT, HOW MUCH IS UNSEALED. OH, IF WE'RE UNDER BUDGETING THIS, WE'VE GOT TO CORRECT THE BUDGET OR WE'VE GOT TO BRING THESE PEOPLE BACK AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO FINISH DOING THE CEILING.

IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE DO.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE MENTIONED, WE'VE BEEN HARPED ON IN THE PAST AS THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HOW TO MAINTAIN YOUR ROADWAYS AND MAKE THEM LAST THROUGH THE WINTERS.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING DONE, DOESN'T HELP.

COUNCILLOR MANN. AND IF THERE'S AN ISSUE WE COULD POTENTIALLY PUT A MINOR VARIANCE IN TO ENSURE THAT THEY AT LEAST FINISH THE STREET THEY'RE WORKING ON.

I THINK THAT'S MORE OF THE ISSUE THAT I'M HEARING.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY GOT TO 90 PERCENT OF ONTARIO AVENUE AND SAID, WE'RE DONE, I THINK I'D RATHER HAVE THE ENTIRE STREET DONE AND THEN, OK, SAY, FINE, WE'RE OVER OUR LIMIT THEN.

BUT I THINK SOMETHING MAYBE FOR NEXT YEAR.

YEAH, WE'LL FURTHER DISCUSS THAT BECAUSE, YEAH, YOU'LL BE SURPRISED WHEN I GIVE YOU THE NUMBER OF PROBABLY HOW MUCH IS THERE.

OK, IS THERE ANY OTHER PIECES FOR THE COUNCIL'S REPORT FOR THIS EVENING? OKAY SEEING NONE.

NO ADDENDUM, INTRODUCTION CONSIDERATION OF BYLAWS.

[15. INTRODUCTION AND CONSIDERATION OF BY-LAWS]

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

IF NONE ALL IN FAVOR. AND THAT'S CARRIED.

FIFTEEN POINT TWO BY LAW, 20-59 BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE AN AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE PURCHASE OF SERVICE TRUCK FOR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

A MOVER PLEASE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR. SECOND, BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR. OK, THAT'S CARRIED.

FIFTEEN POINT THREE BY LAW, 20-60 BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE THE LEASE OF A PORTION OF SIDEWALK OWNED BY MUNICIPALITY.

MOVER, PLEASE.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

AGAIN, JUST FOR CLARITY. DO WE HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION AND EVERYTHING IS SIGNED AND WE'VE RECEIVED EVERYTHING? I TRUST IT.

STAFF, I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION.

I KNOW WE WERE HAVING A PROBLEM.

NO YES, WE'VE RECEIVED EVERYTHING.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

FIFTEEN POINT FOUR BY LAW, 20-61 BEING A BYLAW TO APPOINT MUNICIPAL LAW OFFICER FOR THE CITY OF ELLIOT LAKE.

CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVE BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

QUESTIONS QUALMS QUERIES.

COUNCILLOR MANN.

JUST THE QUESTION OF WHY THIS IS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, I THOUGHT THIS PERSON WAS WORKING AS A BYLAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

TO JANUARY 1ST. OK.

IF I MAY YOUR WORSHIP THROUGH YOU, IT WAS FOR ONE OF THE BYLAW OFFICER THAT WE CURRENTLY HIRED BACK IN APRIL, HE WASN'T APPOINTED TO ENFORCE ALL OF THE MUNICIPAL BYLAWS.

SO THIS WAY HERE, THIS IS JUST AN AMENDMENT THAT HE CAN ENFORCE ALL THE MUNICIPAL BYLAWS.

WHEN HE WAS HIRED AS A PART TIME, THERE WAS ONLY CERTAIN ONES THAT HE WAS ABLE TO ENFORCE AT THE TIME. THANK YOU. OK, AND OTHER QUESTIONS.

COUNCILLOR PATRIE. COME BACK, CHIEF.

IS THERE ANYTHING DETRIMENTAL TO THE MUNICIPALITY THAT IS GOING TO BE REMOVED FROM THE COURT OR IS THIS JUST HOUSEKEEPING AND WE'RE NOT IN TROUBLE FOR SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE PRIOR.

THROUGH YOU YOUR WORSHIP. NO, THERE IS NOTHING.

IT'S JUST HOUSEKEEPING. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

BY LAW 20-62 BEING A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE AN AGREEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE PROSPECTOR MONUMENT AT THE MINERS MEMORIAL PARK WAS JUST ASKING ABOUT THIS EARLIER.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR MANN.

[01:40:02]

SEEING NONE, I'M QUITE EXCITED TO SEE THIS GET INSTALLED, SO HOPEFULLY IT'S DONE BEFORE THE SNOW HITS, WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE OCTOBER 1ST THIS YEAR.

SO KNOCK ON WOOD.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU. FIFTEEN POINT SIX AND BYLAW 20-63 A BYLAW TO AUTHORIZE AN AGREEMENT WITH CALL 2 RECYCLE CANADA INC WITH RESPECT TO USE CONSUMER TYPE PORTABLE BATTERY RECYCLING.

A MOVER PLEASE.

MOVE BY COUNCILLOR CYR SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? SEEING NONE ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

THANK YOU, OKAY.

[16. PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD]

THE AUDIT FOR OUTDOOR SPACES MENTIONS ONLY INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT OFFICER, INCLUDING THIS PROPOSAL.

THERE'S NO MENTION THAT THE ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE, PROVINCIALLY LEGISLATIVE COMMITTEE HAD ANY REAL INPUT TO THE FINAL REPORT.

NOR DOES THERE APPEAR TO BE ANY ENDORSEMENT FROM THE ACC.

WE TOOK CARE OF THAT THIS EVENING WITH THE REFERRALS TO THE COMMITTEE.

IN ADDITION, THIS AUDIT DEALS EXCLUSIVELY WITH OUTDOOR SPACES WHEN MAY THE PUBLIC EXPECT A FULL AUDIT BEYOND JUST WHEELCHAIR ACCESS FOR ALL CITY OWNED OR AT LEAST BUILDINGS.

MR. GAGNON, I KIND OF RECALL HAVING A LOT OF THE INDOOR SPACES DONE.

THE INDOOR SPACES WERE ALREADY DONE AND PERHAPS MR. MOYER MISSED THAT COUNCIL MEETING, BUT THE INDOOR SPACES WERE DONE.

COUNCIL DID TAKE CARE OF THAT.

FOR AWHILE THE COMMITTEES AREN'T MEETING.

WE WILL PULL THE ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE AND DETERMINE THEIR ABILITY TO MEET, TO REVIEW THE DRAFT PLAN AND THE OUTDOOR SPACES.

AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DONE INSPECTING EITHER BECAUSE THE OUTDOOR SPACES WERE INSPECTED WHILE WE'RE IN THIS STRANGE PANDEMIC SUMMER.

AND BOTH, A LOT OF THE PLACES WERE CLOSED BECAUSE OF COVID AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THE ADEQUATE MAINTENANCE THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD DO, NOT GIVEN OURSELVES A TOTAL PASS.

I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE WOULD NORMALLY DO IN A SUMMER WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO IN THE SUMMER OF TWENTY TWENTY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

AND COUNCIL CYR.

YOU GOT AN ANSWER TO THIS ALSO.

WELL IT'S MORE, JUST A COMMENT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE PROBABLY HELPFUL SINCE WE DID REFER THE ITEM THAT AAC IF THE PERSON WHO WROTE THE REPORT TOOK THE TIME TO KIND OF CORRECT, ALL THE GRAMMAR ERRORS AND THE SPELLING MISTAKES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY PROFESSIONAL.

THE REPORT AS IT IS, IT LOOKS NICE, BUT WHEN YOU'RE READING IT, IT'S FILLED WITH ERRORS.

ERRORS. OK, THANK YOU.

OK, SO I'LL CONTINUE THIS QUESTION AND IF MR. MOYERS WATCHING, I'M SURE HE IS, IN ADDITION TO THE MULTI-YEAR ACCESSABILITY PLAN, APPEARS COLORFUL AND PRESENTS A HISTORY OF BARRIERS REMOVED UNDER PREVIOUS AAC.

BUT THE REST SEEMS TO POINT OUT OBVIOUS IDEALS WITH LITTLE DETAIL AS TO SPECIFICS, ESPECIALLY WHERE BUILDING ACCESS AND INTERIOR BARRIERS ARE IDENTIFIED OR POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. SINCE LARGE ITEM WITH THE MANDATE OF ALL AAC'S ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEES IS TO ADVISE COUNCIL UNIDENTIFIED ISSUES OR BARRIERS AND REVIEW ALL MUNICIPAL ACCESSIBILITY PLANS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT.

WHEN WAS THE AAC CONSULTED OR IDENTIFIED BARRIERS AND [INAUDIBLE] REVIEW THIS REPORT BEFORE THIS FINAL PRODUCTION.

AGAIN IT HAS NOT BEEN MR. MOYER. WILL BE REVIEWED IN THE NEAR FUTURE BY THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

IF INDEED THIS MEETING TOOK PLACE CAN MINUTES THEREFORE BE POSTED.

HAS NOT TAKEN PLACE YET.

BUT DEFINITELY THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE DID GO THROUGH THE INITIAL PROCESSES LAST FALL AND DID REQUEST THAT COME THE SPRING OF THIS YEAR, THE OUTDOOR SPACES BE TAKEN CARE OF AND THAT A NEW CITY PLAN ACCESSIBILITY PLAN BE PROVIDED JUST HAS NOT GONE TO THE ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE YET, SO THIS WAS FOLLOWING SUIT WITH WHAT WAS REQUESTED.

AND AGAIN, HIGHLY DUE TO THE PANDEMIC.

COUNCILLOR TURNER, AS THE CHAIR, YOU HAD A QUESTION OR COMMENT OR AN ANSWER.

JUST A POINT TO MAKE HERE, YOUR WORSHIP, THE ACCESSIBILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL NEVER REALLY BE FINISHED UNLESS SOMEHOW WE REACH A STATE OF PERFECTION.

[01:45:06]

SO THINGS WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR THAT WILL COME TO OUR ATTENTION WE WILL MAKE THINGS BETTER. WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM LOOKING FOR THINGS LIKE ADULT SIZED CHANGE TABLES TO GO IN OUR WASHROOMS. TO HEIGHTH OF THE ALARM BUTTONS IN BATHROOM STALLS AND THINGS THAT ASSIST PEOPLE WITH HEARING PROBLEMS OR COGNITIVE ISSUES, ACCESSIBILITY ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE WITH US FOREVER REALLY.

AND WE TRY AND ADDRESS THEM AS BEST WE CAN.

AND THE REALITY IS WE'RE AT THE STARTING STAGE NOW.

WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS, BUT WE'RE NOT DEFINITIVE ON EVERYTHING AND WE HAVEN'T RESOLVED AND SATISFIED EVERYTHING YET.

THERE'S LOTS MORE TO DO. BUT I'M HAPPY THAT THE COMMITTEE AND THE COUNCIL IS MOVING ON AND RECOGNIZING THAT ACCESSIBILITY IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE AND THAT THE COUNCIL'S SUPPORT OF APPRECIATE IT. COUNCILLOR PATRIE.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION TO THE CHAIR OF THE AAC, YOU STATE THAT YOUR WORK WON'T BE DONE FOR QUITE A WHILE. IT'S A MANDATED BOARD.

IT WON'T BE DONE UNTIL THE PROVINCE SAYS THAT IT'S DONE.

WE DON'T HAVE A SAY IN THAT WE MUST CONTINUE WITH THE ACCESSIBILITY COMMITTEE UNTIL THE PROVINCE TELLS US THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT COMMITTEE IT'S A MANDATED POSITION.

YEAH. OK.

SO THAT'S IT FOR PUBLIC QUESTION PERIOD.

[17. CLOSED SESSION (if applicable)]

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR PATRIE, SECOND BY COUNCILLOR TURNER.

QUESTION QUALMS QUERIES OKAY CALL FOR THE VOTE THEN.

OH, COUNCILLOR FINAMORE.

EVERYONE CAN HAVE THEIR PEE BREAK AND THEIR FRESH AIR BREAK.

SO THANK YOU FOR WATCHING.

HAVE A GOOD EVENING. NO WE CAN'T DO THAT CLOSED SESSION.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR TURNER SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE AND THAT IS TURNER AND PEARCE.

ALL IN FAVOR.

THAT'S CARRIED WE ARE NOW OUT OF CLOSED SESSION.

JUST DIRECTION TO STAFF AND WE'LL HAVE SOME GREAT STUFF COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

CONFIRMATORY BYLAW BEING A BYLAW TO CONFIRM THE PROCEEDINGS OF COUNCIL AT ITS MEETING OF

[18. CONFIRMATORY BY-LAW 112]

CAN I HAVE A MOVER, PLEASE? MOVED BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

SECOND BY COUNCILLOR PEARCE.

ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.

SEEING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

MOTION TO ADJOURN.

MOVED BY COUNCILLOR FINAMORE, SECONDED BY COUNCILLOR CYR.

ALL IN FAVOR. THAT'S CARRIED.

WE'RE NOW ADJOURNED. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.